Nate was joined by the hosts of Late Night Reds – Tim Daniel and Ben Brown – to discuss the Reds winning their first two season series! The fellas went deep on the highs and lows thus far, what we can expect for the future, and what may or may not be the real deal.

They had high praise for Spencer Steer, Frankie Money Montas, and Will Benson. Even more importantly, they ask you to pump the breaks on all the Hunter Greene and Elly De La Cruz slander.

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14 Responses

  1. MK

    At what point does Hunter Greene break the threshold of young guy to Veteran’s status? He has two full years in the Big Leagues, a Cup of Coffee in a third and is now involved in his fourth. There are a lot of players with less service time who are older who are considered veterans. So he continues, for some reason to get a pass? He has a multi-year contract and if experienced and talented enough for that it’s time he stops getting young guys treatment.

    • Dennis Westrick

      I agree! Greene is NOT a rookie! I would be happy if he would 1) reduce the number of walks, 2) stop nibbling when he has an 0-2 or 1-2 count on the batter (ultimately leads to unnecessary walks or worse) and 3) consistently pitch into the 6th inning or beyond!

    • greenmtred

      Some pitchers take more time to approach their potential than others. The great Sandy Koufax didn’t really break through until he’d been in MLB for five seasons or so. Nolan Ryan has also been cited as a pitcher who took awhile to excel. To your point, Greene is not rookie, but he’s also had TJ surgery which, as I understand it, requires considerable time to come back from. And what young guy treatment is he really getting?

    • Mauired

      What cup of coffee in third season? 4th season? You just turned two years into four somehow with dark magic. Made his debut in 2022. In his second start he set an MLB record for most 100 mph pitches in a game. He’s 24 years old when majority of MLB players are rookies. He has a 3.86 era in his one start this year. Coming off an uneven injury plagued sophomore season just like Lodolo and Ashcraft who don’t get half of the complaints Greene gets. Yeah he’s got to improve but what 24 year pitcher doesn’t?

      • Mauired

        Another thing people making a big deal about his contract. He’s making utility player money this year. 3 million.

      • Mauired

        In fact he’s making the same money the backup catcher Maile makes this year. I would say that’s quite a deal for a young front end starting pitcher with upside.

      • MK

        Misread the stats page. Page I looked at had 2024 at beginning and end of his stats. So I counted it twice.

      • DaveCT

        MK, I think one of your points still stands, that it is appropriate to have raised expectations of Hunter. I am sure he has them himself.

        My take on Chad Dotson’s ‘slander’ remark is not related to criticisms that are objective, as opposed to the more personalized and, at times, offensive comments. That’s certainly where I object anyway, and have, going back to Robert Stephenson.

        I’ve harped on this enough elsewhere and am now just going to sit back and try to watch five baseball games at the same time.

    • Rob

      The math in the years service is off but your point is fair. Greene whether he likes it or is a high No. 1 draft choice with a lot of flash and buzz and a rather fresh $59M contract. Obviously all based on the Reds assessment of his potential. No doubt as fans, somewhat based on the buzz, we have been greatly let down. What does he have like 12 wins in 45-50 starts and a ERA pushing 5. I said months ago that I was hoping the 3rd year Greene would approach our other recent young pitchers from the system. (Bailey and Mahle, and to some degree Leake). My memory is a little sketchy here but I think we are talking on the order of 12 wins and 160+ innings. Is that a fair bar for 2024? You don’t get there leaving after the 4th inning every other start. Your point is right on. Somewhere along the line, we need to see something other than hype. Similar for Lodolo but he gets an injury pass for one year. His biggest objective in 2024 imo is to make 25+ starts.

      • Mauired

        Rob what are the expectations of a 3 million dollar pitcher?

      • greenmtred

        If fans have been let down, it is because they have an unrealistic view of how long it can take to become a good MLB pitcher.

  2. Redhaze

    Someone mentioned that Pat Zachary passed away yesterday. Anyone else confirm?

  3. Grand Salami

    The night this posts EDLC has the error to allow the go head run and the awful K in a ‘clutch’ moment.

    Growing pains hurt a lot!!!