Things didn’t go well in many facets for the Cincinnati Reds on Sunday afternoon as they dropped the game to the Mets while managing just three hits. But the hits kept coming as reliever Tejay Antone had to exit the game after just one pitch with an apparent injury.

Final R H E
New York Mets (3-6) 3 9 0
Cincinnati Reds (5-4)
1 3 1
W: Manaea (1-0) L: Abbott (0-1) SV: Diaz (2)
Statcast | Box Score | Game Thread

The Mets got a bit of a gift from the Reds in the top of the 1st when a ball that came off of the glove of a diving Christian Encarnacion-Strand was picked up by Santiago Espinal and thrown to first, but it was behind the covering Andrew Abbott and got by him, allowing Francisco Lindor to score on the play.

In the top of the second New York put another run on the board, this time it came after the Mets loaded the bases with no outs on a walk and back-to-back bunt singles. With one out Abbott hit Brandon Nimmo with a pitch to make it 2-0. He would get out of the inning with a double play and no further damage. They would pad their lead to 3-0 in the top of the 4th when Lindor came through with his first home run of the season.

The bottom of the 4th inning was perhaps the Reds biggest opportunity of the game to get back into things as they loaded the bases with no outs. Santiago Espinal came through with a sacrifice fly to make it 3-1. A walk to Luke Maile loaded the bases once again, but Bubba Thompson grounded into an inning-ending double play to squash any further rally.

Tejay Antone took the mound to begin the top of the 6th inning, but his first pitch was an 89 MPH 2-seamer and before the ball even reached the plate he winced and you could tell he was in pain. He walked off the mound and was immediately checked out by the trainer and left the game. Brent Suter took over and gave up a leadoff double, but he worked around it to keep the game 3-1.

Elly De La Cruz walked with two outs in the bottom of the 6th and then proceeded to steal both second and third base to put himself 90 feet from the plate, but a strikeout would end the inning and leave him stranded there.

Cincinnati would walk twice in the bottom of the 7th inning to put the tying runs on base. Christian Encarnacion-Strand would ground into a force out to strand the runners. That would be the final time the Reds would get a runner on base as Adam Ottavino and Edwin Diaz fired perfect 8th and 9th innings to give the Mets the win for the day and the series victory.

Key Moment of the Game

The Reds failing to truly cash in on two different bases loaded opportunities in the 4th and getting just one run out of it.

Notes Worth Noting

Here’s what David Bell had to say about Tejay Antone after the game.

Elly De La Cruz saw his hitting streak come to an end at 13 games, though he did reach base twice – once via the walk and once via a hit-by-pitch.

Up Next for the Cincinnati Reds

Milwaukee Brewers vs Cincinnati Reds

Monday April 8th, 6:40pm ET

Aaron Ashby (1st start of the year) vs Graham Ashcraft (0-1, 3.00 ERA)

102 Responses

  1. RedsMonk65

    Tough to win when you only get three hits.

    Will be interesting to see how the rotation/bullpen situation shakes out with Antone, Lodolo, etc.

    • Jon

      Think Gibaut slides into Antone’s spot. Will be interesting to see how the other spots get settled though (Moll and Lodolo).

      I don’t think Martini will be sticking on the roster too long either. Is quickly turning into another Vosler.

      • MK

        I’ve got Lodolo replacing Martinez and Martinez heading to the pen. Gibaut replaces Cruz who goes to AAA.

    • Jason T.

      Feel awful for Antone. Heartbreaking.
      Seems like such a cool dude too.

      Lodolo and Moll aren’t really an option now if they’re struggling against minor league competition. Hopefully they figure things out.

      • MK

        Not worried about those two as they are basically pitching Spring Training style, working on pitches and mechanics.

    • Brad Legg

      Everyone should pray for TJ. That man has been through so much.

  2. RedsMonk65

    Regarding Antone in a wider context…not an original thought, but certainly worth considering. Is the emphasis on velocity in MLB overall (compared with control and movement) these last several years beginning to reveal its downside? A lot of top-of-the-line starters and relievers going down with things like this, it seems. A lot of money at stake, too, in many cases. Worth exploring….

    • JB

      Yep. Ron Darling and Gary Cohen talked about this when Antone went down. They both think it has alot to do with velocity.

      • Jim Walker

        Yes, spin which impacts movement and the “weight” of a ball when trying to hit it.

        THe term “heavy fastball” (or slider) has been around baseball as long as I can recall and no doubt long before I was around to recall it.

      • CI3J

        Or even more recently, Jim, everyone and their grandmother knew that Brandon Webb had a “heavy sinker”. They talked about his sinker being so “heavy” that it broke bats.

        Incidentally, Webb’s career ended prematurely due to arm issues. He went from an All-Star, Cy Young winning pitcher at age 27 to out of baseball at age 30.

    • Jason Franklin

      Another problem could be the lessened time now between pitches. Those extra bit of seconds can make a difference on your elbow, shoulder, etc. Gives it a chance to relax/rest even if it’s not much time.

      • RedsMonk65

        Yes, thanks, I’ve wondered about that too. I think the MLBPA has registered a concern in that regard.

      • greenmtred

        Good thought. It seemed as though there were lots of injuries to pitchers before the rule change, but the decreased time probably doesn’t help.

      • JB

        I listened to Ron Darling today who was a successful big league pitcher and he said the time clock argument is hogwash. Has nothing to do with it. He said it has everything to do with clubs wanting 100 mph pitchers. He said the art of pitching is going to wayside and pitchers just rear back and throw now and not learning how to pitch and hit their spots. I side ,outside up and down. Taking a little off some pitches and adding to some. He pointed out Abbott yesterday of not throwing 97-100 on every pitch and moving the ball around and adjusting his speed. He said that guy will never have an arm problem .

      • MK

        JB, Abbott reminds me a great deal of Fred Norman of big Red Machine fame. Norman was a hard thrower as a young man and hurt his arm, but came back to remake himself and look alot like Abbott.

  3. Klugo

    The strikeouts are piling up, we’re not playing particularly good baseball, and yet we have a winning record. It could, and probably should, be worse. It’s only April. Let’s hope some bats start heating up for us. More good pitching coming our way this week.

    • Jon

      They definitely need a dominant offensive game. The games they’ve been winning have been late comebacks.

      • RedsMonk65

        Yes, I for one, would like to see them win some games in CONVINCING fashion. Seems like forever when they’ve strung together some games like that. Is that too much to ask? Perhaps so…….

      • TR

        Offensive breakout games are nice but I think winning a majority or more of close, one run games are a better indicator of a title team. But, that also depends on a solid bullpen. A lot of factors have to come together to produce a winner.

  4. Jeff morris

    Not sure if the Reds really miss Noelvi Marte, not sure how he would be doing so far if he did not get suspended. But, I do know they really miss Matt McClain alot! He would help especially against the Reds struggles against left handed pitching. Also, EDLC struck out again today by just taking strikes. Does he expect fast balls on every pitch? He needs to understand he will not be getting fast balls on every pitch, especially against teams bullpens, he has to learn to bat against sliders, even if he swings and misses, at least he is making an effort!

    • RedsMonk65

      Missing Friedl big time, too, I think.

    • Tom Reeves

      EDLC is batting .242, same as India, and .718 OPS (India is .738). He has 4 errors over India (0) but also 6 more SBs and 2 more Runs. He’s also been in the field every day and gets to some balls India can’t.

      My point is that India has been celebrated as the grinder and the motor of the team and EDLC is a heel. Yet, they’re both ending up with similar results.

      Right now Steer’s the only batter on the team achieving consistent solid results. Everyone else is struggling.

    • AMDG

      If Marte means the 0.180 hitting Candelario would be batting less, then the Reds (or at least their offense) does miss Marte.

      • greenmtred

        I’m not making assumptions about Candelario after 9 games, nor am I making too many assumptions about Marte after a short partial season. It’s safe to say that the Reds miss Friedl and McLain as they were last year. The pitching so far–9 games–has been good enough overall.

    • Captain redsleg

      Losing Matt McClain really hurts…but there is still a hitting problem with this team and that has been the case for years under David bell and Bryan Price….we need to have players working on pitch recognition more so than clearing fences

  5. Jason T.

    Still a young team in many spots offensively. I think 9 games is still too small of a sample size to say either way what will transpire over the coming months.
    Strikeouts are way too high, defense has sucked overall. Yet we are still over .500
    I do have faith in CES, Benson and others giving support to Steer. This team can run, like last year, and I do believe as the weather warms up, so will the bats.
    Pitching has been good so far. Starters, bullpen, a lot to like. Obviously room for improvement in some aspects but I’ll take what we’re seeing.

    • Melvin

      Hope Benson CAN hit lefties because if not we’re in trouble facing one. Today’s lineup showed a big time weakness.

  6. Reddawg2012

    It feels like the injuries (and suspension) are already catching up with this team. It’s hard to be overly upset with Krall. Or David Bell. They are missing so many significant players. Brewers coming up next doesn’t inspire much confidence.

  7. Old-school

    Throw me under the bus. I was at the game and take full responsibility. A few observations:
    1.) Reds fans support this team. Great environment, great experience, ton of families at the game.
    2.) Wind from RF was Gail force. No one was hitting anything out to RF. The Sac fly from Espinal and 3 runner advance was fun. Elly great base running there. Bubba made a great catch covering a ton of ground on a wind blooper and Stuey played well with a great rbi liner.
    3.) Infield defense awful and most of it mental. Espinal had zero chance on the slow roller and should have known high risk low reward play with speedy Lindor to score from 2nd on a LL play. Candelario indecisive and instead of aggressive 5-4 force lolligagged and allowed routine grounder infield single. Maile stood at catcher on a pop up 10 feet in front of the plate and made Candelario run from 20 feet past 3rd base to make a diving catch on an infield pop up. Mets coaches had Bells number on bunts. Totally unprepared.

    4.) Sunday lineup of righties against a lefty. Yikes. Espinal, Elly,Candelario, Bubba, Maile….Sigh. Elly twists and moves his upper body and head on off-speed pitches from lefties all over the place. Where are the hitting coaches? Get in your stance and slow down.

    5.) I was in right field but it looked like Abbott threw strikes that were called balls. Maybe my bad eyesight.
    6.) Catchers arent hitting or catching well.

    Anyway. Great park experience on a beautiful day. Sorry for the L. Brewers coming so next 4 are huge.

    • Melvin

      “Throw me under the bus. I was at the game and take full responsibility.”

      Yeah. You should feel BAD. Just kidding. Hope you had a good time. 🙂

    • sultanofswaff

      I don’t think Candelario was indecisive on that fielders choice I think Espinal was late to the bag (his second mental of the game). The TV show showed Candelario yelling over in his direction right after the play.

      • Chris

        Espinal is HORRIBLE. This kid should not be on this team. There has to be someone in AAA or AA that is better than him.

    • greenmtred

      I didn’t see that as lolligagging by Candelario; he looked to second for a force on the lead runner or a DP, saw he didn’t have time and went, too late, to first.

  8. Melvin

    ” He will be on the mound again…”

    I don’t see how unfortunately. Wishing him the best.

    • Old-school

      I saw it immediately and thought this is awful. For Bell to claim that is so disingenuous . I get you want to reach out and support him and his family, but to blatantly just try to manage a narrative when you dont know anything is one of the worst things Bell has ever said publicly. He doesnt know anything . It was a tough moment for Tejay and raised some serious genuine questions about his pitching future. Bell clearly needs some lessons in authenticity. He has been coached by the same people that coach Phil Castellini to manage and manipulate public opinion regardless of the facts on the ground.

      • greenmtred

        Or it might have been Bell simply saying something heartfelt–authentic–perhaps ill-advisedly.

      • Chris

        Thanks Green, you hit it on the nose. Talk about over reacting on the posts above yours. Geez!

      • 2020ball

        Y’all should stop reading or listening to Bell’s interviews, especially if youre just gonna overreact to everything he says. I truly dont understand the appeal to it but to each his or her own i guess.

  9. JayTheRed

    Antone is done if he requires another surgery. It’s really too bad too.
    Too much rushing players back from injury.
    Too much being put on pitching 100 mph.
    Too much being put on spin rates.

    injuries have always happened in baseball just like any other sport, but it sure seems like there is a much high percentage than their used to be back in the 80’s and 90’s

    • Melvin

      “Too much being put on spin rates”

      This is the biggest issue with pitching injuries these days in my view.

    • Jason Franklin

      The other problem beyone spin rate/velocity is the quickening of the pitch clock.

      • Nick in NKY

        Ehh. Not saying the pitch clock reasoning is impossible, but I don’t really buy it.

        The pitch clock might just as well be called the hitter’s clock, and I think it’s universally good policy as I was tired of watching hitters step out and spend 30 seconds re-strapping their gloves every pitch.

        More to the point, though, plenty of pitchers in times past have worked just as quickly. It is the emphasis on generating spin and throwing high heat that makes the current pace more strenuous. From a physical training perspective, I don’t buy the pace being more dangerous than the volume or the singular over-effort. My .02

      • RedsMonk65

        Yes, I wonder about all of this…..

      • Jimbo44CN

        Did you ever watch a Mark Buerhle game? He was one of the fastest workers if not the fastest and had a long and some say HOF career, with zero arm troubles. And he never had a fast ball over 90 mph. It’s not the pace, it’s the incredible velocity and spin they try to get out of every pitcher.

      • Jason Franklin

        This is an interesting bit of news from Gerrit Cole about the pitch clock. It may be a problem for a lot of pitchers who are not not “fast” to pithttps://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/39902843/yankees-gerrit-cole-disheartened-pitching-injury-discoursech.

  10. Jim Walker

    I missed much of the game prestaging for tomorrow’s big event. Got all the turn alternatives and lane switching committed to memory for possible routes to our viewing site. Now If we could just reserve a parking space 😉

    I got the game stream going just in time to catch the unfortunate Antone incident, I found myself wondering given how it went down, if maybe he felt the twinge when warming up and decided he was going to exit on his terms after one last (well deserved) bow.

    Other than that, the last 4 innings seemed like much ado but nothing on both sides.

    The Reds finally got their LH hitting platoon bats to the plate in the 8th and 9; and, all 3 struck out. Maybe this should remind us that coming off the bench late is tough duty; and, we should cut a little more slack for RH hitters who scuffle at it too.

    Beyond this, maybe we should wonder about the strategy of using multiple guys (from both sides) with such extreme handedness skews and look for guys who are going to give a team the 110-120 OPS+ overall for the season these guys do without all the platoon stuff?

    • Old-school

      I know a guy in LF and a guy in Cf who will be back in 2 months . Both can play every day.

      • JB

        Exactly. Steer and Friedl shouldn’t sit.

    • MBS

      “Beyond this, maybe we should wonder about the strategy of using multiple guys (from both sides) with such extreme handedness skews”

      The offensive signings / trades this year were:

      Candelario .793OPS vs LHP / .812OPS vs RHP in 2023
      Espinal .657OPS vs LHP / .633OPS vs RHP in 2023

      2 of the next guys likely to make it to the bigs also have fairly even splits.

      Dunn 1.027OPS vs LHP / .826OPS vs RHP in 2023
      Hinds .876OPS vs LHP / .863OPS vs RHP in 2023

      I’d guess this is Fraley’s last year as a Red. I could be wrong but I think he’ll be the India of next offseason. This time however I think a deal will happen with Fraley. That would leave Benson, and EDLC as the 2 big splits guys. Both have shown the ability to hit LHP in the minors, but haven’t yet been able to do so in the pros.

    • Daytonnati

      You mean like the way the game was managed for the first 125 years? 🙂

      I’m with you, Jim.

    • 2020ball

      Where do these 120+ OPS guys grow on trees, we should just get them there.

      Seriously all you who fight the platoon thing think teams can just magically pull a guy who can hit well from both sides out of a hat AND you assume they want to play here. Sure sounds nice but talk about assuming something is easy just by saying it. In reality other teams are signing those guys to contracts the Reds cant afford.

      • Mauired

        Or Bell could show a little patience with the everyday guys on the team. Benson got on base 7 out of 8 games. He benched him to get Bubba in the game to face the lefty on the same day he sent Fraley and Stephenson to bench.

        Was it worth it? No offense to Bubba but I think Benson could have outdone the bloop single and bases loaded double play.

        It was obvious the lineup Bell put out was going to do nothing.

  11. David

    All in all, a very lackluster day for the Reds. While I am sure some guys played well, and I don’t think Abbott pitched poorly, they lost because they had 3 hits.
    They couldn’t be Sean Manea, who is about a league – average left hander.

    4 games coming up against the Brewers. Not a good way to go into that series.
    The Brewers open with… a left hander, Aaron Ashby. Young guy with limited ML experience. Will probably shut down the Reds again.

  12. Rednat

    I agree with a lot of the discussions about spin rates and velocity. I personally think pitching is emphasized WAY..WAY too much in the game today. The pitchers are the divas of the game today and I don’t think that is a good.
    You look at the all time great pitchers like Cy Young, ChristyMatthewson,Grover Alexander. They all threw a ton of innings and didn’t walk or strike out a lot of players
    Almost like they were “game managers” keeping the ball in play and keeping the action going.

    I personally would like the league to step in
    Ban all the hard sliders, cutters. Maybe move the mound back a little. You would probably have to move the walls way back but I think they should do thaT anyway.
    This would cut down on injuries, make speed and defense more prominent in the game and help the smaller market teams as well

  13. Mark Moore

    Just three words from me …

    Stink. Fish. Pot!!!

      • Melvin

        Frank Burns – “I’m a good doctor. just ask any of my patients”.

        Hawkeye – “We can’t dig people up just for that”.

        😀

      • RedsMonk65

        From yet another episode (sorry, my all-time favorite TV show):

        Frank: “For your information, I’ve never had any complaints.”

        Hawkeye: “Dead men tell no tales.”

  14. RedlegScott

    To Klinger: “Another week and I would have had you out of that dress.” We all need leadership like that.

      • RedlegScott

        Klinger’s response: “Not a chance, sir. I’m not that easy.”

      • RedlegScott

        After yesterday, this room could use all the levity it can get. lol

  15. RedsMonk65

    A little concerned about the Pirates. Did you see their improbable win today over the Orioles? Sure, they have a recent history of starting strong and then fading, But they are a young, talented team. Extremely tight division, and I expect it to be so to the end. Do not dismiss the PIE-RATS. Reds need to get on the ball. They can take this division! If….

    • Melvin

      Chapman has appeared in 5 games and pitched 3.2 innings so far with 0 R, 6 Ks, 1 BB, 1 SV.

      • Brian Rutherford

        No amount of good pitching will make me want a guy who chokes his GF on the team. Nothing against you Melvin, I like your posts.

        Big no for me on Chapman.

      • RedlegScott

        I agree with Brian on this one. No dice on an abuser. I don’t want Marte around either. Zero tolerance policy for cheating here.

      • JayTheRed

        I sure wanted Chapman. Guy is a good pitcher still. Also, those who didn’t know this there was not evidence enough for a conviction.

        I could have been kind of like Amber Heard and Johnny Depp situation.

  16. GreatRedLegsFan

    It’ll continue to be hard to win close games against tough pitchers with the current lineup, only a few players represent some thread (Steer, Benson, India), loosing Friedl, McClain and Marte it’s taking the toll on the team. Candelario is way below expectations and CES and EDLC are both facing sophomore struggles.

  17. Doc4uk

    Absence of McClain, Marte, Arroyo, and Friedl really becoming apparent. Too much to lose at one time. Arroyo would have been a better option than EDLC at SS and Marte certainly trumps Candy. McClain if well will replace India ie better fielder and hitter. So 2025 will hopefully be our year to get back into the playoffs. I am not seeing a lot of difference in Benson , Fraley, EDLC, India, Stephenson, or CES. Only Steer looks to have improved.

    • Jimbo44CN

      Cmon, without India this team would not even have the wins they do have. EDLC ‘s pitch and plate discipline has improved, but obviously not there yet. But hes such a threat when he gets on base that again, without him I doubt we have a 500 record. CES will break out, and Benson will get steadier. They are all VERY young.

      • greenmtred

        They are young and there are still 153 games to be played.

      • Mauired

        India has gotten on base at a healthy clip but nothing else. His legs are done. No power, speed, or defense.

    • Rob

      If 2024 wasn’t to be our year, we sure in the heck spent a lot of money (adding 3 seasoned pitchers and a cleanup hitter) for nothing.. Those are 4 spots that could have been reserved for young guys! No doubt the injuries have been a setback but I can’t imagine the Reds taking the foot off the gas unless there is a total collapse in May and June. Last year showed that borderline wildcard teams could get to the World Series. It also showed that deadline buyers could overcome big deficits. Imo, it is much more likely for the Reds to add mlb talent (1-2 year guys) along the way than to watch this higher priced ship sink. Neither do we need to trade away mlb talent (Montas, Candelario, etc.) to acquire prospects. We are overloaded with prospects – albeit handicapped for a few months.

  18. Indy Red Man

    First they have play Stephenson more. He went from 75% playing time batting cleanup to 50% batting 9th

    • Mauired

      If fully healthy, start him 4/5 instead of 3/5. Maile plays too much for a .100 hitter.

      People exaggerate his defense. Has he thrown out 1 runner yet?

  19. LeRoy

    Pitching injuries and pulled muscles are very prevalent in todays game. I remember years ago that the main training was built around not building up muscle bound players but training to get the players muscles more flexible. The pitchers could pitch over 200 innings a year and muscles strains seemed far less often and seemed to heal more quickly. They used to say many pitchers had rubber arms–what they were really meaning was that they could keep throwing a lot without hurting themselves.

    • Justin T

      Players weren’t so muscular back in the day too. Fat doesn’t pull.

  20. LDS

    Haven’t seen any news of Antone, but I’m guessing it won’t be good.

  21. Justin T

    Hate to hear Moll is struggling as the pitcher we traded for him throws 5 shutout innings yesterday for the A’s.

  22. BK

    Antone to the IL, Spiers was recalled to take his roster spot.

    • JayTheRed

      At least they didn’t wait a week before calling someone up like normal.

    • MBS

      Nice, now will Spiers start? We are in the middle of a 13 game run without an off day. I think Lodolo was expected to be the 6th man during this run, but he may be a no go with his last outing.

    • LDS

      Surgery again on Friday. I’m guessing this may be career ending. And as several noted last night , the Reds would be better served if Bell just kept his mouth shut.

      • BK

        Or if the listeners didn’t read so much into what Bell said.

      • LDS

        @BK, or they are simply listening to what he said . Bell is simply not effective in front of the media.

      • 2020ball

        Some commentors care more about the managers interviews than the actual games apparently.

    • Jason T.

      So we call up a guy that has an ERA of 7 in AAA?

  23. gusnwally

    In the earlier comparison of EDLC to India. It was conveniently left out that India has a 400 OBP and Elly has a 320. And that in the exact same AB’s Elly has K’d 17 times to India’s 5.