Jaren Duren robbed Stuart Fairchild of a game-tying home run in the ninth inning to help lead the Boston Red Sox over the Cincinnati Reds, 4-3, before 31,803 at Great American Ball Park.

Final R H E
Boston Red Sox (41-36) 4 9 0
Cincinnati Reds (36-40)
3 11 1
W: Z. Kelly (2-1) L: Wilson (1-1) SV: Jansen (14)
Statcast | Box Score | Game Thread

Cincinnati led the game 3-0 after four innings, but Boston scored the final four runs of the game, with the game-winner coming in the top of the eighth. Questionable baserunning, a recurring theme for this team, cost them opportunities to score more in the middle innings.

With the loss, the Reds are currently tied for fourth (and last) in the National League Central Division, eight games behind Milwaukee, which plays later tonight at San Diego.

The Offense

Cincinnati’s composite box-score line today: 11-for-37, one walk and only eight strikeouts — an unusually low number for this team. But it wasn’t enough on this day.

After Jeimer Candelario’s two-out first-inning infield single off pitcher Nick Pavetta’s gluteus medius muscle, Spencer Steer followed with a missile into the left-field upper deck to give Cincinnati the early 2-0 lead.

Then in the third inning, Elly De La Cruz took care of a Pavetta hanging, spinning curve up in the strike zone, dispatching it halfway up the moon deck in right field to give Cincinnati a 3-0 lead.

In the bottom of the fifth, T.J. Friedl and De La Cruz hit consecutive one-0ut singles to right off Pavetta, putting Reds runners on first and third. Boston Manager Alex Cora then called upon lefthander Brennan Bernardino to turn Candelario around to hit from the right side of the plate. Candelario hit a grounder to shortstop, which David Hamilton threw home to record the tag-out of Friedl. De La Cruz was then picked off second to end that threat.

An inning later, the Reds found themselves in an identical situation. One-out back-to-back singles by Jake Fraley and Jonathan India put runners on first and third with one out. Nick Martini then tapped one in front of the plate, and Fraley broke for home despite there not being a force. He was easily tagged out by catcher Connor Wong. Luke Maile then struck out to again leave two runners on base.

In the bottom of the eighth, Fraley reached on a one-out single to center against veteran righty reliever Chris Martin. India grounded out to first, which moved Fraley to second with two out. But Martini struck out swinging to end the inning.

Boston closer Kenley Jansen retired the first two batters in the ninth, including Jaren Duren robbing Stuart Fairchild of a potential game-tying home run by jumping at the centerfield wall. Friedl then dropped a single into center field, giving De La Cruz a chance as the winning run. But he popped out to left field to end the game.

De La Cruz led the offense with a 3-for-5 performance, including the solo homer.

The Pitching

Reds’ pitchers composite line: 9 innings, nine hits allowed, one walk and six strikeouts, along with the four runs allowed, all earned.

Starter Frankie Montas was the pitch-efficiency poster child today, dealing only 56 pitches through five innings. The only damage done during that time was a fifth-inning solo shot to center by Boston’s Dominic Smith. Of those first 56 pitches, 40 were strikes (71 percent). During the first five innings, Montas walked only one hitter.

In the sixth, Boston struck for a run on back-to-back one-out doubles by Wilyer Abreu and Connor Wong to close within 3-2, but Montas responded by popping up Rafael Devers and striking out Enmanuel Valdez to preserve the one-run lead. At the end of the sixth, Montas was still at a very efficient 72 pitches, but Manager David Bell pulled him in favor of Sam Moll with Boston scheduled to send three straight lefthanded batters to the plate in the seventh. Moll retired the side, which included two righthanded pinch-hitters, in order.

Justin Wilson came on to start the eighth, and Ceddanne Rafaela reached on an infield hit, advancing to second on a subsequent throwing error by Candelario at third base. Duren then chopped one over Candelario’s head for a single, sending Rafaela to third. Pinch-hitter Rob Refsnyder then poked one to right to score Rafaela and send Duren to third. None of the three balls hit against Wilson were hit exceptionally hard, but they got the job done.

With the score tied and nobody out in the top of the eighth, Lucas Sims came on in hopes of recording a strikeout or two to prevent further scoring. Wong struck out swinging, but Devers hit a sacrifice fly to left, scoring Duran to give Boston a 4-3 lead.

Buck Farmer pitched a scoreless ninth inning.

One Fan’s Thoughts

With his .347 / .351 / .736 / 1.087 (before today) June performance, Candelario is suddenly making his free-agent signing look like it might be one of the steals of the off-season. I don’t want to get too far ahead of myself, because we are talking about a player with a .243 career batting average before joining the Reds.

But after a very inconsistent first two months of the season, we’re also seeing signs that maybe Montas is shaping into the type of upper-tier starter the Reds’ front office and fan base was hoping for. In June, opposing hitters were batting only .200 against him prior to today’s game. His eight walks in 13 innings before today have been his kryptonite this month, but only one walk today was a very good sign.

If Montas can become a starter who can be relied upon for at least a quality start every time out, you have some very serious pitching prowess that this team can run out against any team. I stated a few weeks back that the only way this team is going to achieve anything this season is if the starting pitching puts the team on its back.

Don’t forget, Montas pitched only a handful of innings last year. An inconsistent start to this season following surgery was to be expected. Get this guy to the level where you can truly count on him and things change dramatically for this team’s potential  fortunes.

Up Next for the Cincinnati Reds

Boston Red Sox at Cincinnati Reds

Sunday, June 23, 1:40 p.m. ET

TBD vs. Nick Lodolo (8-2, 2.76 ERA)

128 Responses

  1. Ksdavis

    Cincinnati area media continue to be so so about what would happen if the Reds fired Bell. Yet the Reds continue to play terrible fundamental baseball. Earlier this year against the Giants national broadcaster called out the Reds after they had three runners thrown out. Two days prior Larkin had called out EDLC on a steal attempt. Today base running was little league level and Larkin called the Reds out multiple times today. The Cowboy has called the Reds out this week for lack of fundamentals. At the end of the game Larkin stated the Reds had to tighten things up soon if they wanted to be winners. The season is almost three months old. When will someone be held accountable? It is time to n m take a change.

    • Ted Alfred

      Way past time. Look at the Indians with a good manager who is pushing the right buttons. Cleveland’s team is not more talented than the Reds…they just play fundamentally sound, superior baseball and their manager makes good decisions on a game by game basis.

  2. Harry Stoner

    A reckless team, molded in the image of a clueless manager.

    Even with the injuries, there’s far too much talent on the team to be playing the way they are.

    But Bell is oblivious and incapable of critical self assessment and it trickles down from there.

    Maybe Greene, Lodolo, Abbott, and Montas should start a protest movement?

  3. Jedi Joey

    It really is unfortunate to read how this one got away from them today. Here’s hoping for a bounce back win tomorrow to take the series.

    • mac624

      Very little fight in the team and goofing around in the dugout shows this team is in trouble. They may be “tight”, but someone needs to hold them accountable internally. I highly doubt they win again this homestand. Just not taking it serious at all. Once EDLC got picked off and then goofed around in the dugout, I turned it off. Not only does this team need to get healthy, but they also need to grow up, if they want any chance at sniffing the playoffs anytime soon. They are showing their lack of maturity now and that’s a more troubling sign than the injuries.

  4. Mark A Verticchio

    As much as I would like to think this team can make a 2nd half playoff run, with Bell in charge I just don’t see it. After Thursdays game the season will be 1/2 way over at 81 games. I thought back in April, with all the problems 40, or at least 39, wins at mid season would be somewhat acceptable, they now need to win at least 3 of the next 5, hopefully 4, to reach that win total. With Bell running the show I am not very confident.

  5. Mark Moore

    Saw enough of the miscues to say …

    Stink. Fish. Pot!!!!

  6. Randoxu1

    The manager holds no one accountable for any mental mistakes during the game and that is why it continues. The front office won’t change anything because they owe Bell money. Same mistakes by the same players and it never changes. ” We are who we are”. That about sums it up. Sad.

  7. Jeff Morris

    Reds had 11 hits, but only 3 runs. Reds need to take a chance and get a big bat to play DH or the outfield. Fairchild (even though he was robbed in the 9th) Martini, or Benson is not the long term answer. They need a big bat like Castellouness or Schwarber, someone like that.

    • Melvin

      I’d say they need a big bat. Candy should have the DH spot pretty much every game.

      • Tom Mitsoff

        Agreed. I thought earlier that he was showing OK at third base, but that hasn’t held up. He’s best as a DH.

      • jmb

        Well, he has too many errors to play in the field.

    • JB WV

      Benson has became me a huge hole in the lineup, even hitting ninth. His k rate is ridiculous. If he has options it’s a good time to employ them.

      • MFG

        Agree JB WV, the Benson experiment should be over. He now struggles against both RH/LH pitching. Is he out of options?
        Agree with most of the comments about lack of fundamentals.
        They make way too many mistakes, mentally and physically.
        Bell is not going anywhere though because he just signed that extension.
        Does anyone know why Buddy Bell left?

    • Dan

      This is amazing they need an outfielder that can hit. I can’t believe they keep letting their outfielders play Fredo I can watch the other guys you can play defense but you still have to hit.

    • jon

      Candy needs to be the DH his def. is horrendous.Marte is better at 3rd but he can’t hit AAA pitchers right now.

    • Ted Alfred

      Speaking to big bats, they better not screw up this draft and take a P. They need to take one of the two big bats with the #2 pick… whichever of the big two hitters the Indians don’t take.

      Don’t over think this and do something dumb

      • JB WV

        Agree Ted. Of course, this season has been frustrating with McClain, CES, and Marte mostly absent along with Arroyo not being able to progress. Bats MIGHT already be there but too big of a risk not to take one of the sluggers at #2

  8. JB

    I try to watch the other teams broadcast and here what they have to say about the Reds. Today it was not pretty. Matter of fact yesterday wasn’t either. Cincinnati’s own Kevin Youkilis was one of the announcers and he and the other guy ripped the Reds continuously. They said Tampa Bay is aggressive on the base paths and the Reds are not. He said the Reds are easily the worst team he has seen on the base paths. Now he knows what we see every night. The amount of times the Reds ran themselves out of possible runs this series just blew their minds. You can have all the guys you want come back to the team but that doesn’t clean up the fundamentals and bone head plays this team constantly makes. You can have the best pitching staff in the league but they don’t hit or run the bases.

  9. Indy Red Man

    Reds baserunning? Cue the Benny Hill intro and put a video together showing all this stupidity. You’d have pay a whole team OT, but it would be funny. Fraley? It has to be atleast the 5th-6th time this season that’s he just gives up because he’s out by a ‘n mile. Ridiculous. Cruz isn’t available so maybe stretch out Moll to atleast face lefty Duran or how bout Farmer?

    Farmer allows .225
    Wilson allows .313

    This team is too dumb to compete. Too many teams to deal with that don’t beat themselves. Common sense should tell Fraley you get a walking lead and if the guy pivots and throws to first then take a shot otherwise hold tight. And Elly? Nobody say a word because the inmates run this prison. Don’t actually instruct or discipline anyone

    • Harry Stoner

      “This won’t change who we are!”

      Cue the next segment of Bell’s mumbling.

    • jmb

      Wilson simply has to go. Where’s Young?

      • Tom Martello

        Wasting away in AAA with 18 appearances and a 1.50 ERA. The call is obvious.

  10. Erik the Red

    Watching this over and over I have come to the conclusion the players, coaches, manager, and front office are absolutely clueless. A player can have a ton of athletic talent, however you still need to play smart. Even Friedl was looking back at the short stop when he was thrown out at home. It would not have mattered but if you are committed to go home then go. We are wasting a lot of decent starting pitching.

    • Ted Alfred

      It really seems like they need to have a basic base-running tutorial on an off day to make sure the players 100% understand the game situation on the bases. If you’re going home, quit looking backwards at whoever’s fielding the ball because it doesn’t matter!!!!

      I still can’t believe the play last week against the Brewers where Fairchild is the tying run on 2nd base with two outs…and he’s looking back at the CF as he’s getting a SLOW start from the base at contact….mind-boggling. There’s not another team in major league baseball that would not have tied the game up in that exact same scenario.. only the Reds

  11. DK in Erie PA

    Just think, according to many on this site, the Reds without Bell would now be 76-0. Cmon and fire the guy already. He’s obviously holding this team with limitless talent back!

    • Harry Stoner

      Nah.

      You’re not even close.

      Not even a good try.

      This kind of weak, knee jerk response from Bell apologists has been debunked long ago.

      As constructed, this is not yet a 1st place team.

      But the Reds could be 3 to 5 games over .500 with a competent manager.

      At least.

  12. Indy Red Man

    You could put Espinal at 3B late with a lead. These aren’t really advanced concepts either

    • Dan

      I can’t believe this is what I thought when I was watching the game last night. Why don’t the Reds put players in positions in the eighth ending to win games

    • Ted Alfred

      You would think you’ve seen enough of Candelario’s terrible defense at 3rd base all year to automatically make that move up one-run in the 8th… but I guess not

  13. Jim Walker

    The play which scored the eventual winning run was also a classic. There has to be a standing team rule about what the fielder does if a fly ball is clearly going to fall foul.

    I’d think the rule would be to let the ball fall foul if the runner is tagging unless you are confident you can throw him out. Certainly that would be the play in a walkoff situation. Maybe having a 2nd base runner changes the dynamic in the situation today with the home side having 6 outs remaining?

    • Oldtimer

      Thankfully George Foster caught the foul ball and threw the runner out at home in 1975 WS.

      • Jim Walker

        Yeah but that play just set things up for Pudge an inning or several later. But we got the last laugh the next night. 😉

      • Oldtimer

        We lose earlier if he doesn’t make the play.

        Truth be told, Reds lucky to win 1975 WS. Jim Rice out with injury. If not for that, I think the Reds may have lost in 1975 despite super talent.

    • DK in Erie Pa

      Fairchild was about 220’ from the plate! If he can’t throw anyone out from there he better hit like Bonds instead of throw like him

      • Jim Walker

        I thought Larkin presented both sides fairly. He pointed out it was a tough throwing angle on the one hand and on the other that Fairchild was not aggressive with the throw (I presume this means Larkin thought the ball should have been air mailed to the plate as opposed to throwing through the cut off. And incidentally there did not seem to be a cut off man in position).

        As a guy who was a catcher, I can attest both of these are true on a play like that. It takes touch like a quarterback getting a pass in between defenders to get the ball cleanly to the catcher because the throw has to come down the line and get by the runner for the catcher to have a chance.

    • BuzzKutter

      It was not a deep fly ball. He should have been able to make a throw to the catcher that never touched the ground. I believe he thought there would be no tag on it. With anybody else that would be true but it was Duran. They should have anticipated them being aggressive.

      • Melvin

        Pretty much a re-post from today’s thread regarding Fairchild saying he couldn’t see home plate because Candy was in his way.

        As Sam pointed out. The throw should have gone to the cut off (Candy) as if Fairchild was going to throw it as hard as he can through him instead of trying to throw it around Candy. It’s Candy’s job to line up between Fairchild and home plate. It’s the catchers job to tell him (Candy) to let it go through or not. Poor execution of fundamentals again I’m afraid. Maybe some of these guys DON’T know how to play and need to be taught as crazy at that sounds. I don’t know.

      • jon

        I was surprised the runner went it was so shallow.

    • Harry Stoner

      India has made it pretty clear that Bell doesn’t bring this type of rigor to the team.

      They’re winging it and clearly not coming up with the answers on their own.

      Fairchild and Fraley are in La La Land and nobody is providing any guidance or apparently any feedback.

      Bell’s mumbled excuses fit perfectly in a team ethos apparently unwilling to critically assess their own performance.

      Fairchild reacted the same blasé way after making the grab while McCutcheon was TOOTBLAN-ing his way around the bases.

      Is it Stephenson’s job to take control of a clueless team?

    • Jeremiah

      That seemed like such a weak throw from Fairchild, or a very nonchalant type of throw. He’s made some great plays this year, but that was not one of them. Very sunny day, I don’t know maybe he was a little thrown off by the sun, but it didn’t seem too far out and I think he has an above average arm, so just surprised the weakness on that throw from him.

      • Jim walker

        On one replay angle it looked like the umpire might have also had an impact on the play. He was a straddling the foul line an looked to be relatively close to Fairchild and instead of just hitting the dirt as the catch was made he ducked a bit and jumped across the foul line and path of the throw.

        Things are not always as easy as they look like they should be. On the other hand these guys players, coaches, and umps are supposedly the world’s best and we expect that from them.

      • CharlieE

        I saw above that Fairchild said he couldn’t see home plate, so has he never played left field before? Pretty sure home plate does not move, he was just off the foul line. He made no effort to get behind the throw to get, I saw a stat post on-line the velocity on the throw from just over 200 feet from the plate on an actual play on the plate, was the one of the lowest velocity throws all year from the outfield. Honestly, the lack of basic fundamentals this team has, and continues to have for like, what 4 seasons now, is just embarrassing. I wonder if there is a common thread there.

    • Tar Heel Red

      It is plainly obvious that this team has no understanding of fundamentals of any kind. Fairchild didn’t think the runner was going to tag, so he through to the third base bag. Only then did the Reds realize that Juran was, in fact, tagging up and let the ball go through. Otherwise how can one explain a two-hop throw to home from roughly 220 feet? You can’t!
      – Elly gets picked off again! How many times must this happen before he realizes that he simply can’t outrun every play at this level?
      – Benson continues to play even though he leads the universe in strikeouts while otherwise contributing nothing
      – I can’t blame Fraley and Friedl for the “go on contact plays”. This play in not a player option…it is always called from the bench. The current manager loves this, but it rarely works, especially when the ball is hit to the first or third basemen who guard against it.
      In short, all of these things are the manager’s responsibility to correct/address.
      David Bell is, apparently, incapable of doing so and has completely lost control of this team (assuming he really ever had any) and should be fired immediately.However, we all know what will happen, so…

    • Ted Alfred

      The problem with that play was that was the weakest throw I think I’ve seen from an outfielder in a longbtime. He had all his momentum going to home on a pop to short LF with a direct line to the plate, but he threw a super weak two hopper with nothing on it when it got to the plate. I don’t know if that’s his normal arm strength or if that was just a bad throw in his part but I would normally be in favor of the LF catching that ball there because I think most left fielders throw the guy out at the plate

  14. Jim Walker

    Friday night Larkin said in the opening that sometimes things reach a point where a “drastic change” is needed to “get every one on the same end of the rope pulling in the same direction”. Then he followed with the strong closing today about understanding the difference in competing and playing with an expectation of winning.

    If he he not suggesting a change in the manager’s office, tell me what he is suggesting? Add in some of Brantley’s recent comments; and, it sounds like the knives are out for Bell from the 2 guys associated with the team who might have the greatest impact in moving opinion inside and outside the organization in that direction.

    I guess my question is whether Krall has signed off on what they are saying in advance.

    • Melvin

      Sam has made some pointed statements lately as well.

      • Jim Walker

        Thanks, I have typically had my fill and more by the post game 🙂

    • Harry Stoner

      There’s not much firm ground for Bell apologists to stand on right now.

      The ‘injury factor’ which has inured him from criticism is irrelevant in the face of poor play night after night….which is becoming the calling card of the team.

      The standard RLN retort: “You’ve never managed an MLB team!” is more pathetic than ever.

      Krall has walked away from bigger contracts than Bell’s.

      I doubt that is the issue.

      Can’t help but think he’s having his Hamlet moment and is immobilized with indecision.

      Can’t trade his prospects, can’t sideline the owner’s shil as manager.

      Or maybe he’s as self-deluded as Bell?

      Broadcasters are calling out the Reds’ sloppy play on TV, radio and internet.

      How long can Bell and Krall remain clueless about it?

      • Jim Walker

        I’d think the PoBO *should* be able to call his boss and “Hey, just giving you advance heads up that my staff and I have determined we are making a change in the manager position for the good of the team. The interim manager will be (whomever). When do you want to meet to discuss our search for our “permanent” replacement.”

      • Melvin

        “When do you want to meet to discuss our search for our “permanent” replacement.”

        Big Bob in response, “I’ve got a better idea. When do you want to meet to discuss YOUR replacement”? 😀

      • Jim Walker

        @Melvin> and if Big Bob told him that, he should be happy to spend his next x number of months/ years enjoying life on Big Bob’s dime till his contract ended

      • Melvin

        haha Wouldn’t be surprised even so. Under that scenario someone will get paid for doing nothing unless they somehow stay in the organization. 🙂

      • TR

        The factor that keeps the inevitable management change from occurring is that Reds attendance, so far, is good at 25,279 average per game. That’s better than Cleveland, who leads the ALC by a good margin. But I think the Reds media people, who really want to win, will cause needed change to happen if the Reds do not make the playoffs and do well.

    • Jeremiah

      That is interesting as I thought Larkin was rarely critical of the team. I wonder if Larkin would really be really considered as the Manager if they relieve Bell at some point? Not sure he’s angling in that direction, just curious.

      I wonder what Marty Brennamen would be saying about the Reds at times? Ha boy that’d be interesting!

      • Melvin

        He would say what he believes at least.

      • Jim Walker

        Larkin might accept an offer to be interim manager; however, my guess is if he has any long term interest beyond broadcasting, it would be as a GM or PoBO.

        I would not discount he would interested in pulling a Jeter by finding some deep pockets and cobbling together a syndicate to purchase the Reds or another’s team with himself as the public face and day to day head kahuna of the operation.

    • Ted Alfred

      My question is is it really Krall who has to sign off? I really don’t think so

  15. Melvin

    I don’t know what others think but it’s become pretty apparent to me that Candelario cannot be trusted in the field especially in a close game. Obviously he’s our hottest hitter so he cant’ be taken out of the lineup nor should he be pinch run for, nor be replaced for a better defensive player late in the game when we still might need his bat. The DH is the only solution. Fortunately the NL has it now as it wouldn’t have been an option too many years ago. Assuming TS wasn’t available, with the players we had available today, the best idea would have been Candy @ DH, Expinal @ 3B, Martini replaces Benson in LF….or Fairchild if you prefer. That’s the best we could have done today with what we had in my view.

    • jmb

      Martini, Fairchild, and Benson all have to go.

      • MFG

        Agree jmb, they are hurting this team. Fairchild could stick as an extra outfielder. The other 2 need to go. Are the Reds thinking Marte coming back will save their season or something?

  16. BuzzKutter

    Last year it was “This is a young team and next year is when we will be contending. Now it will be “There are injuries and suspensions holding them back”. Every other team seems to manage through that.

    Last year we couldn’t trade any of the prized prospects. Prized prospects are like milk. If you wait too long they may spoil. Ala Senzel and that SS we could never trade until he became worthless.

  17. Jason Franklin

    I am really, really hoping that Marte gets back up here as soon as he can. I know he may need some extra time to get his swing back to form, but man, we cannot have Candy playing 3rd base. Put Marte at 3rd and dump Candy into DH. Steer has done a pretty good job at dual positions (especially at first). If you have Candy and Elly at 3rd and short, that’s just a ticking timebomb of potential errors.

  18. Mark A Verticchio

    Melvin: That was my suggestion before the game started, not knowing that a Candy error would lead to the winning rally. I am no expert but that move just made sense with the way Benson is playing. He needs to be sent down yesterday. What are they
    waiting for? I bet Bell doesn’t make this obvious change tomorrow.
    On a positive note it is nice to see people starting to call out the poor fundamentals, they may not mention Bell’s name but everybody knows who they are talking about.
    Oh well, 36 and 40, last place, 7 and 1/2 out and 2 and 1/2 out of the wild card but trailing a boat load of teams. This season is slipping away. Hopefully Bell will go with it.
    I think most would happily take a losing season if it meant getting rid of Bell but that is not the case. He will be in our nightmares for a long time yet.

    • Ted Alfred

      As soon as they announced the Bell extension last year I really felt like the Reds were going to blow the next 2-3 years of this window of opportunity being managed by a guy who can’t lead them to the promised land.

      It is what it is.

  19. BuzzKutter

    Ahhh I remember the clamoring to get rid of (the toothpick) Baker. Maybe it’s not the manager, GM, or owner. Maybe it’s (Us) the faithful that keep hoping for the 70s or that dream 90 season.

    We had our turn 34 freaking years ago. But I say….Come on Cincinnati you can do better!

    • Oldtimer

      The Reds have won 5 WS.

      Ever.

      The Reds have been an MLB team (or equivalent) since 1882.

      That’s 141 seasons (through 2023).

      5 out of 141 is pretty similar % to 1 out of 33 years (1991 through 2023).

      • Still a Red

        How many gas Pittsburg won. How many has Cleveland won
        How many have the Phillies won. How many have the Tigers won. How many have the Cubs won.

  20. Melvin

    The way I see it there are three guys who could/should be sent down. They are Benson, Martini, and Wynns. Marte takes one of their spots. I keep on going back to Jordan and Soto. What exactly do we have to lose in bringing up two .300 hitters from AAA especially since they’ve both played most everywhere in their careers? They may flop but who knows? They may provide a spark. I’ve watched them a little and the do at least look the part of knowing how to hit. Their numbers so far this year back that up. Soto even bats left which David Bell would love.

    https://www.milb.com/player/livan-soto-670869

    https://www.milb.com/player/levi-jordan-682119

    Jordan by the way today is hitting leadoff. He already has two hits. His average is now up to .304 with an OPS of .830. Burdick, the guy who he would be taking his 40 man roster spot, is hitting .191. By the way Jordan has played TODAY both 2B AND LF.

  21. Ted Alfred

    Let’s put it this way:do you think the Reds would have a better record with a better manager who is making more consistently good decisions and has this team playing more sound fundamental baseball without all if the constant mental mistakes??

    Do you think the Indians would have the record they do with David Bell managing them???

    • BuzzKutter

      Injuries aside because the pitching is pretty healthy and our farm system was so good and deep we couldn’t move anyone. Yes the record would be better with a competent manager and the team in Cleveland would never take him.

      I gave him a chance but this year all I hear in my head is ba na na ban nah na nah (circus music).

    • Longtimefan

      Elly had 2 more tootblans today giving him 15 for the year. How many of those does he have to have before he realizes that he is in the big leagues now and he can’t simple outrun everybody on every play. Him and the Reds as a team are the worst baserunning team in baseball. They have no instincts. Elly has tremendous ability but after awhile you have to weigh his negatives against his positives. He is still very young but he hit around .230 last year and he is hitting about .230 this year and he leads all of baseball in errors and strikeouts. Those are not stats that I would be proud of. Can we please quit hearing how great he is until he actually is. Benson is striking out 45% of his at bats. How can he still be playing everyday in the big leagues. His kryptonite is fastballs 95 and above and everybody throws 95 and above nowadays so I don’t see that improving anytime soon. He is simply overmatched at the plate. It’s a shame to keep wasting quality starts from our starters with putrid offense.

      • Beaufort Red

        +1000
        Especially EDLC and Benson

      • VaRedsFan

        Elly got picked off 2nd.
        What was the other one? Fake news.

      • Ted Alfred

        Really simple yet accurate assessment.

      • Longtimefan

        In response to VaRedsFan and his fake news claim. I didn’t see the game but if you read the box score it says that Elly got picked off of 2nd and that he got caught stealing 3rd so I didn’t witness these things I was just going by what the box score said.

      • VaRedsFan

        He didn’t attempt to steal 2nd.

      • Longtimefan

        I didn’t say that he attempted to steal 2nd. I said that he got picked off 2nd and that he got caught stealing 3rd. This is according to the official box score of the game.

  22. Jeremiah

    First off, Tom I was in your hometown of Beavercreek, Ohio a lot today, Beavercreek is a great place! Keeps growing overall it seems.

    Just watched the highlights and a few thoughts;

    -Duran is like the Reds Friedl. Game-changer, while the Reds made some real mental errors, Duran basically won the game for the Red Sox.
    -Nice pitching by Montas, he’s been ok overall for the Reds overall. I’d like to think he still has another gear for the second half of the season.
    -Red Sox made several bad plays Friday night, and Reds aggressiveness hurt them. Today, Reds made several bad plays. The key is tomorrow! Reds need to take two of three.
    -Elly De La Cruz needs to know the moment there, you shouldn’t get picked off the play right after your teammate gets thrown out at home. I don’t know if Friedl wasn’t going home though, could they have turned a double play? I didn’t see the video highlight.
    -I’m ok with Fraley getting tagged out at home there…I thought that was a great play by the Catcher. Honestly didn’t think he’d turn around and try to get Fraley, but he got him easily.

    The problem though is when you add up the three base running plays, it looks like a pattern of not necessarily an undisciplined team…I think they are disciplined in that they are being very aggressive and sticking to that plan, but the pattern of a not too smart or wise team. They’re getting beat at their own game now by other teams who are countering their aggressiveness with readiness and smart play that seems to be tipping the scales against the Reds aggressiveness more so lately.

    I’m curious is the over aggressiveness a Bell philosophy, organizational wide, etc.?
    I will give credit that Bell said in one of his post game comments “When it doesn’t go our way, we have to find ways to get better.” It’s not the strongest comment, but at least he says they have to find ways to get better.

    • Jim Walker

      Yeah but as you said, if the plan is strategically flawed, no amount of tactical change can advance it beyond the flaws.

      • Jeremiah

        I’m curious would Friedl and Fraley have gone on their own on those two plays if just using their particular baseball instincts? I’m not sure how much of it is always be aggressive, run on contact, team philosophy, or giving more freedom to the players to be aggressive on their own, etc. Maybe they would still have gone, I’m not sure.

  23. Votto4life

    I’m afraid David Bell will remain the manager of the Reds for at least another year. To be honest though, I don’t see Bob Castellini allowing Nick Krall to fire David Bell, even if he was inclined to do so. I would not be surprised if David Bell finishes out his current contract and then is moved up stairs.

    I think Nick Krall is on thinner ice than David Bell. But I don’t think Krall is in danger of being fired.

    The Reds will be sellers at the trading deadline and that’s Nick Krall’s wheelhouse. Trading for major league talent, not so much.

    It will be interesting to see what the Reds will do in the off-season. I suspect the Castellinis will chalk up 2024 to injuries.

    The Reds won’t extend Montas (and shouldn’t). I would be surprised if Bob allows Krall to replace the $15 Million dollars they spent on Montas this season.

    I don’t expect Martinez or Pagan will opt out. I’m not sure what Suter’s contract status actually is, but I do hope he will be back next season.

    Overall, I suspect the payroll will be slightly lower in 2025. I was surprised how much the Reds spent this past winter, so maybe they will surprise me again. But, I don’t think there will be any major purchases, unless the Reds move a contract or two.

    I expect the Reds will fare better in 2025, but suspect it will be 2026 before things start to come together.

    They do need to improve their fundamentals though. I don’t know what they are teaching these guys in the minor leagues. Their approach to situational baseball is plain awful.

    • LDS

      @V4L, no reason to spend or make changes. The Reds are on a pace to draw 2+ million fans. Castellini is making buckets of money. He’s rewarding the insiders. Life is good. Why change? Winning is not a priority. It never has been for Castellini. And apparently the fans are willing to spend to watch the young guys. So Big Bob is happy.

  24. LarkinPhillips

    Watching the college world series finals tonight and they said Charlie Condon from GA is projected to be taken #2 (reds pick). I hope we get that lucky. Dude hit 33 home runs and hit .433 playing in the SEC this year!

    • LDS

      Hopefully, he’s available and the Reds pick him. Though Krall going for Burns, previously at UT, wouldn’t necessarily surprise me, given the state of the Reds MILB pitching.

      • Votto4life

        I think it would be a terrible blunder to take Burns over Condon or Bazzana. Nothing against Burns, but pitchers are injuries waiting to happen. Charlie Condon would be the middle of the line up bat this team desperately needs.

        I get your point though LDS and it wouldn’t surprise me if Nick Krall passes on the obvious choice. If he passes on Condon or Bazzana this team is going to continue to flounder aimlessly for the foreseeable future.

      • Ted Alfred

        If they blow this and take a P instead of one of the two stud hitters they are moronic. It would be one thing if the P they could get was like a Paul Skeens, but that ain’t the case.

    • Melvin

      Bazzana wouldn’t bother me either.

  25. CFD3000

    I was at this game and it might be the most frustrating loss of the year (perhaps second behind the early game when Diaz gave up eleventy three runs in the 9th to cough up a big lead).

    Baserunning was awful. Situational hitting was awful. And some of Bell’s decisions were terrible. Wilson and Sims instead of Cruz and Farmer? Crus pitched to one batter last night after a day off, surely he was available. And Martini at DH? He looked helpless. Plus nothing but sitting and hoping with runners on first and third. Last night safety squeeze to perfection. Tonight no squeeze, no hit and run, no delayed steal, just poorly chosen contact plays that failed miserably.

    There was indeed some bad luck. On the Reds side a couple of hard hit balls were two feet from changing the outcome. India’s out in the 8th that advanced Fraley to second would have been a run scoring double two feet to either side – it was scorched. And of course two feet higher and Fairchild’s 9th inning blast ties the game. And on the Sox side at least two of the three balls Wilson gave up were lucky bounce or lucky direction hits.

    But the really frustrating thing I’m sure is that Bell will focus entirely on the luck side and ignore the deficient fundamentals, and nothing will change. This was a game the Reds should absolutely have won. And now it’s win tomorrow just to salvage 2 of 3, gaining one game on .500 instead of 3. Wasted opportunity. Very frustrating.

    One last thought on today’s game – Frankie Montas was good. If he’s rounding into form that will be big for the next 90 games. Until then I’m excited to see Nick Lodolo tomorrow. Go Reds!

  26. RedlegScott

    Last season, I was a Bell empathizer. This season, not even close, and I’m reflecting upon my naievete regarding last year. This is ridiculous.

      • RedlegScott

        Thanks, Ted. (I do find the whole situation somewhat humorous. On the other hand, I believe it’s time to bag Bell. What you guys have been saying about him has become crystal clear to me. No discipline whatsoever for starters. )

  27. gillsmith

    It’s pretty crazy how some people here whine obsessively about David Bell.They simply ignore the fact that the yeam has one of the worst 26 man rosters in mlb they would rather just keep whining

  28. west larry

    Moderator

    Don’t do this, Larry. We do not allow this discussion to be had here and you purposefully avoided using the words you know you aren’t allowed to say to try and start the discussion.

    • Doug Gray

      I have edited this comment and deleted the replies to it.

      We are not having this discussion here. Further attempts to have it will result in the loss of commenting privileges.

      • west larry

        Got it! It won’t happen again.

  29. Melvin

    Per Mark Sheldon on the Reds website:

    “The Reds are tied with the Cubs for most in the Majors with 33 outs on the bases this season. But they also lead all teams with 108 stolen bases. They entered the day tied for first in highest percentage of extra bases taken (49 percent). Entering the day, the club ranked second in stolen base attempts per game (1.76) and first in stolen bases per game (1.43).”

    Being aggressive on the bases is a great thing. However if they want to win, really win, they have to get smarter. It’s not an option. They can’t keep shooting themselves in the foot on a regular basis. Their offense is not nearly good enough to make up for it.

    • Still a Red

      Interesting stats..
      But need to consider percentages. If the also lead in percentage of success in stolen bases and taking extra bases then its hard to say they arent being “smart.” Could they be smarter…of course … you’d like to be successful 100% od the time. Now…getting picked off or trying to steal 3rd for the 3rd out are just not good decisions/awareness.

    • Rob

      I like the final paragraph and think it is on target. The Reds are an aggressive team – and rightfully so – and the stats above seem to point out that the aggression is generally paying off. But we as fans, me included, tend to harp on the little things because of the anemic offense and fine line around 1 run. If we had more offense, then the line would not be so fine. I don’t know what 1 more big bat gets us …..maybe an additional 6-8 wins over 162 games with this elite pitching and speed. But no doubt it is something and badly needed ….for us to contend for a playoff spot.

      However, I do not put Fraleys inept base running under the heading of aggression. That is under the heading of baseball smarts or heads up. He should have scored on that play or at the very least made the catcher and first baseman make perfect throws back to back to get him out. That would be aggression.

      And Fairchilds soft lob. Isn’t that baseball 102 that you practice every spring on a runner tagging from third in foul territory. And if we want to grant Bell or Fairchild a pass for that, then don’t pinch hit for your platoon LF. Players playing in unusual positions because of stupid platoons and a short bench. Trade Benson or Fraley and a couple of prospects and get yourself an everyday big bat OF in here. Robert would qualify. Arozerena probably. Bellinger. 850 -900 OPS guys. See what an extra 50 RBIs does for this club. The Red Sox have like 3-4 of these guys. We have 0.

      • Rob

        Nobody is holding him on third or near third. He has a generous lead. Bide your time until the C decides to throw to first. I don’t even know if the C can throw and get back to cover home in time to receive the throw. That is 6-8 steps backward against your momentum.

    • JB

      Being picked off 1st or 2nd base 14 times probably leads the league as well. Call it aggressive all you want but it’s more recklessness than aggressive. You can sit there and write a post on how they lead the league in stolen bases and paint the picture to sound and look great but the end of the day you are still 4 games under .500 and in last place. So how has your aggressiveness helped? It hasn’t or maybe it has. Maybe it has helped the Reds in not becoming the worst team in baseball. Just listening to Kevin Youkilis talk yesterday in how shocking the Reds recklessness on the base paths has taken them out of scoring chances and chances of winning the game tells me all I need to know. The plan isn’t working.

  30. Oldtimer

    David Bell managed six seasons in the minor leagues. His MiLB W-L record was .422 combined.

    David Bell has managed six seasons in MLB for Reds. His MLB W-L record is .471 so far.

    Those 12 teams never finished first and finished second only once (2020 short season).

  31. Mark A Verticchio

    When I see these stats I don’t understand how anybody can support Bell. In 12 years his best finish was 2nd in a short season and that ended with a playoff experience where the team didn’t score a run in the 2 games played. What has he ever done to deserve to be the manager of an MLB team, let alone the one I root for?

    • Jim t

      It’s not just Bell it’s everyone. Ownership, players and coaching. This is a mess. I don’t know about you but if a player makes it to the major leagues he should have an idea about how to run the bases. It’s like they have no idea of game situations or fundamentals.

      • Oldtimer

        You can’t fire ownership or players. You CAN fire the manager.

      • Jim t

        Ownership hired him and keeps him employed. You’re right I can’t fire owners but I will tell you this. They won’t get another dime from me.

  32. Old-school

    Tough loss for the second time in a week or so go up 3-0 and lose 4-3. Starting pitching has been very solid. Defense and base-running continue to be Achilles heels.

    Most folks sorta looked at Fraley and Benson as similar lefty corner outfielders with Benson being more valued with his athleticism and ceiling. Benson hasn’t played well at all and it’s hard to put into perspective what his 2nd half of 2023 means when bookended by futility of first half 2023 and 2024.

    . The puzzling thing with Fraley is he’s actually very good with BA and OBP is solid but he has 1 hR. He had 15 mid summer last year. I remember 2 in a game at the Marlins ( not exactly a hitters park) and either last year or end of summer 2022 he hit one in the Ohio River in Pittsburgh. They need that power back from him.

    • Ted Alfred

      Seems to me he’s hitting a lot of balls hard but they’re not getting up in the air nearly as often

    • Jim walker

      The pages of MLB history are littered with guys who were never the same player after suffering a supposedly insignificant hand or foot injury. It can be like trying to put Humpty Dumpty back together because of changes they’ve made, many times without even realizing they have made them.

      Someone noted here a couple of days ago that Fraley’s average launch angle has dropped 5% from 2023 (or career, forget which).
      Maybe he changed something in his stride or swing while favoring his stress fractured toe last season??

  33. Ted Alfred

    I agree DH is Candelario’s is best position, but to me he’s generally been fine at 1st base. However, he’s a disaster at 3rd base and that’s been obvious for a while now, so how you do not replace him in the 8th inning up one run…just hard to imagine. My opinion is that Bell doesn’t want to hurt people’s feelings and Candelario would likely take it as a personal shot to his defense, so he decided not to do it and it likely cost us the game. But that is exactly who David Bell is as a manager in a nutshell.

    • Jim Walker

      My first thought of Candy at 3b is recalling his hands are suspect. How many GIDP chances have turned into single outs because he dropped or bobbled the ball on the initial pick up or transfer to his throwing hand? And there is a very good possibility the off target airmail job Saturday evening start with a grip issue and release.

  34. VaRedsFan

    Sat behind the 1st base dugout yesterday.
    The thing that I’ll add to all of the previous comments, Elly had 2nd base stolen twice with huge jumps, but Candy swung and fouled each time. On the 1st pitch I believe too. This isn’t the 1st time either. Let the fasted man steal. Elly looked beat in the high temps, having to walk back to 1st each time.

    The park was maybe half full. 31K announced attendance though.

    Fairchild was too close to the line to let it drop foul. Then couldn’t believe how weak that throw was.

    On the 2 plays at the plate. BOTH runners hesitated before taking off. TJ would have probably been out anyway. Jake waited a tick longer…he is such a bad baserunner.
    He rarely hits a ball hard anymore…most of his hits have been reduced to loopers. Except for an occasional lineout to 1st.

    Thought Stuey had the homer in the 9th. Large contingent of Red Sox fans invaded the stadium.

    • Jim Walker

      I considered whether Stewy was aware he was clearly in foul territory and thought he should have known for a couple of reasons. He had made a really long run but appeared to pull before he reached up for the ball. Both his feet were on the edge track surface. I figured he should have felt that. The umpire was close to him and straddling the line which gave him another point of reference.

      It was close but this is why I felt he should have known it was in foul ground and based his actions on that.

      And although I said let it fall foul, all he needed to do was touch it with his glove and let it fall wherever just like infielders brushing a slow roller along the foul line away as soon as it crosses to foul.

      • TJ

        Fairchild did the right thing. I watched the play twice. His momentum was taking him towards the stands. His first step was towards fair territory instead of more towards home plate. He did not have much on the throw because his momentum wasn’t taking him that way. He got rid of the ball quickly, but it didn’t have much on it. I’ve read some comments that said he lobbed the ball in. There was no hump to his throw, he just wasn’t in the best position to throw.

      • Jim Walker

        @TJ> agree with your comments about the throw. For whatever else is said about it, it was dead on line. If a cutoff man had been setup and snagged it oh the 1st hop and sent it on homeward, as we sometimes see, the play would have been a bang/bang play.

  35. DataDumpster

    On many days now, I just don’t watch the game as I do get a bit upset watching the same bonehead plays and lack of discipline that I have been harping about for much too long. How long can this kind of play and management be allowed to survive in this city? Upon contemplation of this, I just check out.

    I’ll reserve further comment but let you hear it straight from the man himself (@Charlie G.) You decide if Bell “knows” things or if this makes any sense at all. “The defense, we know how important it is,” Bell said. “It showed up today. It’s amazing how much it shows up when we’re on the winning side of things and the losing side of things.”

  36. Votto4life

    As far as the argument that offense is down all over, a quick look at the Red Sox line up today shows five players with an OPS over .800 and one at .770.

    Granted it’s not Ohtani numbers, but the Reds have one player (Candy), over .800 OPS.

  37. Jim walker

    Sunday lineup has posted on X. Friedl leading off but as DH. His leg must be touchy or barking,

    Friedl DH
    EDLC SS
    Candy 1B
    Steer LF
    Stephenson C
    India 2B
    Benson RF
    Espinal 3B
    Fairchild CF

    Levan Soto, a LH batting IF is called up from AAA; Wynns (the 3rd C) DFA as the corresponding move

    • Tom Diesman

      That leaves an open 40 man roster spot. I wonder if they’ll leave that one open until Marte returns on Thursday.?

      • Jim walker

        DFA was the only to get Wynns off the 26 man but it does open the 40 man spot they will need for Marte whether they call him up or decide to option him for more MiLB prep since his OPS is sub .400 in 45PAs to date on rehab,

  38. Mike W

    Saturday, Ellie was called out on a 3-2 count with the bases loaded on a pitch that was down by his shins. Why didn’t we see Bell come screaming out of the dugout to defend his player? That was HUGE game changing opportunity lost — as a ball, instead of a strike, would have forced in a run with the bases loaded!

    Yesterday on a pop fly to left field foul territory Fairchild chose to catch it! Why? If you know your arm is so weak your throw will bounce a couple of times, just let it drop and he can’t score — the late inning winning run! — on that play. Frankly it was also embarrassing as Fairchild was under the ball, with his motion going towards home plate and he multi bounced his throw home. Clearly when the inning started he wasn’t coached by someone saying if you can catch it in foul territory but are too far away to throw out the tagging runner, let it drop! More fundamental screw ups.

    Another series lost as we have guys getting thrown out at 3B and home (twice) and picked off — all on one weekend — is a total lack of focus on fundamentals. Since it’s team wide, only the manager can be blamed. And yet he stands there against the guard rail showing no emotion with th dumps or the players. Please Reds, replace Bell, the season is 47% over. Our pitching is solid, our hitting improving, we can still EASILY make the playoffs via the Wild Card. Make the change. Promote a coach who gets fired up and teaches fundamentals and communicates with our players all game long!

  39. Mike W

    Wow. I clearly need my morning Pedialyte. (OR I’m off because my 8 month old grandson came down with Covid yesterday and none of us got much sleep!) Anyway, I combined games that haven’t happened yet with games that did! I was talking about Friday and Sat, not Sat and Sunday — which hasn’t happened yet! Hopefully not a premonition of some sort! Let’s pitch, hit and run the bases well today, Go Reds!

    • Harry Stoner

      We heard as close a mea culpa as we’re likely to ever hear from Bell in acknowledging last night’s running miscues, though he spent a lot of time trying to ‘plain things.

      EDLC acknowledged he made a mistake, at least.

      Will he learn from it?

      Who knows? He’s had plenty of mistakes to learn from in the past.

      At least he said something.

      RLN fav Fairchild threw Candelario under the bus to try and excuse his second throwing brain faht of the week.

      Bell keeps promising “We’ll learn from this!”

      He should have a roster of PhDs by now.

      Other teams sure are learning fast how to exploit the Reds recklessness…I mean ‘aggressiveness’.

      When you’re only scoring 3 runs a game, being bone-headed on the bases isn’t a workable strategy.

      Amazed that Bell even acknowledged it.

      Not much faith that he’ll do anything about it.

  40. pat

    I have been in love with baseball since I was 10 years old. Never, ever, have I seen a manager so in love with changing his lineup every day. I was always taught you go with the guys who are hitting. Back in the day they didn’t worry about who could hit lefties better than righties. If you could hit, you could hit. It didn’t matter whether the pitcher was a righty or a lefty. Play your best players and don’t bench your hot hitters. I personally thought Jacob Hurbutise was a welcome addition, but what do I know. Fairchild is a great defensive outfielder, but I thought that outfield throw to home was terrible. I have never been impressed with David Bell and still haven’t figured out why they rewarded bad managing with an extension. The way they are playing right now they will be lucky to win 75 games! And while I’m on a rant, they didn’t have batting practice one day last week because it was too hot! They are professional ballplayers who play every summer. Get the hitting coaches out there and work with these guys. They are not babies!!