The Cincinnati Reds were busy on Sunday night, completing a trade that technically was announced after midnight and was officially a Monday deal. The Reds and San Francisco Giants got together to make a deal that brought outfielder Austin Slater to Cincinnati and saw left-handed reliever Alex Young get moved to the Giants organization. Cincinnati is also getting an undisclosed amount of cash in the deal. Slater is making $4,000,000 this year.

The Reds outfield is a bit of a mess right now. TJ Friedl and Nick Martini are both on the injured list, and Jake Fraley is on the family medical emergency list. Stuart Fairchild is on the active roster, but manager David Bell noted on Sunday that he’s dealing with a back issue.

Cincinnati seemed that they wanted to add some insurance for that by acquiring Austin Slater. From 2021-2023 he hit .257/.345/.412 for the Giants. That’s good for a 110 OPS. This season, though, hasn’t gone nearly as well. He missed nearly a month on the injured list. He was hitting just .128/.306/.128 through 25 games when he was placed on the IL due to a concussion.

He returned on June 5th and has hit a bit better – though it would be nearly impossible not to. His first seven games saw him go 9-22 (.409) with a home run. Since then he’s gone 4-29 (.138) with a double. Overall this season he’s had 90 at-bats and is hitting .200 with two extra-base hits. The 31-year-old right-handed hitter has never been known for his power, but he’s been entirely powerless this year. Defensively he’s got experience at all three outfield spots over the last few years and can cover you there. He will be a free agent after this season.

You can see the career stats for Austin Slater here.

Alex Young missed the start of the 2024 season. After his rehab assignment in Triple-A he joined the Reds in late May. He made three appearances, throwing 2.0 innings of shutout baseball before he was optioned to the minor leagues. He’s been good in Louisville this year, posting a 1.19 ERA in 22.2 innings with 12 hits allowed, seven walks, and had 22 strikeouts. Young is not eligible for free agency until after the 2026 season.

136 Responses

  1. Melvin

    Not exactly the kind of trade I was hoping for. 🙁 I kind of think there will be MANY who feel the same way. lol

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    • Jim Walker

      Fairchild must be about to join Friedl and Martini on the IL; and, Fraley perhaps taking through the ASB on Family Emergency leave.

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  2. Melvin

    Is it just me or did the Giants get the better end of this deal? smh lol

    I can hear the comments now. lol

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    • Redsvol

      Sure seems a lot to give up. They could have brought young up for a few weeks and showcased him to build his value. Young was caught up in the options game this year but he is a good reliever. Would have rather lost sims!

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      • Melvin

        “Would have rather lost sims!”

        Yes. Seems like even Sims would have been a lot to give up in this trade though.

    • MK

      Seems about equal. There must be something about Young we don’t know.I was surprised they felt a need to acquire Wilson while having Young. Depending on th amount of money, that might swing the deal the Reds way.

      Some of the catches banging into the wall must be taking an tole on Fairchild.

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  3. VegasRed

    Krall is out of his mind! Slater is no help and AlexYoung is a young promising lefty reliever who should be in Cincy instead of Wilson.

    If this is what Krall thinks is a good trade, a proven mlb outfielder.

    Yikes, this organization is clueless.

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    • VegasRed

      Meant to say if this trade is an example of Krall’s trading acumen, I hope he doesn’t make any more trades even though the reds need a proven mlb outfielder who can perform.

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    • Melvin

      At least his .200 ave. is 11 points higher than Benson and 17 points higher than Espinal. Technically it’s an upgrade. hahaha 😀 Ooooooh Booooy.

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    • CI3J

      Alex Young is, in fact, not that young.

      He will be 31 on September 9th. That’s statistically on the tail end of the “prime” years for an MLB player.

      Granted, I think Young still has a few more good seasons in him. I’d rather the Reds had kept him and/or packaged him for something better than this. But maybe they think Slater needed a change of scenery.

      That said, Slater will be 32 in December. He has shown virtually no power and no speed. The one good thing you can say about him is he does get on base and doesn’t strike out much.

      Statistically, Slater is a little better than a league-average hitter. That is, if he can rediscover his form from the past 5 seasons. It’s not really clear that he’s going to be much of an upgrade over Stuart Fairchild, if at all.

      So overall, I don’t think this will move the needle much. It’s pretty much a “meh” trade, and I wouldn’t have done it were I in Krall’s position.

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      • Tom Diesman

        Re: “Alex Young is, in fact, not that young.”

        You are correct. In fact, Slater is only 10 months older than Young.

        Does that make Slater a “young promising” OF? LOL

    • Woodrow

      I think he’s young at 30, but … not sure that qualifies Young as young in baseball terms.

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    • Steve

      They have been clueless for years. My sister’s kids could lead this team better

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  4. Melvin

    The thing that blows my mind is that we gave up a pretty good leftie. It would seem we could have held on to him and use him in part of a package to acquire someone A LOT better.

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    • Melvin

      “Alex Young missed the start of the 2024 season. After his rehab assignment in Triple-A he joined the Reds in late May. He made three appearances, throwing 2.0 innings of shutout baseball before he was optioned to the minor leagues. He’s been good in Louisville this year, posting a 1.19 ERA in 22.2 innings with 12 hits allowed, seven walks, and had 22 strikeouts. Young is not eligible for free agency until after the 2026 season.”

      Unbelievable

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      • JB

        I’m thinking other teams GMs must love seeing that phone ring and knowing it’s the Reds. Krall is saving other GMs jobs continuously.

      • Earmbrister

        Yeah, “ Unbelievable”.

        Young gave up four hits in those two MLB “shutout” innings. A WHIP of 2.000 is far from impressive. Yeah, small sample size but you chose to highlight it.

        Young is an average reliever at best who is home run prone. His MLB ERA is 4.40 and his FIP is 5.04. The Giants optioned Young to AAA after the trade, which is seemingly where he belongs.

        The Reds gave up very little to get a lottery ticket RH OF bat. Nothing to get too excited about in either direction.

      • Votto4life

        Curious why you view Austin Slater as a “Lottery ticket” He is 31 years old.

    • earmbrister

      Perhaps my use of the term “lottery ticket” is not as it is generally used. My feeling is that trading an average-ish reliever for a veteran RH OFr, who is experiencing a down year, is a low risk/high reward bet.

      Slater’s OPS+s over the past several seasons are 151/101/121/108/72. Is the 72 OPS+ in 43 games an outlier, or the result of the accumulated injuries over time? He has performed well in the past as a RH platoon OFr, despite the many injuries.

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      • Steve

        Omg! This guy is analytical much like this so called manager we have. That doesn’t win games. Just use common sense. Common sense is nothing Bell has…

      • Daytonnati

        Well, considering the odds of actually winning the lottery, it was probably closer to the truth than not 🙂

  5. Frankie Tomatoes

    Once again the Reds seem to be diving in the dumpster and hoping to find something that is broken that they can fix instead of just walking into the store and paying for something with much better odds of working. Austin Slater is hitting worse than anyone on the Reds team right now and there are not many guys hitting. The best thing you can say about him is that he’s not dead and won’t have to be crossed off of Rachael Phelps list of players invited to camp.

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    • Melvin

      “Once again the Reds seem to be diving in the dumpster and hoping to find something that is broken that they can fix instead of just walking into the store and paying for something with much better odds of working”

      Krall & Co. have much confidence in the duct tape they have invested in. 😉 😀 Besides, they got some “cash back” too. 😉

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      • JB

        Bob loves those cash back trades. Seems like the Reds do a lot of those cash consideration or cash back trades. Flea market Bob trades.

    • Tom Diesman

      Re: “Once again the Reds seem to be diving in the dumpster….”

      Who’d have thought? You can find proven league average MLB OFs in a dumpster. LOL

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  6. AMDG

    When you are not a playoff contending team, your trades are usually supposed to be ones that build you for future success.

    Trading for a lite-hitting 31-year old outfielder does not accomplish that in any way.

    I get that the Reds don’t have some injuries, and don’t have a single quality OF prospect in AAA or AA, but, if they are just looking for a warm body to fill out a roster spot, they had other options.

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  7. JB

    There is our trade. Slater fits right in with Kralls past trades of Brian Goodwin, Bader, Renfroe and my personal favorite Astrubal Cabrera. Slater should fit nicely in with the rest of the non hitters at the bottom of the lineup. Knowing Bell he will have him at leadoff. Definitely watching tonight’s game now.

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    • Votto4life

      Astrubal Cabrera is also my personal favorite. Seems like he played for a month before getting his first hit.

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    • Tom Diesman

      Re: “There is our trade. Slater fits right in with Kralls past trades of Brian Goodwin, Bader, Renfroe and my personal favorite Astrubal Cabrera.”

      LOL! Can you run down what we gave up in those “trades”? Or I guess I should say trade, since the other three were waiver claims.

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      • JB

        Missing the point. It’s not about waiver claims or trades for crap, it’s they never go big. They go small and they get clowns like you who are along for the ride.

    • Rob

      Some of our favorites would greatly help this team right now. I am thinking of Newman, Pham, and Drury. They cost money – probably $5-10M each – but they are much better than Jordan, Soto, Dunn, Hurtubise, Rios, and the other Louisvillians. No, I am not recommending these moves. We need a couple of tiers above that. Just sayin that in moving away from thse dudes, we are playing lesser players for whatever reason. I dont know the master game plan here but I do know that we are no longer a rebuilding team but a team that is aiming to contend now. The core of our team is in place, AAA is a wasteland, and 2025 is going to need the missing pieces just like this year. Why would you not trade for them now? There is minimum risk that players like Bellinger or Guererro are going to somehow lose value after they become Reds. In all liklihood, in 2025 or 2026, you would get a similar package to what you gave up.

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    • Dewey Roberts

      JB, are you old enough to remember when the Reds in the 60’s and 70’s traded for starters that were close to the best players at their positions? Now, we just trade for a bag of chips,

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  8. Michael Wilson

    What did the Reds have against Alex Young? He pitched well all season yet the Reds preferred Wilson over Young. Reds settle for temporary help in the OF. Surely there is someone available out there that could move the needle at least a little bit.

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    • Michael Wilson

      Young had trade value. The contenders will be shopping for bullpen depth especially from the left side. Desperation move by Reds.

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  9. Rob

    This is not much more than dumpster diving but I think there is a signal here. Outfield depth between here and Louisville must be at its limits of sanity. Fairchild and Martini recently scrubbed and Fraley in limbo. Friedl? And Dunn, Rios, Wynn, and Soto to the rescue. A couple of those guys might qualify as Louisville second string. We dealt from a position of strength (good bullpen arm but temporarily relegated to Louisville) to get an emergency position of need. Slater has started for the Giants as their leadoff hitter in previous years. When healthy, he is probably of the equivalent of Fairchild and better than the Louisville crowd. Is he healthy enough to hit 230-240 and be a regular outfielder until the dust settles? I think that is what we are hoping. Dunn, Hurtubise, Jordan, Soto, Capel, et al have not done the job and try out camp has run its course. Slater doesnt come close to addressing our need for bigger bats but provides a cheap fill in for a few weeks. That is all this is.

    On a sidenote, I was happy to hear Larkin say yesterday that the players are more frustrated than the fans. Good! If Larkin is seeing and recognizing this, then Bell and Krall certainly do. And things are not all in happy land in the Reds clubhouse. The next stage is lesser efforts and requests for a trade. Probably not so good because of the youth of our team. We have young talent and a team that is being held back by under performers, a few injuries, and management’s reluctance to provide the necessary missing pieces. Not taking management’s side but alot of improvements were made this past winter toward getting the team to greater than 82 wins. But because of injuries and underperformance, more improvements are needed now, or a year (or 2) of young talent is going to be wasted. No guarantees but Krall absolutely has to take a shot at getting significantly better offensive players in here.

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    • MuddyCleats

      Yes; why not bring one of the young guys back and then work on a solid trade of value?? IMO, Reds could use help at C, 1B, SP, RP & of course OF.

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  10. Rob

    No, we did not win this trade but we addressed an emergency need to stop the bleeding. That is OK. Isnt it close to time to hit the panic button and not care so much about the trade itself? We can resign ourselves to being an underachieving 500ish team or we can add the necessary pieces to accomplish what we set out to accomplish. Contending for the playoffs. This move doesnt address our needs but it stops the bleeding.

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  11. jessecuster44

    Instead of trading when there is an emergency need, a trade should have happened in May/June, when the OF was thin and underperforming.

    and honestly, trade for someone GOOD. yes, you’d have to give up a prospect or two. The idea is to WIN.

    Krall is a buffoon.

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  12. TR

    Will Austin Slater help to jolt the Reds offense here in the last half of the season? If there’s any chance for an expanded playoff, the Reds have to hold it at 6 under, and move up.

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  13. old-school

    This is more opportunities for platoon handedness against lefties to partner with Fraley and Benson when they sit.
    Wonderful.

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    • Michael Wilson

      Exactly. Hope Slater is ok with being pinch hit for in the 4th/5th inning.

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  14. VaRedsFan

    This is like putting a band-aid on a massive leak in the Hoover Dam.

    Acquire a player that will not only help now, but can help in future years.

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  15. MBS

    Well, I typically like movement, I can’t say I’m a big fan of what we got back. IDK if this guy could even edge out Fairchild for the 13th man if the roster was healthy.

    The good thing is we made a move from where we should make a move from, our bullpen depth, I would have rather found a deal using Wilson, but he probably wouldn’t have even brought Slater back.

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  16. LDS

    The Reds won’t miss Young. They still have Wilson, who despite being lousy is still on the 26. And we don’t know how much cash that SF is sending, which tells you everything you need to know about this trade. The Giants are sending Slater and cash for Young. As for Slater, he’s strictly a platoon player, injury prone, nearly 32 and on the downside of his career, no power, hitting .200, but he has position flexibility. In other words, another Bell dream. The Reds aren’t serious about winning. Slater is not an every day starting OF. It’s just window dressing. Oh, and cash in the pocket.

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  17. Roger Garrett

    As Old-school said he just becomes another platoon guy.Bell loves this kind of player cause he is a veteran.Heck if we can bring a guy off the street and hit him 4th or bring a guy that is still in spring training mode and hit him 5th or continue to play Benson at all then I can’t wait to see what happens with Slater.Good grief.How bad is it going to get.For me I just go with Dunn or Soto or bring back Jordan cause if for no other reason they are younger.Throwing these guys along with Capel under the bus after a handful of at bats is insane.

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  18. Chad A Donnell

    The Titanic has hit the iceberg folks. Please locate your nearest floatation device and wait for the USS Bengals to come and fish you out.

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  19. DW

    What a dumb trade. Always sifting through other teams’ trash bins. What kind of value would Young have had if they waited until the trade deadline? Every trade deadline there are teams looking for left handed bullpen help. I would much rather have seen Young be part of a trade package with some of our good prospects to get a right handed hitting outfielder that is actually good and part of the future of this team. Slater may help some now, and I hope he does, but the Giants have to be pretty dang happy with this deal.

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  20. Grover

    Small loss, even smaller gain. They could have just brought up any warm body from the farm system and achieved the same result. This year is pretty much baked in. I know everyone pointed out what an easy stretch the Reds had leading to the all-star game but so far the net result is that they have lost even more ground in the WC standings. Time to pack it in, not because how far they are back but because you can just look at the roster and see this team will not be going on any sustained winning streak.

    If Marte had come off suspension firing on all cylinders maybe the Reds hang in till better health arrives. But he has been horrible. Time to retool for next year but this year leaves the Reds with more questions than they had last year. Injuries and poor performance mean only Elly, Steer, and Stevenson are clearly a part of the future. The farm doesn’t look much better with any help years away. The only bright spot is the starting rotation. The Reds should be sellers big time, the rebuild continues and everyone except Elly and the 3 young starters should be available for the right price. We should have sold some of the prospects last year for hitting help but now that they have regressed they don’t have nearly the same value especially Conor Phillips and Chase Petty. I know everyone will now be saying now that Rhett Lowder is untouchable, I’d trade him in a heartbeat if the right offer comes along.

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  21. Kevin H

    My last comment was sarcasm. Not surprised by the comments. Also not surprised by the organization making a trade of this caliber. I will take the wait and see approach before judging. In the long run it truly doesn’t matter. LOL

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  22. west larry

    What a insignificant move. I guess we needed more depth of outfielders who hit about .200. On a more concerning note, the reds are gaining ground on the cubs for the central basement,

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    • Melvin

      We now have another platoon partner against LH pitching hitting at or below .200 to fit our platoon partner (Benson) against RH pitching hitting at or below .200. Exciting. To acquire this great player we gave up a decent LH pitcher (which are always valuable) who had options left and doesn’t become a free agent until after 2026. Makes one just “tickled pink” to think about it. But hey, we got cash back too. Hard to pass up a deal like that. So much for finding a non platoon like player. To use a quote from The Natural, “Losing is a disease”. 😉

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      • Kevin H

        Your post make me laugh, in a good way mind you.

  23. BuzzKutter

    Just a little reality check. Those highly sought after trade targets will not land in Cincy. This is what we can anticipate. If they don’t go on a winning streak here; Candy, Indy, Montas and possibly a few relievers will be gone.

    Press release will say “Krall tried to help the struggling Reds by adding an experienced bat but with the injuries, building for the future was his priority”.

    Hopefully I am wrong and AC comes in here, tears it up, and the Reds crank off 7 wins in a row.

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  24. west larry

    I was a dope for getting my hopes up that the reds would contend. LDS writes the same glass half empty narrative every ear, and he is right again!

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    • LDS

      Sadly, I wish I was wrong. But, doing nothing last year at trade deadline, except extending Bell, pretty told me that nothing was going to change.

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  25. Votto4life

    I was reading MLBTR Chat last night before the trade. Someone ask the moderator Mark P. Who had the most trade value Yaz or Slater below is his response.

    “ Yaz has more value since he has an extra year of control and he has more defensive utility. For these same reasons I’d argue that the Giants should probably hang onto him since he’s a useful player to have on a roster, if not necessarily as an everyday-ish type guy.

    Slater is a rental player having a rough season, so his value is pretty limited.”

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  26. Mark A Verticchio

    Despite the move, I look for a 4 and 3 week, at the best, a 2 and 5 would not surprise me. After the post break Washington series they would have played 100 games. I was hoping for 50 and 50 before the Detroit series. The way they looked this weekend I see 46 and 54 at best.

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  27. MK

    In Young we are not talking about Billy Wagner. He is a AAA 31 year old pitcher. Every team in baseball had a shot at him in offseason before last year as Reds signed him to a minor league contract.

    Does anybody believe that Krall and Meador didn’t try to get more and this was the best they could do?

    They got a major league ready outfielder to probably platoon with Benson, and balances the roster a little better.

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    • Doug Gray

      I don’t know if they didn’t try to get more – but they could have if they wanted to (maybe not for Alex Young, but he is not the only guy they were allowed to trade).

      And I’d argue that right now, Slater sure isn’t playing like he’s Major League ready. This season he’s played like a guy who might be Double-A ready.

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      • Roger Garrett

        100% correct and both points outline where this organization truly is.You have to give to get and in this case they gave a guy in the minors and was sent there by the Giants and got a guy that should be in the minors.I guess maybe the cash was the deal maker.

      • Tom Diesman

        Re: “And I’d argue that right now, Slater sure isn’t playing like he’s Major League ready. This season he’s played like a guy who might be Double-A ready.”

        Are you implying that he’s still hurt and/or that you believe his latest 112 PA is now his new level of production and we should ignore the previous 1486 PAs?

      • Doug Gray

        I’m arguing that in 2024 he’s played like a guy who is probably more suitable for Double-A.

        I don’t know if he’s hurt or not (he hit poorly before his concussion this year, and he’s hit poorly after he came back from it, too).

        Maybe he turns things around. But right this second he’s been hitting like a guy who might belong in Double-A.

      • earmbrister

        Doug, are you being entirely fair when you say “(he hit poorly before his concussion this year, and he’s hit poorly after he came back from it, too)”?

        Slater’s stats:

        3/29-5/10: .128/.306/.128/.434

        6/5-7/7: .255/.349/.333/.683

        The stats since his return are hardly bad and are hardly “Double-A ready”. He’s just back from a concussion that sidelined him for nearly a month (while the early season numbers may have been a result of his off season elbow surgery). We are talking about a relatively small sample of 63 PAs since his return, the numbers are decent, and the man has performed well in the past.

        I see it as a low cost/high potential reward move. And this move hardly precludes any other move that might present itself to get a RH OF bat.

      • Doug Gray

        earmbrister – he’s hitting .138 with a double over the last three weeks. He hit really well for one week when he returned, which is boosting that “since he came back” side of things.

      • Tom Diesman

        @earmbrister

        Well stated. Thanks for the morsel of sanity on this site.

      • earmbrister

        C’mon Doug. You’re slicing and dicing stats to find a bad stat line. Why would you exclude his stats from June 5th to June 16th? Hey, why don’t you use his stats for the week beginning June 18th and say he is a .091 batter?

        You exclude his good games since his return from a concussion to say he’s performed poorly since his return. Most players are streaky and have good stretches and bad ones.

      • Doug Gray

        He’s had one good stretch this year that lasted a week. And let’s be real – we don’t need to slice and dice anything. He’s been really bad this year. It’s why he was available for a 30-year-old reliever in Triple-A.

      • Melvin

        I would say a slumping player having a bad year on this team is NOT what we need. We’ve got enough of them already. To give up a decent LH reliever to get another one doesn’t make much sense to me.

      • Melvin

        Last 7 games – .136/.192/.182

        Last 15 games – .233/.333/.326

        Last 30 games – .213/.333/.267

        2024 – .200/.330/.574

      • earmbrister

        Melvin, you’re dabbling in small sample sizes. Slater has YEARS of production but you want to hang your hat on 112 plate appearances this year. Candelario started this season on a stone cold streak. To compare:

        Slater 112 PAs: .200/.330./574

        Candel 113 PAs: .190/.274/.634

        Thankfully, the naysayers were wrong about Candelario – he just needed some time to hit his way out of his slump.

        As MLBTR reported: “… Slater took to the increased responsibilities quite well, and between the 2020 and 2023 seasons the lefty masher hit a solid .259/.352/.421 (118 wRC+).

        That line goes from solid to sensational when looking exclusively at his production against southpaws, against whom he mashed to the tune of a .285/.380/.486 line with a wRC+ of 141. That production against left-handed pitching was good for 17th-best in baseball during that four year period”.

        We’ll see about Slater, but I doubt that the man has forgotten how to hit. See Winker, Jesse. And Slater is still getting on base as evidenced by his .330 OBP (.344 career), which compares favorably to the Reds team OBP of .301 (and Benson’s .275, or Fairchild’s .298).

        Trading Alex Young (of AAA fame) is but a small cost in an effort to improve the OF production. The Reds SHOULD BE churning the bottom of the OF roster.

      • Melvin

        “I don’t know if they didn’t try to get more – but they could have if they wanted to (maybe not for Alex Young, but he is not the only guy they were allowed to trade).”

        I agree with this statement from Doug. I think that is the biggest reason why some, including me, are not happy with this trade. It’s a “comfortable” trade. It would seem Krall & Co. are scared to death to take any real risks to improve this team.

      • Melvin

        @earmbrister – I’m saying he’s hitting very poorly this year and having a bad year and at this point that’s all that matters. I’d rather have a guy who’s had a poor career who’s hitting well this year than a guy like Slater who’s had a decent career and having a bad year. We need help NOW.

      • earmbrister

        And Melvin, I’ll take the guy whose production against left-handed pitching was good for 17th-best in baseball during that four year period that ended last season, and who just needs to get healthy or a change in scenary.

        A hitter who has had a poor career is also known as a poor hitter (even if he has a lucky streak that could end at any time).

      • Melvin

        @earmbrister – It’s a done deal so I hope you’re right. And for me I’ll take anybody who’s hot at this point. I don’t care what their track record is. It’s to the point in the season when we can’t afford to wait for someone to come out of his slump. It’s going to be too late very soon.

    • Melvin

      Nothing against you personally but if you mean hitting around .200 from one side and around .200 from the other side I guess that means balance. We’ve got another platoon partner for a guy who arguably shouldn’t even be on the 26 man roster. Maybe I just have a bad attitude about this trade. 😀

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  28. Mauired

    I know Hinds is not having a great year at Louisville but still seems like a much better option than Slater. This seems reminiscent of the Bader/Renfroe pickups but at least they didn’t give up any players for them. I would not be surprised if they end up putting Slater on release waivers for someone to pickup Slater’s in August.

    Young was a solid piece with a few more years of control. That’s a lot to give away for Slater who looked like a candidate to be designated for assignment.

    Still surprised they didn’t see that signing Winker to a minor league deal would be a good move. How much could he have helped the outfield/DH situation. .800 ops 10 homers/14 steals. Oh well this can’t turn out as bad as Hoffman. Reds just cut him after a decent year and now he’s an all-star reliever with Philly with his 1ERA.

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    • Randoxu1

      I’ve mentioned for weeks that they could get Winker for the same deal they just made. He’s a free agent at the end of the year and he’s not a platoon player hitting 200. He would take Bensons place as the full time outfielder but most people on here are so against it so this is the kind of player we get instead, same as the other 3 ofs on this roster. Pitiful

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      • Jim Walker

        Slater’s career numbers do not suggest he is strictly a platoon guy. His career OPS+ is 104 in 1598PAs. He has 726PAs vs RHP and 872 vs LHP.

        His career OPS+ is 104. His batting vs RHP OPS line is .317/.338/.655 and his batting vs LHP OPS line is .367/.437.804

  29. west larry

    If the reds sign any more bottom feeders, they should change their nickname to Catfish.

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  30. west larry

    Change in topic- mlb rumors is suggesting the marlins will trade Jazz Chasholm Jr – I’d love the reds to trade for him!

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    • jessecuster44

      They should have trade for Jazz in MAY. Any yes, give up prospects.

      You have to overpay these days to get something.

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      • CI3J

        I’m actually not all that impressed with Jazz. Despite the hype of him being a 20/20 player, he still rates as about a league average hitter.

        His asking price would probably be too high for what he brings to the table.

      • Rob

        Jesse, I am on the same page. If you want something of value then you are going to have to “pay” for it. In this case, we have as much to offer as other teams chasing the same guy. Called prospects when you are talking a non contender. Doesnt mean we have to trade our top 3 prospects (Marte, Lawler, and Arroyo) but maybe 1 of the 3 and another 1-2 top 15 guys. I would guess Phillips or Williamson would interest Miami as one of the 2.

        Jazz isnt my favorite but would have a good fit on the Reds with his speed, versatility, and pop. Plays CF and 2B with a good arm. What I dont get is the “overpay” stuff. That is Krall lingo for doing nothing. Chisom has a trade value which is more than Tommy Pham but less than Vlad Guerrerro. We certainly can afford him or Vlad or Bellinger. Take your pick. Go cheap and chase Tommy Pham. Get the guy we need and subtract a couple top 15 guys and a strong throw in like Williamson. Done. We traded Castillo for 2 of Seattles top 5 prospects (Marte and Arroyo). I would say Castillo is closer to Vlad than Jazz.

        We will need the same adds in 2025 that we need today. That to me says we are not in the rental market. Then again, the 3 month rental will come a heck of alot cheaper (less prospects) than the 2-3 year guy.

        It will be interesting to see who is committed to making a run in the next couple of weeks. Who will be trading prospects and who will be chasing a missing piece or two? The Rockies and Marlins are easy calls. What about the Pirates, Cards, Mets, and Nats? They are in the midst of rebuilds. Seriously, would they short circuit a rebuild and trade prospects for talent? Or can the Goldsmiths, Contreas, Thomas, Lindor, etc. be had for prospects in return?

    • Melvin

      Me too. Considering Krall & Co. I’d have to say “Good luck with that”.

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  31. Laredo Slider

    Reds play in a band box park so they naturally trade for a singles hitter. Smart.

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  32. TJ

    Giants thought so much of Young he’s been assigned to AAA

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    • Melvin

      He has options left, which most of the Reds relievers don’t. Putting him in AAA while figuring out their roster is not unwise in my view. It doesn’t mean he’s not valuable.

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    • Mauired

      That doesn’t change the fact they got something for nothing

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    • Brian

      He has options, that’s great if there’s an injury in the bullpen. Watch that now happen to the Reds. It also has value for late trades. The Giants may have even added him just for a future add on trade piece. There will be a team in need of a serviceable LH reliever that is still in the playoff chase. It could possibly even be the Reds, wouldn’t that be poetic.

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  33. Optimist

    Could work, may not, extremely unlikely to matter at all.

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  34. Jim Walker

    Is this a situation changing deal for the Reds? Most likely not. However, they got an OF with a career 104 OPS+ in ~1600 PAs. driven by a career .344 OBP. Even with Slater’s poor numbers this season, his OBP has hung in at .330. His K Rate this season is +5% to the MLB 2024 average, but his BB rate is +6% to the MLB 2024 average. What OF on the team (including the injured guys) has clearly done better in 2024 at reaching base?

    As far as platooning, something really strange has gone on with Slayer this season. He has severe reverse splits which are not reflected in his career numbers. In 2024, his OPS vs RH pitching is .884 in 27PAs while his OPS vs LHP is just .480 in 85PAs. His career OPS numbers are .655 vs RHP (726PA) and .804 vs LHP (872PA).

    It will be interesting to see how Bell uses him and how he does.

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    • Tom Diesman

      @Jim Walker

      Thanks for another well reasoned post on this trade. Also of note is that his career OBP vs RH is a not terrible .317.

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    • Daytonnati

      “Slayer” could be a cool nickname if he works outs 🙂

      I am reminded of Hunter Renfroe and Harrison Bader.

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      • BuzzKutter

        Bader hitting .274 and playing a pretty good CF for the Mets.

    • Brian

      There’s a few of you guys here that seem to like this deal. One of the reasons that his career numbers have less meaning to me is that he has been on the IL 7 times in the last 3 years and has had multiple concussions. I hope the guy does well. I just doubt it. It feels like the Giants made an injury dump to a desperate and ignorant team.

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    • Mauired

      Well if he has reverse splits, he will NEVER workout on this team. That doesn’t compute in Bell’s little brain. Remember when Mike Ford had reverse splits and he didn’t get one at bat against same side pitching.

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  35. BuzzKutter

    I hope AC gets in town soon enough so they can get him up to speed on the game plan.

    At all cost make sure to get yourself down in the count 0-2 or 1-2. That means to take meatballs or swing at sliders in the dirt early in the count.

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    • Melvin

      Don’t forget to swing as hard as you can on every pitch no matter what the situation. 😉

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  36. LDS

    This trade is a perfect example of the Hawthorne Effect – a virtual truism in management circles. The Reds did “something”. Will it change their trajectory? Not likely. But it does make the fans think they’re doing something and maybe distracts from how poorly this organization is run and how bad the Reds really are. And BTW, how bad the Reds are is driven not by injuries. It is driven by their mental preparedness. It was clear following the NYY series that the players were not connecting to the reality of their position.

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    • Kevin H

      Yes injuries have played a big part. To suggest otherwise is not accurate. The Reds despite everything are still a good team. Yes their record is their record, however despite all that they still have a change. Albeit a small chance. Bad teams don’t sweep the Dodgers or Yankees.

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      • Brian

        So how is trading for an often injured guy a good way to fight injuries?

      • Harry Stoner

        But good teams get swept by the Detroit Tigers?
        At home?

      • LDS

        Even @Doug, who is frequently more generous to the Reds than some of us here, characterizes Slater as a AA player these days. And no, the Reds aren’t good. And that’s not going to change until the Reds clean house from the field level management up through ownership and all through the minor league organization, starting with Bell and his team.

      • Tom Diesman

        Re: “So how is trading for an often injured guy a good way to fight injuries?”

        That’s a great question for the trade for Luis Robert and Jazz Chisholm fans.

  37. Anthony

    How many similar no name or retread saviors we’ve had since start of 23. Will Myers,Harrison Baeder. Hunter Renfroe,Nick Martini,Mike Ford Levi Jordan etc ad nauseum. Hopefully our manager doesn’t put him at ss or catcher batting him 3rd 5th 1st 8th 4th 9th

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  38. wkuchad

    Yes he’s been below average this year. Of course, besides four starters, our entire offense has been below average this year. But we needed an OF body and he counts. Plus, if you take his stats from last year or the year before that or the year before that or the year before that or his career stats, he’s been better than all but four of our current players. Maybe we get lucky and he hits a little before we get Friedl or Fraley back.

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  39. Jason Franklin

    I just hope this isn’t a guy who will be on the MLB roster. If they acquired him to platoon against lefties (as one would assume as Slater is a rh bat), than they screwed up because he is hitting RH pitchers much better this year (albeit a small sample size). Pretty sad return even for Alex Young.

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    • LDS

      Come on Jason, remember they are getting cash back as well. How many times have we seen that? Or selling the player outright. This is the way the Reds operate. Yes, some folks think the Reds are better now. But then they think Bell knows secret things.

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    • Melvin

      vs. left – .174/.306/.174

      vs. right – .286/.407/.476

      Small sample size as you said.

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      • Mauired

        And Bell will never give him an at bat against right handed pitching. He doesn’t believe in reverse splits or doesn’t comprehend them

  40. Rednat

    This reminds me of the Carmello Martinez trade in 1991. We had a bunch of injuries that year and we brought him over from kc to fill in. He actually put up some fair numbers that year for is so who knows

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  41. Roger Garrett

    Great stuff nation and I love the stat lines cause speaking with numbers is cool.I fully expect him to be a platoon player just as soon as Fraley returns and most definitely when Friedl returns.So for now and for me throw him out there every day and lets see what happens.

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  42. NorMichRed

    To me, this transaction is like having a car with a failing transmission and remedying that by buying a discount/economy set of windshield wipers to mitigate the problem. At best, which I don’t think will happen, it’s another nothingburger.

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  43. Oldtimer

    In 1971 the Reds trade a promising SS Frank Duffy for a young OF George Foster. They traded a promising INF Kurt Bevacqua for veteran OF Buddy Bradford. They traded a pinch hitting OF Angel Bravo for OF Al Ferrara. They traded promising SP Milt Wilcox for OF Ted Uhlaender.

    Only the Foster trade worked our (and not for three years).

    Rarely do mid season trades make a big difference.

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    • Jim Walker

      Yep, but Bob Howsam would roll out of bed in the morning ready in his words “to take and make a trade”. 😉

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      • TR

        And then there was Jim Bowden. Not much on pitching but he loved the offense.

  44. Randoxu1

    Or maybe the Reds did this deal because the Giants were just in Cleveland. It’s a cheap flight to Cincy, lol. I have to laugh at something at this mess.

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  45. Matt McWax

    I had my A.i. agent read this thread and its condensed summary just said “Order the Rings”.

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  46. redfanorbust

    Stats and the merits of this trade have taken apart and looked at under a microscope and that’s fine but this is just a sideshow trade for a short term need Reds have. I have no idea who is hurt at the moment. Changes from day to day. However there may be another shoe to drop trade wise and will be interesting to see. Reds are in no mans land IMHO to buy, sell or stand pat. We seem to have many players that may come back from injury but may not. From this point if Reds decide to make a trade it should really move the needle and suck up the pain of trading top prospects. I don’t want to be Krall right now.

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  47. Jeremiah

    I’m OK with the trade. Young wasn’t really in the plans. Slater is brought in for depth potentially if even for triple a if he has options can he go down? I don’t know how all that works.

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  48. Brian

    Too bad he’s not a lights out defender or he would make a good DH for the Reds. ?

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  49. H.B.

    No one should kid themselves; this was about 400k and not Slater.

    Just remember come Saturday we can all add to our sticker collection!!!!

    Sad organization heading toward a last place finish, again.

    Elly will be ready to leave when his sentence is up.

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