The Milwaukee Brewers came through when they had runners on base all night and the top three hitters in the lineup combined for six runs batted in. That was more than enough as Cincinnati’s offense outside of Elly De La Cruz struggled to do much hitting throughout the game in the Reds 7-2 loss on Wednesday night.

Final R H E
Milwaukee Brewers (8-3) 7 6 0
Cincinnati Reds (6-6)
2 4 1
W: Wilson (1-0) L: Greene (0-1)
Statcast | Box Score | Game Thread

Hunter Greene wasn’t going to keep the opposition homerless for the entire season, but he had done so through his first two games of the year. It only lasted three batters into the game on Wednesday night as Christian Yelich hit a wall-scraper into the first row of seats to put the Brewers up 2-0.

Milwaukee would play add on in the 2nd inning. Greene hit Jake Bauers to lead off the inning, but got the next two batters out. The Brewers then put together three straight ground ball singles through the infield to plate three runs and push their lead to 5-0.

While the Reds were still looking for their first hit of the game in the 4th, Milwaukee was adding another run. Another hit batter came back to haunt Hunter Greene as Blake Perkins got on to lead off the inning and came around to score on a sacrifice fly by Jackson Chourio that make it a 6-0 ballgame.

Stuart Fairchild got the Reds first hit and drove in their first run in the bottom of the 4th with a 2-out single that was preceded by the first walk of the season for Christian Encarnacion-Strand and a hit batter, but Jeimer Candelario was thrown out by 10 feet trying to go first-to-third. Bryse Wilson took over to begin the 5th for Milwaukee and Elly De La Cruz welcomed him with an opposite field homer to make it 6-2.

The Brewers would get that run back almost immediately as Blake Perkins crushed a solo homer in the top of the 6th inning. That pushed the lead back to five runs.

Neither team got a whole lot going from that point forward thanks to strong pitching out of the bullpen for both clubs. But in the top of the 9th inning Christian Encarnacion-Strand flashed some leather as he climbed and went over the rolled up tarp to make a catch into the net.

Cincinnati went down in order in the bottom of the inning as the Brewers sealed the 7-2 win and guaranteed themselves at least a series split with one game left to go.

Key Moment of the Game

The 2-run single by William Contreras that made it 5-0 in the 2nd inning.

Notes Worth Noting

Elly De La Cruz had two hits on the night. He’s hitting .318/.375/.659 with eight extra-base hits in 12 games. He did not strike out for the third straight game after striking out at least one in the first nine games of the season.

The Reds batters struck out just two times in the game, but Cincinnati managed just four total hits.

Up Next for the Cincinnati Reds

Milwaukee Brewers vs Cincinnati Reds

Thursday April 11th, 1:10pm ET

Freddy Peralta (1-0, 3.09 ERA) vs Nick Martinez (0-0, 7.20 ERA)

94 Responses

  1. Tom Noonan

    Elly is looking better and better. Can we trade Jeimer back to Detroit? For a case of Strohs? Or even Schlitz.

  2. Melvin

    “He did not strike out for the third straight game after striking out at least one in the first nine games of the season.”

    If he can keep that up he’ll be a superstar.

  3. Ted Alfred

    It looks like a rain out tomorrow which would be a good thing because Martinez is not a good starting pitcher and Peralta is

  4. Mike W

    Too bad Bell doesn’t read these posts. Every other day for more than two weeks I’ve said our lineup should be India, Benson, Elly, Steer, CES and whomever else to fill the spots with Stephenson last. Of course I said Benson, Elly, Steer at 3,4,5, all last year and he didn’t do it. His disrespect of Benson last year — having him hit 7th or 8th was atrocious (at best). Keeping Elly at 6th so as to limit his ABs and gaining experience against all pitchers this year is horrible, and having the slowest player in the lineup (a catcher) hitting ahead of Elly was not only insulting it was damaging as Elly couldn’t run is Stephenson was on ahead of him. The GM has to TELL Bell the batting order of the first 5 EVERY day should be: India, Benson, Elly, Steer, CES. Come on Bell, do this so our offense can get going.

    • Mauired

      Bell was flat out asked in the post game interview if he would think about changing his lineup construction and he obliviously responded that he wasn’t looking to spark anything. No wonder why he is and always will be a losing manager.

      • JB

        “Wasn’t looking to spark anything” what the heck is that response? The dude is watching a different game than I am.

    • CI3J

      It has always frustrated me that Bell constantly tinkers with his lineups, but he never tinkers his was into an OPTIMAL lineup.

      It’s a bit like if Bell were driving a car that has the “check engine” light on, and he sees it and decides to rotate the the tires. Yes, he’s changing things, but he’s not changing the RIGHT things, so the problems persist.

      • greenmtred

        I did a little tabulating of Steer’s season to date. I chose Steer because his batting seventh has been a frequent source of angst for us. Here’s what I found: Of the 12 games so far, he’s batted second in six of them and been on base eight times. In six games batting seventh, he’s been on base thirteen times. Small sample size, of course, but many of our complaints are based on small sample sizes–Candelario, for instance, or Hunter Greene who, because of injury, has pitched professionally less than other MLB pitchers his age. Fans of a certain age–like me–seem to have a commitment to the importance of the optimal lineup–whatever that is, since it would actually vary based on who’s pitching for the bad guys–and I’m not saying that lineup has no importance. But I am saying that it almost certainly has less importance than I used to think, as studies have shown. An illustration of what is likely one of the reasons for this is the comparative likelihood that a .300 hitter will have more hits in a game than will a .250 hitter. There’s also the need to factor in factors like a hitter’s comfort (or discomfort) with where he might be in the order. Benson last season may well be an example of this.

      • JohnnySofa

        I’m glad to see most fans here see the obvious. But it’s beyond frustrating to see posters who continue to claim Steer’s sample size is too small to justify hitting 3rd, while at the same time acting as if Candy is a proven power hitter. In Steer’s rookie season he had better stats across the board than Candy’s career bests. I can’t imagine any manager in baseball dropping Steer to the 7th slot every other day for any other reason than to prove how much smarter they are than the average fan. This is one of many examples where Bell’s stubborness equates to stupidity, which equates to bad results.

      • greenmtred

        Did you actually read my post, Johnny? I presented Steer’s results this year for the two different positions in the BA–better when he batted seventh, by the way, so the reference to small sample size tended, if anything, to discount the idea that this was evidence that he should bat lower in the order. I did go on to mention that the whole issue is both more complicated and less consequential than many seem intent to make it.

      • JohnnySofa

        Actually, it isn’t as complicated as this manager wants us to believe. Steer is this team’s best hitter, period. Put him in the 3-hole and leave him there.

      • greenmtred

        It isn’t just this manager, Johnny: Managers use specific advanced stats. There is also the question of balancing a lineup and providing protection for another hitter. Generally, yes, the studies indicate that having the best hitters batting high in the order makes the most sense. But Steer, batting 7th half the time, is among MLB leaders in RBI, so he’s certainly producing and certainly coming to bat with men on base. Of course it’s possible that Bell has a deranged bee in his bonnet and isn’t making logical decisions. A lot of you guys obviously believe that. Since I don’t know the reasons for his decisions or have access to a good deal of salient information, I’m not judging him like playing for him.

      • Melvin

        Steer was the team MVP last year and so far again this year. I know of at least 5 games this year in which, when batting 7th he has multiple hit games so putting him in the 7th spot because he’s not as good facing a righty makes ZERO sense. If we were 10-2 with the guys ahead of him tearing it up at the plate that would be one thing. Neither are true. Moving him up in the order and leaving him there is about as a “no brainer” as it gets.

      • greenmtred

        Consider, Melvin, that Steer also easily leads the team in RBI’s despite batting seventh half the time. Or maybe it isn’t despite that. Bell often has good hitters batting pretty low in the order, maybe because he likes to have tough outs every inning or maybe because the Reds have a fair number of hitters the other team has to worry about. It’s possible that Steer isn’t batting seventh because Bell doesn’t think he’s good enough. It’s also a tiny sample size.

      • Melvin

        greenmtred – You don’t take your best hitter on the team and bat him 7th. Period. That is not just my opinion. It’s the opinion of 99%+ of the baseball world (although I haven’t counted everyone personally). 😉

      • Tom Diesman

        I personally don’t care where they all bat since I understand it’s not worth wasting much so much breath on something that matters so little. But I am a bit confused here. So which rule trumps which here? Move your best hitters up and down the lineup on a daily basis according to their OPS, or leave a hitter alone in a spot he hits best from (The India leadoff rule.). Just asking since Steer hits at a .961 OPS from the 7th spot which is a hundred points higher than any other spot in the lineup.

      • Melvin

        Tom – “I personally don’t care where they all bat since I understand it’s not worth wasting much so much breath on something that matters so little”

        I think it matters more than you think. It’s about a sense of urgency to put your best hitters hitting in the places that gives you the best chance to win that day. I’m not saying that you take a poor hitter who has one good day and move him up over a proven good hitter. However there is “much ado about nothing” when it comes to moving guys around in the order. If Little Leaguers can handle it emotionally I have faith that these professionals, even with their egos, can handle it too. It’s just for one game. It’s not etched in stone. That hitter can go back to that spot in the future maybe. Changing the batting order is not like moving guys around on defense. Sparky Anderson is heralded at the greatest Reds manager of all time on here and rightfully so. However if you study the Big Red Machine even he, with all those great players, was not afraid to do that from time to time. EVERYTHING matters. We lost being in the playoffs by two games last year. We have gotten off to poor starts for several years in a row now. It just makes no sense leaving guys who are obviously in a prolonged slump not hitting well batting in key spots in the top of the order (e.g Candelario). It makes even less sense leaving a guy, who has proven to be your best hitter, near the bottom when there are clearly guys who are struggling at the top. While keeping in perspective the whole season still, as much as possible, go all out to win every game every day. The playoff spots are won or lost just as much in April as they are in September. Momentum is a BIG DEAL. Ride it as long as you can especially with hot hitters, especially when that guy is your BEST hitter. Giving your best hitter possibly one less AB during a game than your weak hitters makes no sense. One AB can make a difference in one game and that one game could make a difference as to whether or not a team is in the playoffs at the end of the year. Don’t take any game casually. They all matter…a lot. That is if a team wants to be a WINNER. I like you I’m sure and everyone else on here, am TIRED of losing.

      • Tom Diesman

        @Melvin, those are all fine and good opinions, but mine still differs, the lineup doesn’t matter much. I’ve done the math and posted it here before.

        I’m still looking for the answer to the simple question above, and not necessarily from you, on which often proclaimed rule from the every day lineup nit pickers is more important.

        “Move your best hitters up and down the lineup on a daily basis according to their OPS, or leave a hitter alone in a spot he hits best from (The India leadoff rule.). Just asking since Steer hits at a .961 OPS from the 7th spot which is a hundred points higher than any other spot in the lineup.”

    • mac624

      The biggest issue is the injuries to McLain and Friedl and the Marte suspension. Until they are available, this team is going to suffer especially if the pitching isn’t there. I’m still not sad about the record, as they’ve played some good teams and are still at .500. But I think it’s pretty unrealistic to ask any manager to fill voids with that much offensive firepower out the lineup daily. McLain may be gone all season (who knows), but if Friedl can return by June 1 and we get Marte back and going, there’s still a chance to win more than loose, even if the pitching isn’t as consistent as it needs to be. I am encouraged by EDLC. The Reds really need a superstar to rally around, and it does appear that Elly is starting to take some steps toward being that guy. Lots and lots of season left, but I’m expecting around a .500 performance until some of these injured guys can get back and in the lineup. Personally, I think Steer should bat behind EDLC wherever that is in the lineup. Hopefully one of CES or Jemier catch fire soon, because another consistent bat is desperately needed until the injured return.

      • Rob

        The team spent a lot of money this winter to be better than last year and compete for the Division.whether they were the right moves is a whole different question. But this is who we are. No doubt the loss of 3 key offensive players is hurting us but it is what it is. I don’t know that we are competitive/capable with these losses but that isn’t my job. Krall is the one that needs to decide whether we can maintain pace . If we can’t, then doesn’t he need to add pieces…..before we find ourselves too far behind? Obviously yes. We are not going to rebuild or acquire prospects in July. That does nothing but turn the clock another year.i don’t think there is any doubt that we are in to win this year. Maybe it won’t work out. But I can’t imagine us being anything but buyers. Very possibly, a lot sooner than July.

  5. Brian

    I said last week that I didn’t buy into Greene’s performance and why. He’s gonna be a high era guy with some good outings sprinkled in. I just don’t see potential ace unless a lot of things change.
    It’s good to see EDLC continue to hit.

    • MuddyCleats

      Agree, Greene simply doesn’t have a “feel” 4 pitching! He’s a thrower & wants to overpower hitters instead of get them out. Watched the low lights of last night’s performance, & it’s easy to see all the big hits were on pitches “ Right down Broadway.”
      Hard to understand how Greene & Reds can’t seem to turn things around & demand he at least try to locate pitches & try to become a pitcher!

      • still a red

        “demand he at least try to locate pitches…” That’s funny.

      • MuddyCleats

        At Still Red, it’s the scene fm A Leauge of their Own, where Mgr Tom Hanks is ready to pop a vein try to explain the importance of hitting the cut off man/gal to his very blond RF……. Hunter shows NO inclination of wanting to change his approach & coaches don’t seem to b asking him to or helping him become more effective. Not sure how many more starts u give a guy who isn’t effective & not trying anything new to b more effective?

      • Still a Red

        Just because he apparently isn’t doesn’t mean he’s not trying. So, because he hasn’t figured out how to do it yet, you’re going to bench or send down the only player you’ve extended?

  6. LDS

    The best that can be said of tonight’s game is the Reds didn’t SO 10+ times. Just not looking like a competitive team for a good run this season. Come on rain out.

  7. Jake

    The Reds have 3 fun players to watch -ELDC, Steer and Benson. Occasionally Fraley. Their starting pitching is weak and their bullpen is average. If more injuries pile up the season will get ugly. As it is, I don’t see them getting to .500 at season’s end. hope I’m wrong.

    • Brian

      Lodolo and Friedl would be huge adds if they are healthy. There’s also Moll and a couple of other guys that could help.
      They’re gonna have the ups and downs of growing pains this year. They need to get something from their 1B and 3B players for sure to do anything. 40 games in will paint more clarity.

  8. VegasRed

    It continues to baffle me that the Reds’ ownership and FO do not recognize how lacking the Reds play in fundamentals and smart baseball. I say they don’t “recognize” the poor fundamentals and sheer lack of savvy by both Reds’ pitchers and hitters, because it’s almost incomprehensible/unbelievable/inexplicable to even speculate that they accurately perceive the failings yet still accept the same old same old.

    Bell ‘s teams have consistently failed to execute and play fundamental baseball on the field for years. And I doubt there is a more bullet proof, secure manager in baseball.

    It’s why I resent the ownership group and have near zero respect for the FO and on field management teams.

    I love the Reds but I have zero confidence they ever win anything of note until the Castellini’s and the management are gone. It’s almost a joke when they run up against a smart, fundamental organization like the Brewers.

    • Ted Alfred

      100%….big difference in how the organizations are run. Brewers are run well….Reds not so much. Re-signing Bell was just dumb. They should have a nice window ahead to win with so much young, cheap talent, but they are gonna blow most of it due to that decision.

      • JohnnySofa

        Thank you for the sensible post. The most frustrating part of my professional life used to be seeing incompetent people somehow, some way entrenched in high management positions. That is no longer a problem now that I’m a business owner. You suck. You gone.

    • MFG

      Totally agree on the fundamentals part. Poor base running, missing the cutoff man, not backing up throws. Elly gets on and Espinal swings at the first or second pitch and hits into a double play? You have to take a few pitches there to let Elly steal the base.

    • Justin T

      David Bell is a bad baseball manager. It’s not just fundamentals, it’s everything. There is nothing he is above average at. At this point if anyone defends his moves or ability to be a consistent winning manager, they are just trolling (or related). He has had 5 years and the same problems arise year after year. Every bad category you can think of…walks allowed, batters striking out, defensive errors etc- Bell’s Reds are usually near the top. If the team is healthy or injured he gets the same results. Its unbelievable.

      The similarities between him and former Bengal HC David Shula are striking. From the first name, the personality, nepotism, to the results- its uncanny. I want to like the guy too, he just makes it impossible.

  9. Andrew Brewer

    Andrew Abbott shut the Brewers down last year when they came to town and prevented a sweep. The Reds are certainly not firing on all cylinders, and so we need to reconstruct the line up to put our best hitters together. I know it’s early, but every game counts. Right now we have two holes in our lineup, and there needs to be just one.

  10. David

    It continues to be puzzling WHY the Reds acquired jeimer Candelario, and why he is still “installed” in the cleanup spot.
    Of course, he didn’t pitch an inning tonight.
    Hunter Greene saw to it that the Brewers built a big lead.

    Very, very disappointing series this week. Lost two out of three to the Mets (who have started lousy but may end up being a good team this year) and now losing two out of three to the Brewers, with their “ace”, Peralta, on tap for tomorrow. The Reds should hope for a rainout so they won’t lose 3 out of 4.
    Lodolo is back, I guess, and will be in the 6 man rotation. He got clobbered in his last appearance at AAA against Gwinnett, so don’t expect too much of him for a while.
    Ian Gibaut appears to be okay now, so he will likely replace Carson Spiers in the bullpen, as Carson goes back to AAA ball.

    • JON

      Gibaut allowed 2 runs on 3 hits with a strikeout in 0.2 innings last night.

      • JB

        The Reds will definitely call him up with that performance.

      • David

        Yeah, not really stellar, but physically he does appear to be “all right”. Maybe some more work on rehab?
        Ian Gibaut is on the 40 man, Tony Santillan, pitching REAL WELL at AAA ball (on a minor league contract) is not on the 40 man.

  11. David

    Tony Santillan, doing real well as a reliever in AAA ball.

    And…not on the 40 man roster.

    • Jason T.

      Crazy isn’t it?
      Yet Spiers is and his ERA is about the same at AAA and ML, around 7. Guy is awful.

    • MBS

      I’m a little surprised we didn’t see Santillan added to the roster yesterday. I assumed now that TJ is having the surgery, he’d go on the 60 day IL. They burned Spiers the night before, so Santillan to the 40 for Antone, and to the 26 for Spiers.

      I don’t know what might be keeping them from doing this.

      • David

        Tejay Antone is done…I mean really done. Yeah, on the 60 day dl, and off the 40 man.
        And Santillan should be added, but I don’t expect that.
        Maybe put somebody else’s castoff pitcher on the 40 man and expect something miraculous.

  12. Oldtimer

    Reds were 29-35 last year until they won 12 straight.

    This 6-6 start (with 3 starters out injured or suspended and Lodolo still not SP) is not all that bad.

    • TR

      Agreed. Another game, go for the split and on to Chicago.

      • Oldtimer

        The 2012 Reds (97-65 and division champions) started 4-8.

    • jon

      And they will all be out for another 3-4 months.TJ maybe next month.

  13. Reddawg2012

    It feels like the Reds aren’t even competitive against the Brewers. So many of the same issues. Hunter can’t locate his pitches, terrible fundamentals all around, questionable defense, poor approach at the plate up and down the lineup, and then of course, bump on a log David Bell sounding like Eeyore after the game as he mumbles something about the guys playing hard and the Brewers being a good team.

    The positive here is clearly Elly. Hopefully he can somehow spark the rest of the team.

  14. docproc

    Good time for a rainout today–our Reds are out of sorts.
    Maybe when we make up this game we’ll have some key pieces back in our lineup–and Peralta won’t be on the mound.

  15. Jim Walker

    I have a growing concern for what’s going on with Will Benson. He had another K vs RHP Wednesday night. His K% vs RHP is now up to 42.4%. His OBP vs RHP is a dismal 21.2% (BA .188). Thankfully and ironically, he is doing quite well vs LHP (OPB/SLG/OPS of .429/.727/1.156); K rate 29%). However, as the season grinds on, even with Friedl back, the Reds will need much better production from Benson when he is facing RH pitching.

    • wkuchad

      Fairly small sample size so far. In 2023, Benson was our best hitter versus RHP, and that was after a very slow start.

      • Jim Walker

        Last year as essentially an untested rookie, Benson was sent down after playing in 8 games (21 PAs, all vs RHP) with a K rate of 57% a BA of.050, and OBP of .095. He returned about 7 weeks later and went on to have a 130 OPS+, on the cusp between a very good to outstanding season.

        He is currently after 32 PA vs RHP batting .188 with an OBP 04 .212 and K rate of 42%. The major difference while he is striking out a lower but still highly unsatisfactory rate in 2024, he has a much better slugging rate this year (.000 in 2023 when sent back), currently .438, which may be sustainable.

        It is still early enough he could still turn the stats around with a big series or two followed by improved consistency. However, it is on the verge of getting late early for him as by the end of this coming road trip over 10% of the season will be in the books.

  16. William

    The Reds have to play better to win the division.

    • Oldtimer

      The 2012 Reds started 4-8. They finished 97-65 and were division champions.

  17. SultanofSwaff

    After watching 3 spring training starts I cautioned that Hunter Greene would likely not take that next step and so far there is nothing to dispel that notion. The data on him is nearly identical in every way to the last 2 mediocre seasons.

    There’s an impending roster crunch for the pitching staff. Might sound crazy, but optioning Greene instead of Abbott or Ashcraft could have merit. Send him down to do more than throw the fastball/slider combo 95% of the time. Hit the pause button in service of the greater goal.

    • Jim Walker

      Part of the issue may be that this pitch mix is exactly how the Reds brain trust wants him to be pitching.

      Two things we can say about how the Reds are run on the field are that they are all in on spin rate and velocity over command in their pitchers and handedness platooning for their offense. They will live or die on those principles rather than deviate from them.

      • SultanofSwaff

        Yeah, I don’t disagree that the problem with Greene is faciliated by the people who so far have failed to recognize that a course correction is needed.

    • jessecuster44

      BuT hE THroWS HaRD and iS STilL DeVEloPinG

  18. Klugo

    Awesome watching Elly adjust and improve right before our eyes in real time.

  19. still a red

    Milwaukee is an experienced disciplined team. Still too early for so much angst.

    • Justin T

      Oh but this has went on much much longer than this year lol And that well- disciplined team did a great job of showing us (again) that the Reds aren’t.

  20. GPod

    Apparently the team had a meeting before the brewers series to talk about “setting a tone” against them in this series……looks like nothing has changed from last year against them.

  21. Hanginwithem

    Tinker’s current win %, into his 6th season, .469.

    • Mark A Verticchio

      So sad, nothing else to say because nothing is going to change. Just watch him during the games he has a deer in the headlights look.

      • Jimbo44CN

        No, it’s more like the 100 yard stare, and it never changes.

      • GPod

        I just cannot understand how you can have a lifetime .240 hitter (currently batting .152) in the lineup as your cleanup hitter…..and when asked about changing the lineup in the post-game…..says no changes needed, everything is fine…..?????

      • greenmtred

        For several years he was among the league leaders in extra-base hits. Had over 60 last year.

      • JohnnySofa

        In seasons with 200+ ABs, he’s batted ,.224, .203, .271, .217, .251. We better hold our breath for .250 and a double every 4-5 days.

      • greenmtred

        40 doubles this year would be fine, wouldn’t it? He may end up being a bust, but if he gets 60 XBH, I expect we’ll find a way to live with the batting average. Too early to give up on him in any case.

      • JohnnySofa

        Not giving up on him. Just being realistic about what the Reds bought. He’ll be better than he is currently (Votto was a notoriously slow starter), but I never understood the signing or the applause that came with it when everyone in baseball knew this team needed to spend $$ on an OF and a bulldog SP — not a .240 hitting IF who occasionally hits doubles.

    • Westfester

      In his 6th season, 4/6 seasons with AWFUL rosters, Bell’s win percentage is .469. There, fixed it for you.

  22. old-school

    Game is rained out.
    move on to the WHite sox and win a series.

    • Jim Walker

      Thankfully and yes. These are the times that test Bell’s mettle. Look no further than the 5 losing streaks last season of longer than 4 games (3×6 games; 2×4 games). They also had a number of long winners (aside from the 12 gamer; 4x5games).

      This two way streakiness went a long way in giving rise in me to believe Bell is a go with the flow guy, a competent manager perhaps but not an effective leader in troubled times.

  23. Mike W

    Before the game started, my stomach started to feel upset because once again Bell didn’t understand his lineup should start with India, Benson, EDLC, Steer. CES. Then a sentence popped up on the screen that said “The Brewers are the second best fastball hitting team in MLB.” Then my stomach started getting worse as i saw Hunter thrown 97-99 mph fastballs over and over again and the Brew Crew get hit after hit. I thought to myself, “Didn’t the Reds know the Brewers loved facing fastballs? And why wasn’t Hunter throwing more offspeed if Brewers were the best fastball hitting team in the NL? I took a little Pepto Bismol. And if Miley’s stuff was confusing us so much (of course he and Sonny Gray should still be Reds, but that’s another discussion), we should have known that a 37 year old Miley wasn’t going to throw 125 pitches, so let’s take some pitches and get his pitch count up and him out! He’s not fast, so let’s throw in some bunts. But no, Bell doesn’t know what the lineup should be, that Hunter should throw more off-speed since Milwaukee loves fastballs, that Miley brought his A game, so take more pitches to get his pitch count up, to encourage our guys try a fee bunts. That Yellich kills the Reds and should maybe be walked? Just fundamental obvious stuff someone MANAGING should know and do. Every manager must manage the hand (team) they’re dealt. They can’t blame loss of players to injuries or management not retaining them. Come on Bell, change the lineup, leave it in place (like the Yankees, Dodgers, Braves do), tell the pitchers/catchers what to do every night based on the team you’re facing, tell the hitters each night before the game and during the game what to do, don’t just phone it in. (PS My feelings aren’t new. I’ve felt this way the last several years. I think Bell’s career record is a losing one. He should not have been rehired/extended after managing us to lose 100 games. This is not a “family business” where someone is kept ‘cuz e.g. he’s a nice guy or married to the owner’s daughter, or 3rd generation employee. This is a corporation worth a billion dollars, employing who knows how many people and benefiting a small market city in countless ways. You are given a few years to prove yourself and kept if you do and let go if you don’t — just like we do with our players who are employees, just like Bell.

    • David

      Very good points, that cover what a lot of us feel. I don’t use Pepto-bismol, but I get the gist of what you are trying to say.
      Bell doesn’t adapt. He has a team and plays it a certain way. I think the best managers adapt their strategy based on the actual talent that they have.
      I remember some years ago, when the Reds had a pitcher that had also pitched with the St. Louis Cardinals. He remarked (then) that there was no overall pitching strategy with the Reds, as their had been with the Cardinals. All the starters were “on their own”, so to speak. I think nothing has changed, and this means that unless the Reds players get incredibly “hot” and win a bunch of games on their own talent, we are going to be continuously mired at around a 0.500 winning percentage, at best.

  24. Mike W

    I write too much. Here’s my Cliff’s Notes version: Bell, like the players, is an employee. If he produces good results during his contract resign him. If not, let him go and try someone else. Heck I’ve seen some teams let managers with winning records go. That’s business.

    • greenmtred

      The Tigers didn’t fire Sparky after they lost 103 games.

      • Justin T

        A few championship rings makes your rope a little longer. Just hearing sparky’s name in the same sentence as david bell’s makes me chuckle.

      • JohnnySofa

        HAHAHAHAHAHA! Sparky Anderson … David Bell. It makes your defense of the Candy signing more understandable now.

      • greenmtred

        Glad I provided a little levity for you guys. Before you laugh too much, though, there is another point of comparison: the players Sparky had v. the players Bell has had. It’s hard or impossible to find an MLB manager who won without good players.

      • greenmtred

        And I wasn’t defending the Candelario signing: I was simply presenting a fact.

      • Justin T

        Not laughing at you buddy its just the bell/sparky thing. As far as the players go, Bell had a (relatively) loaded roster in 2020 and decent one in 2021 with .500 results. He is what he is at this point.

      • greenmtred

        I didn’t take it personally, Justin. But the best rosters Bell has had have not been a patch on Sparky’s BRM rosters. My point is not at all to denigrate Sparky, nor is it to evaluate Bell: my point is that managers have some effect, but it is nearly negligible compared to the effect of the roster.

  25. Pete

    Best thing to come out of last night in my opinion was after de la Cruz hit his homer he did put on the cape and the helmet but there was no mugging by the guys at the end of the dugout. It’s time to get serious about winning and the heck with the rest of it.

    I would recommend if we ever do get another manager with this group, they will be a taskmaster. Fundamentally we are God awful.

  26. Matt WI

    It seems almost impossible the Brewers can do this so regularly to the Reds. Is there some scouting advantage they are exploiting? How has Reds staff not figured out an approach to playing them? They are not such a better team that it would be expected (if Dodgers or Braves were here, I’d say, “ok, I’ll buy that.” Milwaukee has many newer guys like the Reds (Yelich and Adames exceptions) and yet they just pounded and pounded. Stinks that we had to be grateful to win a game they led 8-0. Something is going on.

    • Jim Walker

      I believe the Brewers dominance of the Reds must result from more effective preparation and follow on execution by the Brewers. Maybe the work is specific to the Reds. Maybe it is knowing how teams are pitching them (and their opposition) and planning off of that. Most likely, I’d bet it is a combination of the 2. It is also possible the methods they use to present and apply the preparation data are more effective in gaining results.

  27. greenmtred

    My goodness. I can smell the hair burning all the way up here in the cool, rainy North.

    • MrRed

      And to think it’s only April 11th. Wait until the summer rolls along and we get that much deeper into the season.

      • greenmtred

        We had a few days of smoke from wildfires in Canada last summer. I’m expecting the burning hair to rival that this year.

  28. Mike W

    As for any Sparky vs Bell comparisons, plz don’t do that again.
    Sparky has a .595 career record (and ring) managing the Reds.
    Bell has a .469 career record managing the Reds.
    Heck, Sparky’s .595 CAREER record with the Reds is better than ANY SINGLE year of Bell’s.
    Justin T is right about Sparky earned a longer rope.
    Bell lost 100 and we didn’t fire him, why? This is a business.
    I know he’s a 3rd generation Red’s employee, and I’m happy for him that he got a chance to manage. I’m also really sorry we lost more games than we won over his half decade of managing. I’m sure he tried his best during the 712 Major League games he’s managed, but his results — LOSING 53+% of the time — were mediocre.
    Heck, from 2009 thru 2012 he managed the Red’s minor league Peoria Saguaros, Carolina and Louisville teams and was a combined 241 and 350 — a “winning” record of only .408.
    I’m sorry, but this is a cutthroat business. I hope management looks at his 10 years as a manager in the Red’s organization and a thinks the city and fans nationwide deserve a change.

    • greenmtred

      Mike: as I said above, I’m not evaluating managers but pointing out that they have less effect on a team’s record than our fixation on Bell warrants. Sparky did indeed have a Tigers team that lost 103 games one year, and he had other losing seasons–not many. Casey Stengel’s Mets lost 123 once, and Lou Piniella lost 99. And so on. No manager can have a great record without great rosters and when Bell has had more than a handful of good players, the team has also been devastated by injury and had to rely on sub-par pitching, whether in the bullpen or the rotation. I’m not saying that he’s a good manager: I’m saying that jury is still out.

  29. Mike W

    David Bell’s father Gus Bell is the VP and Senior Advisor to former GM Robert H. Castellini, who is the owner. I’m sure David Bell’s father Gus is not advising the GM, President or owner to fire his son!

  30. Mike W

    Correcting myself: I meant Buddy, not Gus, in the two places I used his name above