The Cincinnati Reds trailed early, but battled back in the middle innings to tie the game up. Then things fell apart in the 7th and 8th innings as the Dodgers took advantage of their opportunities and scored two runs in each inning to put themselves in front. Los Angeles held on from there to even up the series with a 7-3 victory.

Final R H E
Cincinnati Reds (19-26) 3 7 1
Los Angeles Dodgers (30-17)
7 9 2
W: Grove (2-2) L: Cruz (1-5)
Statcast | Box Score | Game Thread

After being shutdown for much of the series opener, the Dodgers wasted no time on Friday night as Mookie Betts led off the bottom of the 1st inning with a home run to put Los Angeles in front 1-0. Two innings later they would pad their lead when Shohei Ohtani went deep off of Frankie Montas for a 2-run, opposite field home run that made it a 3-0 ball game.

The Reds would start to battle back the next inning. Jonathan India led off with a single, moved to second on a wild pitch, and then take third on a grounder to second base. India would then score when Spencer Steer hit a grounder to shortstop to cut into the Dodgers lead. The next inning began with a home run from Stuart Fairchild that made it a 1-run deficit for Cincinnati. An inning later it was Tyler Stephenson hitting a solo home run to tie the game up.

When the bottom of the 6th started the Reds replaced Frankie Montas as he had 98 pitches on the day and really labored early on before settling in a bit. Lucas Sims entered the game and tossed a shutout frame.

Fernando Cruz took over for Cincinnati in the 7th and found himself in trouble immediately as he gave up a leadoff single. He would turn around and strike out Mookie Betts, but Shohei Ohtani hit a hard grounder that was fielded by a diving Jeimer Candelario who came up firing to second base. Elly De La Cruz caught it, stepped on the bag, then fired the ball to first but it got by Candelario and went into the photo well – sending Ohtani to second base with two outs. An intentional walk to Freddie Freeman followed. Will Smith then singled in the go-ahead run before a wild pitch brought in another run as the Dodgers went up by two.

The next inning saw Cincinnati turn to Alexis Diaz and things kept on spiraling for Diaz and for the Reds. Andy Pages singled with one out and then Jason Heyward followed up with a 2-run home run that made it 7-3.

Key Moment of the Game

It’s tough to pick one exact moment between the 7th and 8th inning that saw the Dodgers score two runs in each, but De La Cruz’s throw that put Ohtani on second base may have led to the intentional walk of Freddie Freeman, which then saw Will Smith come through with a go-ahead RBI hit. Maybe things are different if Cruz pitches to Freeman. But maybe they aren’t – he’s a pretty good hitter in his own right.

Notes Worth Noting

The “end” of the bullpen has been terrible this season. Fernando Cruz now has an ERA of 5.21. Alexis Diaz saw his ERA rocket up to 7.47. That’s not what you want to see from your closer and set up man.

Tyler Stephenson remains red hot. He’s have multi-hit games in his last four games in which he’s had a plate appearance. He’s hitting .317/.349/.561 in May through 43 plate appearances.

Up Next for the Cincinnati Reds

Cincinnati Reds vs Los Angeles Dodgers

Saturday May 18th, 9:10pm ET

Graham Ashcraft (3-2, 4.12 ERA) vs Walker Buehler (0-1, 7.36 ERA)

93 Responses

  1. Jason T.

    Spot on recap. That end of the bullpen has killed us. Tough to beat anyone with results like that.
    Montas didn’t have his best stuff but our starting pitching this season has been very good. Time to shuffle up some arms in the bullpen.
    Don’t Cruz and Diaz have options?

  2. jmb

    The disastrous duo does it again! And Montas’ mediocrity costs $15 mil.

  3. DW

    Diaz was very effective when his fastball was consistently hitting in the mid to upper 90’s. Throughout his struggles he has been sitting in the low to mid 90’s. There is probably more to it, especially with lack of command and control, but that kind of velocity drop is a big deal for a closer.

    • JayTheRed

      Wonder if there is some small injury or discomfort going on. Why else would his velocity drop like that. I haven’t really seen much of a difference in his delivery, but something is clearly off.

    • Jason Franklin

      He has been losing speed on his FB since the second half of last year. The team just seems to be thinking he will work himself out of it. I don’t see how this is possible? Has his mechanics changed or something? That is the only fixable way to improve his velocity. There has to be something up there.

      • DaveCT

        All of this suggests an injury, likely incurred in the second half of last season, IMO. If he had even the inking of elbow pain, he’d be shut down already, so I’m guessing some kind of shoulder issue is leading to the velo issues. Also, is it me or does he look more muscle bound this year? It’s probably just his body maturing, or perhaps he did a bunch of strengthening in the off season.

  4. Melvin

    Well we’re still Reds fans. Go get em tomorrow. 🙂

  5. Michael B. Green

    4 walks and a wild pitch equals a loss.

  6. Reddawg2012

    I remember how stubborn David Bell was about continuing to run Hunter Strickland out there in close games, even though he was just terrible. We better hope Cruz and Diaz get it together because unless Krall options them (lol), DB is going to keep turning to them in the biggest moments.

    “We know how good these guys are. They’ve done it for us so many times.” Something like that.

    • Oldtimer

      Hunter Strickland has 2.50 ERA with LAA this year. He is pitching very well so far.

      His ERA+ is somewhere near 160. His WHIP is about 0.8 this year.

      Luke Weaver has 2.25 ERA with 30 K to only 5 BB in 28 IP with NYY this year. His ERA+ is 175 and WHIP is 0.68 this year.

      Derek Law has ERA about 3.0 and leads NL appearing 23 games with WSN.

      Daniel Duarte was off to a good start but is sidelined with shoulder surgery.

      Maybe Reds pitchers just need to be coached by better managers and pitching coaches.

      • LarkinPhillips

        It’s almost like peroetual overuse and using relief pitchers for different roles each day results in them not performing their best. -sarcasm off.

        Relief pitchers are weird dudes, you have to provide them stability and consistency while not overusing them. I’ve said this many times on here that Bell finds a hit hand (cruz earlier this year) then runs them out there in different situations and pitches them way too frequently using one innings day in day out. That doesn’t work over the course of a long season.

      • LDS

        Amazing what getting out of Cincinnati does for pitchers’ performance. You can add more names if you want.

      • Justin T

        +1000 Strickland was out iut there to give up the game it seemed night after night after night. Players need to be put in situations to succeed. Everyone knew Weaver wasnt a starter except Bell and Johnson.

      • Mauired

        Maybe just maybe, these pitchers put up better numbers when they leave Cincy, because they aren’t continually left in too long to get beat up.

        Bell loves to squeeze every last out usually to the detriment to the pitcher. Maybe like I’ve been saying 5 years, other winning managers actually know when a pitcher is struggling and gassed and should be taken out for a fresh arm.

        The byproduct of that would result in lower ERAs in addition to more wins.

      • MK

        Fope Strickland stays where he is. Was in a Luxury Box a few years ago when Strickland came ynto pitch. The Reds empoyee, Bar Tender, started laughing as soon as he was announced.

    • greenmtred

      We have all lauded Cruz and Diaz, too. They aren’t doing well, no question. But the question is: If Bell doesn’t “run them out” for the late innings, whom should he run out?

      • Reddawg2012

        Pagan. Farmer. Suter. Anyone who hasn’t consistently blown games over the last two weeks.

      • greenmtred

        I guess those guys would be next in line, but we have, of course, panned all of them, although Suter has only gotten a little RLN abuse.

      • JB

        It’s called using the hot hand. Most managers do it and Kimbrel,for one, has already been pulled out of closing duties. Most managers put the relievers, who are struggling, in less pressure situations to let them get their confidence back. Bell leaves them in to falter game after game for what seems like forever. No need to send them down to AAA. Just put them in a less challenging situation like you are starting the 6th inning for example. Bell did it with Lorenzen.

  7. Klugo

    Diaz out there doing his best JJ Hoover.

    • DHud

      Yep. It’s time to move off him

      Reds need bullpen help in a bad way

    • Ted Alfred

      Yeah, but he was really good if you disregard his last 45+ appearances!!!!

  8. Redsvol

    No hits against the dodgers relieves and not one single walk by a reds hitter.

    I think Diaz is hurting. He has changed to almost a sidearm pitcher over last 12 months. That’s usually a sign.

    Cruz has changed from closer in waiting to probably 2nd worst bullpen pitcher. Might be time for one of them to go down with an inflamed era to work on things and call up Alex young or Tony Santillan.

  9. Mark A Verticchio

    Cruz has lost the lead in 4 straight appearances, allowing a big 2 out hit in all 4. He just isn’t that good, his control gets him in trouble and his fast ball is very easy to hit.
    On another note the Reds are in last place all by themselves. The question is will they ever get out, I now realize .500 is a pipe dream.

    • mac624

      It was pretty much a lost year with the 2 big injuries and the suspension, but add the closer issues and well, that’s a rap basically. While they may not finish in last, they will be sellers at the deadline and hopefully they rebuild and get healthy for next season, and somewhere along the line, find a dependable closer and set up man. The only disappointment to me, is wasting a year with EDLC. His time in a Reds uniform will end as soon as the team has no control on him. Hopefully ownership will take advantage of that and make a serious push before he’s gone, but I won’t hold my breath lol.

    • JayTheRed

      Make some changes in the bullpen use.
      Get rid of David Bell and his ho hum philosophy.
      Make some changes in the hitting coach. Maybe it’s time for Johnson to go too.
      Make the players do some batting practice more than they normally do or watch videos of their hitting style from last year and try to replicate.
      Send guys down who are not performing at the big-league level.
      If anyone is hitting .250 or higher at AAA call them up give them a chance. They are doing better than half the MLB team.

  10. Mark Moore

    Same as it ever was … same as it ever was … same as it ever was …

  11. RedsGettingBetter

    What can the Reds do about Cruz & Díaz right now? Apparently there is no many choices… Starting to Díaz who is the closer, I think is tough to named another guy as his replacement at least for the time being as Díaz could get back in his good shape. The problem is worse because Sims has been very inconsistent too. Farmer is having a good season but mainly in low leverage outings. Suter could be a setup but it doesn’t seem he has the closer profile. Emilio Pagán has been better recently and could deserve a shot as closer.
    Now, I wonder if Nick Martinez could be that temporary setup man while they have Spiers as a long reliever option , setting Díaz as mid-inning guy.

  12. Beaufort Red

    That error by EDLC was a killer. The difference between Elly and Espinal defensively are apparent . It will be interesting when the whole complement of McClain, Marte and Arroyo are available if he remains at short . I still feel shortstop is the most important defensive position on the field.

    • greenmtred

      Agree about shortstop’s importance. Elly shows flashes of brilliance, certainly, but he’s error prone. A function of youth and exuberance? McClain seemed very steady at short but perhaps without the brilliance. What puzzles me is that Elly seemed brilliant and steady at third base. Small sample size, to be sure.

    • Jim Walker

      Revisiting Doug’s description of the play…..

      (EDLC) “stepped on the (2B) bag, then fired the ball to first but it got by Candelario and went into the photo well –…. ”

      I saw the play in real time via Bally and think that is a fair description. Somebody had to get an error; and much like an EDLC error on a throw to Candelario at 1B a couple of weeks back, the throw looked catchable.

      To my eye, the issue was not that the throw was too high or too low or wildly off the bag. It was to the outfield side slightly wide. However, Candelario was unable to make the backhand reach across his body to pick the ball.

      To Candy’s defense, he had made a diving stop and thrown to 2B to start the sequence and had to hustle to set up for the throw. Also, Ohtani was coming across the bag as the throw arrived and may have been in Candy’s path to the ball.

      In retrospect EDLC probably should not have attempted the throw given Ohtani was the runner. Candy probably should have gotten a glove on the ball and at least knocked it down. This was probably a poster child play for a situational team error.

      • VaRedsFan

        I thought at the time that the rhythm of the play was thrown off by yet another lollipop throw by Candy. He waited for an eternity for that ball to get there, and Ohtani was right in his face when the ball finally arrived. Elly got the error and deservedly so.

      • LDS

        Maybe Candelario just isn’t that good first baseman. His fielding pct is decent but his range is more on par with an Olsen than a Goldschmidt and well less than Keith Hernandez, though probably everyone is. Should he have gotten a glove on the ball? Maybe. But who is going to get the error regardless, the young guy or the veteran. As in most endeavors in life, the veteran gets the privilege

  13. Jim Walker

    It caught my eye perusing the box score this Saturday morning after that India and Fairchild now have identical .642 OPS marks for 2024. Should we be gladder that Stu is progressing toward his career norm or more concerned India is diving further below his career norm??

    • DHud

      Bigger concern with India IMO

      Stu probably is who that number says – a good defensive OF with speed and occasional pop. We know this

      Reds really were counting on India hitting and him not is only going to further drive questions about his role on this team moving forward

    • Jim Walker

      Going a step further, Fairchild stands at .8 bWAR just past the quarter pole of the season while India is at just .2 bWAR. Defense counts.

      • JB

        Also Fairchild is nothing more than a role player who should play against Lefties. He is terrible against Righties with his .063 average. He should be used with a Benson or Fraley. Having both Benson and Fraley on the team serves no purpose. They need to get rid of one. India on the other hand has no future in the infield. Trading him for whatever they get is probably best.

      • Jim Walker

        @JB At his current rate, Fairchild will come in with just a tad more than 3.0 bWAR for the season. BBRef rates 2+ bWAR for a season as starter level. Will Benson is at 0.0 bWAR for 2024. Jake Fraley is at .2 bWAR for 2024. Maybe the Reds need to rethink something???

  14. Michael Wilson

    Very good to see Stephenson coming around. I thought CES would be our big bopper, Reds really need one. McLain would perhaps be the more solid SS but EDLC is the face of the Reds. Reds strength is running and Elly is the runner. We really need him in the lineup and we have to live with the fact that sometimes he tries to do too much. Cruz apparently had his best stuff but had bad luck. Diaz, who knows.

  15. LDS

    Ah, sole possession of last place. Who says the Reds can’t achieve their goals. The Reds aren’t very good. They won’t be very good when Marte gets back. And they won’t be very good when McLain gets back. As the bookies and forecasters pre-season, a third place team at best. And as I stated before the season, they will have trouble matching last year’s 82-80 record, without significant roster changes. This is Bell Ball folks. Get used to it. We’re stuck with him for at least the next two seasons after this. Accept that winning isn’t the agenda here.

    • greenmtred

      Well then, you have much to look forward to.

      • LDS

        @Greenmtred, do the Reds pay you to carry their water or do you simply like being the site’s Pollyana? You never seem to see things as they are, only how you hope they’ll be.

      • greenmtred

        You aren’t the first person I’ve encountered here who would benefit from a reading comprehension course, LDS. You assign the meaning you want to my comments and run with it. No pressure, but try reading them carefully and reacting to what I’m actually saying.

  16. Michael Wilson

    Hey, Louisville is five games over .500 and doing it with not very good pitching. Those AAAA players getting it done.

  17. Roger Garrett

    I like what Ty Steve is doing right now and if he gets his at bats either as catcher or as DH I believe he will have a bounce back year.India not so sure and to be honest i was s surprised he got a two year deal but we will see.Cruz’s stuff is good if he can throw it over the plate.Diaz’s velo is down and he is performing just as he did at the end of last year when the feeling was for the most part he was just worn out.Maybe he was but right now after sometimes as much as a week off his velo is still down.Mechanics?Hurt? I don’t know but its up to the pitching coach to get it right if he isn’t hurt.So far it ain’t working.No worries we will see plenty of both cause Bell will use them as long as he has them.Personally I would send Diaz down and bring up Santillan.Don’t see how it could be any worse.

    • Doc4uk

      What about the closer in Chattanooga?

      • Doug Gray

        The guy with 9 walks in 13.2 innings?

      • Jason T.

        I don’t know, only has given up 7 hits, has 26 strikeouts and holding batters to a .152 average. That’s against obviously AA talent but liking those numbers.

      • Doug Gray

        Yes, he’s not giving up hits and he’s striking out a billion guys, but he’s also walking a ton. That just doesn’t work in the big leagues. They’re going to make more contact, they’re going to lay off of more piches, they’re going to walk more. The gap between AA and MLB has never been bigger than it is today.

      • Jason T.

        With Diaz and his 12 BB in 15.2 innings and Cruz with 12 BB in 19 innings we’re not getting better out of them either. Plus era’s over 7 and 5 respectively it’s time to make some bullpen changes. What we’ve been doing clearly hasn’t been working with these two.
        I’ll have to see what AAA has to offer.

      • Doug Gray

        Except you probably ARE getting better walk rates out of them because they’re doing that against big leaguers, not watered down Double-A guys (again, every level of minor league baseball is at a lower level of talent than it has been in the past because of the roster limits and how it’s eliminated your “older veteran” types at those levels who were good players but not prospects).

      • Old-school

        @doug

        I noticed last year at AAA some of the scores 18-11 etc made it a farce

        When did the chasm between upper minors and big leagues grow so wide? Tyler mahle and castillo in AA were pretty much ready

        Was it covid?

      • Doug Gray

        This year the gap got a lot bigger because domestic MiLB rosters dropped by 15 roster spots. A lot of late-20’s aged guys with some big league experience, but are more likely AAAA guys never got signed because teams decided to stick with cheaper guys who are also not likely to be future big leaguers. In terms of long term success for a club that probably doesn’t matter. But when it comes to development, it’s leaving a big gap because those guys with that experience are good baseball players, even if they don’t necessarily have the big league all-star tools. They can locate pitches. They can grasp the strikezone and punish mistakes and make pitchers work more. And then there’s the elimination of the rookie leagues, too, that has softened the A-ball clubs, too. Guys who would never have been in A-ball are littering those rosters now.

      • DaveCT

        Old School, there was an interesting comment on a MLTR chat a few weeks ago, in which the host paraphrased a comment that there’s never been such a big gap between AAA and the Major Leagues, in part because when guys (hitters) go up they are not just facing really talented pitchers but also guys who have access to jaw dropping technology to dissect hitters.

      • Old-school

        Good stuff doug and Dave

        I know I saw AAA and AA scores last year and said this is a joke

        CES was a bad ball hitter in AAA

        Explains why he cant be a bad ball hitter in mlb

        Problem then becomes what value is there going back to AAA to “ learn”

      • greenmtred

        The technology also works in reverse and probably explains some decisions that seem inexplicable. Interesting discussion.

  18. Grover

    The injuries hurt but what is more concerning is how bad Steer and Benson are. If those 2 are that bad then the rebuild is going to last a long time. The end of the bullpen is terrible but lets keep Santillan in the minors to save a couple bucks. Do Diaz and Cruz have options left?

    • Jim Walker

      Yes and yes on options for Cruz and Diaz. Santillan does not have an option which means (per Bell at the end of ST) that when Santillan is up he is up to stay.

      Those 16 pitches Suter threw on Thursday night and Moll’s inability to close the game out with a 7 run lead going into the bottom of the 9th on Thursday changed the complexion of Bell’s options for Friday.

      Here’s something to ponder. Both teams required the same number of pitches on Thursday to record 27 outs (164); but, the Dodgers used only 3 arms while the Reds needed 7 arms.

      Perhaps strategic choices are made above Bell’s level which drive his tactical choices. Or, perhaps he is a party to those choices; or, uses the arms he has as he chooses regardless of their possible capabilities to pitch longer stretches. Either way, the 1 inning/ handedness driven tactics Bell uses with the pen may be telling to the pens performance.

      • Roger Garrett

        Bell is just Bell and he will not change regardless.Martinez got 15 outs and got the game to the 7th.It took 4 pitchers before him to get 6 outs and two pitchers after him to get 6 outs.The Reds were ahead before they even threw a pitch and never trailed in the game.Bell takes his level of managing to a level never seen or even thought of.Now even I have trouble believing he had all of that scripted but he may have.Now you know the pen guys loved that.

    • JayTheRed

      Steer has 1.5 years of a pretty good track record. Not really sure what is up with him. I think Benson needs to be sent down. Hope they both get it going soon.

  19. Old-school

    Really amazing looking around the NL standings as it’s 4 really good teams and just 1 other team above .500. Rest of the NL are all below .500

    Braves, Phillies and Dodgers clear cut best teams. Brewers strong start and cubs are ok. After that , a bunch of mediocre to bad teams.

    See what happens in June and if the bats a catch a hot streak when the weather warms in GABP. Mid to upper 80’s and sunny early next week.

    Good news is starting pitching has been solid. Greene and Abbott great. Lodolo good when healthy and Ashcraft decent. Montas and Martinez are giving innings and the starters ERA is almost 2 runs lower than last year. Throw in Elly growing into a (super) star, the bounce back year of Stephenson and not all is lost. See if they can scratch out a win today or tomorrow, get some rest and kiss the West coast goodbye for the year.

    • Rednat

      Great post old school. The reds problem’s reflect the leagues problems’. Good pitching just not enough good position players to go around.
      The league is collapsing before our eyes. Does the commisioner make more rule changes to promote the offense? Contraction? Or do we just have a situation like the nba where you have teams with winning percentages in the .200s. It will be interesring to sre.

      • JayTheRed

        Contraction may be something baseball needs to consider. The level of play has dropped quite a bit both on the hitting side and pitching side both. Is baseball ok with 2/3 of their teams being mediocre? This has been a rough year for me both my NL and AL favorite teams are in last place currently. Sigh. Maybe I need to stop paying so close attention and just check on them in a few weeks and see where they stand.

      • Doug Gray

        Contraction, or like $4,000,000,000 in expansion fees…..

        And I would like to go on the record and say that the level of play has never, ever been higher. The issue is that both sides are too good in certain areas that it makes you feel like they aren’t good. Not enough contact is being made because pitchers are too good overall, but hitters have to also try to hit the ball as hard as they can because when you do make contact you have to be able to take advantage of that.

      • Mauired

        Contraction? Lol. Anyone thinking MLB would ever interact doesn’t know anything about how the world works. And it really does always come down to money.

        In a vacuum yeah they definitely should contract because there are about five teams at least that have no intention of winning baseball games and are basically minor league teams every year. The talent has been watered down and they probably shouldn’t have expanded in the 90s. Marlins Rockies and Diamondbacks are typically bad teams with an occasional 2-year stretch in a decade where they are actually good. Rays have been a little more successful overall but they don’t sell any tickets because they’re in a terrible part of town and a terrible stadium but that’s a whole other issue.

        The bottom line is if there are another 50 roster spots added to MLB that’s basically adding 50 more minor league players to the league. Not good if you’re wanting to see the best of the best at the sport.

        But again none of that matters to MLB. What matters to MLB is dollars in their pockets and when you add franchises to the league to get more TV money and more ticket sales.

    • Mauired

      For good points old-school. Reds have been very bad but on the bright side, they got the toughest part of schedule out of the way. They have 3 games in Denver but besides that they will be playing every game east of the Rockies going for the remainder of the season. Just six weeks into a six month season lots of time left.

      Five years ago, Nationals started 19-31 and won the World Series. I’m not saying Reds are going all the way this year but I also don’t think it’s unreasonable to say there is time to win a wild card and get into playoffs. That alone would be a big accomplishment and big step forward for this organization considering it’s been overdecade since they have made the playoffs in full season baseball.

  20. VaRedsFan

    Above, Oldtimer listed a lot of names that move on from the Reds and have seen immediate success in a different system.
    There are plenty of others too. Gausman, Desclafini, Lorenzen, Perez, Floro, and the list goes on.

    It’s certainly possible that a few guys can move on and immediately get better, but this long of a list just screams of evidence that the Red’s pitching processes aren’t clicking with so many of the pitchers they have had.

    Maybe that pitcher that was released was on to something when he said the Reds don’t really have a plan for their pitchers.

    • DaveCT

      That was Levi Stoudt, going back to the Nariners, who most definitely have a successful pitching program.

  21. Old-school

    I think the Reds are going to roll with Steer, Benson, and India. All of them need a long look. With McLain out till August and CES out as well and marte out till late June, this is India’s year to sink or swim as a core Reds righty bat. It’s not looking good.

    Same with Benson with Friedl out. Give him a long look in CF and every day at bats( just not in the 1/2 hole). Hes going to have to get better over the next 6 weeks and cut his K rate or be relegated to a 4th OF. Probably going to get better production from a Fairchild, Fraley platoon than Benson every day but Benson gets another 6 weeks to write his script and make his case.

    I think Steer will turn things around and adjust after an awful May . Brutal month for him and looks like he needs some GABP home cooking as the summer weather rolls in.

    • VaRedsFan

      Benson can’t continue to get starts against lefties. I just don’t get it.
      Benson vs lefties is batting .100 (48 PA’s)
      Fraley in a SSS is at .333. (19 PA’s)

      Why does Will have 3x more chances than Jake?

    • VaRedsFan

      BTW…Cool story about you seeing Mason Miller back in his college days.
      You never know when you will be in the presence of greatness.
      My boy ran track in High School and College. Back in high school we were at the same meet as future World Champions Grant Holloway and Noah Lyles. See them at the Olympics in London this summer.

    • Daytonnati

      Interesting Old-school, I was reading a column in The Athletic by Jim Bowden (aka “leather pants” according to Marty, about how difficult it is to decide when a prospect is ready. He cites these two examples:

      “You never know what a rookie is going to do with his first opportunity. In his first cup of coffee in the majors in 2011, Mike Trout hit just .220 over 135 plate appearances with the Angels. Five years later, when Aaron Judge debuted with the Yankees in 2016, he hit a dismal .179 and struck out in 50 percent of his at-bats. This year, Holliday went 2-for-34 before being optioned back to the minors. Bottom line: How rookies perform in their initial shot in the majors is never a true indication of what type of player they’re going to be.”

    • Tracy Jones

      Because the A’s would never ever do this ridiculous trade. Certainly they could make a deal for Mason Miller, but it’s going to cost way more than Dunn and Richardson.

    • Old-school

      I agree on the overarching point the Reds need a high leverage back of pen quality arm

      Unfortunately I think Krall and Bell are going to stick with the bullpen as its constructed x cosmetic changes

      Sims Pagan Farmer Suter Martinez are vets and here for the duration

      It will be interesting to see what happens if/when Sims, Cruz, diaz continue to mangle the late innings. Count me in as giving Santillan a shot

    • Daytonnati

      Because Mason Miller is a nice thing 🙂

  22. DHud

    Reds may look for another Sam Moll type acquisition this summer, but historically have not wanted to commit assets to the bullpen. They’ve either gone for diamond in rough signings or filled in house

    That said – what’s the plan for the in house options this season? The next 3?

    If it was me – anyone currently below Lowder on the SP depth chart and ahead of him time wise is pushed to the pen yesterday. Richardson and Phillips are the main two n my mind

  23. Indy Red Man

    Almost no one mentioned the loss of Gibaut, but he was pretty dependable last year. Good news is a pen can be remade pretty quickly, but bad news it might not be this one? Cruz, Farmer, Moll, and Sims are 30+ with no upside. Cruz is a mess and I don’t see much on the immediate horizon in the minors? I think Krall better get busy flipping Montas for a live arm or 2. I love Farley, but he may have to go as well. We need some arms!
    Offensively it’s good to see Stephenson coming around and Fairchild has smoked a couple balls in this series. CES and Benson? If they both bust out then we’re in trouble. Big summer for Marte too, but it will be garbage time before he gets back.
    Core of the team is talented, but not much but potential at this point

  24. RedBB

    Diaz needs to go on the IL or to AAA if he has options. He is clearly not right.

  25. Mauired

    As soon as Lodolo comes back in about a week, Reds should shift Martinez to closer.

    Send Diaz to Louisville. Get Santillan back on the 40 man and on the Reds.

  26. Rob

    I don’t get some of the thinking on here. We are in the midst of the latest rebuild. We are probably closer to maturity than to infancy. Louisville is empty and Chattanooga is pretty empty. There is another wave of young talent in a couple of years. We may not like what is going on but the core of the team is in place for the next couple of years. Sending underperforming guys to the minors is at best discipline. Hurtebise and Capel are different faces but are not going to improve the team. Trading Benson or India isn’t going to bring you anything significant in return other than a bigger salary. With all the offensive injuries, this team is probably not good enough to compete no matter what Krall and Bell say. The only salvation is if they come to grips with the situation and make a couple significant trades. Not Benson or India or Diaz. But top 10 prospects. 2025 doesn’t shake out any differently except for the Marte and McLain pieces. You still have the core and you will still need guys like Monte’s, Martinez, Pagan, and Suter. To be factual, they have not been great but they haven’t been the big under performers. That honor belongs to India, Benson, Diaz, Sims, CES, and others.

    • Mauired

      It’s not discipline. It’s giving a guy to work out issues in a less hostile environment. Also gives the team an opportunity to look at a pitcher having more success at the big league level. It’s not about egos. It’s about wins.

    • greenmtred

      Reasonable points, Rob, but adding Marte McLain and Friedl –assuming production similar to what we saw last year–should make a significant difference. For that matter, it seems possible that CES has been playing hurt so his return in good health could add substantially, as well. Half of the eight position players, after all. Yes, I know: good play from all of them shouldn’t be assumed, and McLain may not be healed enough to be a factor this season.

    • Indy Red Man

      Agree Green! Too early to say this team won’t score a ton. Freidl, McLain, CES, Steer, Benson, and Marte were all over .800 ops last year with Elly and Stephenson showing huge improvement over last year. Maybe Candy is in that ballpark too? I want all those guys together for a stretch

      • Mauired

        As ugly as it’s been the Reds are not dead.

        There is still four and a half months of baseball left and miraculously the Reds are only three games out of the playoffs. Granted they do need to jump seven other teams but if they can get on a big winning streak like they had last year they can get back in the hunt.

        Hopefully the fact that they’ve gotten through the worst part of their schedule and all of their West Coast road games they can get healthy and get whole and start scoring enough runs through get back in there.

      • Rob

        I also agree that there is considerable space for improvement from the existing roster.But I am still having a hard time seeing offensive output from Benson, Hurtebise, Capel, and Ford when we are facing a lefty. Just think there is an imbalance here that needs addressed if we realistically expect to win 70 of the next 120.