The Cincinnati Reds offense never really got going, but they also couldn’t capitalize on the few opportunities that they did have as the Seattle Mariners picked up a tough fought 3-1 victory to guarantee themselves a winning series on Tuesday night.

Final R H E
Cincinnati Reds (9-8)
1 4 0
Seattle Mariners (8-10)
3 8 0
W: Gilbert (1-0) L: Pagan (1-1) SV: Saucedo (1)
Statcast | Box Score | Game Thread

Neither team was able to do a whole lot in the first two innings of the game, but Seattle got things going in the bottom of the third inning as they put together three singles and a walk, but had a runner erased by a caught stealing in the middle to load the bases with two outs. Hunter Greene was able to buckle down and strike out Mitch Haniger to strand everyone and keep the game scoreless.

The next inning wasn’t as lucky. Mitch Garver took first base when he was hit by a pitch and he came around to score on a double by Jonatan Clase. The relay throw from Elly De La Cruz beat Garver home ever so slightly but Luke Maile couldn’t come up with it cleanly as the ball trickled out of his glove as he tried to make the tag and Seattle went up 1-0. Greene’s pitch count continued to climb as the inning went along, but he got out of the 4th with no more damage as he headed to the dugout with 98 pitches.

That was all for Greene, who seemed to try and convince manager David Bell between innings to return to the mound, but he lost that discussion and Emilio Pagan took over in the 5th. He gave up two singles and walked two batters while recording one out – with the last of those walks bringing in the go-ahead run. That led to Bell making a mound visit and pitching change to bring in Justin Wilson with the bases loaded. He got out of the jam with a strikeout followed up by a fly out and kept it a 2-1 ballgame.

Wilson couldn’t do the same thing when he returned for the 6th, though it wasn’t entirely on him. He gave up a 1-out single before being replaced by Fernando Cruz. He threw a wild pitch, gave up a walk, then a 2-out RBI single that extended the Seattle lead to 3-1.

The Reds would get something brewing in the top of the 7th with back-to-back 2-out walks to Jake Fraley and Elly De La Cruz. Nick Martini then came off of the bench to pinch hit for Stuart Fairchild and he came through with a single, but Julio Rodriguez came up firing a 90 MPH laser to third base to get De La Cruz to end the inning. The tag happened prior to Fraley reaching the plate, so Cincinnati didn’t even manage to score a run on the play.

Will Benson led off the top of the 9th inning with a walk to bring the tying run to the plate. After back-to-back fly outs, Jake Fraley hit a chopper to first base and beat the diving tag by the covering pitcher to reach base. Seattle challenged the play but the call on the field was correct. That brought Elly De La Cruz to the plate with the game on the line and he kept things alive with a walk to load the bases.

Seattle then opted to go to their bullpen to bring in a lefty to face Nick Martini. The Reds countered by bringing Tyler Stephenson in to pinch hit and get righty-on-lefty matchup. It didn’t work as Stephenson hit a shallow fly to center to end the game.

Key Moment of the Game

Julio Rodriguez throwing out Elly De La Cruz at third base in the 7th to end the inning. That kept a run off of the board and had it not happened would have had De La Cruz in scoring position in a 1-run game.

Notes Worth Noting

The Reds pitchers walked seven batters in the game and hit one more.

Jake Fraley went 1-3 with a walk, steal, and a run scored. He’s now hitting .425/.465/.600 with five steals on the season.

Elly De La Cruz finished the night 1-2 with two walks and a stolen base. He’s hitting .274/.357/.565 with seven steals through 17 games.

Up Next for the Cincinnati Reds

Cincinnati Reds vs Seattle Mariners

Wednesday April 17th, 4:10pm ET

Andrew Abbott (1-1, 2.60 ERA) vs Bryce Miller (2-1, 1.96 ERA)

68 Responses

  1. Melvin

    “Julio Rodriguez throwing out Elly De La Cruz at third base in the 7th to end the inning.”

    For sure that was a key moment. One of two great plays he made.

    • Doug Gray

      He’s very good at baseball. I enjoy watching that be the case 159 times a year.

      • VaRedsFan

        He’s also run down several missiles in both gaps the last 2 games

      • Melvin

        Just a taste of what EDLC could do some day.

  2. Charlie

    So I purchased the Prime Video single team package, so I can watch Reds games Texas. The team is fun to watch, but was really hoping for, well not the exact same issues as last year, or for that matter, apparently all or most all David Bell coached teams. Starting pitchers at 90-100 pitches in the 4th and 5th innings, bunch of walks, players over sliding bases, not sliding, just lack of basic fundamentals. I’ll still watch, as this team is fun, and has a lot of promise, but you can win consistently giving away runs without hits, and running out of innings.

    • Andrew Brewer

      Great drama in the ninth with the bases loaded and two outs… As a player you either love those situations or you don’t… the Reds had a two out ninth inning rally already this year. It’s something they are known for.

    • Chris

      Did you see when the Mariners pulled their ace last night. That’s not a BELL thing, that’s what the joke of mlb baseball has become. Guys over sliding bases. LOL, clearly you are ONLY watching as you mentioned, just the Reds. How about the fact that this Bell team is out stealing any other team in baseball? This team that lacks basic fundamentals is taking bases like no other team. I’m not a Bell fan by any stretch, but your comments just seemed a bit ridiculous.

  3. Andrew Brewer

    Seattle was a playoff contender last year, but it got away from them in the end. You can tell they still have what it takes. This game could have gone either way. Long balls by India and Steer would have made the difference at home. We’ll see if the Reds have got the spirit tomorrow in game three.

  4. 2020ball

    Could t see the game because i was working, but honestly doesnt sound like a bad loss. Hard to take, sure, but the opportunities were there and they fought til the end as far as i can tell. Thats pretty simply what i like to see from my favorite teams every or most nights. Analyzing every game to death isnt my mantra, a hard fought game my team lost? I can think of a lot of things that upset me more. This team has a fight to them, if nothing else i hope they never lose that whether they ever finish the season on top is secondary IMO. Guess im not expecting enough according to some.

  5. Reddawg2012

    Kind of seems like this is another 80-82 win team. At least we know they will be competitive most nights, I guess.

    • TR

      A lot can happen in a long six months season leaning toward the playoffs.

    • Indy Red Man

      Yeah I’d rate them about a 5-6 seed with McLain and Freidl. Get Freidl & Marte back and get a little pitching before the trade deadline and they could atleast threaten for a 5-6 in the NL.

      I would’ve left Martini in w bases loaded at the end. He’s been impressive vs lefties

  6. Tom Reeves

    The throw to home by Elly was insane. Sadly it was dropped but wow, Elly has an accurate cannon.

    • Jim Walker

      Yes. Once upon a time when the ump had flashed the out call as happened on that play, an error may well have been charged on the incompleted catch and tag effort. It would not have changed the outcome of this game; but, it would have reminded that those little things often figure large in deciding games.

  7. JB

    Seattle has a very good and underrated starting five. I was hoping the Reds would trade for Gilbert in the off-season but that never materialized. Seattle is like The Reds right now. They have some players that need to start hitting. Going into the series I had a feeling the Reds could get swept and they might today. Without McLain ,Marte and Friedl they are going to struggle some. That is a lot of talent to lose. The Central is going to be a dogfight and every team might spend some time in last during the year. Brewers are without Yelich now and The Cubs and Cardinals have key players struggling as well. It shall be fun to watch.

  8. Doc

    At least now we get three games with the studs of our starting pitching on the mound.

  9. GreatRedLegsFan

    Another ineffective outing by Green, guess gonna have to get used to it. The West Coast trips are sort of kryptonite for the Reds hitters, it’d be good to try India and CES in different spots today.

    • greenmtred

      “Ineffective” might be too strong a word. Far from perfect, but certainly good enough to keep his team in the game.

    • Luke J

      The word you are looking for is inefficient. 1 run in 4 innings is effective, no matter how you slice it. But he certainly needs to get more efficient so he can stay in the game longer.

    • Chris

      Greene’s outing was only ineffective because he happens to pitch in an era that only allows a pitcher to pitch about 100 pitches. I can only imagine how pedestrian Nolan Ryan’s career would have been under this sort of hamstrung philosophy that we see today. CES is just fine. Had two big hits Monday and quite frankly if the wind hadn’t have been what it was last night, would have had a HR to centerfield. No reason to move him. Same with India. India might could use a breather though.

  10. Klugo

    No run support for Hunter Greene. Surprise, surprise. He’ll never say it, but by God, that’s gotta be frustrating.

  11. TR

    Just noticed the passing of the great Brooklyn Dodger pitcher, Carl Erskine, at age 97. A Hoosier, he had quite an after-baseball career as president of the Indiana Bankers Association, and baseball coach at Anderson College.

  12. Rednat

    I understand the frustration on this site with the reds.
    I’ve been watching this movie for 25 years.
    Pitching is good enough to win. Just not enough hitting. Just another game where are young hitters just seemed overmatched at the plate.you would think after so many losing seasons we would have more to show with at least a few consistent hitters.
    Still not sure if it’s a drafting issue, developmental issue, or a coaching issue but we are going to have to hit the ball better if we are ever going to make the playoffs in my lifetime

  13. VaRedsFan

    Fraley’s bat continues to be a positive for the Reds.
    What has not been a positive is his baserunning.
    I’m not talking about just stealing bases, which he is fully capable of doing, and I hope he keeps doing it.
    He has made 3 mental errors on the bases in the last 2 nights.

    Trying to steal 3rd with 2 outs on Monday. Late, feet first, slide and he overslides the bag, and tagged out.
    Had 2nd stolen easily last night, but for some reason didn’t slide at all, until it was too late.
    On the Martini hit, he didn’t hustle all the way through home, so his run didn’t count when Elly was tagged out at 3rd. (Again, someone making the 3rd out at 3rd).

    What is it about this team and sliding? Remember India not sliding at home earlier this season?

    Good aggressive baserunning is great, but poor choices (sliding/hustling) have nothing to do with being aggressive. It’s a mental error, that keeps happening over and over….not just this year either.

    • SultanofSwaff

      I would agree on Fraley. The non-slide was perplexing. The other thing I found odd was him stealing 2nd with Elly at-bat and 2 outs in the 7th down 3-1. If he gets thrown out you kill the rally, if he’s successful the M’s can pitch around Elly (which they did) and your ability to tie the game with one swing goes away. Made no sense to me.

      • Jim Walker

        Fraley seems to be pushing. Maybe he is anticipating the possible logjam for PT when Friedl returns? Maybe it is related to the illness of his child? If it is the latter, perhaps he should take a stint on the bereavement list as over the years, other players have certainly used the BL for ongoing family emergencies related to illness.

  14. Jim Walker

    A dropped tag (Maile) on a play at the plate when the ump had signaled out, put a Seattle run in the board in the 5th.

    A double TOOTBLAN (EDLC/ Fraley) took a Reds run off the board in the 7th inning.

    Those 2 plays created the difference in the final score as with a Seattle run off the board and an additional Reds run added; the game would have stood at 2-2 had all else transpired as it did.

    Physical misplays happen. However, it is on the manager and coaches to instill an atmosphere where the mental misplays that seem to plague the Reds daily are eliminated.

    • Melvin

      “However, it is on the manager and coaches to instill an atmosphere where the mental misplays that seem to plague the Reds daily are eliminated.”

      Got a point.

      • Jim Walker

        @doofas>> Yep, and it is up to the supervisors to make sure that between the lines focus/effort is always at 100%; and, to enforce the expectation when execution falls short.

      • Jim Walker

        Oops sorry, I got the handle wrong @doofus.

    • VaRedsFan

      Preaching to the choir Jim.
      I’m right there with you.
      Physical errors happen. Mental errors shouldn’t. But if they do, they shouldn’t happen again, again, and again. After the 1st one the supervisor needs to step in and shut it down, but it doesn’t look like that is happening.

      • JB

        It’s been going on for awhile now. You would think after they got rid of Winker,Suarez and Votto the base running blunders, tootblans would go away but they are still there and they have had a boat load of them in 17 games. Last outs at 3rd, not sliding, not backing up the catcher, dropping a lazy flyball , showboating tosses to 2nd, not remembering how many outs there are , making rediculous throws to first instead of eating it and not letting them take an extra base and on and on. It’s on the manager and the player.

      • greenmtred

        The Reds have been the beneficiaries several times already this year of similar mistakes by their opponents. I certainly don’t like to see TOOTBLANS and other mental errors when the Reds make them, but it’s pretty clear that it happens to every team. So my question is whether the Reds are more prone to this than all other teams? Almost all other teams? Half of the other teams? Probably all of us watch the Reds more than any other team and have more emotional investment in them, as well, and are therefore particularly aggrieved when they mess up, but how much–if any–worse are they than other teams?

    • Still a Red

      Kinda hard to call the play at the plate a misplay. Fraley jogging in was, though I assume he wasn’t dogging it as much as he took his run for granted. Lesson learned? Run the whole way then jog into the dugout

  15. Mark Moore

    Disappointed when I woke up and checked the results … but not surprised. Good that Hunter kept things in check, but 4 innings won’t cut it. Not all on him as Seattle had some extended AB’s, but still …

    Back at it today. Game on mute while I attend a meeting. Benefit of having multiple screens here in my office (laptop plus 3). Need to avoid the sweep as we get out of Seattle. Daytime weather should be better (I hope).

  16. RedsGettingBetter

    It’s interesting how many walks the Reds pitchers have given in these couple of games and the most of them have hurt… The play where EDLC was thrown out undoubtly cut the momentum killing the inning and the game despite Stephenson stranded the bases loaded in the 9th…

  17. Brian

    Hunter has 1/3 of his starts being QS thus far. In comparison, Ashcraft and Montas has 1/2 of their starts being QS.
    I’m not saying that hunter sucks, I’m just saying that he has a ton of room for growth. Expectations for starters aren’t what they used to be in todays baseball.
    I don’t see the traditional Ace in Hunter’s future, I hope I eat crow….

    • JB

      The extended at bats in the 4th(?) inning is what killed him. That’s when pitchers like Ryan,Clemons etc just reared back and threw the fast ball by them. That’s where Hunters 101 mph fastball should blow them away. I think he is still learning and can be frustrating at times for us and I’m sure him. I notice this year he has started talking to himself on the mound . 1 run through 4 is great. Now make it 1 through 6or 7. Baby steps.

  18. SultanofSwaff

    What an odd game. The Reds smoked a number of balls that in any other stadium on any other night would have been home runs. We might’ve witnessed the only time in his career Elly will ever get thrown out going first to third.

    I was perplexed to see Greene wait until there was a full count and 2 runners on to throw his first (of only 2 by my count) splitter which was a ball. Buckle up, because as I’ve been saying there’s nothing Hunter is doing differently and the team is clearly unserious in developing a third pitch based on usage patterns so far. In turn, he’s the pitcher I least like to watch because it’s so maddening. Ok, fine, there’s a lot of guys (even starters) who are 2 pitch guys……so why is Greene so hittable? According to Baseball Savant, his fastball pitch value is 79th percentile while his offspeed pitch value is the 20th percentile. Factor in his extension to home is just 42nd percentile (wondering if that speaks to conditioning…) and you can sort of see why hitters aren’t getting fooled. I think all the foul balls (leading to high pitch counts) speaks to that. If there’s a silver lining, hitters are barreling him up much less than the last 2 years.

    • DW

      As a hitter, when you only have two pitches to worry about, that makes your two strike hitting approach so much easier. I’m sure most guys go up there with the approach of: look fastball and fight off slider unless he hangs it. They aren’t even having to think about adjusting to a changeup or a buried splitter or curveball, or possibly a sinker/two-seamer being thrown. It is just two pitches to look for: four seamer or slider. That is easy for a major league.

      That fact that he can get away with this at times, and somewhat get away with it fairly regularly, speaks to how good his fastball and slider are. Just one legitimate third pitch changes everything for him.

      Shame on the Reds coaching and development for not making him develop that third pitch. They are wasting his talent.

      • Still a Red

        “shame … for not making him develop that third pitch.”
        How do you make him?

        Chapman basically only had two pitches when he came up. Maybe Greene is bullpen material

    • VaRedsFan

      While I agree with your general assessment. I don’t think statcast is accurate in determine what the actual pitch is. I saw plenty of 83-85 mph breaking pitches that might have been classified as sliders, but were actually curveballs. His sliders have usually been in the 89-92 mph range.

      I’ll keep saying that he is inefficient, because he waste so many “non-competitive” (easy takes) pitches.

      People might say he (and all other Reds pitchers) needs to be careful because of GABP.
      Welp…they just played 2 games in the worst hitter’s park in the league, but the walks continued to pile up in a bad way.

  19. GPod

    When you see poor fundamentals and bad decisions…..just once, I would like someone in the press to ask Bell a question that isn’t a softball regarding these issues…. the only TV people I ever hear that are actually critical of the reds, when criticism is warranted is Jeff Brantley and, at times, Sam LeCure. Jim Day is a nice guy, but his postgame interview with Bell is the definition of milquetoast

    • Jim Walker

      Perhaps this is because per BBRef, LeCure made at last $4.4m and Brantley $17.9m in direct MLB salaries, exclusive of other income, endorsements, and player pension?

  20. Indy Red Man

    Agree HG is extremely frustrating. Couldn’t watch last night and don’t know the game temperature, but that park and a cold lineup? You couldn’t get past 4 innings? His stuff is superior enough that he can’t pitch to contact because they can’t put it in play, but he’s also wild enough to groove several right down the middle or walk guys. He should’ve been able to get them 1-2 and then jam them or pop them up on 98 at the top of the zone. Everything shouldn’t be torture.

  21. Roger Garrett

    I like the aggressive play of this team but there are times and when you just have to put up the stop sign.If they can’t get in the flow of the game as to when or not to run then they have to be told at the moment in the game.The Reds do these things even when they win so its not like it only happens when they lose.Players play and coaches coach and its on the coaches to stay focused and stay in the moment if the players won’t.Assuming they will is a bad assumption as is so evident as to how many times we have talked about bad base running or lack of fundamentals.I know its not little league and am not suggesting these players be treated as such but assuming they will get it on their own well just isn’t working.Managers and coaches just have to think ahead all the time in order to help their team and it has to be hard to do but it’s their job.I have always felt ours just watch the game as fans sometimes but even if they do they can see that 2 or 3 bone headed decisions show up on most nights.

  22. Grand Salami

    What are the best odds of Bell dropping the personal catcher rule? Doesn’t seem to benefit Hunter all that much.

    Maile 2/5 is just too much and Stephenson isn’t getting enough work, imo.

    A lineup with a backup IF, backup OF, and backup C isn’t going to score many runs.

    • Rob

      Our bench seems rather weak with Thompson, Espinal, and Maile. Injuries have significantly affected this. But we are now 20 games into the season and it seems to me to need addressing. We need 1-2 big thump RH hitting OFs. I was initially thinking non defensive type guys but maybe 1 of them needs to be starter quality with the same defensive limitations. I am just not ready to commit to India as our starting 2B until August, and Steer could move to 2B. Castellanos would be the type of player I am thinking of with 270 BA and mega XBHs. Don’t know that he would be enamored by a semi starting role though but you get the idea of what type of player we need imo. Soler, Ozuna, etc. I just think we are overrated by the local scribes and fans. Looks no better than last year’s 83 win team to me although I recognize we added a lot of payroll toward getting 90 wins or more. By August, we may be better but how many games out of first? Also, didn’t we all had a bite of that apple last year when we were actually in first place awaiting and betting on the return of Greene and Lodolo. Krall is smarter than I am but right now I see a need for 1-2 bats and his inactions tell me he thinks he can get us to July in first place or almost first place. Not my view! Guys like Soler are no more expensive than Candelario types plus we have tons of pitching prospects that have very little window to the Reds in 2024. Yeah, I know it is early but I don’t want to get to “late”.

    • Mauired

      Agreed. The defense from Stephenson to Maile is not that different. I think Maile threw out his first runner of the season yesterday in his 7th game. But the difference is offense is pretty bad. Maile is hitting .130 and .492 ops. Stephenson’s overall stats aren’t much better. But he’s at least trending in the right direction with hits in 8 of 10 starts.

      REDS ARE 2-5 WHEN MAILE STARTS

      Blame it on Hunter Greene but despite his inefficient pitch count he has pitched well (outside of 1 game) enough to keep the Reds in games.

      Vs Nationals 4.2 innings 2ER
      Vs Mets 6 innings 1ER
      Vs Brewers 6 innings 6ER
      Vs Mariners 4 innings 1ER

  23. Reddawg2012

    Reds pitching allowed 13 walks over the last two games. Mariners pitching allowed 4 walks over the last two games. I think this is the biggest factor of all. These losses are a team-wide failure. You can’t allow so many free passes to a struggling offense, and the lineup needs to do more.

  24. Pete

    Points to consider: the bad news is the Reds start off the season very poorly in April during David Bell’s tenure. The good news is we are halfway through April. The bad news is the Reds tend to close the season the same way. Why is this?

    If Hunter Greene washes out as a top end starting pitcher, would it be so awful if he ended up being the closer? I could imagine a bullpen of Cruz in the seventh, Diaz in the eighth and Greene closing it out. Many championship have been won with a great bullpen. Possibly lemonade needs to be made of those lemons. Is David Bell willing to adapt? What would Bruce Bochy do?

    • greenmtred

      I doubt that Bochy or any other good manager would push the panic button. Greene is young and has missed significant time due to injuries and thus has less experience than do most pitchers his age. And as OBE and others have pointed out, a good number of outstanding pitchers took years to mature into the effectiveness we all associate with them.

      • SultanofSwaff

        Agreed. I did bristle at the broadcast last night comparing Greene’s first 50 starts to Johnny Cueto. The gist is that both had similar ERA’s and HR’s allowed, with Greene having much higher strikeout totals. I think the implication was that Greene might be headed for greater heights. To that assertion I would say it’s more likely at the moment that Greene has plateaued due to the aforementioned limits in his repertoire compared to Cueto. I’d love more than anything to be wrong.

      • Pete

        Green, I will have to respectfully disagree. One of Bochy’s greatest strengths is his willingness to go off the beaten path and do what is necessary to win games. It probably has a great deal to do with the four championships that he has won. The problem isn’t that Greene isn’t a good pitcher, he is a very good picture. Are the Reds maximizing his value right now with pitch counts. Like any picture there is only so many pictures in that arm his. Are they being used to the greatest advantage? That is my only question. And is there an upside to a possible alternative? As time rolls on and if things continue to stay the same, I think it is an idea worth entertaining.

        The other thing I think about is if Greene knew he was going to be limited to say anywhere between 15 and 25 pitches, he could throw the ball as hard as he wants. No need to save anything in the tank. My guess is his velocity would go up a tick or two. He could be a monster in the closer role.

      • Rob

        SOS, I couldn’t agree more on the biased comparison of Greene and Cueto. No opinion here on whether Greene is going to turn out to be Cueto like or much less. But perhaps a more level comparison would be Greene vs like top 10 draft choices of his era and age.

        I think there is cause for patience but golly there is also cause for concern and when. It is only his 3rd year but what exactly are signs that this is going to turn out well? Certainly not his number of wins. Certainly not his innings pitched. Certainly not his ERA. Guess I don’t adhere to the light switch theory but that sure seems like we are at. Just worried that we have put put so much into this season and have so much of our high expectations based on Greene being Cueto.

    • Mark Moore

      I’m thinking Bruce, Craig, and all the other top-end managers (out of 30) would exercise patience and coaching. We have no idea what Bell is doing/will do. And I am NOT a Bell apologist. I’m the one who ranks him 30 of 30 with a cement block on his leg. He ended last season 100 of 30 in my ranking stats.

      I realize we won’t go back to the70’s and days of the Kangaroo Kourts, but some evidence of accountability and change would be appreciated by this 60-year-old fan.

    • greenmtred

      Pete: You think Bochy would turn HG into a closer at this point in his career? I’m not very familiar with his (Bochy’s) body of work and will take your word for it that he’s adaptable, but he would surely know that starting pitchers can take more than a couple of years to mature and learn to pitch. It would have made as much sense to move Cueto and Koufax to the pen at equivalent stages in their careers. HG may never develop a great third pitch or learn to be pitch-efficient, and he could switch roles later in that case. But as you know, a dominant starter is worth waiting for.

      • greenmtred

        I should have said, Pete, that you made some excellent points. I certainly do agree about the value of a great closer.

  25. MBS

    Greene 2024

    4 Seam 49%
    Slider 43.3%
    Split 5%
    Curve 2.7%

    Greene 2023

    4 Seam 54.4%
    Slider 40.3%
    Change 5.3%

    It’s a bit of an improvement over last year, but I’d love to see at least 20% of his pitches coming from a combination of his 3 & 4 pitch. More is better, but I’ll take that over his 5.3% last year.

    • AllTheHype

      Reality is batters can still sit on one of two pitches, because he only throws the others about 6 to 8 times total in a game.

      So given just two pitches a batter has to defend against, he is forced to work the edges to maintain some advantage, and cannot pitch to contact.

      If he were 20%, as you say, that would be something else the batter would actually have to defend. Then he could pitch to contact a little more and keep his pitch count more manageable.

      But until then…..he’ll be mired in pitch count abyss.

      • Still a Red

        If he can’t control his 3/4 pitch yet, using them more often might not help. Is he working on them in his off days??? Could he use them more in certain counts…0 and 2 makes the most sense, unless he ends up grooving them.

  26. GPod

    The trend that seems to continue with the lineup is the strikeouts….the one at-bat last night that disgusted me was Espinal leading off the 9th with the reds 2 runs down. He gets to 2-0 then (predictable) swings at ball 3…..ends up striking out to lead off the inning. Is it me, or the goal of a guy currently hitting .148, is to get on base? Taking that 3rd pitch should have been automatic if you are a team player and care about nothing else except winning the game. Totally selfish baseball if you ask me. I would hope a good manager notices things like this.

    • Roger Garrett

      Yep your right and what a great example in helping making my point above.This is a prime example of a sign being given to take a strike given the score and the inning etc etc.Now one would think down 2 last chance to come back that the player would take one but he didn’t sooooo where is the coach or the manager at?Just bad baseball IMO that he swung and its even worse if they didn’t give him the take sign.