The Cincinnati Reds scored two runs in the 8th inning to take a lead, but then they saw that lead evaporate in the bottom of the 9th inning when Alexis Diaz showed he had no idea where the strikezone was before giving up a walk-off hit to former Reds infielder Kevin Newman.

Final R H E
Cincinnati Reds (17-24) 5 10 0
Arizona Diamondbacks (20-22)
6 11 1
W: Martinez (1-0) L: Diaz (1-2)
Statcast | Box Score | Game Thread

Graham Ashcraft had to battle in the 1st inning – both the Diamondback hitters as well as luck. He got a grounder off of the bat of Ketel Marte, but the ball then hit the bag and bounced by Jeimer Candelario for a single. Joc Pederson then battled for 11 pitches that resulted in a single of his own, but Ashcraft clamped down and got a pop up and ground out to end the inning with no damage done other than running up his pitch count.

He wasn’t as lucky in the next inning as Gabriel Moreno hit a 1-out, opposite field solo home run to give Arizona a 1-0 lead. Pavin Smith singled and moved to third when Kevin Newman came through with a double. But Ashcraft was once again able to escape that jam with a pop up and a ground out to end the inning.

Cincinnati’s offense got into action in the top of the 3rd as Santiago Espinal led off with a single. Elly De La Cruz kept the inning alive with a 2-out walk and that set things up for Spencer Steer to line a 2-run double into the right field corner to give the Reds the lead. That lead lasted about five minutes as Joc Pederson led off the bottom of the inning with homer to center.

Ashcraft didn’t help himself from there as he allowed a single and then two walks later in the inning to load the bases up. That led to the go-ahead run when Pavin Smith had a sacrifice fly. He would get through the 4th inning unscathed, but it would be his last inning as his pitch count reached 94. Emilio Pagan took over in the 5th and struck out the side.

The Reds saw Tyler Stephenson pick up a 1-out double and then move to third on a single by Jeimer Candelario. Mike Ford then hit a soft liner into left field to bring in Stephenson and tie the game up.

During the top of the 7th inning Cincinnati cost themselves two different baserunners. Jonathan India walked with one out, but was thrown out stealing second base on a 3-0 pitch to Elly De La Cruz. The next pitch was lined into left field for a single, but De La Cruz thought about trying to turn it into a double before changing his mind, but it was too late as he got caught in a rundown and was tagged out to end the inning.

Fernando Cruz got himself into trouble in the bottom of the frame. He struck out the first two batters he faced but then walked the next two before Eugenio Suarez lined an RBI single into left to put Arizona back on top by a score of 4-3. Cruz followed up with another walk and after 30 pitches in the inning Derek Johnson made his way to the mound for a chat as the bases were loaded. Two pitches later a fly out to center would end the inning and leave the bases loaded.

Cincinnati got a leadoff walk from Spencer Steer, who moved up to second base on a ground out. Jeimer Candelario then lined a ball to center where Corbin Carroll made a sliding attempt on the ball and was ruled to have caught it as Steer rounded the bases believing that he hadn’t and was then doubled off. The Reds challenged the play and replay showed the ball hit the grass before landing in Carroll’s glove, tying up the game at 4-4. Mike Ford then hit a ball off of the wall in right-center that took a funny bounce and past the outfielders and he was able to leg out an RBI triple to put Cincinnati in front. Jacob Hurtubise, who was just called up on Monday afternoon, made his big league debut at that point as a pinch runner at third for Ford. He would be stranded there as the game moved to the bottom of the 8th with the Reds on top.

In a game that continued to test your nerves, Justin Wilson took over in the 8th for the Reds and gave up a single to Kevin Newman and then hit Corbin Carroll with a pitch to start the frame. Wilson picked up a strikeout of Ketel Marte, bringing Joc Pederson to the plate. After getting ahead 0-2, he fired a breaking ball for a called third strike. Pederson, and the Hawkeye camera’s disagreed, but that didn’t matter. But it was the frustration from Pederson after the call that got him ejected after he had argued earlier in the game with the home plate umpire who wasn’t going to have it happen a second time. Manager Torey Louvullo would also be tossed in the next 30 seconds as he came out to defend his player.

The Reds then turned the game over to Lucas Sims with two outs and two on. Christian Walker came to the plate and on the first pitch he tried to check his swing but instead he made contact with the ball and it tricked out to Sims in front of the plate and he made an underhand toss over to first to end the inning after a single pitch thrown.

After Cincinnati went down in the top of the 9th, Alexis Diaz entered the game looking for the save in the bottom of the inning. His first pitch was a 95 MPH fastball that hit Lourdes Gurriel Jr. in the ribs. After being checked on he would eventually make his way down to first base, representing the tying run. Eugenio Suarez lined out to left field, but Diaz then walked the next batter to put the tying run in scoring position and the winning run on first base with one out. He then walked the following hitter to load the bases. That brought Kevin Newman to the plate and the former Red picked up his 4th hit of the night – a walk-off 2-run single.

Key Moment of the Game

Alexis Diaz’s entire 9th inning performance.

Notes Worth Noting

Since the start of August last season, Alexis Diaz has walked 28 batters, hit seven batters, and struck out 34 batters in 34.2 innings pitched. That’s more walks + hit batters than he’s got strikeouts or innings pitched.

Jeimer Candelario’s two hits in the game raised his average to .297 in May. He hit .189 in March/April.

Cincinnati is now 1-12 in their last 13 games.

Up Next for the Cincinnati Reds

Cincinnati Reds vs Arizona Diamondbacks

Tuesday May 14th, 9:40pm ET

Hunter Greene (1-2, 3.38 ERA) vs Slade Cecconi (1-2, 4.15 ERA)

112 Responses

  1. Jason T.

    Steer and Ford were positives. Nice job of Steer going opposite to right. Ford with a big triple and went 2-4.

    Ashcraft a struggle. He perplexes me. Talented but seems to struggle with walks and control.

    Diaz and Benson are major disappointments that need to go to AAA like yesterday. And then Mr. Bell…

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    • Jason T.

      Candelario also 2 big hits and he’s been heating up as of late.

      Listening to Bell in his postgame interview just makes me want to bang my head against a wall. Saying Diaz has been so good? Does he have a clue? How can he say that with a straight face? Diaz has not looked right all season and his numbers bear that.

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      • Doug Gray

        David Bell is never going to say something bad about his players publicly. If you’re expecting that, you’re going to be forever disappointed.

      • Ted Alfred

        Diaz was also fairly terrible last year after the allstar break. Bell must think Reds fans re all morons.

      • Brian

        Doug, not to speak for Jason but I don’t think he was saying that Bell should say something bad about the player but not to brag and say the opposite of the truth about the player. Anyways, it’s been a frustrating season of baseball so far.
        It really feels like 10 games under and last place is how they’ll be leaving the west coast.

      • Jim Walker

        If any video of Dusty Baker’s post game comments still while with the Reds exists, David Bell might be well served to take a look at it. I recollect that while Dusty never directly criticized a player in those comments, he had the skill of subtly needling them and putting them on notice they needed to get their act together.

        He would say something like “We didn’t handle (a situation) as well as we should have. We all know we need to do better next time; and, if we don’t I’ll have to have some private conversations”. A comment like that would have fit at least 2 relievers last night.

      • Dennis Westrick

        Diaz has not been “good” since the first half of last season!

      • Jason T.

        Thanks Brian, no, you nailed it.

        I expect a manager to hold his players accountable. Not asking for him to be vocally demonstrative but preach discipline and accountability. I didn’t expect him to come out to talk down about Diaz but do expect a manager of any team to be more forthcoming with the poor results overall that he’s produced since mid season last year. He could say we’re working diligently to improve individual and team performance. As fans we all see the lack of results and that starts with the manager on down. 1-12 in our last 13 games just isn’t good enough. Injuries or not, players need to step up. Coaches need to step up.

    • Ted Alfred

      Good thing we sent Moll down so Sims and Diaz can save us…geez. Only the Reds

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      • Nicole Cushing

        That move made it abundantly clear that the Castellinis aren’t interested in competing. It not only removed a quality reliever from the roster, it might also have had a negative impact on team morale. (I know I’d be pissed if I were a player and saw one of my best teammates sent down.)

      • Brian

        The thing is, it may play with Moll’s Psyche too while he’s down or when he does come back up. Don’t mess with something that’s going good.

      • MK

        Moll missed all of ST. Do we have any idea if he was physically 100%. These are things we don’t know and I’ve heard no criticism from Moll or teammates on his AAA move.

  2. DataDumpster

    Reds got some lucky breaks and were fortunate to even be in this game. The DBacks had 14 LOB while sprinkling 11 hits to go along with the 10 passes (8 BB + 2 HBP) they were given. They got beat by Newman of all people who had 4 hits and the winning RBIs. In one run games, 1-9 for the season. I suppose many would say that is not due to the manager but I would disagree. At the post presser, Bell could only rave about how good Diaz has been for the team and actually received some pushback from Day. Throw in some stupid “aggressive” plays (again) and about the only positive I can see at this point is that the Candy man seems to be maintaining a steadiness at the plate for 2 or 3 weeks now.

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    • Jim Walker

      The big news here is that whoever has the authority to do so must have given Jim Day the nod to turn up the heat on Bell at least a little bit.

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      • DaveCT

        I’m not sure if that is true or not, or how we’d ever know given the closed system that the Reds org is. However … it’s clear the Reds broadcasters are not hired to call the game so much as market the team. They have titles implying they are ‘sports journalists,’ yet their actions are in promotions. Q: How well does that work? A: It doesn’t. How can the broadcasters call the game, report on the clubhouse and query the administration while promoting the team is perhaps THE critical question, and failure, in the accountability so often sought here at RLN. And it is by design. It is also an abuse of the public trust with the corporation known as the Cincinnati Reds. Where else are we going to go?

  3. Ksdavis

    There was a game earlier this year( don’t know the team) where a player didn’t hustle going to first base. Manager pulled the player. Maybe it is time Bell does that. After being called out by a former player Thursday and on a network broadcast Saturday maybe someone will stand up and do something about it. If Bell doesn’t then he should be fired.

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    • VaRedsFan

      Jose Siri was removed from a game earlier for lackadaisical effort. Bryce Harper has also been benched for similar acts.

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      • Ksdavis

        Siri was the player that I was referring to. Ex Red

      • MK

        Siri was replaced for a lack of hustle on a defensive play, not for dogging it to first base.

  4. Gpod

    Is there somebody…anybody in the media that will actually challenge Bell on the ridiculous claims that he makes and the decisions that are made, and lack of “ baseball smarts” that this team shows, day in and day out. if I hear him say “we are gonna learn from this’ one more time, my head is gonna explode!

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    • 1.667

      That’s what frustrates me the most. The lack of accountability held by the media allows Bell to avoid any real questions that should be addressed. I know Bell won’t ever give a deep response, but that doesn’t mean reporters shouldn’t ask.

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      • MK

        Have a friend that is a Reds best writer. Since CoVid he doesn’t go to that many games anymore. He watches them on TV and then does interviews with Zoom from his living room. Hard to get tough that way.

  5. Erik the Red

    This season is headed toward an iceberg like the Titanic. It is the bad movie that we watch over and over for some reason.

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    • CI3J

      The S.S. Cincinnati Reds captained by David Bell.

      When Captain Bell is told the ship is heading straight for an ice berg, he nonchalantly says, “That doesn’t change who we are. Full steam ahead.”.

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    • Ted Alfred

      I hate to say I called this pretty much as it’s happened. I just have absolutely no faith in Bell’s managing and felt strongly this would be the result when they extended him last year… right in the middle of last years 2nd half collapse.

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  6. CI3J

    Hey, remember a few weeks ago when Kimbrel was struggling to close out the game against the Reds and his manager pulled him before he could give up the lead, thus preserving the win?

    Well… That… I mean… Hmmm… I forget what point I was trying to make.

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    • JB

      Kimbrel is the exact thing I was thinking of when I read the recap this morning. Bell loves to leave his pitchers in until they give up the lead. Bell The Magnificent

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    • Mark Moore

      And it looks like the O’s are taking him out of the “closer” role as well.

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  7. AMDG

    Yes, Diaz is a terrible reliever, and we can blame him for blowing the game.

    But it also falls on Bell for using such a bad pitcher in such a high leverage situation.

    It would be one thing if this was an outlier, but it’s just who Diaz is.

    In his last 42 outings (since July 22 of last season) Diaz had a 5.87 ERA and a 1.61 WHIP heading into last night.

    No sane person would consider that body of work to be “closer” material.

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    • Randoxu1

      Couldn’t agree more. Unfortunately our great manager will never make the decisions necessary to win games. Diaz should be nowhere near the closers role. Out of all the relievers based on performance, Diaz should be the one sent down instead Moll who’s is one of our best relievers is in Louisville. Bell will never make a decision that needs to be made. Another lost season.

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    • Jon

      Yet Moll is in AAA. While Sims and Diaz continue to blow games. Great roster management by Krall!

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  8. William

    The Reds have the wrong manager. I was optimistic with this team in the beginning. Now, I am doubtful. That said, I think they will be better than this.

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    • CI3J

      They are definitely better than they’ve showed.

      But they still won’t be as good as they SHOULD be.

      It’s really time for a new direction and a new voice in the clubhouse. The Reds’ competitive window should be opening very soon, yet they’re still just running in place.

      We can’t squander this opportunity that we’ve spent so long patiently waiting for.

      They HAVE to move on from David Bell.

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  9. Redsvol

    You know, in the modern game of baseball, it’s really hard to lose this many games in a row. Even the Rockies and marlins avoid being swept.

    This team is officially embarrassing. Time to make bigger changes.

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  10. Doc4uk

    I have been consistent in saying Diaz is not right. He has lost velo and cannot get his breaking pitch over for a strike. Not a good combination for a closer. He should be sent down to see if he can find his control as should Sims Santillan , Maxwell, and Moll should be brought up

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    • CFD3000

      Agree. Can’t help but wonder if there is a physical issue there. It’s not just that he has struggled mightily since August last year, but that he was so good for the first four months of 2023. Is he hurt in some way, or has he changed his mechanics or? Pretty clear he can’t be trusted as the closer. It’s past time to get Moll and Santillan in the bullpen. Diaz to AAA with a stop for a medical assessment. Would it really matter if the Reds lost Wilson or Sims because they are out of options? I for one don’t think so.

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    • Justin T

      He couldnt buy a strike when he needed one lastnight.

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    • RED THUNDER

      Diaz has lost velo. His first pitch fastball is about 95 but after that he only hits 92. Seems something is wrong. I’ve been watching it like a hawk lately and its a pattern with him. Just not the same pitcher he was before but hope it turns around for him and the team.

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  11. Doc4uk

    Also I have been a fan of Bell’s but now I too am becoming concerned. The continued push for Diaz to be a closer is enough to make me question his judgement. Clearly there are better options like Cruz. It also does not appear that our players are held accountable for “little league mistakes”.

    Having said this there is no question that Krall is also responsible with this set back in the re-build! None of the free agents he signed are really adding anything significant and some of our young players are regressing.

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    • Jim Walker

      Cruz coughed up a lead last night in the 7th. From a 2 men out nobody on base position, he walked 2 men and then allowed a run scoring single.

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      • MFG

        Cruz looks tired, Diaz is over-rated and so is Derek Johnson for that matter. The Reds are not good enough to win many games making all the fundamental mistakes they do. Errors, bad base running, walking to many hitters, etc. They still have it in them to reel off 10 wins in a row but they need to clean up their unforced mistakes and play clean baseball.

  12. Doc4uk

    Also I have been a fan of Bell’s, but now I too am becoming concerned.

    Having said this, there is no question that Krall is also responsible for this set back in the re-build! None of the free agents he signed are really adding much except for perhaps Montas .

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  13. Tar Heel Red

    it seems blatantly obvious to me that a major change needs to be made. In my opinion the coaching staff has completely lost control of the team. There doesn’t seem to be any accountability for the constant baserunning gaffes, flimsy defense, mental errors, poor pitch selection, etc, etc, etc. Maybe they are addressing these issues in private (which, of course, they should) but to the naked eye there sure doesn’t seem to be any progress being made.
    Elly, and a few others, need to sit a couple games…if for no other reason than to reinforce that these bonehead mistakes will NOT be tolerated. Of course, out current manager will not even consider this, so it this type of play will continue on and on.

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  14. Indy Red Man

    They were making moves and all the injuries held off for a few weeks and I thought can they hit 90? The answer is a resounding yes. I’m going to look up the current win totals and bet under. That’s like 18 guys having off seasons compared to what they were or what everyone thought they’d be

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    • Justin T

      When we played the D Backs last series their manager spoke about how they practiced picking off Elly over and over. Im sure they got a nice chuckle out of it last night after they did it again.

      It is MIND NUMBING that this young man is getting routinely picked off on the bases. Noone can help him w this? Maybe I could call my son’s 10U coach to help? Bell has been here 5 years, his fingerprints are all over this team and how they play.

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  15. JB

    Today’s Cincinnati Parley we have 11 strikeouts, 1 tootblan, 1 blown save.

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  16. LDS

    Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Bell should have pulled Diaz at bases loaded and had someone else face Newman. The Reds have now tied St. Louis in last place. If they don’t play better today, it could well be theirs after tonight. In the meantime, Krall fiddles while the Bell burns the franchise to the ground.

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    • Jim Walker

      Perhaps, just perhaps, Krall is handing Bell the rope.

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      • LDS

        Haha, I wouldn’t be betting my life savings on that idea. I wonder if Krall even recognizes the problem. And again, winning is not a priority for this organization, apparently at any level.

      • Jim Walker

        Yes but they are sensitive to $$$$; and, unless they already have the presales through the summer, they are going to be hurting big time at the gate compared to what they probably projected based on the breakout last June-August.

      • Dewey Roberts

        I wish. But I don’t think so.

  17. Mark A Verticchio

    After last night you would think it couldn’t get worse but at 17 and 24 I think there is a good chance they return home 17 and 29 and losing 16 of 17. If that happens nobody should show up at the next home game if changes are not made.

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  18. Klugo

    On the one one hand, Bell can say he believes in his players together job done. On the other hand, I think he may keep throwing them out there just to be able to throw his hands up and say “It’s not me. It’s them. They’re just not getting the job done”.
    Anyways, last place, here we come.

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  19. Mark A Verticchio

    Diaz since last August, more walks-hit batters than innings pitched, please tell Bell that is not closer material. Bring up Moll and Santillan, How much worse can they do?

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  20. Reddawg2012

    I will always love the Reds and follow them, but the apathy has definitely set in for me this season. When Diaz gave up that game winning hit, I literally laughed, turned the TV off, and went to bed. Not even remotely surprised or frustrated. You come to expect it. We are losers. Maybe next year, right?

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    • Jim Walker

      Yeah by the end we all knew what was coming. It was just a matter of how it went down.

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    • Jeremiah

      I’m with you…I still check the score mostly daily and I enjoy reading and posting on here occasionally, but I feel that apathy. Usually it occurs when they may be like completely out of the race in August I stop kind of paying attention, but I find myself doing that 40 games into the season here.

      On the other hand though, it’s still fairly early, where my interest would increase a little more if they start playing better. I wouldn’t call myself a bandwagon fan, but maybe a bit!

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  21. Mark Moore

    Newman … again … SMH so very hard!!! 😮

    At least we’re helping the Snakes get back on track, right? 😐

    I’m personally not a fan of the “set closer” designation. That goes triple when the guy in that role has a history of what we saw last night. Plus, the bullpen has been extremely variable, making things even more challenging.

    TOOTBLANS, bad luck, not capitalizing on opportunities … the mention above about the bad movie we watch over and over again … the one where we keep hoping that somehow the group of teens escape the deranged murderer but continue to make stupid decisions.

    And I get what Doug says about Bell not being negative in a presser. He shouldn’t. But he also can’t deny the struggles and piling on feint praise doesn’t help.

    Early season rankings are out and our Mr. Bell is now 40 of 30 Field Managers in MLB. And the trend ain’t good from where I sit.

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    • Jim Walker

      “…But he (Bell) also can’t deny the struggles and piling on feint praise doesn’t help

      Exactly. If he just said, “We aren’t where we need to be. We know we need to do better and are trying to do that”. he would probably receive some empathy from fans given all the injuries and the Marte suspension. Instead, he comes off like a guy out of touch or living a different reality.

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    • Melvin

      “Early season rankings are out and our Mr. Bell is now 40 of 30 Field Managers in MLB.”

      😀

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  22. Dennis Westrick

    This (losing) is no longer funny or unique! Get a clue Bell! Diaz cannot be trusted to be The Closer in a one run game!

    It baffles me why Bell did not remove Diaz after the second of 2 walks!

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  23. Dennis Westrick

    One more thing! Congratulations are in order this morning! The Reds are now in LAST PLACE in the NL Central Division! This is beyond embarrasing!

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    • Melvin

      They’re out of last place in terms of BA and Hits though. Whitesox passed them up. :)….barely.

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  24. DataDumpster

    Our pitching is still a strong point but cracks are starting to show, some weak starting pitcher outings and this mess of the Moll situation. Now, he was sent down 5/6 so I believe he has to stay until 5/20 (??). Sims, despite his lucky pitch yesterday, seems to have fallen for the gopher much too often as of late. But like all the fallen relievers that Bell “had faith in” before, don’t expect him to face waivers. Pagan is guaranteed 16 mil so he must play. Isn’t it then obvious that “the closer” Diaz (who I believe has options), needs to be sent down and Santillan called to replace him (and be reversed in a week with Moll or diagnosis of Diaz problems.)
    However, these kind of moves require a little adjustment, maybe too much of a paradigm shift for this crew. More than ever, I start to think that the minor leagues coaches send up well prepared players and then they regress after being up here for a while. As for Sims and Pagan, the word “regression” may be less than suitable but we are stuck with both of them. How’s Heath Hembree doing nowadays?

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  25. Indy Red Man

    Usually in life it’s never as good/bad as it seems at the moment. Bullpens can be fixed pretty quickly. The rotation has promise and the lineup has potential.
    CES, Benson, Marte, and McLain should all get opportunity. Maybe 2.5 good hitters in there somewhere? India gotta go or atleast bat 9th. Double play machine and slow with no range. They know what they have with Elly, Freidl, Steer, and Fraley.
    Almost the whole roster is slumping or hurt so blaming it all on Bell is ridiculous, but he’s had enough time. He shouldn’t survive this 73-89 dumpster fire

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  26. Steven Ross

    If this trainwreck continues in AZ then in LA, you have to make a move to improve the team when they come home. There are too may long losing streaks under Bell’s watch. Not all his fault but to homogenize the base running gaffs we saw in SF and now AZ, a different voice/message needs to be conveyed.

    I still beat the drum for Terry Francona IF he wants it or is healthy enough. Proven winner. Has a history with Buddy Bell. It’s time.

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    • Melvin

      “If this trainwreck continues in AZ then in LA, you have to make a move to improve the team when they come home.”

      It’s not like they have an easy time when they come home. Just look who they play.

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  27. Gpod

    I just can’t believe the Reds have Bell a 3 year extension last year….does anyone think Bell would be hired as a manager by any other organization in MLB….with a ledger full of no accomplishments, there was no reason to give Bell an extension

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    • Jeremiah

      I think Krall and crew got caught up in the excitement of the winning streak and they were like 10 game above .500. Wasn’t a good move I agree. I hope they turn it around whether with Bell or not but we’ll see.

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  28. Mike W

    Finally, 90% of the comments agree with what I’ve said since before the season started: Bell has had 5 years to prove himself, he hasn’t. This is a business, you cant’t fire 25 guys, you fire Bell, the one who determines who plays, who hits where, stealing ad bunting, and who comes in and goes out to pitch. P.S. Examples of poor judgement: Two nights in a row of using 6 RPs (insuring they’ll burn out again), sending Moll down was clearly stupid, his post game comments are lame, getting thrown out 3x’s at 2b shows poor judgement, coaching, leaving in Diaz when he clearly didn’t have “it”. It’s every night, what is Castellini waiting for. It’s a business!

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    • Justin T

      When they are playing well he stops tinkering a bit, lets starters go a little longer and stops the dumb double switches. First sign of a struggle or a losing streak and he goes right back to Stu Fairchild in the 3 hole and pinch running for guys in the 6th and 7 inning. Also loves using relievers for 1 inning (thought Pagan and Martinez would be “long relief”?). It’s as if adversity gives him fidgety anxiety to tinker w the lineup card.

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    • TR

      With the unnecessary extention given to Manager David Bell last year, I think Castellini is hesitant to replace a member of one of Cincinnati’s long established baseball families.

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  29. Jeremiah

    Look at Kevin Newman coming through! I always liked him…I think he’s a solid #8-9 hitter, bench guy, can start when you need him too.

    India, Candelario hitting a little more, some positives there.

    Ashcraft has a decent ERA, but there should almost be some adjusted ERA stat adding a half run to your ERA when you only go 4 innings in my mind. Really kind of hurts the bullpen/team even if you only give up a run or so.

    Diaz…boy I’m starting to think he’s not going to be the closer much longer. Coming in hitting the 1st batter, he just seems mentally not with it sometimes.

    Seems even when the Reds take a lead recently, their pitching gives it right up.

    Benson 3 Ks, really struggling, he’d probably benefit from going down. If I were Bell I’d start Hurtibrigse every day (if he’s healthy)…Benson, Fairchild shouldn’t be playing a ton right now, should be 4th, 5th outfielders…Fraley, Steer, Hurt…let them play every day.

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  30. Indy Red Man

    Don’t get all the love for Sam Moll? He ain’t Billy Wagner. Lost 3-4 mph off his heater and had a 6.48 at Louisville. We have nobody? Cruz? The more you see of him in high leverage the more you understand why he was AAAA til he was 30.
    Try big Tony again or anybody with potential in the minors. Cruz, Moll, Farmer, etc….all 30+ with zero upside

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    • Doug Gray

      Sam Moll’s bloated AAA ERA of 6.48 is from when he was rehabbing his way back. He has allowed 2 runs since the Reds acquired him last season in non-rehab games.

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      • Doug Gray

        Oh, and just for the “lost 3-4 MPH” stuff – that’s not remotely close to true. When Sam Moll was rehabbing the first week of the season, yes, his fastball was down like 2-3 MPH. Since April 20th he’s pitched in seven games and averaged 93.3 MPH. Last season with the Reds he averaged 93.8 MPH.

    • Optimist

      Sam Moll is very much part of the solution, and should have remained on the 26 man. We’re clearly in a holding pattern until the trade deadline deals heat up, and it seems the Reds will be primarily selling, especially from the pitching staff. Will be surprised if they acquire anyone of note on offense, but who knows – could swap pitcher/hitter rental for rental. The wild-card slots offer plenty of incentive to keep at it.

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  31. old-school

    This is turning into a perfect storm with the injuries, then the offensive meltdown, then multiple daily outs on the bases with a manager who claimed none of them were mistakes just great plays by the opponent, and now a bullpen implosion on a 10 game West Coast road trip. If the Reds get to 10 under, this season is over before Memorial day. 6 more against the Dbacks and Dodgers..2-4 gets it to 9 under and 1-5 gets it to 11 under. Season is now or never.

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    • Rob

      We seem to have management folks who feel differently about your assessment. I have heard Bell say recently that “everything is fine”, “we are very close” and “we will get this thing turned around.” I personally think the so called turnaround gets harder and harder with each loss. We are at the point where we will need to play 600 ball to get to 88 wins. And he thinks playing Espinal, Hurtebus, Capel, and India will get us there? He can’t be serious. But OK, I will half buy this and wait somewhat patiently. Maybe check in when the hole gets to 10 under and see if he still feels the turnaround is a coming.

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  32. Grover

    A guy who is walking over 7 batters per 9 innings is not a reliable closer and should not be treated as such, on a team desperate for wins there should always be a backup reliever warming up.

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  33. Still a Red

    You know, our team is really young and while many have shown promise, none
    have had enough time to demonstrate who they really are, with perhaps the possible exception of Steer. So maybe we have a good team…maybe we dont.

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  34. Michael B. Green

    I’ll state it again. If you walk people, you should not pitch in high leverage situations. I don’t care who you are. If managers are slaves to analytics, why don’t they at least follow the probability and correlation of walks and runs?

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  35. Laredo Slider

    Wondering if Diaz has shoulder problems. He’s dipping his shoulder on his pitches which causes him to get under the ball and sails his pitches. Bum shoulder could be causing his ineffectiveness.

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    • TR

      If that’s the case, I would think the pitching coach and his staff would have noticed and taken action since Diaz has had his ups and downs since last season.

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  36. Mauired

    Bell proved five years ago that he was not management material when he did nothing when Raisel Iglesias singlehandedly sabotaged any shot at the playoffs. How is it possible to allow your closer to have 12 losses?

    And yes as someone alluded to already apparently it is not against the law to take your closer out of the game if he is struggling. The Baltimore head coach did it in Cincinnati and it worked out for an Orioles win. Bell had a front row street but he learned nothing. He’s learned nothing in five years. He still does the same losing moves over and over so that maybe when it eventually works he can claim he’s a good manager.

    A lot of people say well the players like him. Don’t care. I would rather have a manager that is respected for putting winning baseball games above all egos than Bell who year after year can’t figure it out.

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    • Rednat

      I saw an interview with Jonathan India that said he liked Bell because ” he doesn’t yell at us”.
      Guess what…. i think a little yelling is warranted at this time.

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      • LDS

        When I started managing in the early 80s, we had 360 reviews years before they became a popular trend. I remember going into my mentor’s office for my periodic review, waving my stellar review by my team. Boy, that was a mistake. He started drilling into results, person A vs. person B, output, productivity, and results. Was B performing up to my expectations? Well, no. So, he asked me what I was doing about it. In the end, he told me if everyone “liked” working for me, it meant I wasn’t doing my job. I wasn’t holding people accountable. I saw that play out in the ensuing decades several times. It was a valuable lesson to learn early and changed my approach to the job. So, when I hear that everyone “likes” playing for Bell (which I doubt), and I see the same mistakes happen year end and year out, regardless of the personnel, the problem is obvious. There’s a reason why good companies have policies against nepotism.

      • Indy Red Man

        Pro athletes is a different story though. Most are highly paid babysitters now. Some time after Bobby Knights 2nd Nat Championship in 1981, they asked him if he had any aspirations for the NBA? He said no. How would I be able to tell Moses Malone to get the lead out of his donkey when he makes 10x more then me.

        Agree that it’s time for Bell though. Just a guess, but I think April was better as far as ours on the bases, etc, but this losing streak? Omg? They’re all trying to do too much and it’s out of control. I always say Bell isn’t that much of a factor, but it has to matter when you keep dropping 1 run games

      • Doug Gray

        That and the pro athletes would have knocked him out if he tried his bullying tactics on them.

      • TR

        Probably not the same if his manager was Lou Pinella or Earl Weaver.

    • AllTheHype

      And as a follow up to your note about Kimbrel, he is the 6th inning guy now for Baltimore, despite making $13M and having a reasonable 3.86 ERA.

      That team is not resigned to give out jobs (closer) out of respect and irrespective of performance.

      Sad state we have now with Bell. Certainly not all the problems are his fault. But losing so many one run games as we have lately, at least a couple ARE his fault.

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  37. Hanginwithem

    Buddy Bell resigned his front office position with the Reds in June of last year, right about the time his son was given a 3-year extension. “None of this was nefarious”, he said. Just a “preference to spend time with my family”.
    Whether or not there were any unwritten guarantees made regarding the ongoing status of his son as manager is open to speculation.

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    • DataDumpster

      Buddy was not a good manager to say the least, 3 failed efforts that each lasted less than 3 years each, maybe one winning season. He knows how tough it is and maybe he is preemptively giving up his chair for his son to remain with the organization if they actually find the will to win and get a real manager. David Bell need not be cast away, I think he has something worthwhile to give to the effort…but not field management.

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  38. Rick

    You can tell that David Bell.is one of the over planning guy that lacks common baseball sense. Sometimes as a leader you gotta be impulsive and reactionary in the moment.
    Like pitching as an example, I’ll bring Cruz in after Ashcraft for an inning (and 3 batter minimum rule be darned) regardless of results. If the guy is struggling he sticks with the guy because it’s on his pre-game planned out note pad. And on his roster he has closer written out from Diaz name. He sticks with his plan.
    And I thought that when Elly got picked off from 2nd base fby the Giants that we’ll learn from that. Sure didn’t workout that way last night. Must be slow learners, or maybe a poor teacher. Matter of fact we have more learning issues that point to a poorly managed team. Devoid of fundamentals.
    We had back to back day games this past weekend and Maile takes bats away from Stephenson. This current team is lacking talent(Marte, CES, MM, Freid) and this team needs a proactive manager pushing all of the right buttons.

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  39. Cincy6464

    I’m not certain the David Bell extension was Krall’s decision. I was surprised at the time, as it did not appear to be Krall’s mode-of-operating (mid-season extensions). He seems like a “wait until we’ve had time to reflect” sorta GM. I honestly have no idea of the inner workings of the Reds front office – but that one did not seem well-timed. It’s not like there were 29 other teams seeking Bell that I ever heard. In the end it doesn’t matter, as the extension was inked.
    There are many that say the manager doesn’t matter. I strongly disagree. Motivating people in any organization takes skill and intelligence.

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    • Mauired

      Kralls had some pretty strong statements during a spring training interview that he thought just using the word competitive was a loser mentality. And he wanted more for this organization. That’s seems like a vastly different attitude than Bell.

      I agree I think Bell’s hiring and extensions have been all Castellini. They love nepotism.

      I get the feeling from Kralls comments that’s he is not a Bell guy either.

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    • Rick

      Yeah, it matters. I agree BTW.
      I cannot imagine that another organization would’ve wanted to hire a FA David Bell as a Mgr after what he had shown.

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  40. Old-school

    Im not pro bell or in the camp that hes the worst manager ever. I do sense the general tide has turned and bullpen mgmt and handedness overmanaging and now giving away outs on the bases with regularity are fair criticisms . His next loss will be #400

    Thats more than price and more than dusty and 4 th all time

    Sparky was a .596 winner and the 2 others with more losses were winning managers in the 20’s and 40’s

    David Bell will very soon hold the title as the only Reds manager with 400 losses and a losing record.

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    • DataDumpster

      I still believe that most true athletes want to work hard, get better and give of themselves to help the greater cause (just win baby!) Friedl and McLain come to mind as outstanding examples of this caliber while others like EDLC are probably of similar attitude but needs to be tamped down with situational awareness more often (not a strong point for the manager, much less the team.) Yet, I hear guys like India, Fraley and Maile almost worshipping at the feet of David Bell while also bringing up the misfortune of somebody getting HBP, sick, or an injury that is all too common. Perhaps this team doesn’t need those players who don’t like to be challenged, need assurance of their worth, or as I suspect are partially checked out already. Time to deal for leaders.
      Of course, none of this will occur until a new manager and ownership edict forces this to happen. Could this season be effectively over at the end of the month? Last place and 12 games back are certainly in play and probably enough to do it.

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      • Jim Walker

        I agree. I saw Maile quoted the other day talking about how frustrating it was they had people hurt. My thought was that a manager who was a leader would be getting those thoughts out of players’ minds and pushing a next man up approach to the max.

        Instead, the Reds manager seems to spend a lot of time thinking about the guys who are out and offering up borderline pie in the sky projections for when they might be back.

    • Jim Walker

      To my eye, the table was set for the Reds in 2021; and, Bell couldn’t close the deal.

      The setup was even better last season; and, again he failed to close the deal. In the process, they lost 4 of 6 to the Pirates and Cards in the process of going 3-5 in their last 8 games and 3-7 in their last 10. And there were some blown leads and really ugly losses in that bunch.

      https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CIN/2023-schedule-scores.shtml

      Thus my feeling about Bell is he *may* be a competent first line supervisor to run a set scheme; but, he is not a leader who can muster and effectively apply his resources on the fly outside of the planned scheme.

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      • Rick

        Jim, you’re hitting for a high average on this subject.
        Or maybe Tom Browning perfect game territory.

  41. VegasRed

    Doesn’t matter what any of us think about David Bell. And there is a lot I don’t think is good about his performance. Big Bob likes him, period. And he probably works cheap.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets another extension in a couple years. If the past is prologue.

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