Matt Chapman’s first-inning grand slam was the difference in the San Francisco Giants’ 5-1 win over the Cincinnati Reds before 37,321 at Oracle Park in San Francisco.

Final R H E
Cincinnati Reds (17-22) 1 8 1
San Francisco Giants (18-23)
5 7 0
W: Ta. Rogers (1-1) L: Lodolo (3-2) 
Statcast | Box Score | Game Thread

Along with Chapman’s bat, outstanding outfield defense made the difference for the Giants today. Three Reds hitters were thrown out at second trying to extend singles into doubles, and Heliot Ramos made a great catch on a Will Benson bloop to left field that stifled a Reds rally.

Cincinnati fell a half-game behind Pittsburgh into fourth place in the National League Central division standings.

The Offense

For the game, Cincinnati batters were 8-for-31 with three walks drawn and a below-normal seven strikeouts.

Elly De La Cruz got the Reds on the board in the top of the fourth with an opposite-field solo homer to left-center field, pulling Cincinnati within three. It could have been more, because Spencer Steer was hit by a pitch one out later, followed by a hit to right by Jake Fraley. Steer went to third, but Fraley was thrown out at second trying for a double, the second out. The inning ended an out later on a Tyler Stephenson ground-out. Fraley was the second batter of the game thrown out trying to challenge right-fielder Ramos’ arm, with Benson having been an earlier victim.

In the top of the fifth, Jeimer Candelario and Jonathan India both walked, sandwiched around another excellent play by Ramos. After having moved to left field, Ramos made a diving catch on a Benson dying quail. Giants Manager Bob Melvin brought in lefty Taylor Rogers to face T.J. Friedl, who struck out on three pitches. Rogers hit De La Cruz with a pitch to load the bases, which would have plated a run had Ramos not made his great play earlier in the inning. Reds Manager David Bell pinch-hit righthanded-hitting Stuart Fairchild for lefty-swinging Mike Ford. Fairchild struck out swinging to end the inning.

In the sixth, Candelario knocked one high off the wall in right, but the new right fielder, Mike Yastrzemski, made a perfect throw from right to nail Candelario for the third Reds hitter thrown on at second trying to turn a single into a double.

Fraley’s 3-for-4 performance was the only multiple-hit game for Reds hitters.

The Pitching

Reds’ pitching’s box score line today: 8 innings, 7 hits allowed, 1 walk and 9 strikeouts. The most conspicuous number: The one home run allowed.

Reds starter Nick Lodolo retired the first Giants batter of the game, Thairo Estrada, on the first pitch. But that efficiency trend ended immediately. Two hits and a two-out walk loaded the bases, and Matt Chapman unloaded them with a grand slam to give San Francisco the early 4-0 lead.

After allowing the grand slam, Lodolo was in control. In his six innings, he allowed five hits and walked one while striking out six on 98 pitches.

Brent Suter entered in the seventh and immediately got into trouble. San Francisco loaded the bases with one out on two hits and a hit-batsman, followed by a Patrick Bailey sacrifice fly to make it 5-1 Giants.

Buck Farmer pitched a scoreless eighth.

Up Next for the Cincinnati Reds

Cincinnati Reds at San Francisco Giants

Sunday, May 12, 4:05 p.m. ET

Frankie Montas (2-3, 3.55 ERA) vs. Kyle Harrison (3-1, 3.20 ERA)

61 Responses

  1. JayTheRed

    Well at this rate we will win 3 or 4 games this month. Ugg…
    I knew this month going into the season was going to be a tough month but I didn’t expect it to be this bad.

  2. docproc

    I’m here in SF for the game and groaned every time a Reds player got thrown out at second base (and it happened three times). Fine to be aggressive when up or down by one run but not when down by three or four.

    • Tom Reeves

      I get Benson’s attempt. He was close and the Reds are aggressive. But it was clear on his attempt that any ball hit to RF was going to be trouble for extra bases. I wonder if SF’s inside the park HR might have inspired too much aggressiveness. In any case, if the Reds don’t field a team today because David Bell benched everyone, I don’t think I’ll be too upset.

  3. Jon

    I have officially hopped onto the “Fire David Bell” train. His team has no discipline running the bases. They have no plate discipline. There’s literally zero excuse why Ford should be batting third in the order, two nights in a row at that. It’s time to let him go and put literally any of his coaches in charge for the remainder of the season. Then do a proper search this winter for a new manager (reigning NL MOY Schumaker will be available). The problems run much deeper than Bell, but you have to start somewhere.

    • PhP

      Agreed. Ford wasn’t good enough to be called up in the organizations eyes but he’s good enough to bat 3rd. And he’s good enough to bat 3rd but you need go PH for him with bases loaded? Makes no sense.

      • Gpod

        Plus….apparently his career stats, he hits lefty’s better than right handed pitchers….so why pinch hit for him?

      • Tar Heel Red

        Agreed. Is it just me or does his swing look extremely slow?

      • greenmtred

        Not all left handed pitchers are the same. Some will pose greater problems for some hitters than for others. That might have something to do with it.

    • DW

      Welcome aboard…what took you so long! Haha just kidding. A search for a new coach would be awesome…though I don’t know that we can trust this ownership group to select a good replacement.

      • CI3J

        Here’s an interesting observation: When you look at the Reds for the past 2 decades, EVERY coach but one of them has been a nepotism hire or promotion of an internal candidate.

        Bell? Nepotism.

        Miley? Internal.

        Narron? Internal.

        Price? Internal.

        Bell? Nepotism.

        Every single one of those managers has a losing record with the Reds.

        Notice the one name missing?

        That’s right, Dusty Baker. He’s the only non-interim manager in the past 20 years who had a winning record with the Reds, and he’s also the only manager they hired that had no ties to the club before he was hired.

        If the Reds would stop being complacent and actually hire good, established managers instead of always looking for someone with ties to the club, they could actually do something. Right now, things are so rotten in the club that they need to totally clean house and get a completely fresh start. If they do it now, this season could be a learning season as the players, coaches, and new manager all adapt to each other, then next season should be all systems go.

        As an aside, looking back at Dusty Baker, it’s pretty hard to believe he was fired after winning 90 games, given that he won 90 games or more and went to the playoffs in 3 of his 6 years with the Reds. Yet Bell has won 80 games or more only twice in 5 years, yet it seems like he can keep his job as long as he wants it.

        The club has just become completely content with mediocrity.

      • TR

        You hit it, D W. The Reds are a talented group that needs change (a shakeup). That ok must ultimately come from ownership.

      • CI3J

        The first “Bell” was supposed to be “Boone”.

      • Reaganspad

        Sometimes it is about talent. Was Bruce Bochy a bad manager when he was with the Padres?

        Dusty Baker so under achieved with the Reds, and the Cubs, and the Nats, and the Giants.

        In fact, the Giants won 3 World Series AFTER Dusty left and they brought Bochy in.

        Bochy can coach young talent, something Dusty is allergic to. Dusty ruined 3 really good starting pitchers in Wood, Prior and Aroldis Chapman.

        No thanks, I will stick with Bell and these current BadNews Bears

      • CI3J

        First, addressing Bruce Bochy: No, he was not a bad manager with the Padres. He led them to 4 first place finishes in the decade he was there, and his last 3 seasons he led them to 87, 82, and 88 wins, which was good for two 1st place finishes. Strange that you would claim he was a “bad” manager with the Padres.

        True, it’s about talent. But it’s also about performance. A good manager can unlock a player’s talent and translate it into performance by putting that player in the best position to succeed and figuring out how to motivate them to get the best out of them.

        This is an intangible skill of managers that is impossible to quantify. Yes, if you have bad players, no matter how good of a manager you are, you probably aren’t going to win much. But it’s also worth questioning if the players are actually bad, or if the manager just isn’t doing enough or giving them enough chances. How many players have we seen with the Reds go on to have great seasons or careers with other teams? How many players have come to the Reds being touted as great prospects but never develop? Are the Reds really that bad at scouting? Or is there something wrong with the coaches/manager that is leading to these players not developing as expected?

        The general rule is this: Good managers are winners. Again, yes, player talent plays a role. But you can’t deny Dusty walked into a relatively young Reds team, and they flourished under him. Would Brandon Phillps become “Dat Dude” if Bell had been his manager? Would Jay Bruce had become the player he was if it weren’t for Dusty?

        Here’s something interesting to look at: Votto, Bruce, and Phillips were perennial All-Stars when Dusty was their manager. After he left, those players only had 3 All-Star appearances between them for the rest of their careers (2 for Votto, 1 for Bruce). And it’s not like they were washed up or in their decline years. They just didn’t perform as well for other managers who weren’t Dusty.

        The point of all this is, Dusty Baker is the most successful manager the Reds have had in the last 20 years. It’s no contest and not debatable, at all. The Reds are actually in a similar situation now to when Dusty took over from Jerry Narron, with a lot of young, under-performing talent. They need a manager who can unlock that talent. Bell is not that manager, just like Narron wasn’t that manager either. In fact, Bell and Narron remind me a lot of each other. They even have a very similar win %.

        It’s time for the Reds to take the next step and bring in the right person to move this team forward. If they keep Bell, they are doing nothing but wasting all this potential young talent they have so meticulously acquired.

        It’s time. Fire David Bell, and bring in a proven winner.

      • greenmtred

        There’s a lot to like in your thoughtful comment, C13J. I would posit, though, that it’s worth considering that perhaps “good managers are winning managers” should be reversed, at least insofar as public perception is concerned. I absolutely agree that much of the job involves intangibles.

      • greenmtred

        I should add that I liked Dusty and defended him on these pages from many criticisms identical to those being levied at Bell. Dusty played journeymen. Dusty mishandled the pitching staff. Dusty made inexplicable decisions about the lineup, pinch hitters and strategy.

      • Reaganspad

        I did not claim Bochy was a bad manager at all. 82-80 was David Bell last year. 10 games over and 14 over are good seasons in Bochy’s last 3 years.

        He had 5 losing seasons in a row prior to those seasons.

        Your fond memory of Dusty needs some study. Brandon Phillips was a star in 2007 the year before Dusty arrived with 30 HRs and 94 RBIs and 107 runs while hitting 288. He did nothing for Votto, or Dunn who hit 40 HRs in 2007, or Griffey who hit 30. Dusty was brought in for star power, and the Reds may just need that same thing now.

        I am not saying that Bell should or should not be fired. I am saying you cannot bring in a star power Dusty to manage this club. You need someone who can develop young players. That is not Dusty who was only 509-463 in 6 years with the Reds, 3 losing seasons. He was not Davey Johnson or Sweet Lou

        I enjoy your posts but I have to disagree on Dusty

    • Ted Alfred

      Bingo.

      Think about pinch hitting for your #3 hitter, who is the DH, in the 5th inning. So two nights in a row the guy who couldn’t make the team out of spring training and who you just let go but then decided to re-sign to a mlb contract for the year hits 3rd as your DH… but 4 games ago on his first night with the team he’s on the bench while Luke Maile is your #9 hitting DH at .146 on the year???

      Make it stop.

    • CI3J

      There’s literally zero excuse why Ford should be batting third in the order, two nights in a row at that.

      Gotta get him going.

      • greenmtred

        That was another thing Dusty used to say, and it got him liberally roasted here on a regular basis.

    • Mike Caldwell

      The Reds interviewed Rocco Baldelli, Minnesots Twins manager, right before interviewing Bell. Baldelli was coming out of the Tampa Bay organization which would have been a good addition for a source of new blood and new methods of evaluating players in the organization. They obviously had earmarked the position for Bell and were only giving Baldelli an interview to make it look like they were performing an open search.

      • Reaganspad

        Baldelli would have been fun.

        Surely, Krall must be looking for that old file of résumé’s by now.

  4. CharlieE

    The Reds are too cheap to fire Bell after giving him an extension last year, but what about the hitting coach, just a few facts:

    Team batting average: Last
    Strikes out: 28th
    Swing rate: Highest
    Chase rate: Bottom 3, as of last week, with 3 players in top 10, or bottom 10, because this is not a good thing to do

    Most of the batters appear to have no plan at the plate, flail away at everything, and try to pull every pitch, or maybe that is the game plan.

    Not batting specific, but also, bottom third in defensive efficiency, never seen a team over-slide bases with such frequency, or get thrown out on the bases so frequently. But hey, they’ll learn from those mistakes, eventually, in maybe a few years. Who needs basic baseball fundamentals that you learn in little league anyway?

    • LarkinPhillips

      This is exactly what I have been clamoring about. The approach is insane from top to bottom. There are hardly any professional at bats. Just guess hitting and hoping it’s a fastball.

      By the way, the couple “rallies” we have had lately followed Fraley or Steer having 8-9 pitch at bats to lead off the inning. This team is not goof enough to hit their way out, they have to grind our at bats and get pitchers into “deep water” (20 plus pitch inning)

  5. TR

    Winning the series today at Oracle Park will be very important to the Red’s chemistry in the winnable NLC. Overall, the pitching, starting and relief, has been above average. If that continues, the Reds will be in the hunt come September.

  6. Klugo

    Granny for the win. Then off to bed she went.

  7. AMDG

    When you’ve got Candelario, Fairchild, Martini, Espinal, Maile, Thompson, and Ford accounting for more than 1/3 of your plate appearances, it’s not a surprise the Reds’ offense has struggled mightily.

    That group has a combined 52 OPS+ while hitting a paltry 0.213

  8. Reddawg2012

    When is it time to give up on India? I realize there isn’t anyone better to replace him with right now (although if Santiago Espinal starts to hit just a little bit more, you could make the argument he is more valuable based on his defense). India offers absolutely nothing. He can’t hit, plays horrible defense, and is slow af. Save me from the leadership argument. This team has lost 9 of 10, clearly his leadership isn’t that special.

    India isn’t the team’s only problem, but is a big concern IMO. This is three seasons in a row.

    • Indy Red Man

      Normally I’d say he’s not bad as a 9 hitter because he draws walks, but he’s also a double play machine. Bell could move Steer to 2B vs righties. It would improve their OF defense and they’re both mediocre at 2B.

      • Jim Walker

        I question whether Benson or Fraley are better defensive OF than Steer and our guy Stuey can’t hit a lick with any consistency so far this year.

    • Jim Walker

      As of this morning (Sunday), the Reds have 4 guys who are “everyday” players with an OPS+ >100 and 2 more at 91/90. But then they go off the cliff, clear down to 77 where India is at. From India, the OPS+ numbers fall into the mid 40’s.

      The comfortable narrative is they are playing their bench guys every day for McLain, Marte, and (until the last 5 games) Friedl).

      However, this narrative ignores the constant drumbeat of TOOTBLANS and inconsistent defense along with untimely bullpen meltdowns which make things often seem out of sync.

      If it is not the manager’s job to figure out how to get the resources available into synch and keep them that way, whose job is it??

      • Reddawg2012

        Don’t even get me started on David Bell.

      • Reaganspad

        Great point Jim about whose job it is. Good to hear Bell say this is all on him. Sink or swim time. I have been saying that Bell is a players manager. If these guys do not respond for him, he will lose his job.

        You need a teacher and someone who can compete at the same time. I think Dave Miley was the last one of those we had.

      • Klugo

        I’d argue that Bell did a whale of a job keeping this team above .500 as long as he did( and were nearly into May). We haven’t played good baseball all year, tbh. You can dress a pig up any which way you want. It’s still a pig. The players have got to get it done and getting it done they are not.

      • Melvin

        “If it is not the manager’s job to figure out how to get the resources available into synch and keep them that way, whose job is it??”

        I give up. Who? 😉

  9. JB

    I’ve found other games to watch in different sports lately. Watching this team is like watching paint dry. It’s as boring as their manager. When they do hit the ball they become T-ball players and have no idea what they are doing running the bases. Such a lack of fundamentals by this team. Not to mention watching Fraley play right field this year is quite a circus show. If the hitting is good the pitching is bad. If the pitching is good the hitting is bad. If the starting pitching is good the bullpen is bad. They never seem to put it all together. People seem to think the Central is bad and the Reds have a chance. No the Brewers and Cubs are going to run away from the “The Bad” teams in the division. This team will be out of it by June. Then I can enjoy the summer.

  10. RedsGettingBetter

    This game was lost after Chapman’s grand slam because the Reds are stuck offensively so can’t afford a bad inning of the starter. Lodolo has put the team in a early hole in his last two of three outings. One was against O’s 0-3 in the first inning and last night 0-4 also in the first frame being losses both games.
    Now, the problem is today SFG starter is tough lefty Kyle Harrison so it’s very likely to see the weak lineup having India at the top of it and Espinal batting fifth, maybe even Fairchild batting 3rd , Maile should be playing today too…. Yikes…

    • Jim Walker

      The Reds had 24 outs left after they fell behind by four runs. They had 8 hits along with 3 walks and 3 HBP after they fell behind.

      On the day the Reds ended up with 11 total bases plus 3 walks and 3 HBP. The Giants had 8 total bases plus 3 walks and 1 HBP.

      The Res threw away 3 outs trying to turn singles into doubles after they fell 4 runs back. 2 of these happened with LT 2 outs in the inning.

      If they had not wasted these outs, perhaps they would have generated the leverage to break through.

      • Jim Walker

        The Reds threw away 3 outs trying to turn singles into doubles after they fell 4 runs back.

  11. LDS

    7 games out after 39 isn’t a good place to be. And if Bell finishes out his contract, he’ll move to #3 on the games managed list and currently is the only one of the top 10 with a losing record. And that winning percentage has declined thus far this year. Excuses like injuries, roster, etc. just don’t cut it. When you see the same mistakes year in and year out, to paraphrase Carville “the Ragin’ Cajun” – it’s the manager stupid. There’s no one else to blame for last night’s performance except the management team. Step to the plate and do your job Nick Krall or step down.

    • Pete

      Serious question, does Nick Krall even have the authority to fire David Bell? My personal opinion is I don’t believe so.

      It looks like the whole franchise is taking a step back from last season. This includes the farm system. What looked like to be an opportunity to build a winning culture appears very suspect now. Nick should be able to fire Bell and pick the replacement. But in reality can he? On a separate topic but related, I believe the new manager in Dayton is totally unqualified. That is one heck of a roster he has there and seemingly unable to do anything with it. Another Cincinnati native hired. One has to wonder under what basis. Quite honestly, this season has turned into a real nightmare for this fan. Beyond disappointing.

      • LDS

        I agree. Though if Krall hasn’t the authority to fire Bell, then he needs the integrity to tell Castellini to take this job and shove it. Otherwise, it’s his own career that he is jeopardizing.

      • Harry Stoner

        As much as I’d like to see it happen, there’s no way Bell is going to be fired one month into his 3-year contract extension.

        Bell will see out this year and at least to ASG 2025.

        Injuries and suspensions are more than enough to CHA.

        Idealistic assessments of what needs to be done or imaginary scenarios based on ‘integrity’ are pipe dreams at best, no matter how appealing.

        In any event, Bell won’t ever be fired, only at best kicked upstairs to some kind of ‘advisory’ role.

        The Reds are destined to fumble along through 2024 much as they have been.

        I’m not saying I support this, only that things will stay more or less the same, and we’ll be reading such pearls of Bell mumble-core such as this for a long time to come:

        “Over the course of the year, we’re going to make baserunning mistakes,” Bell said. “Today, I didn’t consider those mistakes. I mean, when the other team makes plays like that, makes perfect throws, you can’t wait around to find out.”

        Got it?

      • Melvin

        “Serious question, does Nick Krall even have the authority to fire David Bell? My personal opinion is I don’t believe so.”

        I agree. Bell is here because of our genius owner “I’m going to bring winning baseball to Cincinnati” Big Bob and he’s the only reason Bell is STILL here.

  12. Jim Walker

    In his first 5 games back, TJ Friedl’s BA/OPS line is .182/.217/.227/.445 in 23 appearances. He’s had some issues on defense also. Maybe they should have used some more of the remaining rehab time at AAA (about 2 weeks’ worth) to get him honestly up to speed instead of force feeding him into the MLB grinder and hoping it would happen.

    This is not s criticism of TJ. It is questioning the philosophy the Reds use when bringing guys off of rehab. What they do how they approach running the bases, unbridled aggressiveness.

    • Rednat

      I agree . I havent liked some of his throws. Doesnt seem ready yet

    • JB

      I agree Jim. Can’t criticize Friedl here because he is basically in spring training. Bell said he would get in touch with Friedl and fi d out if he(Friedl) is ready. Of course Friedl is going to say he was ready. He is a ballplayer who wants to help the team. 4 games is not ready but the Reds are so bad that they will take anybody right now. They will be 12- 15 out by June 1st. The schedule is that hard and Milwaukee’s is a little easier.

  13. Indy Red Man

    I just watched Candy’s “single” off the RF wall. That ball was crushed. Thats gone in atleast 28 parks (SF, Pitt). He’s also way better then Steer at 3B and probably Marte too.

    Idk? On paper if they were healthy and fixed the pen then maybe? Won’t be this year though. Baserunning coach/1B coach…he’ll get canned after we go like 74-88, but Bell will survive..lol.

    • VaRedsFan

      Candy hasn’t been very good at 3rd….in fact it’s barely above being awful. Not sure what you’ve been watching

      • Indy Red Man

        Whatever you say. Candy has 3 errors and Matt Chapman has 6. Steer was horrible and they won’t move Elly back there. Marte had 5 errors in 29 games last year. Who do you suggest? What have you been watching?

      • VaRedsFan

        I never expected you to read from a stat sheet. If you’ve been watching, it’s the constant bobbling, the lazy throws, the unrealized double plays because of the bobbles, and the errors that are just wrongly ruled “hits” is what I’m basing the opinion on. Steer hasn’t even played there this year. You are better than that Indy.

  14. Tom Reeves

    I said this the other night and I’ll stick with it. In the post game, someone in the press needs to ask the players if they realize the poor fundamental play is going to get their manager fired. Batters slump. Pitchers have rough patches. But defense and base running are fundamentals that have a direct correlation to hard work and practice. When the team is struggling because the bats go cold or pitching issues – but the team has energy and fundamentals – people know it will turn around. But when the bats go cold and the team continually makes fundamental mistakes, that’s a recipe for a new managers. These players might not be experienced enough to know they’re marching their manager to the exit.

  15. Eddiek957

    I wish someone would tell Fraley he’s not Vince Coleman. I wish Reds pitchers would stop throwing 0-2 cookies. Baseball is such a sensitive sport doing boneheaded mistakes makes it difficult to win. Seems they also make quite a few first and third outs at third. That’s a no no I learned in little league

  16. Rednat

    Such a disappointing season so far. Even with the injuries this team is missing that big bat in the middle of the lineup. I dont think CES or Stephenson ate consistent enohgh to be an everyday cleanup hitter.
    Are we sellers at the trade deadline this year? Our pitching is our strengrh theoughout our system. Do we trade some pitching to try to get some more young power hittimg prospects. Even with Marte and Mclain coming back i still think we need some more bats?

    • Jon

      They need to be buyers this winter. Cut bait with India, Fraley, and Fairchild. If Benson doesn’t turn it around this year, he starts 2025 as a bench player. Then add proven players this winter via FA or trade to replace them. Emphasis on “proven”.

      • Indy Red Man

        How about Juan Soto or Corbin Burnes? Or time machine Roberto Clemente? Not to be too snarky, but RLN has caviar dreams on beer budgets. I think ole Bob got so burned by splurging with Moose, Castellanos, pitcher, Shogo, etc and they didn’t win and didn’t draw crowds. He won’t go nuts again.
        Surely they can do better then Pagan & Martinez though for $25 mil. Martinez has been a big disappointment. Stuck w/Candy

  17. Mark A Verticchio

    Today’s line up may be the worst I have seen a Reds team have in the 50 plus years I have followed the team. 5 of 9 players hitting under .200, India 4th, Fairchild hitting 5th, Ford taking time off from the Sunday beer league hitting 7th, auto-matic out Maile in the line up and only 1 player hitting only .250.

    • ryan

      Mark, statistically it’s probably the worst evet

      • Mark A Verticchio

        You are 100% correct, I never thought this season would be such a waste ,I just don’t see any way that things are going to change. The facts are they are a poorly managed team with one potentially star player, a few average players and a bunch of guys who should be in the minors. The only thing that makes them even somewhat competitive is a decent to average starting staff.

    • JB

      Yep, I will not be watching this today. One big pile of crap.