The Cincinnati Reds picked up their 4th consecutive win on Monday night as they topped the Rays. Tonight they will look to make it five in a row as they play game two of their series against Tampa Bay. Tonight’s first pitch is scheduled for 6:40pm ET.
Starting Lineups
Cincinnati Reds | Tampa Bay Rays |
| Dane Myers – CF | Chandler Simpson – LF |
| Matt McLain – 2B | Junior Caminero – 3B |
| Elly De La Cruz – SS | Jonathan Aranda – 1B |
| Sal Stewart – 1B | Yandy Diaz – DH |
| Eugenio Suarez – DH | Jake Fraley – RF |
| Spencer Steer – LF | Cedric Mullins – CF |
| Tyler Stephenson – C | Richie Palacios – 2B |
| Rece Hinds – RF | Hunter Feduccia – C |
| Ke’Bryan Hayes – 3B | Taylor Walls – SS |
| Chase Burns – RHP | Steven Matz – LHP |
Starting Pitchers
| Pitcher | IP | ERA | WHIP | BB | K |
| Chase Burns | 22.1 | 2.42 | 1.08 | 9 | 22 |
| Steven Matz | 21.1 | 3.80 | 1.03 | 6 | 21 |
| Links: Chase Burns’ Stats | Steven Matz’s Stats | |||||
Chase Burns
In three of his four starts he’s been outstanding, allowing zero or one run in those starts. His outing on April 10th saw him allow five runs in 5.1 innings to the Angels. Despite his three strong starts, he has only picked up one win because the Reds have only scored six total runs across his four starts.
Over the limited action he’s had in his big league career the platoon splits against him have been large. Right-handed hitters have struggled to do much of anything against him. Left-handed hitters, though, have found plenty of success and teams send more lefties to the plate against him than they do righties. They are hitting for a solid average, they walk a lot, and they hit for plenty of power against him.
2025 Splits
| Split | PA | H | 2B | 3B | HR | BB | K | AVG | OBP | SLG |
| RHH | 129 | 24 | 5 | 1 | 2 | 5 | 43 | .194 | .225 | .298 |
| LHH | 147 | 32 | 8 | 0 | 6 | 20 | 46 | .254 | .356 | .460 |
Pitch Usage
| 4-Seam | Slider | Change | |
| Velo | 98.4 | 91.0 | 90.2 |
| Usage | 58% | 35% | 8% |
Steven Matz
The first start of the season wasn’t great as he allowed four runs in 5.0 innings against St. Louis in a game Tampa Bay won. Since then he’s allowed five total runs in 16.1 innings. The Rays have won each of those games, too.
A former start who turned into a reliever in 2024, the Rays have put Matz back into the rotation. That means that his splits are a lot less useful than they would be for a guy who had been starting. Still, he threw 55.0 innings last season and that’s not nothing. Lefties did very little against him despite making contact often. Right-handed hitters hit for a high average, but like lefties they almost never walk. Righties showed solid power against him.
2025 Splits
| Split | PA | H | 2B | 3B | HR | BB | K | AVG | OBP | SLG |
| RHH | 180 | 47 | 10 | 1 | 5 | 8 | 36 | .276 | .307 | .435 |
| LHH | 129 | 26 | 3 | 2 | 3 | 3 | 23 | .211 | .242 | .341 |
Pitch Usage
| 2-Seam | Curve | Slider | Change | |
| Velo | 93.9 | 78.9 | 84.1 | 83.5 |
| Usage | 46% | 11% | 12% | 30% |
When and Where
- Game time: 6:40pm ET
- Where: Tropicana Field
- Watch: Reds MLB Channel, Reds.tv (in-market), MLB.tv (out of market).
- Listen: 700 WLW AM (Cincinnati area)
- Forecast: They have a dome.
News and Notes
Updates on Nick Lodolo and Jose Trevino
Starting pitcher Nick Lodolo (blister) is close to a new rehab assignment while catcher Jose Trevino (back) could return to the active roster as soon as Wednesday. www.mlb.com/reds/news/ni… #reds
— Mark Sheldon (@msheldon.bsky.social) April 21, 2026 at 5:24 PM
Beating the winning clubs
From the Reds game notes today: The Reds own a Major League-best 12-2 record this season against opponents entering play with a .500 or better winning percentage (minimum 4 games).
Did you know?
Sal Stewart is tied with Elly De La Cruz for the team lead in stolen bases. Stewart, unlike De La Cruz, has not been caught stealing this season. The Reds rookie is currently leading the National League in home runs, runs batted in, slugging percentage, and OPS.
Division Standings
| Team | W | L | GB | Playoff Odds |
| Cincinnati | 15 | 8 | 0.0 | 26.7% |
| Chicago | 13 | 9 | 1.5 | 59.9% |
| St. Louis | 13 | 9 | 1.5 | 12.7% |
| Pittsburgh | 13 | 9 | 1.5 | 60.8% |
| Milwaukee | 12 | 9 | 2.0 | 43.7% |
| Playoff Odds via Fangraphs | ||||
“The Reds rookie is currently leading the National League in home runs, runs batted in, slugging percentage, and OPS.”
He’s 35th in BA @ .289. If he gets that up, which he is capable of doing, he’ll be going for the Triple Crown. Pretty cool.
Let’s win again.
It seems the Reds have a candidate to be a consistent .300 hitter.
Very strange that of all the 13-9 teams, Pittsburgh is given the best shot to make the playoffs (if just barely).
Also strange that their percentage is more than double the Reds’.
I believe that is the highest fan graphs had been all year. Fangraphs has never been a big fan of the Reds.
The Reds and Sabres!! Going to be a great night. Well I hope.
Reds and Lightning for me!
Go Reds and Go Avalanche!
Just about to turn the game on. Go A s
Make that Avs
Love watching Burns pitch and continue to mature on the mound.
Hoping Myers can do some damage in the leadoff spot.
Go reds!
Hey all you RLN junkies! Anybody else been to Tropicana Field? Let me know please!
I am going to make the 3-hour trip from my home on the northeast side Orlando for what will be a win and a 3-game sweep of the Rays!
Tomorrow afternoon’s game obviously!
Tell the pitchers not to walk guys.
That should help them.
That’s why he’s going.
Lmao
I was there yesterday. Nice park, for a dome. Lower attendance so access in and out was easier. The say the dome only has one layer as opposed to two on the prior one.
Lots of Reds fans out on Monday.
Trop is damaged from Hurricane 2 years ago. They play in Tampa at the Yankees AAA facility. Great atmosphere Attended yesterdays game
What game did you go to yesterday because the Reds and Rays are playing at Tropicana Field. We all watched it and it was not at the Yankees AAA facility, which is in Scranton, Pennsylvania.
Well, I have the Reds 8-2 against .500 or better mark teams, maybe the “minimum 4 games” that I don’t get it is the difference…
If I am not wrong Steven Matz always has pitched well against Reds through his career hope that won’t happen tonight…
I don’t remember if Reds were 7 games above .500 mark sometime last year…I know they had it during July 2003 …
I mean July 2023…
This is a big night for Hinds watching. His MLB career wRC+ versus right-handed pitching (71 PA) is 144 (100 = league average); but, his career wRC+ versus left-handed pitching (41 PA) is a beyond dismal -37.
Tonight, Tampa is starting an LHP, and Hinds is in the lineup. He needs to start improving this terrible reverse split.
The deck is already stacked against hinds by batting him in front of hayes,most likely will not get anything to hit
But KBH got a hit last night to raise his BA to a robust .071. I obviously agree with you on Hinds likely not seeing any good pitches to hit!
Hinds MLB career K rate versus LHP is 51%. In his defense, he faced several top-tier lefties when he was swamped last year and in 2024.
Now, he needs to run some counts like last night when he ran 3 full counts resulting in a K, a ground out, and an RBI double, and get the ball into play or draw a walk as first steps.
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While selfishly I wish Tito would flip Rece and Stephenson to give Rece a bit of help, at the end of the day it’s the big leagues and Rece has to make the adjustment and succeed. No excuses for who is behind him or anything else. I really hope he does because I really like to root for him.
We’ll see. But I bet that he’ll see breaking stuff, and he’d see that no matter who followed him in the order.
This is one of those games where I wish the Reds could have banked a couple of runs from last night! Burns hasn’t gotten a lot of run support, and the Reds are facing a tough lefty which has been their Kryptonite in seasons past!
As always, let’s score early and let Burns be great!
Go Reds! Just keep winning!
Jim i haven’t counted but I do believe he’s had several full counts in just a week,most of them would have been a walk had he not swung at balls,not defending him just see what I see
Hinds’ overall MLB K rate for 2026 is down to 35%. Considering how poorly he did in the series versus the Giants, that is good progress when it is factored in that over the last 3 games, he has driven in 5 runs and scored another run after reaching base, all in leverage situations.
It started with him seeing more pitches per PA, even if it took several games to show results. That’s how I see it.
I had it on mute … what did Geno say to Jim Day?
I faintly remember Matz giving the Reds some problems around 10 years ago when he pitched for the Mets. Seems like he should be older than 34. Hope they do better than they usually do against lefties.
Back when pitchers batted…
He had a bunch of hits against them I believe.
Settled in for the duration. Keep Jobu sober and the bats active, Boyz!
Terrible at bat McLain.
Great at bat Elly!
Maybe EDLC should bat all RH instead of all LH. haha Just kidding. Good job. 🙂
Elly oppo right handed
Smashed!
Wow. You don’t see oppo bombs in their dome that often. Looks like his issues batting righty might be over!
Smart Salbert Salvotto with another steal. 🙂
Great slide to make it happen.
Leads the team. haha
Let’s flip that run diff to the right side today.
Good start. Takes some discipline not to challenge some of those calls. But it is the 1st inning, so I say go with the strategy.
It’s interesting how Burns will handle this early lead… Should avoid to walk guys
Had to take the Reds today. 19 for 42 off Matz with this lineup coming in
This particular lineup is hitting .435 lifetime against Matz
SURPRISE!!!!
Somehow I knew he was going to hit that. Didn’t surprise me at all.
Hayes Homersss !!
and it’s Back to Back with Myers having one of his own !
Hayes, congrats!
Oppo homer by Hayesss…end of the world…
Ice Storm forecasted for Hades tonight!!
Woo woo!!!!
Hayes says “Hoe you like that?”
Lol “How”
Hayes with an opposite field HR? Keeps that up it’ll move the defense back. 🙂
Too bad the lead-off hitter follows KBH: imagine how well he’d hit if Sal followed him.
+1 haha
What the……..KBH goes yard!
3-8 with a HR coming in….that ought to buy til 2028
KBH hit a HR? Our KBH?
Love it Myers!
Back to back!
Speechless … 😮
Hayes is now 4-9 vs Matz
2 HRs
Reds home run derby tonight!!!
Can’t help but wonder how long Matz is going to last?
Myers is now 3-4 vs Matz
I hear a choir in the distance singing hallelujah.hallelujah
back-to-back !!
Starting to like our chances tonight. 🙂 This is starting to have a little bit of 1990 feel.
What’s next? An alien invasion?
Could it already be here? 😉
+5,000
alien invasion is here.
ai
Amen to that!
Chase is probably confused with this much run support. Time to take care of business.
Boy, Reds looking good. If they get more consistent Offense outside of the 3-5 hitters like tonight they could be really good, 90-95 type of win team I think.
In regards to GoldeBear above.
Matz MLB debut was 2015 vs the Reds
7.1 innings 2 ER
3-3 at the plate 4 RBIs
Great throw by Ty and tag by Elly.
Mullins just beat it.
Myers has done alot for his limited time so far. One walk-off and another late game-winner. Up to .382 obp now. Could be a more well rounded Phillip Ervin
He’s an asset.
Interesting comp with Ervin.
I’d forgotten about him.
You’re right, Meyers likely has more going for him.
You get a sende he’s playing for a job, which I never really got from PE, despite all the skills.
Jacob Brumfield came to my mind for some reason too!
Some pretty nasty sliders from Burns.
Fun to see opposing hitters flail at those for a change.
Nice recovery there Chase. Love the back to back strikeouts.
Tuesdays With Tito now in live game. haha
Has Chase popped 100 yet this year? Slider is so good that 97-98 is more then enough, but you’re talking Cy Young stuff with 100-101. Thats like DeGrom before he started getting hurt/old
Yes. He was 101 in his first start. 100 multiple times that game too.
While I still struggle with Sadek’s incessant hammering, I really like how the broadcast team feels more like part of the Reds team.
The halcyon days are here, good times abound, sowing now to reap later – sometimes regressing to the mean appears as dramatic improvement!
Matz is totally spread outside the strike zone
Oh Rece … if ever there was a moment.
And you get a shot at redemption … and everyone knew what he was throwing you.
yeah, that first fastball he took, then he just couldn’t lay off the same pitch, even w/ an extra strike.
He was too honorable to profit from the terrible call.
Just getting on board with Reds game. Woo hoo, great start!
How did Hayes’ HR look? Did it have good exit velocity as more of line drive? Hopefully, now this will be his hitting groove start! Obviously hit well enough to leave the park, but curious how quickly it exited.
One comment…. I would really like to see
Bleday up really soon and send Benson or Friedl down. Not sure which.
The Reds only have him on a one year
contract and I believe he could be positive help to the offense.
It was a hard hit line drive, not much height. Nice hitting by Hayes on that one. Matz serving it up a bit tonight with the Fastball.
Thanks Jeremiah, hoping to hear that!
TJ isn’t going down … possibly a trade but I doubt that very much.
Can’t remember if Benson has an option left.
Thanks Mark, on Hayes HR.
I will agree that TJ not likely to go down. I don’t know if Benson has any options left
either. I just want Bleday to get his chance to perform and he has certainly done well enough to merit a chance, especially if Benson or McClain still under perform.
Frankly, it was an opposite field line drive HR.
I hope it’s a sign of regression to mean.
Because BABIP has been mean to him.
Hinds wasted a pretty nice chance to open this game…He chased many pitches after Matz was obviously with no control
Terrible AB from Hinds. He has to get more patient. And start hitting the ball middle oppo rather than pulling everything.
Being a Hinds fan is pretty frustrating. Takes fastball down the middle for 0-1 then Ks on garbage offspeed….again. Be.ready.to.hit.the.ball. Look for location if you can’t guess right
Miserable, regressive AB for Hinds.
Last night he looked solid
One step up, one step back.
Stick with him for awhile.
Maybe swap him and McLain in the order?
This one not over yet. Would have been nice to get a few more runs last inning and I think it would have been about over. But hopefully Burns can have some quick innings.
Our general euphoria may have jinxed it.
But Burns may have undone the jinx. If we were a bit more lugubrious in our commenting, these jinxes wouldn’t be an issue.
Where’s that dictionary?
Power hitters coming up for the Reds here! Hayes, Myers
Burns has a high pitching count at 61 through 3 IP. Much traffic…
Burns looking good. Let’s get some more
Hit another homer, Hayes!
They’re pitching around him.
Sal would’ve tagged and went to 2nd. Smartest baserunner already
Watching McLain bat is about as exciting as getting a root canal.
Yeah. I like those, too.
Correction: Two root canals.
Even better.
Should’ve sent him down last year. Let him reset. Stewie 2nd Steer 1B and it gives Lowe some time. It also gets Bleday in the OF replacing Steer. Bleday has tremendous pop and can help us out
Absolutely should have sent him down. Give a chance to reset and work on things in a less pressure situation.
I’m all for Stewart sliding to play 2nd.
Before the month is over Hayes will have a better BA than McLain.
While we’re roasting Hinds and McLain, it’s worth noting that that was also a weak, weak AB from EDLC.
The guy can crush it, and other times just mail it in.
I agree, sometimes it looks like Elly is just kind of lollygagging at at-bats even after a really good at-bat.
Very nice inning Chase!
A quick inning by Burns…That was needed…
Just what Burns needed – get out of the inning with under 10 pitches.
Eight pitch inning for Burns. Needed it.
2 change ups from chase through 69 pitches. He really needs to show a third pitch.
He has an opportunity to practice it right here with a five-run lead.
Watching Sal foul off pitches reminds me of Joey.
Steer! Love it!
Rumors of Steer’s demise were premature.
What? Not RLN
Timed that one well …
Another 2-out run.
Spence is heating up over the last week.
OPS is now a respectable .722
On pace for 20+ homers again. Steer isnt going anywhere.
The homers arise today!
4 homeruns in 5 innings… this is not last years team.
Jax has good stuff, but he didn’t fool Steer.
Steer on track for another 20-25 Homer season. If he improves just a little Offensively this year would be big for the lineup.
Burns pitching with a nice pace and confidence tonight. DJ’s star pupil.
Chase, I’m signing up for this every 5 days all day long. Excellent inning again.
Steer is firmly in the average camp for OF so far this year. 2B is only .687 and 1B is listed .720-.740. Steer/Stewart would put the Reds ahead of schedule there. McLain needs to hit or go down. KBH contract wise will hang around, but I would consider platoon with Geno sliding over some. Lowe is a bat and so is Bleday. You could send McLain/MM down for Bleday/Arroyo too
McLain and Benson rather
Burns a couple pitch efficient innings to get back on pace for an outing. These young pitchers are getting it done. Give DJ credit.
DJ has been fantastic since he got to Cincy. He deserves a lot of credit.
2 change ups out of 9 that inning. If I knew all I had to do was ask nicely…….
It’s a really good pitch for him.
KBH’s OBP is skyrocketing tonight!
lol at walking him twice.
Last two pitches to Hayes were balls and called strikes, and still the Reds batters are not using the challenge … gotta get it right !
Ah, there was a challenge, and Hayes is now on first !
Time to sit Mr. Hinds for a game or two.
He’s up there swinging wild !
I think Nick Mart goes tomorrow and he doesn’t really have a good slider. Idk? Hines will test your patience. He could make a monk scream out
Good challenge did by Hayes…Good game by him
A McLain HIT! A HIT!
For those of us who watched 1990….this is starting to feel like April 1990.
Reds are en fuego!
33-12 first 45 games that season. 58-59 next 117 games. Then 8-2 in 10 postseason games.
I had similar thoughts today.
McLain comes thru with another dbl today … Reds put another run on the Board ! 6-0 and Elly at the plate with men on 2nd and 3rd.
And now Sal Stewart does more damage driving in 2, 9-0 Redlegs !
You’re not going to start doing your play-by-play thing again, are you?
Myers, genius!
Beautiful move, will be on the highlight rotation.
As it should be! That was beautiful to watch.
Beautiful avoiding the tag Myers!
Neo would be proud of that move by Myers.
How about KBH getting on with a challenge, then coming around to score. Happy for him.
He’s had a lot of bad luck so far. Also, he could’ve challenged the prior pitch too.
Methodical and effective like a good offense. Geno, Stephenson, and Hinds only ones left out. KBH dribbler last night got him going a little maybe
Would not have pitched to Sal with a base open. Glad they did
Stewart at 3-0, 1st base open, why pitch to him?
Offensive awakening.
Time to get EDLC out of the game for a break.
Wow, incredible athletic move by Myers. Feel a little bad for the Rays Catcher. Reminds me of playing junior high basketball when a more athletic player would just jump over me for a rebound.
So much for the jinx.
Never call a jinx over.
That’s a jinx in and of itself.
We’ve all seen the Reds blow 9 run leads before…..
I actually typed a retraction of my comment, saw that it was all caps and deleted it. But you’re right. I was in dangerous territory.
Where’s Melvin? Hinds not making us look good tonight.
I’ll take it with 9 runs scored though!
Giving up on him is not a good idea. He virtually always comes back stronger.
Time for you to call him and have another chat with him.
More pizza, Melvin.
There’s a Skyline in Clearwater!
Braves lost their closer Iglesias
Dodgers lost Diaz for months
Sonny gray to the IL
Phillies and Mets in free fall.
1990 Reds opened it up in April. Go 20-10 and blow this up early.
Former Reds Christian Roa and Casey Legumina DFAd today also.
1990 Reds were 18-6 after 24 games. 2026 Reds look to be 16-8 after the same number of games.
Arroyo 2-2 with a double & steal. Bleday 1-1 with a walk. Took Over 9.5 there too….5-0 Bats early
Hit or K….Hinds is their best defensive RFer so if the KBH rule applies they both are in the Reds lineup for many years
Same goes with McLain. He’s been given every opportunity so should Hinds.
KBH was best in MLB at his position in 2025 and 3rd most valuable defender (all positions) according to Statcast (OAA).
No other Reds player is anywhere near his league in terms of defensive value.
So your argument falls flat on that.
Looking good! Reds are now sitting at a +6 with RF vs. RA. Keep it going Reds!
Never would have guessed Tampa as the Reds’ best home-away-from-home crowd. It makes sense though.
Reds 7th in HRs in NL, and 6th in Walks. Maybe that’s where their strength lies this year Offensively.
I’m waiting for Invasion of the Body Snatchers to begin! When was the last time the Reds cored 9 runs?
Yikes, boy that looks like that would hurt Hinds getting hit like that.
I’m liking Myers in that lead off role.
Myers has walked three times tonight…
McLain with 2 hits! WOW!
Looks like a line drive in the box score …
Conga Line for 10 runs
Can you tell I benched Matty MC in my fantasy league.
As CTR noted, the jinx is still there, but the score is 11-2.
I know it’s counter-cultural, but two things can be true at the same time.
Thankfully, the bullpen has improved.
Hopefully, this is a sign of things to come for our offense.
The Rays are going to have a tired BP tomorrow.
The Rays had a tired BP coming into this series thanks to their 13-inning game against the Pirates on Saturday!
Stellar play Moll!
Lookie what I found!!!
Would Nicholas come for the rest of the game?
The Rays had a tired BP coming into this series thanks to their 13-inning game against the Pirates on Saturday!
Ten walks seem insane
Greetings from the Humungus — the Lord Humungus! The warrior of the wasteland, the ayatollah of rock and roll-ah!
The Reds are now Road Warriors. Who would’ve thunk it
Brewers ahead 12-1 8th
Cards ahead 5-1 8th
Cubs lead 1-0 5th
Pirates trail 1-2 5th
Incredible …
Off topic. OTD 1966 Cubs trade veteran SP Larry Jackson and Bob Buhl for young prospects OF Adolfo Phillips, P Ferguson Jenkins, and 1B John Herrnstein.
Buhl and Jackson were out of MLB by 1968. Ferguson Jenkins was on his way to HOF.
Baseball is a funny game …
Thanks for the trivia moment, OT.
Elly having 2-homer game!!
Again, right handed hitting Elly can hit!
Complete MOON SHOT!!!
Smart move to bat righty.
8 rbis from the 3 + 4 hitters.
Can’t recall last time I saw that.
Somebody here will remember.
Is Stewart helping EDLC see better pitches, as dreamed?
Rays send out a crash car dummy to pitch? Ok by me.
pitch efficient though
We lent them a pitcher to finish the game? B Williamson? Intramural rec league!
Buck Farmer not available?
Time to lower that ERA, Nicolas.
When’s the last time the Reds had their middle of the order hitters, De La Cruz, Stewart with these kind of stats? Maybe Bruce, Votto?
What a game, friends. I think I can safely shut down the laptop now.
We’ll see how much of tomorrow’s Titanic Battle I can catch with the sound on in my office.
I will be posting from Tropicana Field tomorrow afternoon as I am playing hooky from work and driving over from Orlando.
No you should be driving to Steinbrenner field where the AAA Yankees Play. Rays play there. No roof. Great atmosphere
Dennis are you posting from the year 2025? The Rays are playing at Tropicana Field. We have all watched the last two games in the dome.
Nicolas comes in with a 10-run lead and can’t throw strikes. Amazing.
3 walks 2 K’s. C’mon, kid.
Wow… 4 now…
Me no likey.
Holy cow, 5!
Yep! He’s not endearing himself to Tito or the pitching coach!
He’s certainly not endearing himself to you, Dennis. Lol
Remember: “Walks don’t matter!”
He still slots ahead of Mey and Maxwell, but with Ferguson and Lodolo to return soon, perhaps a little work in Louisville will be helpful. He had no spring training.
Yep! He’s not endearing himself to Tito or the pitching coach!
Incredible… Nicholas is going to prepare his suitcase and go to Iowa this week where the Bats are playnig…
Some seriously bad pitching there.
Wow, horrifically bad…
Finally!
That was an ugly bottom of the 9th.
Reds win! again.. 5th straight victory. The power exploded today… very good discipline taking many good at-bats resulting in 10 walks..
team is Red hot. amazing. so much fun. Go Reds!
And Elly is healthy and doing damage!!!
Not only did Nicolas walk 5 people, but the bloop double he didn’t back up home for the throw. I would be surprised if he is still with the team come Friday.
I’m glad someone else commented about the 9th inning walks! Every time I comment on walks by Reds pitchers I get scorched on this site!
Dennis you are not going to the strip tomorrow
Trop not strip.
Dont worry about it. I myself find it amusing and entertaining.
Yep. Melvin needs to drive him back to Louisville; no pizza, no ice cream either!