Chad and Tim discuss a very strange week that was for the Cincinnati Reds. The Reds make a significant splash in the free agent market, but where does Jeimer Candelario fit on this club? This means that something else is coming, right?

The Reds’ off-season just got much, much more interesting.

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6 Responses

  1. Colorado Red

    A couple of points, on the proposed trade.
    When negotiating, you always start with the moon, and go down.
    I would not include Lowder, I would add more value to the trade to make it work.
    Maybe an India.
    Cease is NOT Castillo, he is a marginal 2 or good 3 at best. His career ERA is over 4. His is not an ACE. He is healthy, and starts 30 games most every year. He would be a good addition, but do not give up the farm for him (A fair chunk of it, yes).
    Missing out of E-Rod frustrates me the most. He is only 30, a good 2, and was cheap. I wonder if the Bally BK, is affecting the Reds

  2. earmbrister

    Yeah, I might be considered a prospect hoarder but face it: the Reds have some really top notch prospects.

    Instead of giving up the farm (sorry) the Reds should sign one of the many very good free agent pitchers left. A pitcher like Lugo (#19 FA per MLBTR), Wacha (#24), or Stroman (#18) would greatly solidify the rotation at a reasonable cost and year commitment. Stroman in particular is a quality pitcher with a bit of a diminished market (due to a rib cartilidge injury last year). He is projected to get a 2 yr $44MM contract which is affordable and for a favorable contract length commitment. He is great at keeping the ball in the ballpark, while also having a very low BB%.

    The glut of infielders can be relieved by moving a second IFr to the OF or by trading one for additional pitching. My preference would be to move India for a quality reliever (with a possible prospect also being moved, if needed).

    • Rob

      If we are really going in for 2024, as it seems, I have no issue with trading one of our young pitchers as part of a deal to acquire a#2 starter. I think Innings is going to raise its ugly head again down the stretch. I don’t know if we have anybody on this staff capable of 160-170 innings and I don’t know that we have many capable of 130-140. I would say wait until the deadline (and pay more) but I have zero confidence in this GM to pull the trigger at crunch time. He continued to roll Weaver and Kennedy out there every fifth day while sitting in first place and not making an effort to grab us an extra 4-5 wins down the stretch. Look at where the Rangers ended up with Max and Montgomery. Yeah, we would be down 2 top 10 prospects but is the Rangers future so bleak minus 2 prospects? You can’t get to the World Series without getting to the playoffs and you can get there winning 110 games or 85 games. Check Dbacks. So yeah, I am OK rolling with what we have as far as starting pitching but I am almost certain it not enough to get us through August and September. So if Krall changes his tune and is willing to make steep trades in July, then OK. Just not the way I would do it. I would get the (healthy) 2-3 year guy now. But I don’t think I can take another July of whining that prices are too high, when they are not too high for every other teams.

      • earmbrister

        Krall rolled at the deadline with what they had because the prices for starting pitching were ridiculous. And many of the deadline traded starters around the league failed miserably with their new teams.

        He presumably also stood pat because his rotation was in tatters due to injury and he knew that the chances of the Reds winning any games in the playoffs were next to nil. The Reds opening day starter, Hunter Greene, missed two months on the IL and came back in late August. Nick Lodolo, the Reds day 2 starter, missed FIVE months on the IL and never came back. His replacement in the rotation, Ben Lively, had two stints on the IL. The day 3 starter, Ashcraft, missed the final month of the season, and they figured out he was tipping his pitches for a couple of months midseason. Andrew Abbott was on fumes at season’s end, and his ERA rose steadily thru August and September.

        Due to the starters’ extensive injuries, inexperience, and midseason callups, the bullpen was severely overworked. Two relievers pitched 75 innings. Three others had 61-67 IP. Two more had 53-55 IP.

        Lastly, the lineup started faltering and struggled to produce runs.

        Come the deadline, the Reds would’ve needed three middle to TOR starters, plus a couple of relievers, plus a couple of middle of the order bats in order to make any noise in the playoffs. 2023 gave the youngsters much needed exposure and experience. This coming year is when the Reds should start plugging holes in the roster and pushing the team into the playoffs. The roster is super young, but quite talented. The future is now, not last year when they were running out of gas.