The Cincinnati Reds didn’t have things go their way on Sunday afternoon in Milwaukee. The bullpen gave up a big home run to the Brewers in the 6th and the Reds rally in the 9th ended on a play at the plate as Milwaukee held on for both the win on the day and the series victory.

Final R H E
Cincinnati Reds (34-37)
4 8 1
Milwaukee Brewers (42-29)
5 8 3
W: Rea (6-2) L: Sims (1-3) SV: Megill
Box Score | Game Thread

The Reds didn’t waste much time on Sunday afternoon. Elly De La Cruz lined a triple into the right field corner with one out in the 1st inning and scored on a sacrifice fly to put Cincinnati up 1-0. Two innings later it was once again De La Cruz using his speed to pester the Brewers. After a 2-out walk he stole second base. Colin Rea then tried to pick him off and the ball trickled into center. De La Cruz took off for third and never stopped, rounding the bag and making his way to the plate where he slid head first just in front of the tag to make it 2-0. Spencer Steer homered to lead off the 4th and pad the lead to 3-0.

After cruising through the first four innings, Frankie Montas ran into some trouble in the 5th. Joey Ortiz doubled to lead off the inning and moved up to third when Sal Frelick lined a single into center. Jackson Chourio hit a chopper to shortstop to bring the run in and get Milwaukee on the board, making it 3-1. Montas came back with strike out the next two batters to limit the damage.

The Brewers got back to work in the top of the 6th with a single and a walk to begin the inning. That was enough for manager David Bell to make a pitching change and to call on Lucas Sims to enter the game with the tying runs on base. That didn’t work out as the first pitch Sims threw went 421 feet and onto the concourse in center for a go-ahead 3-run homer.

Milwaukee played add on in the 7th against Sam Moll. A line drive towards center was almost caught by a leaping Elly De La Cruz, but the ball hit his glove and popped out for a single. Brice Turang took advantage of the non-catch and proceeded to steal second, but the throw from Tyler Stephenson went into the outfield and Turang took third base, too. He then came around to score when Christian Yelich laid down a bunt single to make it 5-3.

Cincinnati got that run back when Elly De La Cruz led off the inning with a home run that hit the top of the wall before going over it for his 12th homer of the year. After a pitching change by the Brewers to turn Candelario around to hit from the left side, he came through with a single. Jacob Hurtubise was then called on to pinch run for him. A force out sent him back to the dugout, and then a strikeout followed. Nick Martini kept the inning alive with a single that sent Spencer Steer over to third base to put the tying run 90 feet away. The next pitch was a 109.2 MPH laser into center off of the bat of Jonathan India, but it stayed up long enough for Blake Perkins to catch it and end the inning.

Nick Martinez fired off a perfect bottom of the 8th, leaving the offense in need of one or more runs to keep the game going. After a strikeout began the inning, Stuart Fairchild hit a grounder to shortstop and he busted it down the line. Perhaps that’s what led to Willy Adames rushing the throw and air-mailing it into the dugout, sending Fairchild to second base as the potential tying run with the top of the lineup coming up. TJ Friedl popped up, bringing Elly De La Cruz to the plate as the Reds last chance. Except he wasn’t as the Brewers opted to intentionally walk him to face off against Santiago Espinal, who was now batting in the spot vacated by Jeimer Candelario when he was pinch run for. Espinal came through with a bloop single into center, but Blake Perkins threw Fairchild out the plate to end the game. The Reds challenged the play but it was upheld and the game ended in a 5-4 win for the Brewers.

Key Moment of the Game

The final play of the game that saw what would have been the game tying run thrown out at the plate.

Notes Worth Noting

Elly De La Cruz had a big day at the plate, reaching base four times, stealing his 36th base of the year, tripling, homering, and he scored three runs. Spencer Steer was the only other Red with multiple hits on the day (2-4, HR).

The Brewers have beat the Reds in eight straight series.

Up Next for the Cincinnati Reds

Cincinnati Reds vs Pittsburgh Pirates

Monday June 17th, 6:40pm ET

Carson Spiers (0-0, 2.33 ERA) vs Paul Skenes (3-0, 2.43 ERA)

139 Responses

  1. CI3J

    The Brewers have beat the Reds in eight straight series.

    Ouch.

    • Will the Red

      So close and yet…looking miles away from contending.

  2. Jeff morris

    These are critical division games, just like a playoff game. Kudos for the Reds coming back, and almost winning, but you have to put in another pitcher more reliable than L Sims. He is way too inconsistent. Relievers allow runs, and I know that happens, but L Sims is too inconsistent and unreliable. Look at his ERA, and that will tell you all you need to know. When you are playing crucial games, division games, where the games can be tight, like today’s game, you cannot have someone like L Sims pitching! ASAP, the Reds need to pick up another reliever, that is more consistent, and DFA L Sims.

    • VaRedsFan

      The DFA Sims talk didn’t just start today.
      He’s the new Dolittle.
      The new Strickland.

      Bell keeps using the worst pitcher in the biggest situations. Not just once, twice, thrice, but 8-9-10 teams or more, with the same results.
      Can people not see his track record with things like this?

      • bug

        The Reds will never truly compete with the big boys with Bell at the helm,..no matter how much talent he has. He’s always good for making a really dumb move at the worst possible time in order to lose a game that the Reds had in the bag. He’ll do it more often than not,..game after game,..year after year. His dumb moves most definitely cost us 20 games or more each and every year. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it. Some of us have been saying it for years now, and we continue to be proven right. It’s sad.

      • CharlieE

        So you have the best high leverage guy on the time, and in the whole league available, who is accustom to coming in with guys on base, or you have one of the least effective guys with base runners on, who is inconsistent, and best coming in to start an inning, so who do you choose as the manager. I didn’t listen to Bell’s explanation on his bizarre decisions, well, because his reasoning is so flawed, he probably believe his made a good choice there.

  3. Harry Stoner

    Nice to see EDLC have a good day at the plate.

    I suppose Krall was watching the game, too?

    This was Exhibit A to counter the argument that managers have little effect on a game.

    Bell can have a string of games making the predictable, safe decisions that work out as expected.

    And then he reverts to being disconnected again.

    The Sims and Hurtubise moves lacked even common sense.

    Maybe, just maybe, if Candelario was on second with no force out at third.

    Or having Hurtubise run for Fairchild would have brought a more sensible runner to that situation, too.

    Bell will mumble through the post game interview once again.

      • Harry Stoner

        Yes, but it’s Reds’ fans who are being held hostage.

        No rescue for at least another 2-1/2 years.

    • BK

      Why would it make sense fpinch run Hurtubise for Fairchild?

      • Chris

        I would have thought like you, but in hindsight, it would have made a lot of sense, because unlike Fairchild, Hurtubise would have been smart enough to run his tail off from the get go so he could have scored. No excuse for a fast runner like Fairchild to get gunned out there. He had a bad jump, and watched the ball in flight. Not sure he even knew there were 2 outs.

    • Redfanorbust

      No strong agree or disagree about Bill here but always keep in mind. Someone else keeps him employed and keeps him on the team. If you’re going to blame somebody it should be management/ownership.

  4. JB

    I went outside after the Sims meltdown. Good thing I did. More bad fundamentals and stupid move by Bell. I don’t get why he keeps taking out Candelario. I understand that he wants to get Espinal’s defense in the game but taking out your hottest and best hitter is absolutely rediculous.

    • Melvin

      It’s another reason why, if at all possible, Candelario should be the DH. Wouldn’t have to worry about his defense in the late innings.

      • VaRedsFan

        Problem solved….but would someone’s feeling get hurt if they don’t get to play the field?

        Remember when Castellanos complained? He hardly ever DH’d again.
        And Nick C wasn’t a good defender, but you can hide him somewhat in the outfield.

      • Chris

        I agree, but that wasn’t the issue. As it turned out, the move worked. Santiago made a great play at 3rd, and got a huge hit that should have tied the game, but Fairchild was clearly not focused on scoring on any hit with 2 outs. No excuse for Fairchild with his speed not to score there. Bad leadoff, bad baserunning (watching the ball in flight). Blame Bell all you want, but Fairchild killed his team there.

    • Justin T

      Pinch running and removing a bat you may need later in a crucial time? Thats David Bell playing the hits. That one is a classic.

      • Jim Walker

        Yep. I second this, more detail in my comment below.

      • Chris

        Hate Bell all you want, but those exact moves worked out, or should have, except some of the people in here’s hero Fairchild blew it by watching a looping ball with 2 outs, instead of getting a great jump and taking off immediately.

      • Justin T

        @Chris

        You took the bat out of a hot hitting Candelario’s hands. That is a stupid move 100 times out of 100. The fact that Espinal got a hit isnt the way he drew it up in his head. He wasnt thinking about the end of the game, or just didnt think at all. But moves like this are so easy to simply not do
        – yet he struggles mightily w it. Maybe its a lack of impulse control? Is Candelario that much of a terrible base runner? 15 million a year and needs to be ran for? Barely competent as a fielder and now youre saying he cant run the bases in a crucial time?

    • H.B.

      Candelario has been one of the hottest hitters on the team. When he took him out, I thought sure hope it doesn’t kill us in the nineth or extra innings. Why bring in Sims in that situation when everyone knows he doesn’t do well when he inherits runners. A little league coach would think things through better than David Bell. Will be waist these young players two more years with an ineffective Manager. So sad for the Reds fans. Another, rebuild, looming in after the 2026 season??? POOR DECISIONS make us a loser year after year.

  5. Melvin

    I couldn’t see in the replay if Fairchild looked back. It did see his jump and it looked like it could have been better especially with two outs in that situation.

    • Harry Stoner

      If it were the go ahead run, make the move.

      It wasn’t the case of “OF needs to make the perfect play!”

      It wasn’t close.

      Who is the Reds’ 3rd base coach anyhow?

      You’ve got your #1 rbi guy up next who’s been hitting the ball today.

      I’ve never been part of the Fairchild fan base here, but it so often seems like it’s every man for himself out there.

      The Reds run themselves out of a lot of innings.

      Aggressive doesn’t mean reckless, foolish or nonsensical.

      • Chris

        Don’t blame the coach! That failure was 100% on Fairchild. How does a fast runner like him not score on a looping single to CF with 2 outs? Fairchild absolutely blew it.

    • CharlieE

      Fairchild appears to be a very poor instinctive base runner, how many times has he been thrown out on the bases, seems like a lot more than average, for someone who is not a regular.

      • Daytonnati

        That is because he is so rarely on 🙂

      • Harry Stoner

        I agree, but this isn’t the situation for instincts.

        It’s time for baseball fundamentals.

        This wasn’t a “It has to be a perfect play / throw to get me!” type of risk.

        Two outs you run on contact, eyes on the 3rd base coach who should be watching the play and making the call well in time for SF to round third or hold up.

        Was 3rd base coach even involved in the play?

      • Ted Alfred

        Him and Fraley seem especially poor at base running

  6. Harry Stoner

    “Questionable Managerial Moves Lead to Reds’ Loss”

    Would be an appropriate headline to a recap of the game.

    • bug

      Bingo. But I might add the word “Again” at the end of that headline.

    • Chris

      …OR, fast baserunner lost focus therefore lost the game getting thrown out at home on a hit that should ALWAYS be scored on.

  7. earmbrister

    Tough loss. The second camera angle on the game ending play at the play showed Fairchild peaking over his shoulder at the CFr. With two outs he shouldn’t be looking at anything other than the thirdbase coach. Fairchild should know better.

    • Melvin

      If that’s the case then that’s just plain TERRIBLE. The baseball IQ on this team is amazingly bad as far as what they’re held accountable for. It certainly isn’t just one player.

      • earmbrister

        Being an out of town fan, and of humble means, I don’t get to see a lot of games. But if memory serves, this isn’t the first mental error I’ve seen from Fairchild.

        From a beer softball league perspective, some players have baserunning instincts and some don’t. From a professional league perspective, players each have their strengths and weaknesses even though they’ve been playing the game for some 20 years. Votto was a heckuva hitter, but looked lost on the basepaths at times.

        Part of me wanted a double steal from Fairchild and EDLC in order to shake up Megill. Of course, getting thrown out at third to end the game is a big risk, one that the fundamentals say you shouldn’t take.

  8. RedsgettingBetter

    I think this happened before when Montas is pitching. The Reds have the early lead but around the middle of the game Montas is fading and the lead is blown. Bell should know how his players perform and what are his capacities so he could manage them as well as possible.. In my opinion, Montas shouldn’t have start the 6th inning even he only was at 76 pitches. It was the top of order (Contreras, Yelich and Adames) the third time in the game and Montas showed signs of a little tiring the inning before. Maybe Bell should go with a reliever to begin the 6th either Sims or Martinez but it’s different bringing them in with 2 runners on base and no outs.
    This series against Brewers was very tight, technically the two 3-run homers decided the series on last two games.
    Go to Pittsburgh trying to get at least 2 of three games there and gain some ground. I feel the games against Pirates will be difficult too…

    • Melvin

      “I feel the games against Pirates will be difficult too…”

      They always are even though they’re supposed to be “easy”.

      • TR

        The Pirates, like the Reds, have a lot of young talent. It will be a tough series to win. Nick Krall needs to do something to jolt the Reds back to .500 and beyond.

      • jon

        You think these strike out Reds are going to hit Skenes today?

  9. docproc

    How did Fairchild not score there? Thought he was supposed to be fast.
    Bring back Blake Dunn.

    • VaRedsFan

      Dunn has trouble getting on base to use his speed.

      • docproc

        Not my point.
        My point was Fairchild’s brain fart.

  10. VaRedsFan

    Per Lance McAlister:
    Fairchild took his 1st 3 steps looking over his shoulder at the CF’er

    • Harry Stoner

      Did he even know there were two outs?

      Not taking this for granted.

      I’m thinking of the time SF sprinted head down to get doubled off of first on a fly out.

    • Ksdavis

      But these re the kind of mental mistakes that happen again and again. And the Bell response wil be we will learn from the mistakes. The players should have all graduated from college by now with all the learning.

      • Harry Stoner

        Has Bell ever acknowledged mistake or suggested that he, or any of his players, need to learn from them?

        I don’t recall him ever being that clear and specific.

        Mistakes ‘happen’ with Bell. They aren’t ‘made’.

        These aren’t miscues on the field, like misplaying a hard grounder, but mental errors a competitive and credible MLB team should be

        The Bell post game interview we will never hear:

        “Tough loss today. We played them close but we’ve got to tighten up on the little things that make a difference in close games.

        We’re going to get together, players and coaches, and discuss what we can do to tighten up our play.”

        Nobody thrown under the bus or scapegoated, but a clear statement that Bell is aware of what’s going on and taking some responsibility.

      • Melvin

        If we actually learned from the mistakes we make the players on the this team including the manager and coaches would seemingly be baseball geniuses by now.

    • Melvin

      Sheesh. Unbelievable. That’s on the 3B coach too. Anyone who’s ever coached 3B or 1B for that matter is yelling at his runners what the situation is so there’s no doubt especially with the game on the line. Unbelievable.

    • Dewey Roberts

      With two outs, Fairchild should have burning the jets all the way. Either it was a hit or the game was over. Fairchild holding up to check the CF was a bad play.

    • Doug Gray

      This is not even remotely close to true no matter how many times Lance says it. Fairchild never looked over his shoulder once the ball was hit.

      • kypodman

        it sure does look like on the replays

      • Jim Walker

        I’ll add If Bell’s post game comments were accurate, when Fairchild appeared to be looking back, it was before the ball was hit. He was tracking the 2B to gauge and get his secondary lead (which Bell thought was a good one) because the Brewers were trying to keep him close to the base. Keep in mind the runner did not know the ball was going to be hit and cannot just take a huge lead in hopes it will be. Then folks might be panning him for being TOOTBLAN.

      • Luke J

        What? He sure did! I took a screenshot if you have a way for me to post it.

      • Luke J

        To the comments that he was looking back before the ball was hit, I screenshotted the video that shows the ball in the air in the outfield, on its way down and fairchild running toward third looking back over his shoulder. That is a completely false narrative to say he didn’t look back after the ball was hit.

      • Doug Gray

        Woke up to an email with a different video replay and I’m willing to admit when I’m wrong. Fairchild, about half way to third, did turn – while running, peaked towards the outfield for a step.

        I’ll say this much – it didn’t matter. He was out by 10 feet.

      • Luke J

        You can’t say it didn’t matter. At full speed, which Fairchild would have been heading down the 3rd baseline, he can cover 10 feet in less than half a second. How can you be so sure he doesn’t make up that half a second had he not turned to look?

      • Doug Gray

        I can say whatever I want, Luke.

        But yeah, I don’t think it mattered. He may be able to cover 10 feet in less than half of a second heading down the third base line, but he’s at full speed there. He was not at full speed when he peaked over his shoulder and it didn’t slow him down much. He wasn’t just standing there looking in the outfield. He was running while taking a peak.

      • Chris

        Sorry Doug, it’s ABSOLUTELY true. Not sure what you are/were looking at? Tell us Doug how in the world does the 2nd fastest player on this team not score on a looping flyball base hit to CF with 2 outs, if he’s not taking off and focused solely on running.

      • Doug Gray

        Because Fairchild took a poor route to third base (and I don’t mean looking over his shoulder) and had to run further than he normally would, then the guy in center was playing in and fired a 93 MPH bullet to the plate.

      • Doug Gray

        To add…. here’s the route of everyone on the field. Look at that terrible route run by Fairchild. It’s like he only had plans to go to third until he was 20 feet from the bag, then had to adjust and round it. THAT is why he got nailed at the plate. Not because he peaked over his shoulder for one step.

      • Melvin

        I’d say either way it was a brain fart on the part of Fairchild. Perhaps looking over his shoulder didn’t slow him down that much but maybe from what he saw made him think he was only going to go to 3B and then his coach sent him. His job, with two outs, was just to get the best jump he could at the crack of the bat, run as hard as he could while looking at his 3B coach and then doing what his 3B coach told him to do. He obviously didn’t do that so either way it was poor fundamentals.

      • BK

        The ball was also hit pretty shallow to a CF who was playing shallow. Perhaps, SF understood who was at bat and where the OFs were set up defensively and knew the ball wasn’t a good one to score on. Did House send him or was this a player decision? Also, I’m not sure a better route saves SF the 0.4 seconds he needed to beat the throw.

        Also, although Steer is good, 65 percent of the time he doesn’t reach base. I’m not sure our Monday morning analysis has delivered as convincing of a blow to this decision as many believe. All we really know is it didn’t work and wasn’t close. It was certainly high risk, but so was playing station to station as we were down to our final out.

      • DW

        That diagram showing the routes is quite telling. His lead and route were fundamentally wrong…straight between second and third. His lead should start toward LF from second base, and then move toward third base. That provides the best angle to round third base and quickest route to score. This is stuff you learn in high school. I don’t understand it. How can a big league player get this wrong? I am no fan of Bell whatsoever, but he is not to blame for that. I also have looked at Fairchild as a good fit for a 4/5th outfielder due to his speed, ability to hit lefties, and defense. But that is some very bad base running. And it does make a huge difference. That thrown was off the mark, taking the catcher up the line a ways. Just a little quicker to the plate and he is past the tag.

      • Doug Gray

        I think the lead was fine. The shortstop was playing right at the bag, then moved away from it as the pitch was delivered. He couldn’t get too far or he’d get picked off.

      • Melvin

        “I am no fan of Bell whatsoever, but he is not to blame for that.”

        One could argue that he is responsible that these kind of mistakes keep happening on a regular basis. Accountability.

      • old-school

        I will take full blame for this one. I said last week here that while Fairchild has had a few outs on he bases, many of the Reds players do as well because of the Bell culture that wants baserunning aggressiveness( recklessness would be my term). I then said I would still want him in scoring position in the 9th inning to score the needed run…..that didnt age well! He should have scored that run. Having said that, it was only the tying run and did not guarantee a win. Diaz and others could have just as easily blown it.

        On to Pittsburgh!

      • DW

        Doug, even if the shortstop is at the bag, his lead should be out toward left field (approximately at the typical shortstop position). It should never be straight between second and third. It isn’t about the length of the lead, it is the angle created for rounding third base. You can see that he went straight between second and third and then had to swing out prior to rounding third. This also makes it easier to slide to the outside of the bag if they try a pickoff to second base.

        Melvin, I would like to blame Bell, but I think he should be able to assume that his major league players have learned how to take proper leads and angles when running the bases. These guys are taught these things from before high school and through years of college and minors. MLB managers shouldn’t have to teach or remind MLB players of these basic fundamentals. I am all for the accountability part though. And that appears to be lacking with Bell.

      • Doug Gray

        You’re right, DW. I was more thinking the lead distance, not necessarily the angle off of the bag, which he absolutely was incorrect on.

      • Melvin

        @DW – Of course these players know “how” to play. They’re just not held accountable for having the discipline to use what they know. Obviously this is the case otherwise it wouldn’t keep happening over and over again with virtually the entire team doing things like that.

    • Harry Stoner

      So if that’s all true, it moves it from being an inept play by Fairchild to not a very smart one, with the criticism more fairly directed at the 3rd base coach.

      It wasn’t a baby-bang play for the CF, no matter what Bell says.

      He’s on it from the start, didn’t take an EDLC throw and it wasn’t close at the plate.

      With Steer coming up, having had a good day….and this being the tying run?

      Nah.

      Go ahead run? Go for it.

      That’s Bell Ball for you, though.

      No distinction between ‘aggressiveness’, ‘recklessness’ and ‘foolishness’.

      • Chris

        No way. Lot’s to blame Bell for, but Fairchild blew it. 2nd fastest player on the team, and can’t score on a looping fly ball single to CF with 2 outs. 3rd base coach really doesn’t even come into play in this situation. That is a ball that anyone would score on, and must score in in that situation with 2 outs.

      • Jim Walker

        @Chris>> In debriefing the play and making corrections for the future Fairchild’s issues need to be addressed but the last man in the chain with a chance to stop the developing disaster was the 3B coach. Certainly, the play had developed enough as SF reached 3B that the coach should have seen it was a losing proposition and held him.

        This would have left the Reds with the bases loaded with 2 men in scoring position for Steer.

  11. Indy Red Man

    You just can’t bring Sims (or Diaz) in with men on because they always walk guys. Probably only watched 18 innings of this series, but the Reds had a bunch of lineouts and warning track balls. Maybe they’re coming out of it offensively?

    Bell? Other guys make mistakes. Cleveland manager left his starter in to get beat twice deep by Candy. Inexcusable with their pen. Problem with Bell is he doesn’t learn? As soon as I heard Sims was warning up I started shaking my head in the car. You don’t have to 2nd guess Bell, first one is sufficient. There are other quality options. If we don’t go .500 I think they’ll have to make a movie

    • bug

      >>>You just can’t bring Sims (or Diaz) in with men on because they always walk guys.

      Astute observation,..that any smart coach would make. But Bell will never figure that one out. If either of them (Sims or Diaz) has any chance at all to get through an inning without giving up runs, it has to be with them starting with the base clear And even then it’s not a given with those two. I have no use for pitchers who are afraid to throw strikes up until when they get behind in the count. Then when they have to groove it, they are like pitching batting practice to good hitters. Oh well. Not going to change as long as Bell is at the helm.

      • Indy Red Man

        Little things get us every time. Martini pulls the ball or bunts and we score another run early when we had a man on 2nd & nobody out. Then Frankie walked Yelich ahead of the 3 run homer. I think he had him down 1-2. They nibble on Yelich like he’s going to hurt you when most of the time he’s just slapping at the ball. Frankie sinker at 95-96 and I like our chances. Our 1 run record is no fluke

      • Melvin

        “Little things get us every time. Martini pulls the ball or bunts and we score another run early when we had a man on 2nd & nobody out.”

        What’s lost in this discussion mostly is that their star player put down a suicide squeeze bunt that actually went for a hit. It turned out to be the deciding run. The truth is the Brewers know how to win and execute a lot better than we do.

  12. RedsMonk65

    Yes to all the above. I hear the frustration and share it. Reds need to win games/series like this — especially against the Brewers. Good plate performances by Steer, EDLC, and Candelario, but … Bad team execution and decisions overall. BOO! Very disappointed. Do better.

    • RedsMonk65

      Tired of this. If the Red expect to really compete, they need to be able to beat (or at least draw even) with the division leaders in head-to-head games — whether it is the Brewers, Cardinals or Cubs. Same old story. But this year, many of the essential components are there –they just need to be supplemented/complemented–both on the field and organizationally. Come on!!!

  13. VaRedsFan

    At least Ty Steve got about 6 innings of rest.

  14. Mark Moore

    I finally checked the score after my Clete and watched Elly’s dinger. Good day for him. Bad day for us. Typical day for #60 of 30.

    Off to Pie-Rat Island.

    • Melvin

      “Typical day for #60 of 30.”

      😀

  15. Ron

    Making one crucial mistake in a close game can cost you the game. Making three crucial mistakes in a close game will definitely cost you the game.
    Mistake 1: Bringing in Sims rather than Cruz or Martinez. Personally, I would have given Montas one more batter.
    Mistake 2: Taking Candelario out for a pinch runner. Espinal did get a hit to his credit, but Candy could have doubled or homered.
    Mistake 3: Fairchild being clueless on the basepaths. There’s no way he should have been thrown out. Look for your coach and run as fast as you can.
    If they don’t learn from their mistakes today, they could loose another series in Pittsburgh.

    • Jim Walker

      I actually listened to Bell’s version of what happened on the game ending play because I wanted to see how he shaded it. He said SF got a good secondary lead but that his initial lead had been shortened ahead of it because the SS and 2B were playing games to keep him close b/c they didn’t want to get burned on a double steal. I interpret that to mean Bell was saying SF probably lost 10 feet (or more) on his initial lead off and was that far behind where he might normally be expected to be when the ball reached the batter.

      Keep in mind that yes, there were 2 outs and he should be running on contact; but, he cannot take off from his secondary lead until he is sure the batter has made contact. Unless we see both SF and the batter contacting the ball, it is hard to determine exactly what happened.

      Bell did not offer any opinion about the 3rd base coach’s decision to send the runner home. I was hoping he might go into that because the play at the plate was not even close. As Marty or Joe would have said back in the day, “He was out from here to there”. I’m guessing by at least 15′. Kind of hard to judge because Conteras ran up the line to meet him the runner caught the throw in.

      • Doug Gray

        I’ve seen the angle you are talking about (sadly I am unable to share it). Fairchild was absolutely running on contact. His route from 2nd to 3rd wasn’t great, though. Perkins just made a play and I’m not sure that the route from 2nd to 3rd makes an ounce of difference because the throw beat him easily.

      • Oldtimer

        Great plays by OF and C beat him to home plate.

        I watched it live (on TV). It seemed like Fairchild looked back first but he probably would still have been out.

      • Chris

        So this time you believe what Bell is saying? LOL. They weren’t holding SF on to that degree, and why would they? 2 outs, weak hitter up, and you are going have your middle infield out of position to hold a runner on 2nd? Nice try. Stop covering for one of your favorite Reds players who is famous for making ridiculous errors on the basepaths.

  16. IrishMike

    Did Fairchild forget there were 2 outs? The cameras didn’t show it but I had a sense.

  17. Old-school

    Bell sims and fairchild lost this series

    Period

    10u players in january in indoor facilities practice secondary leads . Fairchild didnt do that

    This is a bad loss with a lead and bell sims and Fairchild vomited on the field to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory

    • Harry Stoner

      And nothing will be learned.

      Bell was in his typical Alfred E Neuman mode post game.

      “I trust Sims in that role!”

      Bell thinks that lets you off the hook….the problem is that you shouldn’t trust Sims in that role in a crucial game. If Bell had been paying attention, learning from the games and making adjustments.

      “We thought for sure Fairchild would score…he had a good lead…” the opposite of what observers have noted… and of course the stand by:

      “Outfielder made a great play and a perfect throw…”

      Well, it was a competent play, a fairly unchallenging one, perhaps even a fairly easy one for a competent, professional CF to pull off,”

      Of course, no mention of pulling Candelario, so that Hurtubise could be immediately erased on a routine force out.

      Espinal getting a bloop hit is all the justification Bell needs in his confused head to convince himself he made the right.move.

      He’s truly unbearable.

  18. Rob

    Big time loss in a very important game. If you are going to contend, you must win these games. I get so tired of “we know who we are” and “one pitch cost us” and “a win is a win”. And a loss is a loss when it is caused by “the same old, same old” and acceptance of poor performance by select players. Gosh, aren’t we tired of some of these guys and getting 5-6 hits every game? Being run like a business on its last legs. We saved these hot prospects last year (Phillips, Stoudt, Williamson, Dunn) when Scherzer was at our doorstep. And went like 5-0 in the last 2 months. Now we need a bat or bats and we don’t need 2026 IFs.

  19. Indy Red Man

    Nats swept Miami. Everyone in our division has a shot. SF scored 13. SD has the talent and $ to get in. Reds won’t make it if they keep screwing up these games. Speaking of SF, Soler hit his 8th and can carry a team for a while when he’s on. Makes $13 mil. We needed someone like him a lot more then a C+ reliever like Pagan. If Gibaut didn’t break down then Pagan would’ve got buried like Farmer. He’s not elite high leverage

    • Rob

      Soler, Hoskins, Glasnow. We took a hard look at all this past winter. But we went other directions. Still waiting on that big RH bat and news keeps getting gloomier around CES. Reminds me of last year when we had Greene and Lodolo targeted to return in late August so we didn’t trade for Scherzer or Montgomery. Still having a bunch of 5-6 hit games and still awaiting CES and his bat. Can’t we see CES isn’t going to be of help and we need another piece? Not Ford, Hurtubise, Dunn, or Capel. But a real everyday bat like Robert and his 38 HRs in 2023. Fiddle around and watch another contender grab him. And we have the prospects to grab him or someone just as good. Nick just has to see 5-6 hits a game isn’t going to catch the Brew Crew.

  20. RedlegScott

    In the past, I might have leaned in the direction of giving the manager the benefit of the doubt, but after listening to you guys repeatedly question the decision to bring in Sims mid-inning, given his tendency to walk guys or dish out homers, then see it happen yet AGAIN today, I’m finally convinced – you guys are right about this manager. Now what?

    • Melvin

      “Now what?”

      We kidnap him and hold him until the season is over. 😀 Just kidding. 😀

      • RedlegScott

        Who will take his spot, Melvin? You? Welcome aboard!

      • Melvin

        haha 😀 I’d give it a shot. Somehow I don’t think the Reds will call me though. 🙁 😉

    • Rednat

      I wouldnt mind seeing Brantlly taking over as head coach. He seems to at least say all the right things on air. I know this wont happen but that would be my choiice for the rest of the season at least.

  21. Votto4life

    David Bell supporters seem to have taken the evening off in terms of commenting. I don’t blame them. I am not even a Bell hater, but man, he seems to have just terrible instincts.

    The sad thing is when the Reds were leading 3-0 I had zero confidence they were going to hold that lead.

    I think the Reds will win a division or two this decade, but it won’t be this year. The game changer will come next month with the second overall pick.

    • Myles

      Or they could draft the next Nick Senzel, and it won’t make much difference to these results.

    • LDS

      I won’t be surprised if they take another pitcher.

      • Votto4life

        LDS, I wouldn’t be surprise if Nick Krall decides to think outside the box, when inside the box judgement is what’s needed. The Reds should have two names on their list: Condon and Bazzana. It’s pretty simple. But Bull always thinks he is the smartest person in the room. So no, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if he selected a high school pitcher with the number 2 draft pick.

      • MBS

        I won’t be upset if we grab Bazzana, but I would be more excited if we walk away with a 1B. Condon is hard to deny, so if he’s available I’d probably grab him, but if I had to chose between Bazzana or Kurtz, I’m going Kurtz.

        Kurtz is going to be a great MLB’er, and fits the needs of this club very well. Bazzana feels like a potential Senzel type pick. Don’t get me wrong he also could be great, I just have more confidence in Condon, and Kurtz.

      • Luke J

        Burns has even better stuff than Skenes. I wouldn’t complain at all if they take him with the 2nd pick. He’s a potential generational talent.

      • Votto4life

        @MBS Charlie Condon is my top choice as well. I hope the Guardians go for sign ability and pass him by. One can dream.

    • Jim Walker

      RE:Bell lack of “instincts”. The 1st thing I did when I saw Hurtubise coming on to run for Cadelario in the 8th was to think that if a minimum of 3 more Reds batters reached base, that lineup spot was going to bat in the 9th.

      Then after the Reds 8th, I counted on my fingers that spot was 5th up, saw Espinal in it, and groaned. And my fears were confirmed. Candelario’s spot was up with the game on the line and Espinal at the plate vs an RH pitcher.

  22. Gpod

    In Bell’s postgame he said he said he wasn’t aware that the Reds had lost 8 straight series to Milwaukee (first of all …that’s a total lie) but to my real point….thru those 8 series: players have changed, roles have changes, but the one thing that hasn’t changed: the same manager….draw your own conclusions

    • Frankie Tomatoes

      My conclusion is that the manager has changed because the Brewers lost their manager to the Cubs. The Brewers are still winning. The Cubs are in last place. The Brewers have been better than the Reds for a while now and it is not because of the manager.

      • Indy Red Man

        Imo that’s atleast partly false because Counsell helped establish a culture. Yelich, their star, gets a bunt down. They foul off a million pitches and draw walks when they’re down in the count 1-2. They’re not getting guys picked off 4-5x a week or throwing the ball all over like the Reds. They lost their best starter and closer and still tear it up. They simply have a winners culture like the Cards used to have and the Reds have lacked since Pinella

      • TR

        Milwaukee has had, in general, a winning baseball culture going back to the fifties when the Braves were there. They had the great pitching trio of Spahn, Sain and Burdette backed up by the offense of Eddy Matthews, Joe Adcock and others. The overall good organization continues today with the Brewers.

      • west larry

        You have been defending him a long time, but the truth is BELL IS NOT A GOOD MANAGER. HIs use of Diaz and Sims is horrible, They shouldn’t be put into high stress situations until they can handle it consistently this year. His taking out his most consistent hitter for a pinch runner was mind boggling. Please promote him to the front office and give us a good, experienced manager.

  23. Frankie Tomatoes

    The Brewers are better than the rest of the division. They are the only good team. Everyone else is mediocre at best. That may be good enough to get a wildcard spot now that half of the league makes the playoffs.

  24. SultanofSwaff

    I saw the game Friday night and imo the Brewers are just another team….certainly not the caliber of the Phillies. We’ll see how good they are now that they have to travel west. Statistically, they’ve got a couple hitters playing way over their heads so you have to expect some regression, which they can’t afford given their pitching staff is being held together by duct tape and bubble gum. These things take time to reveal themselves and there’s more than half a season to go.

    The Reds will take their lumps at times like yesterday, but they compete to the last out. India smoked one in the 8th that probably had a 90% hit probability, and they still got the big hit in the 9th. That’s my takeaway–that this team has more weapons than most teams and a pitching staff that keeps most games tight. The outlook is favorable from a schedule standpoint, you have personnel reinforcements coming, and the payroll can easily absorb a hired gun acquisition.

    These are the only 2 teams in the Central with a positive run differential.

    • Indy Red Man

      I’m generally slightly more positive then most, but I can’t see what you’re seeing?
      I see LA, SD, Milw, Philly, and Atlanta being heavy favorites to lock down a playoff spot and atleast 5 other teams battling for the last 1-2 spots. They’d have to step up and get help and that seems unlikely

      • JB

        I wouldn’t be to positive on the Braves . They have lost some big dogs and are 4-6 in last 10. 9-11 in last 20. 14-19 in last 33.

      • Indy Red Man

        Too much offense to not make it. I think Riley was out before

  25. Jim Walker

    Hopefully one of the takeaways the Reds brain trust will have from this series is the value of team defense. Very good to outstanding defense by the Brewers kept at least 1 run off the board in each of the last 3 innings Sunday.

    The Reds need to figure out how much of the Brewers success on defense owed to better synchrony between their pitching scheme and fielder positioning and how much arose from the Brewers simply having better fielders.

    • Rednat

      Watching the Indians and Brewers back to back, the commonalities i noticed were,

      1. Very strong outfield defemse
      2. Work the count. Foul off a ton of pitches.
      3. Intellegent use of the stolen base in high levrage situations. Maibly to try to add on to leads.
      4. Power pitching coming out of the bullpen.

      These are things the reds can replicate and it wont cost an arm and a leg to accomplosh.

    • Daytonnati

      Jim – “Reds brain trust” is a very optimistic and charitable view 🙂

    • Votto4life

      I don’t think there is any critical analysis being conducted at any level of the Reds organization. It’s just easier to blame their woes on injuries which they will have always have as a ready excuse.

  26. Randoxu1

    It really gets old losing to the brewers. Our manager doesn’t help much but maybe if the front office would wake up it would be nice. Should have a rh outfielder that has some pop. I know it’s hard to make trades right now but pro-active for once. Package Diaz, Sims, and Benson with 2 upper level prospects for someone somewhere that can hit. Once this 2 pitchers are gone bring up Santillan and young. I know it’s not going to happen but I would at least try.

    • west larry

      I like that. I suggested something similar to try to get Roberts, but responses to that idea indicated that the white sox would want prospects, several good ones .But I still would like to get a good outfield bat.

      • Melvin

        “But I still would like to get a good outfield bat.”

        Here! Here! 🙂

    • Melvin

      “Should have a rh outfielder that has some pop.”

      Here! Here!

  27. Melvin

    This series fits the narrative that David Bell doesn’t manage well under pressure. Perhaps the Jonathan India quote about how he manages shows why he doesn’t prepare himself or the team for pressure situations.

    Jonathan India – “David Bell is very laid back. He really doesn’t stress anything for us to do. He just wants us to go out and enjoy ourselves”.

    • Tony Cloninger

      Well after that horrible period in May him not panicking and putting even more pressure on the team helped them win 14 out of 19. Get back to 2nd place.

      I don’t like excuses for having runners thrown out needlessly on the bases myself. Doubling down on we are not going to stop being aggressive. There’s also not being clearly dum either. Saying we are going to keep doing what we’re doing was not true. They started hitting the ball more the other way when they started winning again. They were Top 3 in pull stats prior to that. Maybe my eyes fool me and they have stopped doing that as much.
      They are 5th in walks and what? 7-8 in runs scored. Considering it’s like watching a team try to get hits like they were in 1968. Hard to believe. Shows how bad others are.

      Did someone actually say Milwaukee has a history of a winning culture? If you’re talking about the Brewers of the last 6 years sure. Besides that the only other winning baseball that organization ever looked at were the late 70s through mid 80s Robin Yount. Paul Molitor. Ben Ogilvie years.

      • Melvin

        David Bell actually has a winning record while Reds manager in the months of June and July. It’s the other four months he has a problem with.

  28. Indy Red Man

    I’m a Stuey guy but you have to score there. I remember in April when they had a man on 3rd 1 out and hit a looper to CF. Stuey just runs in and catches it and jogs in thinking it was the 3rd out while the guy runs in. He didn’t forget. It’s a ADD world now. I have it, but I laser focus on the 4-5 things I like. Idk man? If you think Bell has attention to detail or disciplines anyone then I don’t know what you’ve been watching? Candy was dead to rights the other day off 2B with 2 outs but the throw was bad. It’s literally everyone on the team. I think you can prove Xs and Os don’t equate to changing 10+ games a year but they all count. And I think Bell generally manages our pitching well except for his loyalty to Sims, but they need a new voice

    • Indy Red Man

      Under 4.5 through 5 innings. Even if the Reds go nuts and score 2 on Skenes they’d have to get 3 off Spiers and that kid competes