The game was close until the bottom of the 7th inning. That’s when the last of the three home runs hit by Bryce Harper on the day put the game away as the Philadelphia Phillies grabbed a 7-run lead. They would hold on from there to pick up the win and tie the series up with the Cincinnati Reds.

Final R H E
Cincinnati Reds (3-2) 4 8 4
Philadelphia Phillies (2-3)
9 8 2
W: Turnbull (1-0) L: Ashcraft (0-1) SV: Pinto (1)
Statcast | Box Score | Game Thread

The Phillies struck first as Bryce Harper went deep in the bottom of the 1st for his first home run of the year. Two innings later the Reds caught a break when Tyler Stephenson was able to reach base when Trea Turner fielded a grounder and then threw the ball to Scranton, allowing him to reach safely and move up to second base. Two batters later saw Will Benson hit a laser into right field for an RBI double to tie the game up.

Bryce Harper is that guy and he showed it again when he led off the bottom of the 4th inning with his second homer of the game to give Philadelphia the lead. Two innings later the Phillies added to their lead as the Reds couldn’t get out of their own way. Trea Turner led off the 6th inning with a single, but he moved up a base on a wild pitch and then scored when Elly De La Cruz made a wide throw that pulled Christian Encarnacion-Strand off of the bag on what would have ended the inning but instead allowed Turner to score and extend the inning.

Brent Suter took over for Graham Ashcraft in the 7th inning and things didn’t go smoothly. He allowed a leadoff single, and then on a grounder to shortstop, Elly De La Cruz tried to flip the ball to Jonathan India at second base with his glove and pulled India off of the bag and everyone was safe. Kyle Schwarber would drive in a run on a single to make it 4-1. Suter then walked Trea Turner to load the bases. That brought Bryce Harper to the plate and he unloaded on an 89 MPH fastball and hit it 422 feet for a grand slam and his third homer of the game, making it 8-1.

Cincinnati would get a run in the 8th when Tyler Stephenson doubled and scored on a throwing error. Philadelphia got that run back immediately as Bandon Marsh led off the bottom of the frame with a solo homer. The Reds wouldn’t go quietly in the 9th as Jake Fraley led off with a single and then moved up to third when Elly De La Cruz doubled to the wall in left field. Spencer Steer then hit a chopper that the pitcher couldn’t quite come up with to drive in a to make it 9-3. Nick Martini then lined the ball out to center for a sacrifice fly that cut the lead down to 9-4. That was all they’d get as the Phillies held on for the win and evened up the series at one game each.

Key Moment of the Game

Bryce Harper’s grand slam. It left no doubt that the game was over.

Notes Worth Noting

The game scheduled for Wednesday has been changed from a 1:05pm ET start time to a 4:05pm ET start time due to expected rain.

Bryce Harper didn’t have a hit entering the game.

Spencer Steer was the only Red to reach base more than once. He went 3-4 and is hitting .474.

Up Next for the Cincinnati Reds

Cincinnati Reds vs Philadelphia Phillies

Wednesday April 3rd, 4:05pm ET

Frankie Montas (1-0, 0.00 ERA) vs Zack Wheeler (0-0, 0.00 ERA)

122 Responses

  1. Melvin

    “Two batters later saw Will Benson hit a laser into right field for an RBI double to tie the game up.”

    Benson is enjoying playing every day. It probably will make him an even better all around player.

    • RedsMonk65

      Yes, definitely. I think he’s legit.

  2. RedsMonk65

    The errors/poor fielding by the Reds — especially by Elly — were nearly as big a factor in this loss as Harper’s home runs. Disappointing. Defensive miscues have been too plentiful in this young season so far.

    • RedsMonk65

      On the flip side — Steer continues to impress.

      • RedsMonk65

        Yeah, it’s time to move him up in the order. For sure.

      • Melvin

        The lineup has pretty good players up and down but Steer was last year and so far this year the team MVP in hitting at least. If it were me I’d move him to hitting 3rd and CES 4th. Nobody asked me though. I can’t believe it. 😀

    • jmb

      Is EDLC going to work at SS? I was hopeful and confident before he was called up last season. Still hopeful, but no longer confident.

  3. RedlegScott

    It’s really going to say a lot regarding whether Bell plays or sits de la Cruz next game.

    • Ted Alfred

      100%…we’ll see what happens

    • greenmtred

      You think sitting him will help?

    • Mitch

      He isn’t. Lineup card was submitted for today’s game. Elly is there.

  4. doofus

    A solid defense will help our pitchers win more games.

  5. Brian Rutherford

    Tough fans we have. Real feel temps in the low to mid 30’s in a driving rain but no quarter for the fans on RLN. I would be willing to wager a bunch of money that Elly has never played baseball in that kind of weather in his life. Especially for that long. Anyone who has ever played spring baseball knows that the longer you are out there the harder it is to grip the baseball. Instead it’s it’s “he’s lazy” or “bench him” etc. One of the most exciting and talented young players in baseball (that all 29 other teams would kill to have) but RLN wants him sent down to AAA after playing in the worst weather we will see all year.

    Ridiculous. They lost to a game by an amazing game by a first ballot HOF player. Stuff happens. Geez.

    • LarkinPhillips

      Did you watch the game? The first two errors were not tough plays. He literally showboated both of them. That wasn’t because he was cold or playing in bad weather. The last one was a tough play. He also didn’t run out grounders today. He had a very poor effort today in the same weather as the rest of the players. Bell preaches effort constantly so has to hold players to that.

      • LarkinPhillips

        Also I don’t want him sent to AAA, just benched or addressed. It can’t become a consistent thing.

      • DaveCT

        The 2nd error (showboating) was on a glove flip, the same move that Ashcraft and CES got two outs on earlier in the game. India routinely makes that same play. It’s standard at this point in 2024.

        Was it the best judgment at that moment? Not really, but the decision was made it fractions of a second, and it’s certainly excusable given our 22 year old shortstop.

        As for the weather, none other than Trea Turner airmailed one early in the game. I doubt he’s benched tomorrow.

      • greenmtred

        Have you ever had a bad day at work? Made a few mistakes? Did the boss make you stay home the next day? Sit in the corner with a dunce cap on? It might work, I suppose, but the lack of hustle from Elly in this game looks like an outlier to me, not his SOP. I’m sure he knows that he screwed up and I’m sure he’s been spoken to. If this one game is the new Elly, there’s an obvious problem, but everybody has a bad day now and then.

    • RedsMonk65

      I don’t see anyone here (yet!) calling for Elly to be benched or sent to AAA. Simply lamenting the errors, which extended innings and ultimately proved damaging. And at least one of them was seemingly made as a “style point” rather than simply trying to get someone out. That is inexcusable, no matter how talented a young player is. Defense — whether by Elly or a few outfielders — has been awfully poor in spots through five games. Not doing the pitchers any favors.

      • DaveCT

        There were comments on the game thread asserting that EDLC, CES and Diaz be sent down.

      • 2020ball

        typical knee-jerk reaction from RLN. 5 games tells us literally nothing, glad the org isnt giving up on them unlike many around here over a mere handful of struggles.

      • greenmtred

        Dave, that might have been me in an earlier thread. I didn’t use the sarcasm font but should have. It’s much too early in the season to send any key players down or to decide that the sky is falling.

      • RedsMonk65

        Regardless of what others may or may not have said, I am not advocating for benchings or demotions (nor for the donning of dunce caps!). Besides, if we demote everybody, who takes their places? Rather, my point is that our defense has been suspect through five games. No, the sky is not falling, and no knee-jerk reactions from me. Simply a factual observation, and I hope it gets corrected soon.

    • Justin T

      This sounds sort of like David Bell’s statements after the game. Elly has concentration issues which affect him more than anything. He needs a manager that will hold him accountable, and not one who wont even make eye contact with him when he makes an error. He is young and raw, he has a way to go but needs someone to show him. Just my opinion.

      • 2020ball

        Staring at him is showing him what exactly?

      • greenmtred

        Justin, I certainly agree that Elly has things to learn, but we have no idea about accountability: there are different ways to hold people accountable and, in my opinion at least, doing it in public is counter-productive. People often don’t take a constructive message from humiliation.

      • Justin T

        @ greenmtred

        I realize that but he is a major league baseball player who made 3 errors tonight and his manager after the game says he is still learning the position. How do I know there is a lack of accountability? I see the same player continue to do the same thing, so its either that or a lack of follow through. He ran the Reds out of a few innings last year and when he would do it again the next game it kind of gives a hint doesnt it?

        We are talking about a big league shortstop that David Bell says is still learning the “nuances” of the position. There are commenters here who ask “what will he learn in the minors at this point?” Maybe the nuances of his position? Ill say it like many others have, he is an outfielder. You can call me dumb or whatever you wanna call me but the kid will end up being an outfielder whether you like it or not. It will help him tremendously. You could see his face after the errors, eventually it will affect his bat.

      • greenmtred

        You have a point about EDLC learning his position in AAA, Justin. I imagine the Reds are reluctant to do that mainly because they think he won’t progress as a hitter there; It’s MLB breaking stuff and MLB command that he’s struggling with and he’s already shown he can hit at AAA. As for the fielding: it’s a concern, certainly, but I recall people posting about the struggles of other young shortstops who became excellent. Who knows? Maybe Melvin will eventually get his wish and Elly will move to center. In the meantime, though, the other guys who could feasibly cover shortstop for an extended period of time are injured.

      • DaveCT

        The problem with RLN’s demands for accountability is no one can ever suggest a way to hold the someone accountable other than firing them, benching them, sending them down and, now, glaring at them in public. As Greenmtnred says, there are many, many ways to achieve accountability, up to and including firing, benching, demotions, etc. It is called progressive discipline and it is a best practice here in 2024. The most likely place to start would be counseling by the manager. It is the manager’s job though he may be assisted by others, including veterans like Candelario. The least productive and most inappropriate form is public shaming, humiliating or otherwise rubbing the dog’s nose in the dookie on the floor. Further, to those who assume no discipline has been undertaken, I’d say prove it. Last, Elly has exactly 74 games at short in the ML’s, he is still an adolescent, and he’s considered to have an extremely high aptitude (that different from ‘attitude’). Talk to me in a year.

      • DaveCT

        I will add one thing: Supervision sucks. It’s not easy and the one, primary skill is honesty.

        I don’t care one bit about opinions here. It’s fun getting into the weeds and besides, about opinions, we all have one, right?

        The assumptions are a different beast, however.

    • DW

      I am fine with the errors, as long as they were not due to showboating or lack of effort. Real bad days will occasionally happen with guys that young. It’s part of the growing pains and 162 game schedule. And, as mentioned above, those have got to be the worst conditions Elly has played in, especially coming from the Dominican Republic.

      However, I am not pleased with the lack of effort on running out ground balls. And if the errors were due to showboating or lack of effort, then some correction needs to take place; from either the manager or players. A standard must be set through accountability.

    • doofus

      The Phillies had to play in the same weather.

      Why does Elly deserve excuses for his bad play?

      Brogdon pitched poorly against the Reds two nights ago. He was not afforded excuses. He was sent down.

      Elly needs to put his big boy pants on and decide if he wants to be true star. He wears enough glitter. Now he needs to prove if he really wants to shine.

      • greenmtred

        On the other hand, the two Phillies who made (maybe wrong verb) the TOOTBLANS weren’t sent down or, as far as I know, chastised in public. I’m not making excuses for EDLC not running out grounders, but I’ll also say that I’ve only observed it in this one game. He’s young and he has stuff to learn still–there’s an excuse, but it’s still the truth.

      • Grand Salami

        Brogdon pitched poorly to open the season, not just one outing against the Reds.

      • doofus

        Green Mountain, how do you know the Phillies that screwed up were not chastised? I live outside Philly. The sports media market around here is not as soft on their players as the Cincy market.

      • doofus

        I like Elly de la Cruz. I think he can be a great ball player. Bottom-line Elly seems slow to mature. That is my opinion. If some of you do not like it I don’t care. Go ahead and make my day trying to convince me that y’all know better. I find it entertaining.

      • greenmtred

        I did say “as far as I know.” I thought the proposal was that EDLC be chastised by the Reds, and there is an assumption that he hasn’t been because we didn’t see it. The same could be true with the Phillies and the TOOTBLANS, but if we’re talking about criticism in the press, well, the press does what it will, and if the press in Cincy is restrained, we make up for it, don’t we?

      • DaveCT

        It’s ironic that the two players, one Red and one Philly, who are being heaped on for underperforming in the cold, rainy, weather have negative ratings in the area of body fat.

      • DaveCT

        Doofus, it’s not a matter of ‘not liking’ your opinions, it’s things you allude to by stating, “He wears enough glitter,” even though you attach that to a nice idea, that he has to decide if he wants to shine, a point I truly appreciate, actually.

        For certain people, though, from certain backgrounds, that’s a big and negative hook. And, by hook, I mean, judgmental thing to say, which is part of my pushback here.

        There other part is related to your question of why Elly deserves excuses and your opinion he seems slow to mature.

        First, to define excuses, why isn’t the weather a factor in someone’s performance? Turner threw one fifteen feet over the 1B’s head. I’m sure he said, my bad. But why isn’t Elly given the same latitude (presumption he apologized to his teammates)?

        Second, an enormous part of holding anyone accountable is separating the legit factors in performance as opposed to excuses. For example, yes, the weather was a huge factor. Yes, Elly’s inexperience (74 games total at short in the ML’s) is a factor. Yes his age is a factor. Yes the speed of the game in the show is a factor.

        Being unprepared is not necessarily a factor, and the reasons a guy is unprepared may include excuses, such as “we just got back from AZ and I didn’t think Philly would be cold in April.” And how in the world are any of us privy to that information? Hence the dangers of assuming Elly is having excuses made for him.

        As for being slow to mature, I think almost every single thing reported about Elly’s aptitude for learning states the exact opposite. And this is not the Jim Day/John Sadak spin. They are simply repeating what they’ve read. It’s been the opinion of Elly since the day he started full season ball, as reported in scouting reports everywhere.

    • Randoxu1

      It has nothing to do with the weather or any other reason except that he is lackadaisical and terrible fundamentals. He was never a good shortstop last year. McClain is the best shortstop they have followed by arroyo,it’s a shame they are both hurt. He needs to be held accountable and he never is and that is the problem. If it was a different manager he would be sit down, but we all know that won’t happen.

    • jmb

      Elly should not be trying to be Brandon Phillips.

  6. LT

    5 games into the season, bright spots are SP and Steer. Offense struggled as expected. Bullpen shaky. EDLC has not turned the corner, not even close.

  7. Redsvol

    Harper is the best position player in the game. I said it during the playoffs and continue to believe it. Just an awesome competitor. If they don’t win a world series in the next 2 years they are going to kick themselves for wasting his best years.

    We are going to struggle defensively until some of the injured guys come back. It forces the pitchers to work harder. Good game by Ashcraft. No stolen bases against JT Realmuto – best catcher in the game.

    • DaveCT

      Tip of the hat to Mr. Harper. What else can you do?

      • Jedi Joey

        No doubt! Harper is a beast. What a game last night. I hate to see it against our Reds,but I was simply amazed.

  8. Nick in NKY

    I’d like to think this is the year that Spencer Steer, and to a lesser extent, CES, really start to get the attention of the national media. Steer looks like everything you want from a quality hitter: limited chases, doesn’t try too much and get himself out, good solid contact to all fields, etc. Maybe Elly should be watching him.

    Also loving to see Benson off to a good start. He keeps this up, his deal is going to look like an absolute heist.

    • DaveCT

      Added benefit to the acquisition of Steer and CES is that the third player in the trade was one half of the trade for Benson.

      • Mauired

        Basically Reds gave up Mahle and Justin Boyd for CES, Steer, and Benson. Mahle was already hurt and Boyd never hit. Reds got 3 potential all star hitters. Krall definitely gets a lot of credit for those two moves.

        Hector Rodriguez and Jose Acuna for Naquin looks like another winner.

  9. 2020ball

    Would like to see Steer bat higher in the order, he needs more ABs.

    Embarrassing defense from Elly all night, I dont care if it was bad weather those were clearly low effort plays on his part. Still I dont think benching him does anything. The rabble around here will obviously cry about it when he’s playing tomorrow, as he should be.

    Not always impressed by our fundamentals overall, something I’ve never liked from this coaching staff. Defense wins games, hopefully as these guys get more experience they improve on that. There aren’t very many veterans on this team, guys like Elly might be better off with a mentor type than a spanking by the manager, IMO.

    • CI3J

      I would like to see David Bell put out a consistent batting order for righties and lefties and stick with it. Bouncing players around the batting order each day doesn’t help them to get comfortable and settle into a “role”.

      Then again, I’ve been saying this about Bell since he arrived. Why would I expect it to change all these years later? He earns his “tinker” reputation.

      • wkuchad

        I hope Bell doesn’t do this. Some hitters have big splits righties vs lefties. For example, I like giving Benson a chance vs lefties, but he certainly shouldn’t be hitting 2nd, like righties. Steer crushed lefties last year. He was solid vs righties. Steer should be much higher in the lineup vs a lefty.

        I understand consistency of playing time can impact hitting, but I’m very doubtful consistency of batting order has anything to do with performance.

      • CI3J

        Yes, that’s what I said:

        I would like to see David Bell put out a consistent batting order for righties and lefties and stick with it.

        I want Bell to have a consistent lineup he uses against right-handed pitchers, and a consistent lineup he uses against left-handed pitchers, and I want him to stick with it. Stop arbitrarily moving batters around for no reason.

      • greenmtred

        You assume that it’s arbitrary, but it probably isn’t.

  10. Reddawg2012

    Can’t win ’em all, and Bryce Harper is going to dominate sometimes. It happens. But the Reds have not played well since Opening Day. So much sloppiness.

    • Jedi Joey

      Sometimes, you are going to take one on the chin. Time to regroup and move on. Go get them today, Redlegs!

  11. AMDG

    If the Reds are going to bench Elly for his poor defense

    Can we also bench Moose 2.0 (Candeliero) for his inability to hit the baseball?

    I understand with Marte & McLain out, the Reds are going to have to resort to some subpar hitters. But, I’m not sure hitting 0.234 since 2022 means he needs to be in the lineup (and in the heart of the lineup) every day.

  12. steve

    again, like I said on last nights thread, I was at the game last night, its not about the errors with Elle last night, it was the effort. In person, you can really see when someone is all in, as Fraley, who hit a one hopper to the pitcher, and almost beat it out, Elle, dogged both times he grounded out to 2nd, again, everyone makes outs, everyone makes errors, with me, just please play hard…..

    • TR

      A young guy with blazing speed like EDLC should run out an infield grounder? Definitely! Do the Reds have anybody to speak to this young player in his native language? Put the Viking helmet away.

      • VaRedsFan

        I believe I read where Candelario was able to buddy up with Elly when he arrived.
        I’m sure Elly is not satisfied with his performance last night. While he knows it, he still needs to be held accountable by the manager. I don’t know if other players (team captain) even confront teammates anymore?

        Giving full effort and hustling takes zero talent.

        I’m a huge fan of Elly….but sometimes your kids need a spanking.

      • Doc

        Maybe if you don’t hustle you should have to sit on the Viking helmet, with the horns pointing in the same direction as when you wear it on your head! Perhaps that would get a player’s attention.

  13. LDS

    I’m sure Candelario is just a show starter. But why is he batting cleanup? Swap him & Steer. As for EDLC? I stated earlier this year that he needed to get out of his own head and ignore the hype. And thus far the performance of the Reds this season demonstrates that Bell isn’t the manager the Reds need. He seems incapable of managing the young guys. And despite several years of failure, continues to cling to his L/R fetish despite the underlying metrics that challenge those trends. There’s still plenty of time to right the ship. Unfortunately, this is the same pattern we’ve seen in the past: no urgency, no accountability, no progress.

    • VaRedsFan

      “There’s still plenty of time to right the ship”

      Considering who the captain of this ship is, they are wasting opportunities of a young talented team.

    • Ted Alfred

      Definitely need to swap Steer and Candelario in the batting order. Just makes no sense…but it’s what tinkerBell does

    • DaveCT

      The young guys Bell has managed and then seen succeed include India, Friedl, Stephenson, Steer, Benson, McLain, CES, EDLC, Fairchild, Marte, as well as Diaz, Ashcraft, Abbott, Greene, Lodolo, Williamson (tho the pitchers have more mixed results). The disappointments: Senzel, Barrero, Acquino, Siri, Shogo, all pretty flawed and/or dealing with large issues. The less optimistic outlook is one thing but the facts are different.

  14. GreatRedLegsFan

    The Philadelphia Harpers are back! So far Steer, Benson, Fraley and the starting pitchers are good. Not so good so far: EDLC, JC and the bullpen.

  15. Indy Red Man

    I’m sure if Bell had 8 big money regulars then he’d play them, but this is Cincinnati we’re talking about. Everybody platoons, especially small market teams? Fixation on L/R? You mean like every manager? What I did like was the other day when Bell didn’t overreact and let Fraley and Martini bat vs a lefty around the 5th-6th because he correctly assumed they’d get a righty next time.

    Now if he doesn’t swap Candy and Steer soon then I’ll jump on the bash wagon, but he did finally move up Benson. He definitely didn’t throw too much at him last year because he started 1 for 20 or whatever. Would I like to see him discipline guys that slack off? Sure, but that’s almost a sign of a bygone era. Every pro coach/manager is basically a babysitter now

    • VaRedsFan

      Probably for the last 3 seasons you’ve started the season trying to defend Bell, then 4-6 weeks later, you’ve said you’ve had it with him, and can see what the majority of everyone else sees. Bell would have to improve a ton, just to be mediocre.

      • Indy Red Man

        Guilty as charged I guess, but I usually state that he’s average. I think many of these constant criticisms on RLN are ridiculous. He’s fascinated with L/R and he pulls starters too soon. Our starters generally sucked last year? They gave him Weaver, HG, Ashcraft who was the worst starter in the NL for 2 months, and alot of other scrubs so of course he was in his pen early and often….and of course they predictably burned out. As if he just stuck with Abbott who’s now throwing 91 and nibbling at 90+ pitches.
        Yeah it irritates me. Learn the game and quit tapping when you don’t know why you’re talking about

      • Indy Red Man

        Not referring to you personally

      • LDS

        @IRM, Bell’s use of L/R splits is routinely contrary to what the player and sometimes the pitchers L/R splits actually are. That’s not fan ignorance of baseball. That’s fan ignorance of numbers as well as Bell’s.

      • greenmtred

        LDS: Bell and his staff are basing those decisions, evidently, on charting that is specific about particular hitters and their hitting tendencies and how they match up against the tendencies of different pitchers. This was reported last season by Jim Day, as I recall, and a few games ago by John Sadak. All teams use this sort of data, and it wouldn’t necessarily lead to the same decisions as the basic splits we see.

      • LDS

        Rationalization, making excuses for Bell not related to actual game outcomes

      • greenmtred

        You have no idea whether it’s related to game outcomes, LDS. Your criticism was based upon incomplete information–the assumption that MLB teams rely on L/R splits without nuance–and when different information is presented, you don’t engage it, you just call it rationalization. It isn’t rationalization.

      • DaveCT

        LDS, your assumption that Bell is not using data well is defied by the positive performances of the many players who had successful seasons under him. Steer, Friedl, McLain, CES, Benson, Marte, Elly, Stephenson, Maile, Fraley, India (when healthy) were all successful or even thriving last season in Bell’s system. Understanding this is not rationalization. It’s reality.

  16. Indy Red Man

    What I hope is not a fatal mistake is signing Candy when Rhys Hoskins was available.
    RH makes $17 mil to Candy’s $15 mil if I’m not mistaken, but he’s a far far superior offensive player. Candy’s swing is long…idk?
    Didn’t hate the signing, but it feels like his ceiling is .810 or something that could easily be .700 or something much more mediocre.

    • VaRedsFan

      Yes…you mentioned Hoskins last year as a possible target. I definitely agree that Hoskin’s hit tool is better than Candy.

    • Jim Walker

      What we do not know is how much (if any amount) it would’ve taken to get Hoskins to sign with the Reds.

  17. Doc4uk

    Elly does need to work on all part of his game. Maybe taking the pressure off and letting him spend a month in Louisville might help. His errors last night were definitely avoidable . I did not like the Candelaria signing when it happened and he has not shown me that I was wrong. However with Marte, Arroyo, and McClain out I am not certain that we have any better options

  18. SultanofSwaff

    Phillies broadcast team was giving Steer a lot of love last night. Heckuva effort by Ashcraft in those conditions. I concur with the consensus about Elly being too casual on those plays….they were so obvious there’s no way it didn’t get addressed in the manager’s office. It also got me thinking that in a playoff game there’s no way I’d take him over McLain at SS. Alas, plenty of time (til June at least) before any nonperformance can be addressed given the absence of Marte and McLain.

    Not a fun night, but at least it wasn’t a rainout.

    • wkuchad

      lol, I would have preferred a rainout

  19. MBS

    I stopped watching after Harpers 2nd HR, but are we using Suter too much? He’s been in 4 of 6 games. It’s a bit of Monday morning quarterbacking, but Bell’s gotta be thinking the same thing today.

    The SP’s have been excellent as a whole. They are sporting a 3.00 ERA good for 7th in the MLB.

  20. Old-school

    Sweeping the Phils on the road is/was always a tall task. Harper hit 3 bombs. It wasnt the Reds day. Turn the page and get a series win today.

    Elly is raw and unpolished and needs game experience over the long haul…the good with the bad. Put him in the 8 hole and at SS every day and let him learn how to be a pro and improve and refine his game. Hes 22 and an unfinished product. See what things look like after 150 at bats.

    There was an article in the Athletic a week or so ago where it was reported Krall called the GM of the Royals this off-season to ask how they approached Bobby Witt Jr and the parallels with Elly were similar. He struggled his rookie year, played both 3b and SS. He had a breakthrough in year 2 after struggling early but playing SS exclusively and is now a star. Royals said we are giving him stability and security and confidence and playing him everyday at SS and batting same order so he can know hes coming to the ball park everyday and get a routine going.

    I suspect Reds will do the same with Elly except for the occasional day off, which might be today as the Reds play 13 games in 13 days starting Friday, including a West Coast road trip to Seattle.

    • VaRedsFan

      I read that article. It was very well-written.
      I agree with you and the article…Stick him on SS for 150 games and see how it shakes out. There are going to be ups and downs. A lot of people here can’t handle the downs.

      A month ago they had 2.5 (Arroyo as the .5) viable options to replace him. Now they have nothing left in the cubbard to play SS. So let’s ride with Elly and find some peaks from this current valley.

      • Jim Walker

        I don’t know what the Reds’ motivation was in making the Barrero waiver move early on; however, as events have demonstrated, never make an unforced roster move based on a projected situation 3 weeks hence.

        I recall the Ol’ Lefthander, Joe Nuxhall, saying time and again when it appeared a roster crunch was looming pending a player’s return from the DL/IL that folks should just relax because “things have a way of working themselves out”.

      • Melvin

        It’s really kind of humorous how we had so many SS and let Barrero go and now it would be nice to have him as a backup in the organization at least somewhere. lol I agree with you Jim.

    • Pete

      Bobby Witt is not a good fielding shortstop. Yes, he is an incredible hitter and base runner but he is another third baseman playing shortstop. Just like Elly.

  21. Still a Red

    Agree with others re: Steer batting 7th. Not sure I get that, unless it is to drive in CES and Candelario…but they gotta get on base?? Right now I’d bat him 3rd. And I’d bat Elly in the bottom 3rd.

    • Pharmer85

      Steer should bat 3rd. Move CES to 4th and everyone below him down a spot

  22. Still a Red

    I don’t think Bell looks too good health wise based on his interviews pics. Tired.

    • Jim Walker

      I typically do not watch the pregame or postgame stuff and don’t see that much of Bell. However, from what I do see of him, his appearance seems to match how most folks describe his demeanor, bland to washed out.

  23. Pete

    If anything kills this teams chances, it’s going to be defense. Defense will not win you championships but you sure can lose the opportunity for one if you don’t have it.

    As far as Ellie goes, there’s a good reason you don’t see 6‘5” shortstops. It takes too long to unwind that body to play the position. Yes the second error was very, very bad, but he’s miscast as a shortstop. He is a third baseman.

      • Pete

        If Ellie‘s arms and legs weren’t so long, he would have a much better chance at being a shortstop.

        Ripken was adequate and their always exceptions to the rule. Also I’d be curious to see how long his arms and legs were in comparison to say Elly de la Cruz, Oneil Cruz, or Bobby Witt.

      • greenmtred

        Sure, but widely respected for his solid and dependable defense.

      • Pete

        Green: even if they are at the same height, the body type is considerably different. Not saying it can’t be done, but I think the odds are long. I think what people mistake as lackadaisical can be the time it takes Ellie to get the ball and be in position to throw. The Reds are the worst team I’ve ever seen at turning a 643 or a 463 double play. Even receiving the ball at second base on a steal attempt is often not a pretty sight.

      • Melvin

        “Also I’d be curious to see how long his arms and legs were in comparison to say Elly de la Cruz, ”

        That’s a very good point. To use a basketball term I wander how long his “wing span” is. Height is not the only thing to consider. EDLC can play SS or any other position. I still maintain his body and skills are made for CF. He’d pretty much be a gold glover instantly. It’s kind of insane the way things have worked this year so that we couldn’t afford to put him there even if we wanted to. When it comes to SS he’s pretty much the last man standing.

    • MBS

      Elly is an excellent 3B, but he’s not a SS. I think he’ll improve, but he’s not a SS. Remember when the Padres thought Tatis was a SS?

      • Pete

        He has the best arm in baseball and incredible range. But he has anything but quick hands and feet. He could potentially be a gold glover at third base. I know he wants to play shortstop but the team needs to do what’s best for the Reds. Incidentally, it is also in Elly’s best interest as well.

      • MBS

        I was thinking Arroyo could be the 2025 opening day SS, and EDLC scooting over to 3B, but his injury will keep that from happening.

        India’s playing with a fire, and might regain the fulltime 2B going forward. So that could open up the option next season of McLain SS, EDLC 3B, and Candy 3B/1B/DH.

      • greenmtred

        I thought he looked really good at 3rd, too, but isn’t it odd? He’s still fielding grounders there and they usually get on him faster. Do you suppose that he’s better when he just reacts without the time think about it?

      • Pete

        Shortstop requires quickness. Third base requires a great range and a great arm. He has both those. It’s why I think the reds are so bad at double plays. I don’t think they’ve had one middle infield double play this season. The only one I can remember started at first base. Shortstop doesn’t require great speed but it definitely requires quickness

      • DaveCT

        Remember when Derek Jeter made 54 errors?

        He’s had all of 74 games playing short in the ML’s. He’ll be there all year and likely next year too. When Arroyo arrives, (2026?) we’ll see. But shifting Elly to third in deference to a gold glove caliber shortstop isn’t a negative, it’s a strength. Perhaps Marte takes India’s role as super sub then, too? Losing his job because of a PED suspension may be the type of accountability that we see demanded here

    • Mauired

      Too rangy and fast to be a 3rd baseman. Waste of skills and miscast there as well. I do agree that he might be too long for short. His errors always seem to be trying to make the transfer.

      I could see him being a gold glove cf. With his speed and athleticism he would make a ton of plays most guys can’t reach and rob a bunch of home runs.

      • MBS

        I remember EDLC ranging pretty far as a 3B, basically covering LF on one play. I do agree that he has the skill set to be an excellent CF as well. I just like how natural he looked at 3B, and his arm was deadly accurate.

        “His errors always seem to be trying to make the transfer.” I 100% agree with this, and I do think he’ll improve at it over time, but he’ll never be as good of a SS as a 3B.

      • Melvin

        I good example would be the ball Benson barely go to last night. That was a very good play. EDLC would have made it smoothly.

      • Mauired

        It really comes down to would the fastest player in MLB be better utilized in CF or 3rd? I don’t think getting the occasional pop-up in shallow left justifys him being wasted at 3rd.

      • greenmtred

        Well, he made that great over the shoulder grab just a few games ago. As to range, both positions require range, but a grounder to 3rd typically gets there faster than would the same ball hit to short. I don’t dispute that with his arm, speed and height, he could potentially be a great center fielder. But the Reds must feel that he could also be a great shortstop, and shortstops are involved in more plays than center fielders are. Shortstop is a hard position and it’s early days for Elly; too soon to judge what he could become. He’s far from the first young shortstop to struggle with the position.

      • Mauired

        Let’s imagine Griffey Jr threw right handed. Would he have been a good 3rd baseman. Probably. But the most athletic players in MLB history normally go to CF and SS because they are the most demanding and have the most ground to cover.

  24. Pete

    Today’s game has been pushed back to 4 o’clock to allow for better weather I guess.

    • Pharmer85

      Excellent point above about the inability to turn double plays. Giving teams extra outs usually doesn’t work out well. Doesn’t show up as an error but just as harmful.

  25. Old-school

    Well, regardless of everyone’s opinion re: EDLC best position, plan B/C/D and E are injured suspended injured and DFA’d

    Elly gets a long look at SS for us all to watch

  26. JohnnySofa

    I believe someone in this thread said 0 gold gloves for Ripken. He won two. He also played a 162-game season with only 3 errors — the same number EDLC made last night.
    Regarding Steer: It’s too logical to bat him 3rd. Whenever Bell is given a shiny new toy (Candy, Espinal), he thinks it’s a necessity to give them as many ABs as possible.