Carson Spiers kept the Cardinals in check, giving up just three hits in six innings and the Reds used a 6-run inning to put the game away. Cincinnati was up 8-1 after the 5th inning and held on for a 9-4 win in St. Louis to guarantee themselves a series split with the opportunity to grab a series win on Sunday.

Final R H E
Cincinnati Reds (39-44)
9 13 3
St. Louis Cardinals (42-40)
4 8 1
W: Spiers (2-1) L: Gray (9-5)
Box Score | Game Thread

The Reds would get back-to-back 2-out singles from Spencer Steer and Jake Fraley in the top of the 1st, but both would be stranded on the bases after a groundout ended the threat.

Two innings later the Reds would cash in. Austin Wynns, Jonathan India, and Elly De La Cruz began the 3rd inning with three consecutive doubles to produce two runs and give Cincinnati the lead. In the bottom of the inning Noelvi Marte dropped a pop up in foul territory. That would come back to haunt the Reds as Matt Carpenter doubled later in the at-bat, then came around to score on an RBI single by Michael Siani to cut the Reds lead to 2-1.

Things went the Reds way in the top of the 5th against Sonny Gray. Elly De La Cruz tripled into the right field corner with one out and Spencer Steer followed up with a walk and a stolen base. Jake Fraley battled with Gray before being hit in the back with the 10th pitch, loading the bases. Noelvi Marte hit a routine grounder to third base, but Nolan Arenado couldn’t come up with it cleanly at first and Marte beat his delayed throw to first base. That ended the day for Gray as the Cardinals turned to the bullpen.

John King came on and got pinch hitter Santiago Espinal to line out, with Spencer Steer having to dive back to third base to avoid being doubled off to keep the inning alive. Stuart Fairchild came through with a 2-run single to follow and made it 5-1. Will Benson followed up with a 2-run single of his own to make it 7-1. Austin Wynns then capped the inning off with an RBI double to make it 8-1.

After spending more than 30 minutes sitting on the bench as the Reds poured it on the Cardinals, Carson Spiers headed back to the mound for the bottom of the 5th inning and needed just 13 pitches before heading back to the dugout with an easy 1-2-3 frame.

The next inning didn’t go quite as well for Spiers as Paul Goldschmidt homered to center, just out of reach of Stuart Fairchild who had reached beyond the wall to try and bring it back. He’d get a fly out to end the inning two pitches later.

Cincinnati got that run back in the 7th inning when Austin Wynns hit his third double of the day and then scored when Jonathan India hit his second double of the day. When the bottom of the inning started the Reds went to their bullpen to bring in Justin Wilson. Things didn’t go well as he gave up a leadoff single, walked the next batter, then gave up another single to bring in a run and make it 9-3. That led to a mound visit from pitching coach Derek Johnson and it got some movement in the Reds bullpen. Whatever was said worked as Wilson got a strikeout, groundout, and a strikeout to end the inning without further damage.

Lucas Sims took over for the Reds in the 8th. He gave up a leadoff single before retiring the next two batters. Nolan Arenado then hit a backspinning blooper just over the pitchers mound that hit the grass and died. Jonathan India picked it up and fired it in the general vicinity of first base, but it got by the bag and allowed Willson Contreras to move up to third. He’d score when Nolan Gorman came through with a single into shallow center, cutting Cincinnati’s lead to 9-4. Fernando Cruz was then called on to try and keep the damage to one run and he did just that by striking out Matt Carpenter to end the inning.

Brent Suter entered the game for the Reds in the 9th and he made rather quick work of things. He recorded three outs on just 12 pitches as he sealed the win for Cincinnati.

Key Moment of the Game

The Reds top of the 5th inning that saw them rally for six runs and put the game away as they extended their lead to 8-1.

Notes Worth Noting

Jonathan India’s double in the 3rd inning extended his hitting streak to 11 games. It also extended his streak of games with a double to seven. India has had multiple hits in eight straight games, and in nine of the 11 games during his hit streak. During his 11-game hitting streak he’s hitting .512/.574/.854 with 11 doubles and a home run.

Elly De La Cruz picked up a stolen base in the 3rd inning after his double. That gave him 40 on the season. No one else in baseball has 30.

Austin Wynns had a heck of a Reds debut, picking up three doubles in the game, scoring two runs, and driving in another one.

Carson Spiers allowed one earned and lowered his ERA to 3.13 on the season. He’s now thrown 37.1 innings in three starts and five long relief appearances and has given up just one home run, walked just seven batters, and he’s now got 29 strikeouts.

Up Next for the Cincinnati Reds

Cincinnati Reds vs St. Louis Cardinals

Sunday June 30th, 2:15pm ET

Hunter Greene (5-3, 3.79 ERA) vs Lance Lynn (3-3, 3.86 ERA)

103 Responses

  1. Melvin

    “During his 11-game hitting streak he’s hitting .512/.574/.854 with 11 doubles and a home run.”

    If he could only get those numbers up a little bit. 😉

    • Harry Stoner

      And avoid having Bell move him to batting cleanup.

      • Ted Alfred

        Yep…please just leave him alone hitting leadoff.

        Spiers knows how to pitch…Reds really might have something in the kid.

      • Harry Stoner

        I hope Johnson, or someone, is talking sense to Bell and the Bull regarding Spiers.

        Ashcraft is the one on the hot seat, but I have no faith in Bell or Krall in handling the situation other than “Who has options!”

        Wilson and Sims should be making some decisions easier.

      • earmbrister

        Bell and Krall knew about Spiers long before we did. Heckuva free agent pickup after not being drafted in the shortened 2020 draft.

      • Harry Stoner

        Krall has collected and disposed of a lot of pitchers in that time frame.

        Nothing suggests any particular insight, certainly none on Bell’s part.

      • earmbrister

        Stevie Wonder can see Spiers worth. Do you really think that we see it and Krall and Bell don’t?

      • Harry Stoner

        Sure…. they can see his performance.

        Can they evaluate his worth?

        Observation skills haven’t necessarily translated into strategic skills with this manager and this ballclub.

      • earmbrister

        Let’s see. A rookie starting pitcher posting very good results, making league minimum, and who’s not a free agent until 2030. What’s that worth?

        Sounds like a puzzle that only the people at Mensa could solve. Way above Bell and Krall’s pay grades.

  2. LDS

    So the Reds picked up the victory despite running Wilson and Sims out there and leaving them in despite being ineffective. Hard to imagine that Santillan and Young could be worse.

    • Harry Stoner

      “The Mops” sloshing a bit of water around.

      • LDS

        Yep, it’s tough to figure out Bell’s thinking, particularly on the use of pitchers. Sometimes he leaves them in to give up runs on the assumption that they’ll pitch their way through it.

      • earmbrister

        Why wouldn’t “run” Wilson and Sims out there with a 9-2 lead? We won 9-4, so I’d say that it worked out pretty well.

      • Harry Stoner

        Bell has his “B” squad in the BP and this was their job.

        I guess taking the Shakespearean “All’s well that end’s well.” approach is valid in this case.

        Though it could just as easily gone south.

        Hopefully, Wilson and Sims stay in their mop up roles.

        Which isn’t a bad thing, actually.

      • Still a Red

        Geez I understand that Sims is inconsistent. But his last two or three outings have been spot on. I suppose you could say that decreases his chances of another spotless outing…but come on you’re going to fault Bell for bringing him in there? I’m not saying you keep him if you can move him.

    • Oldtimer

      Sims has 115 ERA+ (100 is NL average) in 2024.

      What is your ERA+ rating? I’m guessing 0.

      • Oldtimer

        Sims does his job most of the time. His job is to hold the opponent for an inning. Sometimes he doesn’t. Some Reds fans are utterly clueless.

        Sims has better ERA and ERA+ numbers than Cruz does.

    • LDS

      I love how folks here jump on a player’s bandwagon based on a couple of outings. Sims isn’t a high leverage player. I don’t care about some “analytics” number that is context free.

    • Old Big Ed

      I am a leading detractor of Gasoline Luke Sims, but he wasn’t bad yesterday. He had allowed a runner on first and gotten 2 outs, and Arenado hit a 38.7 mph lob wedge toward India. The next hitter blooped one to CF at 71 mph.

      Wilson was similar. He struck out two guys and walked one, but the two hits he allowed were hit 75.3mph and 78.1 mph.

      We can’t expect them to run out Mariano Rivera in the 7th inning of a 8-1 game. That’s what the 6th and 7th guys in the bullpen are for.

      • LDS

        @OBE, and if that were all they were used for it would be different. But as you know, it’s not. And maybe Santillian and Young wouldn’t be any better. But we don’t know at this point.

  3. Jimbo44CN

    And their are people on this board still anxious to trade India. NO WAY. Without him we stink.

    • LDS

      It boils down to whether one believes his performance is sustainable. That is his average performance not his 11 game performance, which obviously isn’t. If so, you keep him, otherwise trade him while he’s hot.

      • Harry Stoner

        Trading India now would move Espinal into a starting role or lock Candelario in at 3rd or move Steer into 2B.

        I’m thinking of the great Robert Duvall line in the Godfather: “Do me a favor, Sonny, take it into consideration…”

        James Caan: “Alright…we’ll wait.”

      • LDS

        In all likelihood, it just depends on the return whether it’s worth it.

      • Harry Stoner

        Likely no better than the deal Virgil “The Turk” Sollozzo offered in GF1.

    • Harry Stoner

      Yeah the “RH hitting outfielder!” has become the “Innings Eater!” of 2024.

      With Marte, McLain and Arroyo all question marks, maybe seeing where India goes with this is wise.

      The surprising / good thing is tat during this run India hasn’t been chasing the down and away off speed stuff that was killing him the last couple years hitting in the middle of the order.

      If I’m not mistaken, Gray threw him four straight pitches down there (the obvious book on him) and he laid off them all and then turned on an inside pitch for another 2b.

      Mature hitting approach…which is supposed to be his calling card.

      You just know Bell will move him out of leadoff when Frieda returns.
      He’s got those lineup cards already filled out.

      • Ted Alfred

        And that would be completely ridiculous. India even mentioned the other night in the post game how comfortable and confident he is hitting at the top of the order why would you ever mess with that especially after this. Just put Freidl at #2 and bump Elly down a couple spots. This shouldn’t be hard

      • Harry Stoner

        How much do you think EDLC’s recent production is influenced by India’s?

        They seem to feed off one another.

        I like Friedl, but it’s not like he’s tearing it up this year.

      • Still a red

        If India is still around when McLain gets back you DH him.

    • Brian

      If the Reds are gonna trade India, the timing is actually great. His trade value will probably never be higher. The return would need to be solid to pull the trigger for me. The Reds currently have the 12th best record in the NL. Granted, they’re not out of the wild card running yet but India will always be slow and not great defensively. I’d definitely be open to it if there’s maybe a young, power, corner outfielder available. That infield, logjam should be back next year.

      • Doc

        I don’t believe you can continue to trade off your best ball players, then expect to improve.

      • Old Big Ed

        They have India on a good contract through next season, and there is no pressure or reason to trade him. McLain will play second when he comes back, so they will have to go back to their plan this spring of using India a little bit of everywhere, including corner outfield.

        It isn’t like the Reds are the only team that knows that India is not very fast and a marginal defender. Teams would be interested in him, but they are giving up an elite prospect for him. The Reds don’t really need a lot of prospects right now, especially with the second pick in the draft.

        The fan base would also go ballistic if they trade India. They just aren’t going to open that can of worms.

      • Mauired

        Yeah if anything keeping India around for depth makes sense. They need to have more than 9 starters on the roster in case of injury.

        Everyone including myself was confused when they brought in Candelario for infield. There was no spot for him but sure enough injuries and suspension happened even before one game. Two infield spots opened up. Then six weeks in, CES goes down for the season and you have 3 infield spots open.

        India has proved even if there are guys better to start, having him to fill in has been a lifesaver. Get him off second and his value will increase as well.

    • redfanorbust

      Well depends on who we get back. I imagine any trade for India would have to include others. I doubt we would get fair trade value back for just him or at least from the Reds/Reds fans point of view. He is a club house leader and well liked by fans/players alike. He’s hot lately and playing well and hitting .279 but in April he hit .213 and May .220. His WAR currently is 1.1 or 2.1 per the various stats outlets. Obviously hope he can but not sure if he can sustain that for rest of the season. He is a career .259 hitter.

  4. Rcsodak

    I get happy when the reds beat the cards

    • TR

      I feel the same. The Reds and Cardinals are two of the oldest rivals going back to the American Association in the 1880’s when the AA was considered major league.

      • Mauired

        4 teams still exist that started in that league. Reds, Cardinals, Pirates, and Dodgers. The league was actually started by Cincinnati after Reds were kicked out of the National League for selling beer and playing on Sundays.

  5. Mark Moore

    Wins good. Wins against the WLBDE’s extra good.

    • earmbrister

      My girlfriend texted me last night from a bar. She said the Reds were on and asked me “Don’t you hate the Cards”?

      With a passion was the answer.

      Spanking them 2 of the first 3 games is wonderful.

      Need to take 3 of 4 to make it stupendous.

  6. RedsGettingBetter

    Now, the Reds should win tomorrow so the only thing that could be accepted as something worth it’s a series victory
    Spiers has done a nice job so far. The next game? Probably at Yankee Stadium…Let’s see….
    Hopefully the hot India will continue as long as possible through next week…
    Who would start as catcher tomorrow? Knowing Bell’s procedures, Maile would start for sure…

    • Harry Stoner

      Reds win on a Sunday afternoon?
      I’m not counting on it.

      • Ted Alfred

        In a lot of it is because Belle treats the Sunday games like they’re throwaway games and don’t matter as much for some reason. They need to play everybody who’s hot without days off. They need to go on a streak… now is not the time to be splitting series when you have a chance to win one. Just going for the throat instead if being happy you split with the Sunday l8neup that gets shelled. For instance the catcher Austin Wynns had a great game today, so just let him play again tomorrow. It’s not like Maile’s doing anything… stick with the hot hand

      • JayTheRed

        Amen to that it’s backup day tomorrow and we almost never win those games. sigh… I wish Bell would just play the hot players give them a day off on a different day, especially since it’s against a divisional team.

      • Tony Cloninger

        When has Bell treated Sunday like Dusty Baker used to for the Sunday specials? Some fans f you are just looking for stuff to make up or play up. Bell goes by who is healthy and the platoons. His issue is where he puts hitters in the lineup. Like Martini hitting 4th the other day or using Espinal as the DH. The guys that have been healthy and played the best have been starting almost every if not all the games. Elly. Steer. Candy until he got his knee issue.

    • Oldtimer

      STL has 11 WS championships, 23 NL pennants, and 32 playoff appearances.

      Reds have 5, 10, and 16, respectively.

      • Redsfan62

        They are a very well run organization, especially in light of their smaller market status. Trading Puhols 2 yrs after his back to back MVP years when he was still a great hitter after his age 31 year was stunning, but well timed. Takes huge courage to do that. They never would have offered the Votto deal that ended well past his prime. Love Votto but …
        Don’t like the Cards at all but they generally manage their team assets better than the Reds over time. But some of our recent deals for prospects have been strong moves.

      • Doug Gray

        The Cardinals didn’t trade Pujols, he was a free agent. And they offered him a huge deal to come back (reportedly 8 years and more than $200,000,000) but he took the Angels deal.

        The Cardinals did the exact thing with Pujols that the Reds did with Votto. The difference is that Votto signed his deal with the Reds and Pujols signed somewhere else. There was no courage involved.

      • redfanorbust

        For me that screams ownership (s)

      • Mauired

        62 is right for the wrong reason. Cards are a much better organization despite being the same size market as Reds. They are practically sister cities. Outside of the 70s Cards have been better than Reds for 100 years. While Reds are typically very conservative and turn a blind eye to mediocre talent, the Cards have always been proactive in acquiring talent from other teams to upgrade their team.

        They have picked up guys like Frankie Frisch, Lou Brock, Orlando Cepeda, Joe Torre, Ozzie Smith, Mark McGwire, Jim Edmonds, Scott Rolen, Chris Carpenter, Adam Wainwright, Paul Goldschmidt, and Nolan Arenado.

  7. west larry

    Indy would probably enjoy this: I decided that I was so impressed by Spiers that I would take him as a dog against Sonny. Wow, did that work out!

    • Indy Red Man

      Nice! Reds got me yesterday with the over /India 2 bases so I’m taking a few games off. Can’t move India imo. He’s still only 27.5 and it seems like he’s moving better. He still can’t turn 2, but atleast he’s getting to some balls. I’d trade Fraley but you wouldn’t get much. I’d try to sit down w Frankie and tell him we might be borderline contender next year with a huge emphasis on “might”. Could he get $75 mil for 3 from someone? He’s touched 98 lately. I’d trade him rather then lose him if that’s the evaluation

      • Harry Stoner

        If Montas continues to do well, it’s hard to see him sticking around…Reds will try to move him or he’ll decide to go FA again.

        I think only a lackluster Montas would wind up in the Reds 2025 rotation.

        I can’t imagine the return to be huge but…..

  8. Tom Mitsoff

    If Spiers keeps pitching this way, he sure as heck is not going back to Louisville when Lodolo is ready — at least if I have any say in it. 😉

    Ashcraft got knocked around pretty well by Pittsburgh the other day. Montas has a 3.25 ERA this month. Greene, Lodolo and Abbott aren’t going anywhere. If Spiers keeps pitching this way and gets sent down, I will truly wonder if this team is trying to win, or still on some convoluted development plan for certain individuals.

    I’m also curious to see if Wynns gets a spot on the bench tomorrow after a three-double performance today.

    • Optimist

      Spiers is clearly past the random/luck/one-time zone and getting into the small sample size area. He needs to stay until, and if, he falters. Wynn is still at the Lavarnway “game of his life” stage. TySteve will return sooner rather than later.

  9. Vince

    Marte is the one who should go. He has no opinion on the Reds first half performance other than its not his fault. Then cutting off Elly on a grounder and half- hearted throw to first which pulled Steer (I think) off the bag and let the runner SKIP his way onto base. Then he drops a popup and smiles? Package him and send him away. How about the first baseman from Chicago .280 avg 100+ rbis and 40 dingers.

  10. Mike W

    KISS = Keep It Simple Stupid.
    Spiers should pitch every 5 days. Given our health and off days there should be No more bullpen days at this time. Sometimes the best move a good manager (?) makes is to do nothing — simply let the hot hand keep playing. India should stay lead off. Maile and Wynn’s are both 33 year old right handers. Bell will check with Maile, and Maile will say he’s good to go, so Maile will start. Wynn does look faster! Most of all I LOVE seeing Elly watch India’s shortened swing, put bat on b all approach and duplicating it. Unfortunately, after our big inning, you could see Eli going back to his big swing ways trying to get at home run as part of hitting the cycle. Let’s beat the Cards again!

  11. Andrew Brewer

    I got no idea what the Reds will do tomorrow (Sunday), but they have won 2 out of 3 so far against the Cards. Looks like momentum is building to me. And I’m ready for another surge of success. Marte’ needs to learn some discipline at the plate. And sometimes that takes a while. Good hitting is contagious, and this team has shown that they can do it !

    • JayTheRed

      Marte looked pretty wild on those swings for sure today.

  12. Ted Alfred

    “I’m also curious to see if Wynns gets a spot on the bench tomorrow after a three-double performance today.”

    It’s not a big mystery why guys don’t get hot on this team. A lot of it is because Bell and his constant tinkering can’t leave it alone when it’s going well. For instance, he’s resisted moving India out of the top of the order for now and India is scorching hot for a nice stretch….mainly because Friedl’s injury tied his hands and he isn’t available. C’mon David, go with the hot hand and play Wynns tomorrow. What do you have to lose with the way the season has gone in these same circumstances on Sundays with a chance to win series….over and over and over. The problem is that goes against his every instinct. I will bet you dollars to donuts Maile is starting tomorrow Wynns is sitting. And this goes back to the biggest problem with David bell. He doesn’t have a good natural instincts…a feel for the ebb and flow to make more of the right decisions over the course of a season.

    • earmbrister

      I wouldn’t be surprised to see Maile at catcher and Wynns at DH, with Martini taking a seat.

      • Mark Moore

        Last game for one of them. Paternity Leave is 3 games max.

      • Tom Mitsoff

        Maile isn’t going anywhere. He has a multi-year contract.

      • Mauired

        Actually Tom, Maile has a club option next year for 3.5 million with a 500k buyout. He’s been terrible so there should be no reason to pickup the option. If they were serious about winning this year they would designate him for assignment and go with Wynns. He’s a walking 0-4.

      • earmbrister

        Wynns is not an upgrade offensively or defensively. Yeah, you could save some money in the future, but you wouldn’t be improving the team.

      • Mauired

        Did you watch the game yesterday?

        Wynns had 3 doubles. Maile has 3 doubles all year. Hitting .188. It’s not hard to be better than that.

        People love to overrate Mailes glove to excuse his terrible bat. He has thrown out one runner this year. He’s not Johnny Bench out there.

        I think people are just in love with having a local guy on the team.

      • earmbrister

        Maui, I’m not talking about ONE game. Wynn is not an upgrade either offensively or defensively. They’re very similar players.

        As for throwing out runners, Maile’s thrown out TWELVE runners this year, not one. Percentage wise CS it’s 30% LM and 29% AW.

        At the end of the day, Maile knows the pitching staff much better.

      • Mauired

        The Reds lose every game Maile plays. Can’t imagine he’s having such a big impact on the pitching staff but again it’s an obscure way to make a bad player seem good. He’s a good leader. He’s good with the pitching staff. He’s a good guy. Who cares if the Reds can’t win a game when he plays.

    • redfanorbust

      Hey Ted. I try not to get too involved one way or the other in the posts that criticize Bell. What I do point out from time to time is that if you want to dig deep, ownership hires him, gives him extensions and signs his paychecks. If they can’t or won’t see his many alleged flaws and do something about it then the problem is with ownership and not Bell IMHO.

  13. Mike W

    Teddy A, I’ve said the same for 3 years and agree with you 100%.

    In addition, just because you were a player (and your Dad was a player, and…) doesn’t mean you’d be a good manager. I’m retired now but had 23,000 employees, have a degree in Psychology from USC, and have watched 90% of all Red’s games the last 4 years. Bell is not an above average manager (just look at his record). I don’t know how to slide or throw a curve ball, but that’s what coaches are for. I know how to “manage male athletes”. To get them believing in themselves and their abilities. To get the most from whomever the GM gives me to win games. And I’s charge Zero unless we got in the playoffs.

    • RedlegScott

      Are you willing to come out of retirement to manage the Reds?

      • Mike W

        Yes, RedlegScott, it’s the ONLY job I would.

    • RedlegScott

      Hired! (You could only do better than what’s in place now.)

  14. Kevin H

    1 game left vs Cardinals,
    3 vs Yankees
    3 vs Tigers
    4 vs Rockies
    3 vs Marlins

    So 14 games left before all star break and a chance for this team to put together a solid win streak, or at least go 10-4. Then after the break they play the National So we will find out who this team is after this stretch. Buyers or Sellers

    • Mauired

      Or neither like last year. It’s probably going to be to expensive as buyers but maybe a waiver pickup later like Bader and Renfroe.

      • Rob

        Sadly, but you very well could be correct. But those guys don’t move the dial. Just like Nick and the Reds to claim that they tried.

        My response as a fan would be why waste your organization’s money (nickels and dimes) on journeymen? Are these guys any better than Fairchild or Dunn or Hurtubise? Not really. Just a prelude to the normal August/September push-back of many fans of why not play the young guys? This is what Reds Nation has become accustomed to.

      • Mauired

        I think we saw the new way of summer baseball moves last year. Not many teams with the new playoff format are out of the race by the trade deadline so I think there will be less players moved. However 30 days later more teams are out of it like Angels last year and they just will put their free agents on waivers and let them go to contenders.

    • Still a Red

      Have to avoid that post-All Star slump we are famous for.

  15. GreatRedLegsFan

    The more unlikely stat: Wynns’ three doubles in his debut.

  16. Old-school

    Great job by Spiers( Dave Ct tried to tell us).
    Great job Jon India. Im a big fan. That $3 mil 2024 and $5 mil 2025 proactive contract is looking great for the Reds.

    Injuries and regressions by young players make it mandatory to keep proven professional hitters around and Candelario and India give you 2 experienced guys. When everyone gets healthy, I think you slide Candy to DH and see what India can do at first base and LF. I thought he looked good at 1b the few games he was there although I like taller first baseman as a target. Steer is good at first base too.

    Cards dont impress me. They are spending $27 mil AAV on an aging Arenado( good call @ VA)thru 2027, $25 mil on Goldschmidt, Mikolas is guaranteed $18 mil AAV thru 2025, Contreras $18 AAV thru 2027 Matz is making another $12 mil in 2025. We all love Sonny gray but $35 mil in 2026? No way.

    Get the series win today.

    • GreatRedsLegsFan

      Agreed, always thought the Cards stuck with Molina and Wainwright just too much. Now they have such an aging and expensive roster with Arenado, Goldsmith, Gray, Lynn and others. A healthier Reds roster should easily gets them.

    • Rob

      The 2024 Cards are in the early stages of an undecided rebuild. Gone are ONeill, Hicks, Hudson,Molina, Wainwright, etc. Young, fresh pieces include Burleson, Winn, Gonzalez, and Walker. It is not and will not be easy or popular to part with Goldsmith, Arenodo, or Contreas. The Gray pick up is a curious one especially considering his salary and injury history. I like the 1 year of Montas much, much better.

      I think the Reds are a better team currently and much better positioned over the longer term. Give me the Reds farm system, and the Cards desire to spend and win, and I could guarantee I could get the Reds into the playoffs for several consecutive years. The Cards will be an interesting watch in July. Do they trade youth and spend money to improve the team? Can’t see it. More likely imo is to trade valuable performers like Gray, Contreas, et al for prospects. Much more likely is to do little and hope this magic act continues into October and then evaluate.

  17. SR

    What’s the odds on Bell sitting India Sunday to give him a rest? This is usually where he sits somebody down because it’s their turn, especially given our possibility of winning a series.

    • Mauired

      What are the odds Bell sends 3 guys to the bench since its Sunday and those games are meaningless.

  18. VaRedsFan

    Elly declines a Home Run Derby Invitation.

    I think we all want to see him skip it and do it at the same time.
    People think it messes with your stroke.
    Maybe it does? Maybe it doesn’t?

    Usually a short, quick, compact, swing does well in these things.
    He has a longer swing with a leg kick.

    Who knows, maybe it could help him.

    From an entertaining point of view, it would be a must watch.

    One day maybe, but not this year.

    • redfanorbust

      I personally wish there was no all star games, home run derbies and the like. Teams spend countless millions on these players and millions of fans want to see their star players healthy and rested as much as possible playing for things that matter. From an entreatment standpoint yeah it’s fun to watch but IMHO it is not worth the risk.

  19. Mark A Verticchio

    Maile starting today, no surprise with Bell as a manager. Today is a big game the best line up should be playing.

    • west larry

      Yes, Austin Wynn only had three doubles yesterday. Why would take a chance and play him for one more game before Stevenson returns? I guess the reds will ship him back to AAA without giving him another at bat. Bell knows things…maybe he knows he won’t get another hit if he plays him today.

      • west larry

        With Benson and Maile, you have two guys in the line up batting less than .200. I hope the reds win anyway. Go reds!

    • Kevin H

      And Wynns could strike out 3 times , however I agree he came in and got 3 hits. So why not go with hot hand. Typical

      • Jim t

        One game represents a hot hand? What was hot was the 90 degree temperature he played in.

    • VaRedsFan

      It might be that Hunter and Luke have game planned for the match up.

      • Redsvol

        Send benson down. Keep wynns up till all star break.

        We have enough outfielders on the active roster. And no, I don’t want to hear how this leaves us short handed against right handed pitchers. Our outfielders stink equally against both righties and lefties.

    • Tony Cloninger

      True story. In 1986 Wade Rowdon came up and had 4 doubles against the Mets one game. Did Rose just play the hot hand or use common sense to know one hot game does not negate how good a player is? Or how hot it is in STL while playing catcher?

      Rose I guess didn’t know stuff either.

      Bell screws up on who he uses as a DH. His batting order at times. That stuff and his to laid back on fundamentals are annoying. Not sure how this is such an outrage or not expected? That he doesn’t start a career minor league catcher the next day after one game.

  20. Mike Adams

    Bell’s thought on lineup for today:
    Who does this rookie think he is? Showing up vets with 3 doubles and putting pressure on me to play him more? Well, that will be enough of that.”
    Hence Maile or Stephenson at catcher.

    • Tony Cloninger

      Stephenson is on maternity leave. It’s over 100 degrees or at that and he plays Catcher. It’s expected not to play unless you’re Bench or Rodriguez. Quit using straw man arguments to grind on Bell and save it for the obvious stuff. If you don’t think what Winn did is just an outlier you’re fooling yourself.

    • Oldtimer

      What a (choose your word) comment. Utterly ridiculous.

    • Jim t

      Wynns is 33. Our you saying he is a rookie?

  21. Ron

    Trade idea. 3B Sal Stewart, SS Sammy Stafura and Will Benson to Oakland for Brent Rooker. Too much or not enough? Potential lineup:
    2B India
    1B Steer
    SS Elly
    LF Rooker
    DH Candelario
    C Stephenson
    RF Fraley
    3B Marte
    CF Friedl

    • redfanorbust

      Interesting. I don’t know enough about Stewart and Stafura to make an educated opinion at the moment but what happens when we get back McLain and CES to this line up this year/next year?

      • Mauired

        Probably 2 or the top 5 Reds prospects the way they are playing this year. Both super young drafted back to back years as Reds second draft pick.

    • Rob

      Rooker is 29 years old with 1.5 years of mlb sample size. I would put this n the category of fairly high risk. He is having a plus year with 15 HRs and 265 BA. Strikeouts don’t bother me but has over 100 at this point.

      1 top 10 prospect and 1 top 25 prospect sounds about right to me but I would also expect a more aggressive team to offer more. Benson might be a good throw in but he really doesn’t have a lot of trade value at a 190 BA and only 1 good year of production.

      I am all in favor of trading prospects for a big bat. But if it were me, I would want a bigger sample size and bigger production. ONeill, Robert, Bellinger, etc.