The 2024 Major League Baseball Draft will take place from July 14th through July 16th. The Cincinnati Reds didn’t win the draft lottery in December, but they did the next best thing and landed the #2 pick despite having some of the worst odds among teams eligible for the lottery.

We’re two weeks out at this point from the first day of the draft, which will feature the first round and second rounds. Rounds 3-10 will take place on July 15th. The draft will wrap up with rounds 11-20 on July 16th.

It’s worth noting that the draft lottery only applies to the 1st round. That means the Reds will only drafted 2nd in the 1st round, but in the rest of the rounds the order is determined by the 2023 records of teams around baseball. Still, in baseball it’s usually the 1st round pick that makes or breaks a draft as a majority of picks beyond the 1st round fail to reach the big leagues.

Cincinnati has never had the #1 overall pick. But they have had the #2 pick several times. Back in 1983 they selected Kurt Stillwell. They didn’t draft second again until they had the pick in back-to-back years in 2016 and 2017. In those years they selected Nick Senzel and Hunter Greene.

At the #2 spot in the draft you can truly go into the draft with a strong plan of action. There’s only one team selecting in front of you, so the number of scenario that can play out are quite limited, unlike what could happen if you were selecting 10th or even 5th in the draft.

On a similar note, drafting this highly, the likely picks the Reds could make is small. In this year’s draft there seems to be a tier of five guys that have separated themselves. It would be a bit of a surprise if the club took anyone outside of that group.

That group of players is as follows (in alphabetical order):

  • Travis Bazzana – 2B – Oregon State
  • Chase Burns – RHP – Wake Forest
  • Jac Caglianone – 1B/LHP – Florida
  • Charlie Condon – OF – Georgia
  • JJ Wetherholt – SS – West Virginia

Between now and the week of the draft, we’ll have scouting reports and write ups for each of these five players. We will also add in a few others in a “maybe they go off-board” piece, too. For now, if you’d like to dive into some reports on those guys, here are your links:

What are the rumors saying?

Baseball America reported in their most recent mock draft that there’s more and more buzz around the idea of Cleveland, who has the #1 pick, could be looking to make a “money saving” pick since baseball’s draft comes with a pool allotment for each team and they can spend that however they want (each pick is tied to a pool amount, but they do not have to spend that specific amount on that pick – they just can’t go over their entire pool amount without penalty). What that means is that Cincinnati could have the chance to take the best player in the draft.

Just about everyone has the Reds favoring Charlie Condon out of Georgia if he’s available. College baseball saw a rebirth of offense this season for some reason, but Condon put other hitters to shame. He hit .433/.556/1.009. Yes, you are reading that correctly – he slugged 1.009. In his 60 games played he had 20 doubles, a triple, and 37 home runs.

If Cincinnati wants to look at some pitching, everyone seems to believe that Chase Burns is the only option for them. After pitching for Tennessee in 2022 and 2023, splitting time starting and relieving, he transferred to Wake Forest. He broke out in a big way, going 10-1 with a 2.70 ERA in 100.0 innings where he had 30 walks and 191 strikeouts.

We’ll be back later this week with some more in-depth reports on potential draft picks.

112 Responses

  1. CFD3000

    I am excited that the Reds pick so high – of course – but concerned that their track record with the #2 pick is… not great. Neither Stillwell nor Senzel was a star, with Hunter Greene clearly the best pick of the three. In spite of that record I do hope they lean to hitters. Pitchers are pretty much all or nothing, making hitters a safer bet. And this is one unexpected opportunity the Reds can’t afford to squander. So if it is Condon that’s good by me. I’ll look forward to your deeper dive Doug.

    • AllTheHype

      The 2016 draft (Senzel) was bad for almost all teams in the first round. In the top 15 picks, only Braxton Garrett (7) and Cal Quantrill (8) amounted to much of anything. So it wasn’t really that the Reds drafted poorly that year, but rather that the top end of the draft just lacked talent in general.

      This year seems much the opposite of that. The top of the draft seems heavy with talent by most evaluators, and the draft drops off substantially in talent after the top 10 or so. So it was a great year for the Reds to get a lottery pick.

      • Mauired

        Still not a single all-star from 1st round of that draft. Might have been the worst 1st round in draft history.

        There were some very good players in second round like Brian Reynolds and Pete Alonso

      • Taylor

        Ian Anderson?? Forgetting about him….

      • Mauired

        When did he make the all star team?

    • Ted Alfred

      Needs to be Condon if available… if not then Bazzana. They need big time hitters and there are just 2 in this draft. Pitchers take longer to develop, are more hit and miss plus more injury prone.

      Do Not Screw This Up

    • earmbrister

      He didn’t, but he had a heckuva rock n roll band.

      But I’m Living in the Past

  2. LDS

    I think many of us would like to see Condon, if he’s available. My confidence in the Reds FO right now and recent history has me suspecting a pitcher or a SS, hence Burns or Wetherholt. Let’s hope Condon is available and Krall sees the merit.

  3. MBS

    One of the 1B’s please, Condon, Kurtz, or Caglianone in that order. I guess I wouldn’t be too upset if we grabbed anyone else on the list above, but it looks like the talent, and need seems to be perfect for a 1B.

  4. SultanofSwaff

    I would love to see Condon as well. For me, Bazzana has a lot of risk in the sense that he would be positionally limited if he can’t stick at 2B. With his block-y frame, he looks less athletic than India. So would you shift him to LF….DH? To be picked #2 overall there shouldn’t be a single question mark about your position. Condon doesn’t come with those risks….he’s an outfielder and that’s that.

    In most cases you don’t draft for need, but imo the Reds current situation is a tad different in the sense that the starting pitching and infield is largely sorted for what seems to be a few years moving forward. This would be a rare instance where because there isn’t a plug-n-play sure thing starting pitcher you could take a guy like Condon with the expectation he could make the big club by late 2025 and fit in perfectly with our core guys.

    • AllTheHype

      If Bazzana can play 2B even if not that well, he surely should be able to play 1B or corner OF. 3B may even be a possibility due to less mobility required, but depends on his glove and arm profile.

      They’d find a place for him to play just like they did for Votto.

      • DaveCT

        Bazzana has been reported to have CF (up the middle) ability.

    • earmbrister

      Condon please.

      The starting pitching has rounded into shape. Need a BIG bat in the OF.

  5. Doc4uk

    Wyatt Langford played last year for Florida and yesterday he hit for the cycle for the Rangers! Guess who else was hammering the ball for that same Florida team? Jac Caglione. He had more intentional walks than anyone else in the country as teams feared him. Condon is a similar player except JC also pitched .

    The Reds need hitters more than pitchers (even though they do need both) so the pick must be JC or Condon. And hopefully both are ready to start next year at 1B for the Reds! Move CES back to 3B if he heals OK and Marte plays SS at Louisville. McClain replaces Elly at SS and Elly moves to CF where his speed and arm both come into play. India stays at 2B. Friedl goes to RF and Steer stays in LF . Benson, Fraley, and Fairchild are all expendible as is Maille.

    • doofus

      For the sake of better defense at 2b, India must not continue to play there.

    • Mauired

      I’m with you. Condon had a Joe Burrow record breaking final season in college so if he’s the guy great. But it amazes me how many people are totally ignoring Caglianone. I suspect most people on here haven’t even seen him play because their attitude on him might be different. Yes Condon was better this year despite a crazy good year by Caglianone. But Caglianone was the best slugger last year and second best slugger this year. I suspect if he wasn’t a full time starting pitcher the last two years, his insane offensive numbers would have been even better. I think his floor is Pete Alonso with great defense. And his ceiling is Juan Soto with a cannon.

      • MK

        I’ve seen all listed in post play on TV. I would take Condone without a second thought. He can play First, third or left field. A large frame with room to grow a Judge type body.
        Caglianone looks like he could be a hot head,
        Bazzana isn’t the physical specimen the other two are.

    • Laredo Slider

      Freidl lacks a CF arm much less RF.

      Any catchers in this draft? Reds upper level C talent is woeful. Couple really good young C prospect but they’re years away.

      • Doug Gray

        Catchers are far and away the worst track record of any position in the draft. The Reds track record of drafting catchers is also wild. They either draft a guy who is a starter (Barnhart, Stephenson), or they draft a guy who can’t hit his body weight in A-ball.

      • west larry

        Didn’t’ the reds draft a catcher named Johnny Bench in the second round? i know it was decades ago, but it still counts.

      • Doug Gray

        Yes, Johnny Bench was a 2nd round pick. He’s the outlier. If you get a middle reliever with your 2nd round pick you did better than more than half of the other teams in the league did.

        I picked 2007 as an example. The Reds did well that year. They picked Zack Coart. He put up 15 WAR in his career. He was the 4th best player taken that round (Freddie Freeman and Giancarlo Stanton were grand-slam picks here, and then Jordan Zimmerman with 22 WAR).

        Only one other player – Eric Sogard – put up more than 2 WAR for their career from the entire 2nd round that year. And he’ll have less WAR for his career than the MVP winner’s will have this year. More than half of the picks in that round never got to the big leagues.

        2nd round picks can have value – and a ton of it. But if you expect to get more than a bench player or middle reliever who sticks around for a few years, you’re almost always going to be disappointed because those are winning outcomes for those picks.

      • Oldtimer

        Johnny Bench was more often a pitcher than catcher on his Binger (OK) HS team. Most scouts saw him once (as a pitcher). The Reds scout saw him twice (as a catcher). Pure luck the Reds drafted him when they did.

        Tom Seaver was 10th round pick in that draft. Nolan Ryan was 12th round.

        Mike Schmidt and George Brett were back-to-back 2nd round picks in 1971 draft. Reds picked Mike Miley ahead of both.

    • Tar Heel Red

      I agree with you Doc. Condon is 6’6″ but yet has a compact swing and awesome power. According to MLB.com he has a projected ETA of next year…plus he hits right-handed…something the Reds organization sorely lacks.

      • Reaganspad

        Bazzana can play in the outfield.

        He has über strike zone understanding, great speed and great bat control. It would not surprise me to see him advance quickly to the ML. Faster than Senzel with much more power and a much better strike zone.

        I see him with a TJ Friedl floor very quickly. For a team in need of bats in 2024, he is better than about 8 on our ML roster

      • Mauired

        Yeah Marte is quite bigger this year already than even last september. And he will probably continue getting bigger. I think Reds did the right thing to move him to 3rd where he looks like a natural. Kind of like McLain to second. Elly is has continued getting better at short. Reds have a great situation with the 3 shortstops covering the infield. CES looked like a 3rd baseman playing 1st with his quickness as well.

      • doofus

        I would offer that all college and high school players lack wood bat experience.

      • DaveCT

        Doofus, hence the great importance and high value of these kids playing in wood bat summer leagues. The Cape league is, by far, the pre-eminent college wood bat league, one. But having literally ten times the amount of wood bat success should get everyone’s attention.

        An aside, JJ Cooper at BA just wrote that college baseball has got to reign in the offense with the aluminum/composite bats before someone gets hurt. As it stands now, it’s limiting to evaluate a college guy based on stats alone. Doug spoke to this a few weeks back in a reply, essentially saying scouting carries considerable weight vs stats in evaluating college hitters.

      • Old-school

        @ Dave Ct

        You speak the truth on wood bats.
        Son played small school college ball and travel ball at all the perfect game tourneys and in high school played at PG wood bat national event in Georgia. First game was against East Cobb with 15 ACC and SEC commits and it was a different sport. I bought him a great wood bat for that tourney and he ended up 1-9 with 2 walks against dudes throwing 90 MPH. He ripped a ball that would have been a triple to right CF over second base head with a BBCOR but ended up a leaping out and a broken bat in my $110 investment that lasted 3 games.

      • Redlegs1869

        Hmm…everyone seems to agree that Marte has become significantly “thicker” and “bigger” this year. Wonder why??

      • DaveCT

        He’s 22, and has been trending that way for a few seasons, that’s why. Hence the move off of short.

    • Casey39

      Spot on.
      I have told anyone that listens that EDLC would be a GG CF. If Robin Yount can do it, EDLC can do it.

      • reaganspad

        But EDLC can be a GG Shortstop. He has already done things at Short I have never seen. Better than Ozzie, Cal, Davey, Bowa, Yount, Trammel, ARod, Templeton Choose your comp.

        His range and arm are superior to all of the above. Now it is about reps at the ML level. The guy has 160 games at SS, some at 3rd base last year. McLain was a better SS last year than Elly, but doesn’t project the same way.

        Let’s have this discussion in 2 years. His shelf life as a center fielder will not go stale in that time.

      • Mauired

        I agree with all of that rspad. Also, normally I don’t care about hurting a guys feelings when it comes to position changes. But when it comes to Elly and more importantly keeping Elly in Cincinnati, there’s no reason to make the change unless it becomes necessary. Elly has been good at short and is improving as well. Elly wants to play short and works hard at improving his glove.

      • earmbrister

        Elly has all 5 tools. The range and the arm are most valuable at the position that sees the most plays: SS.

        I’m not moving him. He’s getting better and better and we are blessed with him as the anchor of the IF.

      • Melvin

        “I have told anyone that listens that EDLC would be a GG CF.”

        I’ve been listening. 😉

      • Melvin

        “But when it comes to Elly and more importantly keeping Elly in Cincinnati, there’s no reason to make the change unless it becomes necessary.”

        As I’ve said on more than one occasion, lol, I’d willing to bet he’d fall in love with CF.

      • reaganspad

        He might love being a formula 1 race car driver, but

        I think he already has a love and it is Shortstop.

        why you want to be messing with his love life?

      • Justin T

        He leads MLB in errors at the SS position. He leans one way and takes abnormally long to get his body going back the other way. Its also partially the reason he gets picked off so often.

        He is tall, lanky and has a great arm. He is a centerfielder playing SS. There is a reason the most errors at SS are EDC and Cruz from Pitt. They are both at least 6’5.

    • Tom Noonan

      Elly stays at SS. His arm and the fact that he is right in the middle of so much action – either grounders, turning DPs and taking relay throws from EACH outfielder, often gunning runners down at the plate – he has to stay at SS.

      Does Marte really have the agility to play SS? I wonder about that. Elly has already shown agility and though Elly makes errors, he’s improving. Seems to me if Condon can play OF, that’s where he plays – either LF or RF. CES stays at 1B/DH, Steer at 1B/LF/DH.

      Does Fraley become trade bait – especially if his hitting improves? Maybe package him with someone (Marte?) – would that bring us a #2 SP?

  6. Mark Moore

    Doug, this will be an interesting draft. And thanks for noting that 2nd Round and beyond are usually a crap-shoot. Heck, that happens often enough in the 1s Round.

    If the Guardrails don’t take Condon, I hope we do. Then I hope we don’t rush him.

  7. Bill J

    Doug, seems I read a story once that the Reds had good luck in the second round.

    • Mauired

      I think Joey Votto was a second round pick. Johnny Bench as well.

      • Jim Walker

        I think that back in the days before YouTube etc, just knowing about a guy from Binger, OK (Bench) was quite an accomplishment. Seems I’ve read stories the Reds main concern was making sure they did nothing to reveal anything to another team about the Binger phenom.

        As I recall, the Reds picking at #16 (of 20) felt Bernie Carbo would not be there in round 2 because he was from the Detroit area; and, they knew other teams were well aware of him. On the other hand, they were reasonably sure nobody else knew or at least had seriously looked at Bench and decided to roll the dice he would be there at #36 overall.

        It was a long time ago; and, many stories sometimes run together in my mind; but, I *think* one of them about Bench was that another team’s scout had seen Bench. But he had only pitched that day, and they did not know about his catching and had him cataloged as a raw country boy fastball pitcher worth a later round flyer.

    • Doug Gray

      Everyone has had luck in just about every round. The draft has been around for 70 years. But the average value of even a middle of the 1st round pick is a solid bench player or good middle reliever. And it just gets worse than that with every subsequent pick.

      Yes, plenty of very good, and even great players were drafted after the first round. But generally speaking, by the time you reach the 15th pick in the draft you are not drafting someone who is being selected in a spot where the normal player taken in that spot even becomes an every day starting player or a #4 starting pitcher. Those are just facts.

  8. Luke J

    I wouldn’t be upset with any one of Condon, Caglianone, or Burns. But I think I’m in the minority who would prefer to see Burns. First, college hitters’ numbers can be deceiving and not necessarily translate to higher levels. Whereas, you can evaluate the raw stuff of a pitcher regardless of level. And it appears that Burns has the raw stuff that makes him a generational type talent. Many evaluators say his stuff is better than Paul Skenes’. That’s the kind of thing that will translate without much risk. The risk with a pitcher is injury. But that’s always going to be there. I just see Burns as more of a sure thing than Condon. Although I don’t think the Reds can go wrong with any of those 3.

    • Droslovinia

      I know that it’s a bit of college fandom bias, but Condon got his numbers while playing in a very tough conference. I tend to trust that more than players who run up big numbers while playing in conferences that don’t show up much at the end of the season.

    • Old Big Ed

      Burns was 10-1 in the regular season, and I saw the 1 loss (against North Carolina) live while I was in the area. He gave up at least 4 homers. I know it was just one game, but I can’t unsee that performance.

      He also lost an elimination game (his only other loss) to East Carolina, giving up 5 hits and walking 4 in 5 IP.

      He’s from middle Tennessee, so Derek Johnson will know him well, but I think they will go for a bat.

  9. Old Big Ed

    Condon isn’t very fast, and may be relegated to left field. The Reds have plenty of speed, so he kinda gives me a Jack Clark vibe, hitting behind all the speed that the Cardinals had in the 1980s with Willie McGee, Vince Coleman and others.

    Need Tommy LaSorda’s opinion on what Clark could do.

    • Redsvol

      “Jack Clark vibe” – I like it old big ed. We could definitely use some of that on the major league roster. Jack was a very good player.

    • Justin T

      Dont forget Pedro Guerrero too!

      Those Cards teams were fun to watch and could def compete today.

  10. old-school

    Can someone explain the slot values and why a high pick would agree to a less than slot value number? Nick Senzel did this in 2016 IIRC and that allowed more money for Taylor Trammell later.

    If I am the number 2 pick for the Cincinnati Reds, I want that $9.785 million signing bonus that is the assigned value for the #2 overall pick.

    • DaveCT

      My best and limited understanding of this is that a player ranked/projected to go lower in the draft, ie sixth, where the slot value is 8 mil may agree in advance to take that bonus in lieu of the slot value of 10 mil at the second pick. The team then has an extra 2 mil for compensation picks and other picks lower in the draft, with which they also have pre-draft deals.

      The antithesis to this is, as you state, when someone, ie Hunter Greene, does say hell no, pay me. As they should.

  11. Optimist

    Hitting please – I suppose in order of preference it’s Condon, Bazzana, Wetherholt. Unless the scouting shows extreme fielding deficiency, or a serious hole in the swing, don’t sweat the field position. Very good, to great, bats are always useful.

  12. docmike

    All I had heard for a long time was that there was a clear top 2 in Bazzana and Condon, and that the Reds would sit back and take whoever Cleveland didn’t grab. But I just read mlb.com’s mock draft, and they had the Reds taking Caglianone instead. They even mentioned that he “appears to be ahead of Condon”. Is this something you’ve heard too, Doug?

    I guess I would be ok with Cags, I just have a hard time believing they could pass on Condon if he’s siting right there.

    • Mauired

      Look at what Cags did this year AND last year to understand the thinking of taking Cags over Condon.

      • AllTheHype

        2 year combined college stats
        Cags Condon
        HR/AB 12.8% 14.1%
        BB/PA 6.5% 10.6%
        BA .367 .411
        SLG .811 .915
        OPS 1.233 1.471

        Something I’m missing?

      • Mauired

        No you’re right. Condon has been superior both years. Caglianone had much more homers and RBI that 1st year though. But Condon had a better offensive year. I retract the Condon over Caglianone. But if Cleveland takes Condon off the table Reds should take Caglianone.

      • Mauired

        *1st year, Cags had more runs, hits, Xtra base hits, doubles, triples, homers, RBI, total bases, steals (lol)

        And even through I admit Condon was overall better than Caglianone both years. I do have to ask if Caglianone was not a two way player and just hit like Condon, would that still have been true.

  13. RedlegScott

    Given his numbers, I’d be surprised if Cleveland doesn’t take Condon. However, I sure hope he is available at #2. A no-brainer for the Reds if he’s there right?

    • west larry

      There is that rumor that the guardians may take a different player in the top six or seven if that pick would take lesser money, to be used on other desirable picks.

  14. Melvin

    Condon first and then Bazzana….but I’m open if someone convinces me otherwise.

    • west larry

      I agree with you. I hope it’s Condon.

    • Mauired

      I can take a swing at that Melvin. Here’s my case for Caglianone. Firstly with the bat, nobody has more power than Caglianone but it’s not just power. This year he had more homers than strikeouts and even had twice as many walks as strikeouts. His k rate was a freakish 8%. He was just the second player ever to have two 30 homer seasons and over the last two years he had the most homeruns of any amateur player. This year he also tied a college record of 8 straight games with a homerun including one that was 516 ft. Longer than any homerun in MLB. Regularly hits the ball 120 mph. But if average is more your thing, he did hit .419 this year so it’s not like he’s a power over hit guy. He’s a complete offensive monster. He did play first in college but I think that’s because he was a starting pitcher coming off a recent tommy john surgery, and they wanted to protect him. Despite being a big guy 6’5″ 250 pounds, he’s not slow. He’s very athletic and I think any team that takes him will want to see that 99mph arm in the outfield. Ceiling gold glove and triple crown? lol.

      • Randy in Chatt

        Cags also did it without much protection behind him in the line-up (compare Georgia’s team stats to Florida’s). He rarely had anything to hit and pitchers would often pitch around him or just give him the automatic free pass (especially in the CWS when the game was on the line). An interesting fact is that Cags is a developing hitter and only getting better because he is fairly new to hitting as he came to FLA as a pitcher only as a freshman.
        Another item about Cags is he is already a major league ready physically. Definitely more defined that Condon at this point. He is a monster and also is a great teammate. His teammates loved him. If you ever heard him interviewed he has a lot of intangibles and just gets it. Very sharp kid. He hits lefties well and his chase rate has really improved as he has progressed as a hitter.
        He could put up 50+ homers as a lefty hitter at GABP. Someone above said the Reds need RH hitters. We have CES, McLain, India, Stephenson, Marte, Elly (SH), Candy (SH) and Steer. From the left side we have Elly, Friedl and Candy as the only reliable from the left side. Give me a big power bat from the left side. Cags is my choice.

      • AllTheHype

        I’ll offer the contrarian opinion on Caglianone.

        He walked only 27 times in 316 PAs that were not IBB. That’s not a good BB rate for an elite bat. But he does have a low K rate. So what gives? He chases at a high rate, that’s what. He swings at A LOT of pitches. But yet he can still make contact, and often elite contact, with the pitches out of the zone, hence the low K rate. But will that play in MLB? Doubt it, at least not the way it does in college for sure. So he will have to adjust his game, and see more pitches per PA. And when he sees more pitches, will he K more? Sure he will.

        Maybe he can adjust, or maybe not, or maybe somewhere in between. I’m betting he can adjust, and he’s got a good chance to be an all star. He’s obviously got elite bat to ball skills, combined with power. But there’s risk there.

        I don’t think Condon and Bazzana have nearly as much risk as Caglianone does.

      • Mauired

        I get a laugh out of trying to punish a hitter for having all those intentional walks. It’s really trying hard to find something negative that’s not there. How many of those intentional walks would have been even more homers and unintentional walks if the opposing coach tries to get him out?

      • AllTheHype

        You’re totally missing the point. It’s not punishing him for IBB, it’s just pointing out that his BB numbers are shewed by free passes and that he chases at a pretty high rate and doesn’t earn a lot of BBs on his own, which is probably the biggest knock on him from evaluators. That and his positional limitations, which as you rightly pointed out might not be limitations at all.

      • Mauired

        Condon had 3 less intentional walks than Cags. Why does it skew Cags numbers but not Condons

      • AllTheHype

        It skews them both. And after adjusting the IBB out of the BB rate, Condon has a 10.6% BB rate over 2 years vs 6.5% for Jac. These are the number I posted above.

      • Melvin

        @Mauired – You make a good argument. He’s a two way player correct? His nickname is “Jactani”. Wow. Throw’s 101 off the mound. Would be hard to go wrong with that guy. Of course I have no idea what the Reds will do. Here’s to hoping they don’t screw it up somehow. Seems like they’d really have to try hard to do that with so much talent available and having the 2nd pick.

    • redfanorbust

      I personally think Cleveland takes Bazzana and Reds take Condon.

  15. Redsvol

    I’m with LDS on this one – sheesh, never thought I’d say that (kidding LDS) – I think Reds go with the Wake pitcher Burns or one of the middle infielders like wetherholdt.

    I think there could be an underslot deal to be had for either of them. Reds draft people usually go with college pitchers and up the middle position players.

    Personnally, I would prefer Condon if Cleveland doesn’t take him. We need a fast developing hitting outfielder in worst way. But wouldn’t be disappointed with burns, Arkansas pitcher hagan smith or wetherholdt. If JJ is can get his legs healthy, he is very talented. He runs like a deer compared to baxzana or condon and has a sweet left handed swing.

    Caglaianone I find intriguing too. But only if I was convinced he could play right field. He impressed me in the CWS but he only played first base or DH. Seemed to run bases well though. But time power there.

    • Iamaredsfan

      The problem with that thought is we have the 51st pick in the second round. Don’t need to save slot money. Take the Aussie or Condon. And get them up quickly!!!

  16. docmike

    Sounds like a lot of folks on here are like me. I’m dreaming of Condon launching 40+ homers every year. Hope Cleveland passes on him.

    • Redsvol

      I like Condon very much. But I’m very skeptical of these power numbers in college this year. Condons wood bat experience not nearly as impressive.

      Those bats in college had some type of inter planetary minerals impregnated in them this year.

      • Laredo Slider

        Tennis balls. Cut the bat open, insert tennis balls, seal/weld/smooth and you never know the difference. TN’s especially effective in using this practice.

  17. Mike W

    Sorry Doc4UK and anyone else thinking the same thing, but please, please Reds do not ever move Elly to centerfield! That is where he is most likely to get injured going full speed into someone else or the wall or diving for a ball. He’s a fine shortstop with lots of range and a great arm and will get better each year. What a shame it would be if Elly got injured in the outfield and was lost for a couple of months just for trying to make a spectacular catch. He is so valuable to our team in so many ways, it’s clearly not worth losing his presence .

    • Jeremiah

      I don’t know if De La Cruz is a great defensive SS, but I’d keep him there for now. He should get better, and his arm on cutoff throws makes runners think. I liked him best at 3B, but don’t see the Reds moving him there. But I agree I don’t really like the idea of him moving to the Outfield as of now. Maybe in a few years.

      • Votto4life

        For me it comes down to how Arroyo develops. If he recovers nicely and if shows he can hit major league pitching then he is your shortstop (ETA 2026?). That gives the Reds the luxury of moving Elly to 3B or even to the OF.

        Whether Arroyo will be up to the task who knows? Some here may be able to answer that question, but I can not.

    • TR

      There’s a lot more room in centerfield for Elly to use his speed than at short with the possible confusion on a flyball between the leftfielder, third baseman and shortstop..

    • Harry Stoner

      Diving for balls, crashing into walls, crashing into rogue Fraleys.

      Sounds pretty risky for EDLC in CF.

  18. paleblue

    Kurtz or Caglianone for me. I want a LHH masher at 1B.

  19. Rednat

    Why bother drafting position players when we havent shown we can develop them. We have however developed strong young pitchers.
    I would use the high draft picks to get pitching pitching and more pitching. Then you can flip some of these guys for some established veteran hitters.

    • Doug Gray

      Elly De La Cruz is is 7th in WAR (fangraphs) in baseball right now. Did someone else develop him?

      • Harry Stoner

        How much did the Reds develop EDLC vs simply let his innate talents roll?

        I’m not taking on opposite position, but I wouldn’t use him as my main counter argument.

        Too much of a unique case.

        McLain, Stephenson, and India have come up through the system.

        Cozart had a few solid seasons before melting down.

        Others haven’t done so well (Senzel, Barrero, Billy)

        Some have been duds (Trammell, Hendrick) or quasi duds (Ervin)

        Don’t know what went wrong with Siani.

        While not a product of the Reds MiLB, Benson could use some ‘developmental’ help.

        We’ll see how things go with Collier and hopefully Stewart and Rodriguez.

        And Blandino’s knuckleball.

      • Doug Gray

        I mean you can always say those things about every single player, right? You either give them credit or you don’t. You can’t just choose who you decide to give them credit for.

      • Harry Stoner

        Well, no. Not really.

        I don’t think you can say that about any player, if you’re trying to be careful with what you say.

        With some players you can actually see the development, the struggles the growth.

        With some players you don’t. Perhaps it’s in them, perhaps they aren’t getting the help they need.

        Think Williamson as a pitcher, for instance. Major turnaround in his performance last season, which he explicitly credits to his work with Johnson.

        There’s been endless talk here…rightly or wrongly…. about how the Reds tinkered with Senzels approach to hitting.

  20. Jeremiah

    I don’t know much about these young guys, but get the guy closest to contributing to the Majors, and try to get him up quickly, or quickly start putting him out there as trade bait to get an established Outfielder or Starting Pitcher (Luis Robert, Dylan Cease, etc.) Maybe hold on to him till Summer 2025. That’d be my strategy!

  21. DaveCT

    The Mets are looking for bullpen help. Perhaps it may beca good time to see if they will overpay for Edgar Diaz’ younger brother.

    Has anyone noticed how often Alexis goes to his pant leg, sock and/or shoe when on the mound? Check it out. And there was a moment earlier when it was questioned whether he had sticky stuff.

    If the Mets would overpay, id sure consider it.

    • Redsvol

      I think you’re onto something DaveCT. Good closers usually aren’t on market at the trade deadline. I know he frustrates us Reds fans, but I’d bet Alexis Diaz is valued highly by other GM,s. I also worry about his arm. His arm slot seems to get lower each year- suggesting his shoulder is an issue.

      Last year I would have hated to see Diaz go. But Cruz and Moll have future closer type stuff. He will also start to cost real $ in his arb 1 year. If we are out of it in late July, krall needs to see what we can get for him.

    • Mauired

      Diaz had a 2.00 ERA and was 6 for 6 in save opportunities. He might have been the reliever of the month in NL. If they trade him, they better get some really good players back. He seems to being getting back to the 2021/1st half 2022 pitcher. I have some PTSD from those terrible reds bullpens until just last year. Really don’t want them to make it a weak spot again.

      • DaveCT

        Totally understand. There’s risk. Like i said, if there was an overpay. It us the Mets, after all. The kid they got in the Verlander trade might be a good starter. A CF, Drew Gilbert, AAA.

        Scouting Grades Hit: 55 | Power: 50 | Run: 50 | Field: 55 | Arm: 60.

      • Mauired

        They would have to get back Baty and Gilbert for that to be a win and overpay.

      • MBS

        @Dave, you gotta keep Diaz. He has elite closer ability, and mostly a good track record. I don’t mind trading a player from depth, but we don’t have good HL reliever depth.

      • DaveCT

        MBS, this may be the exception to the rule for me. One, I am still concerned with the overuse of Diaz in the first half last year, and things not necessarily looking ‘right’ since then. Two, because Cruz has in essence been that 7th inning closer, I do think he could close for the time being until we develop one of the power arms in the system, ie Maxwell, Phillips, Richardson, or we promote Santillan (whom I think has the best ‘closer’s mentality,’ if not the control). As for replacing Cruz in the 7th, we have Spiers, Young at AAA, Gilbaut and Pagan on the IL, and Zulueta, Legumina and Kriske having strong years at AAA. Luis May is someone, also, who could come on fast once it clicks. I look at the Mariners for bullpen inspiration. They have an incredible knack for developing bullpen pieces.

    • Redgoggles

      @DaveCT; I’ve had the same wonderings as well (although he was doing it all year so not sure how effective it has been.) Do they check pitchers that close the games like they do in between innings?

  22. Votto4life

    I really hope the Reds draft Condon if he is available.

  23. Mike W

    Our leader Doug (Gray) pointed out Elly being 7th in WAR, which I assume makes him an above average SS. His SB speed is off the charts and based on Sunday’s players, his BA, OBP and SLG were all 2nd best. SS requires footwork, glove skills and arm strength. I would guess SS handles (including DPs) almost twice as many balls as any single OF, and requires several times the skill set. The mere fact Elly could play SS AND OF, but next to none of our OF’s could play SS, shows you the skill differential. You don’t move your player with the most upside potential into a more “likely to get injured” position to maybe make a catch once every 3 -4 games that a regular speed OF might not make. The risk reward says leave Elly at SS and tell our coaches to keep working on compacting his swing like India has been doing. Put bat on ball and good things will happen. Heck, I saw him get a single on a check swing last week!

  24. RedsGettingBetter

    What happened with Nick Kurtz? I remember when the NCAA season was starting that guy was really preciousless as long as JJ Wetherholt. Many recognized baseball analysts said the Reds were going to pick him at #2 if he would be available because Cleveland could picking him first. Nowadays, literally nobody mentions his name as top 5 candidate….

    • Mauired

      I think Kurtz just had a subpar first half while Bazzana, Condon, and Caglianone had huge years from beginning to end. Weatherholt got hurt.

  25. Jmb

    If a team isn’t performing on the field, fans start dreaming of the draft.

    • Mauired

      True but I think it has more to do with them having the number 2 pick in the draft with a shot at an all-star talent that could be in the lineup next season.

  26. donny

    Guys, Girls, better yet Chat, whenever you have serious power like Condon or Caglianone you take it. ”No matter what position they play”. Power like that don’t come around very often. To me they are one and two.
    That’s my take!

  27. AMDG

    Looking at their past 2 seasons, I can see an argument for Bazzana, Condon, or Wetherholt in the top 2 picks. Not so much with Caglione.

    Batting Average
    Condon & Wether ~ 0.410
    Bazz 0.390
    Cag 0.370

    BB/K
    Wether 1.4
    Bazz 1.2
    Condon 1.0
    Cag 0.8

    % of hits for extra bases
    Condon 52%
    Cag 47%
    Wether & Bazz ~42%

    % of strikeouts
    Wether 9%
    Bazz, Condon, Cag ~15%

    Condon consistently gets the bat on the ball, and consistently hits the ball with authority.

    Wetherholt does a great job of avoiding K’s, and commanding the strikezone. And would likely have been even better if not for the hamstring injury.

    • AllTheHype

      Condon has separated himself. I think Bazzana you have to consider his extraordinary plate discipline and MVP of Cape Cod (wood bat) summer league. And he still has tremendous power to go along with that.

      Pick has to be between those two I think.

    • PTBNL

      Part of scouting is projection. It will boil down to not necessarily what the players have done in the past but what they project to what they will do in the future. Who do the top scouts think will project to be the best MLB player in the next few years.

      • AMDG

        That projection seems to play favorably to Condon, Wetherholt, and Bazzana over Caglione (high chase rate), and is why the top pitchers aren’t in the conversations (Burns gives up too much hard contact & Hagen has injury history + non-ideal delivery).