Last night saw the Cleveland Guardians shut the Reds out 3-0 to open their 2-game series at Great American Ball Park. Cincinnati will look to split the short series with a victory behind Andrew Abbott. Tonight’s first pitch is set for 6:40pm ET.

Starting Lineups

Cleveland Guardians

Cincinnati Reds

Steven Kwan – LF TJ Friedl – CF
Jose Ramirez – 3B Matt McLain – 2B
Ramon Laureano – RF Elly De La Cruz – SS
Oscar Gonzalez – DH Spencer Steer – 3B
Brayan Rocchio – SS Joey Votto – 1B
Tyler Freeman – 2B Christian Encarnacion-Strand – DH
Gabriel Arias – 1B Stuart Fairchild – LF
Myles Straw – CF Will Benson – RF
Cam Gallagher – C Luke Maile – C
Noah Syndergaard – RHP Andrew Abbott – LHP

Starting Pitchers

Andrew Abbott 76.1 2.95 1.11 27 83
Noah Syndergaard 72.1 6.35 1.40 13 46
Links: Andrew Abbott’s Stats | Noah Syndergaard’s Stats

Andrew Abbott

After struggling in back-to-back starts, Abbott returned to the mound in his last start and pitched well against the Pirates as he struck out nine batters without a walk and allowed two runs in 5.2 innings.

When it comes to splits it’s very clear that teams avoid sending anyone but elite left-handed hitters up to face Abbott unless there simply isn’t another choice. The lefties who do get the opportunity to face him haven’t been able to do much. They have one double, one home run, and one walk in 55 triples to the plate against him to go along with their seven singles. Right-handed hitters are doing much better, but they still aren’t doing all that well. They don’t hit for average or get on base, but right-handed hitters are hitting for solid power against him when they do happen to find hits.


RHH 252 49 14 1 9 26 63 .221 .298 .414
LHH 55 9 1 0 1 1 20 .167 .182 .241

Pitch Usage

4-Seam Curve Slider Change
Velo 92.6 80.9 82.9 86.5
Usage 49% 17% 17% 16%

Noah Syndergaard

The Reds hammered Syndergaard on June 6th for six runs in 3.0 innings when he was with the Dodgers. He wound up on the injured list for nearly two months after that and has only made three starts since – all with Cleveland. Two of those have gone well, while the middle one did not as the White Sox roughed him up for five runs in 6.0 innings on nine hits – including four home runs.

Both lefties and righties have found plenty of success against Syndergaard this season. Both make tons of contact, hit for a high average, and hit for plenty of power against him. Where Syndergaard does stand out is that he throws a lot of strikes and doesn’t walk anyone – but that hasn’t really done much for him this season.

RHH 159 44 8 1 7 5 24 .303 .359 .517
LHH 159 44 7 2 9 8 22 .299 .333 .558

Pitch Usage

4-seam 2-seam Cutter Curve Slider Change
Velo 92.6 92.5 89.8 78.1 85.4 87.6
Usage 15% 28% 16% 14% 4% 23%

When and Where

  • Game time: 6:40pm ET
  • Where: Great American Ball Park
  • Watch: Bally Sports Ohio,
  • Listen: 700 WLW AM (Cincinnati area)
  • Forecast: 78°, cloudy, 0% chance of rain

News and Notes

Luke Weaver DFA’d, Alan Busenitz called up

The Cincinnati Reds designated Luke Weaver for assignment this afternoon and called up Alan Busenitz from Triple-A Louisville. If you want more details, we got a little more in depth here.

Greene and Lodolo dominate on rehab

Last night Hunter Greene and Nick Lodolo were both on the mound in the minor leagues while on rehab assignments. Greene was with Triple-A Louisville and Lodolo was with Double-A Chattanooga. Between the two of them they racked up 15 strikeouts and allowed one hit in 8.2 innings. For more details and video from both starts, we’ve got you covered right here.

Cleveland’s struggles against lefties…..


Team W L GB Playoff Odds
Brewers 65 55 0.0 83.4%
Reds 62 59 3.5 19.9%
Cubs 61 58 3.5 49.6%
Pirates 54 66 11.0 0.1%
Cardinals 54 66 11.0 0.7%
Playoff Odds via Fangraphs

267 Responses

  1. Moon

    Is it just me or does It just seem inconsistent pitchers seem to have their best game of the year against the Reds.

    • Chris

      That tends to happen to strikeout prone offenses, which the Reds have become.

    • Dennis Westrick

      Yep! They all seem to become Cy Young reincarnated when facing that awesome Reds hitting lineup!

  2. Klugo

    Anything on Fraley? Fairchild is awful.

  3. Dennis Westrick

    The Reds FO must be slow learners like their field manager! Why the 6;40 pm start time! Left field is a brutal sun field that time of day and Steer’s misplay in the 1st inning last night cost the Reds 2 runs scored against them! In the end it made no difference as Bell’s AAA line up failed to produce a single run!

    Here’s hoping for better results tonight!

    • Daytonnati

      School is opening in some districts around Cincinnati.

    • KDavis

      I agree with you on this. I commented to Lance McAllister on this last night. Two of the reasons no longer exist. Length of games is less of an issue. Games are not ended at 10 or 10:30. Also post pandemic workers are in the office less than 40 hours a week. Not as many people staying downtown to eat and drink and then go to the game. Some how on the 70’s the games could start at 8 and it would not be a problem

    • Oldtimer

      TV determines game starting times, not the Reds.

  4. Dennis Westrick

    Weaver DFA’d? Say it isn’t so! Are we sure Bell couldn’t or wouldn’t use Dream Weaver to bolster the Reds stellar bullpen?

    • Oldtimer

      TV determines game starting times, not the Reds.

      • Oldtimer

        The software is all messed up tonight. Reds won 57% of games started by Weaver. Reds won 50% of games started by others.

  5. Dennis Westrick

    Everything a 2023 Reds fan could hope for happened last night! All of the teams the Reds are battling in the NL Wild Card race lost except the Giants and the Snakes! Everything went our way EXCEPT the Reds lost to a pathetic hitting team in the Indians!

    As an eternal optimist, at least the Reds didn’t lose any ground in the Wild Card race or to Milwaukee for the outside chance at a NL Central Division title!

    Simply have to start winning and that starts tonight!

  6. J



    The only thing I’m not sure about is Votto at #5.

  7. Mark Moore

    Watching as usual. Every hopeful; ever cautious and skeptical.

    Hoping for Abbott to have a good night and get some support.

  8. TR

    Big game tonight. Abbott needs to get the Reds a split with the offense scoring early. Wins needed from White Sox and LAD.

  9. Beaufort Red

    Someone said Tuesday that Votto isn’t a leader because he’s trying so hard to be 25 again. Fitting in with the young guys is more important than being the elder statesman who sets the example. Even if it means chewing out some butt. Bell won’t do it.

  10. J

    Cleveland is doing their best Cincinnati impression so far. Swinging at everything.

  11. JB

    Synderguard is easiest pitcher to steal on. Let’s see what the Reds do

  12. Melvin

    According to (Mr. Stat) Sadak the Reds have the second worst record in the majors for the month of August a half game better than the Angels. Have to turn that around fast.

  13. RedAlert

    Nice start offense !!!! Keep it going !

  14. Melvin

    We’ve already got one more run than we did last night. 🙂

  15. Mark Moore

    Elly made something out of nothing.

    I’m already seeing a highly variable Bizzarro-Zone.

    • J

      Bad calls have 100% gone against the Reds so far.

      • Mark Moore

        I kind of noticed that. Though the one on CES was probably a strike low in the zone.

  16. Mark Moore

    OK, Joey … make Thor pay for that mistake.

    • Mark Moore

      Or not …

      Over to CES to make some rain.

  17. RedAlert

    That’s pitiful Votto , pure pitiful !

  18. J

    Votto has become incredibly bad at making productive outs. It’s basically hits or nothing.

  19. Mark Moore

    Happy we got a run. Hate to settle for just one. Joey just wasn’t patient enough to find a solid stroke for even a Sac Fly.

    OK, let’s see how we play from the “we’re ahead” position tonight.

    • JB

      But Joey said it’s coming. His swing is there. He said the same thing all last year. No Joey you are done.

      • Mark Moore

        MBE posted about Joey today. I added my thoughts. I’m over him making a promise and not keeping it. It’s a sad end to things coming.

      • LT

        I was way ahead of you guys on this. I expressed my thought on Votto in previous years and actually took some heat from some posters on this board. The trick for me to deal with Votto now is don’t expect anything. If and when he produces, take it as a bonus.

      • Doc

        LT, you weren’t the only one. That slow starter excuse got old about 4 years ago.

  20. RedAlert

    Reds might be worst team in MLB scoring runners from third with less than 2 outs … happens too many times with these guys

  21. Rick

    We’ve got to add a power bat this winter to help the kids out. And a quality veteran 7th & 8th inning rp.

    • Mark Moore

      Us and a dozen other teams who will actually spend money in a way we won’t.

  22. Mark Moore

    Bad choice by MattyMc after a great snag. But JV didn’t block that one like he should have.

    • Mark Moore

      Well, no. They caught a complete technicality about failure to re-touch the base after stepping off into foul territory.

      So all is forgiven, we get the out, and retain our challenge.

      • Melvin

        So he stepped off in foul territory, thereby requiring him to retouch the base before advancing, which he didn’t do. Is that correct?

  23. Bet on Red

    DId not properly touch…. thats a new one

    • Mark Moore

      Re-touch. A true technicality. But it killed their inning 😀

    • Melvin

      Me no understand but we’ll take it. 🙂

      • Melvin

        Larkin explained it and I still don’t understand. lol

      • Mark Moore

        What I understood from Thrall and Cowboy is the runner stepped off 1st into foul territory (both feet) and then went to 2nd without tapping 1st as he headed out. Same rule as for any other base and a true “rules nerd review” win for the Reds guys watching that kind of stuff.

  24. Rick

    No Rick, that was a good challenge!! Lol

  25. VaRedsFan

    I don’t get it.
    Maybe Welsh can clarify.

      • Melvin

        Need some more “Tech Talk” with an umpire.

    • Mark Moore

      Cowboy and Thrall did a bit. See my explanation above. It was about “RE-touching” 1st in that situation.

      • Melvin

        When a runner is on 3B he is taught to run, or at least get off the bag, in foul territory so that a batted ball that hits him will not be an out. Correct?

  26. Mark Moore

    Just so nobody has to look for it …

    What I understood from Thrall and Cowboy is the runner stepped off 1st into foul territory (both feet) and then went to 2nd without tapping 1st as he headed out. Same rule as for any other base and a true “rules nerd review” win for the Reds guys watching that kind of stuff.

    • Mark Moore

      And for Melvin and others, I believe this is more prevalent at 2nd or 3rd when somebody was rounding and needed to go back to a prior base due to a caught fly ball.

      • Melvin

        I get it. When a runner crosses a bag either way he has to retouch it to go back. Makes sense now. Got it. Didn’t think of it that way.

  27. JB

    With Bell in love with the “handedness” , the Reds really need a right handed hitting outfielder. Stuart Fairchild isnt it. Friedl,Fraley,Benson from left side and Steer from the right. I guess Hopkins isn’t going to play other than once every three weeks.

    • Mark Moore

      Feel happy for young TJ. He’s making MLB bucks and meal money without risking any injury … 😛

  28. Rick

    Abbott is awesome. Even keeled, & one heck of a ballplayer.

  29. J

    So, there it was. Benson predictably comes to the plate with nobody on base because a bad hitter is hitting in front of him, predictably reaches base, and is followed by a bad hitter who can’t do anything. Another self-inflicted wound that could easily be avoided with a top of the order Benson, Friedl, McLain, Steer.

    • Melvin

      Are you trying to make sense again? You know better than that. 😉

  30. Mark Moore

    Maybe we wiggle out of this little jam. Or maybe Straw scores anyway.

    Can’t let Ramirez beat you (Thrall).

    • J

      Can and did. Nobody even gave any thought to pitching around him. That’s too complicated.

  31. Dennis Westrick

    This 2023 edition of the Reds has become nearly unwatchable since the All Star break!
    They are 5-11 since Friday July 28th! And what happened on that date? Legacy Bell was given a three (3) contract extension!

    And, I know it’s early, but JV and CES left 2 runners in scoring position in the bottom of the 1st! Those kind of wasted scoring opportunities come back to haunt later in the game!

    The Reds hitting, or lack thereof, with RISP has to be one of the worst in MLB. Plus, it seems it has gotten worse since the AS break!

    Just frustrating to watch from a long-time Reds fan!

  32. Indy Red Man

    SF lost and Miami is getting beat down. This team could be in great shape with just solid baseball.

    Freidl above the fence. Let’s go already

  33. VaRedsFan

    TJ…centerfielder extraordinaire!!!!!!

  34. Melvin

    That was a Ken Griffey Jr. catch by Friedl there. Stole a HR.

  35. Bet on Red

    That is a poster right there where he holds up the ball

  36. Mark Moore

    Excellent timing by Friedl to save a huge run and get that inning over.

  37. Dennis Westrick

    And, that’s how you do it! Cleveland gets a runner in scoring position with 2 outs and they get him home!

  38. Dennis Westrick

    Want a comparison? Our pitcher – ERA of 2.95 Their pitcher – ERA of 6.30

    But, most, if not all opposing pitchers with ERAs over 6 become Cy Young when pitching against the Reds! Why is that? Young hitters? Lack of plate discipline? No Small Ball? No clutch hitting? I’m perplexed and wish I had answers!

    • Melvin

      As kind of being said earlier we’ve become a “swing for the fences on every pitch” type of team again. They ought to get the Viking helmet out for a sac fly or bunt or maybe just moving the runner over.

  39. Mark Moore

    Marginal call, but JV with the bat on his shoulder instead of shooting one to LF like he used to in that situation.

  40. Dennis Westrick

    Another leadoff batter gets on base and we don’t even advance him to 2nd! Is bunting no longer allowed in the NL?

    • Mark Moore

      No. It’s not. Nobody does it anymore. Same for a controlled Sac Fly. It’s just not in vogue.

  41. Mark Moore

    Tonight’s defensive highlight reel brought to you by TJ Friedl 😀

  42. VaRedsFan

    This is why floating Votto’s OPS stats doesn’t tell any story at all about what kind of hitter he is now.

    • Mark Moore

      Yep. Batting at 200 with 13 HR’s, but we’ve seen two AB’s tonight where he failed to execute anything productive.

    • JB

      Exactly. All or nothing and he doesn’t move a runner over or get a hit( like a single) when needed. Just buy him out and send him on his way at end of season.

  43. Mark Moore

    3 fly balls for Abbott and he’s out of the inning.

  44. Melvin

    Senzel hitless today and Barrero with two.

    • Mark Moore

      Saw that in the box score. Doesn’t bode well for Nick this offseason.

      I do hope he finds a team that will use him every day at 3B and let him re-ground himself.

      • Melvin

        I just hope it’s not with the Reds anymore. Oh to look back. Remember when Cleveland thought so highly of him? Could have made a big trade.

      • VaRedsFan

        Marlins wanted him for Yelich…Reds said no…(rumored)

  45. JB

    Reds need a lot more of that from Fairchild.

    • Mark Moore

      “Need” and “will get” are two different things. At least it works tonight.

  46. Bet on Red

    its always the quiet ones…. home run fairchild

  47. Melvin

    Going to be a real shame if we don’t find a way to win this game. Fairchild heard me and hit a HR while I’m typing this. 🙂

  48. Ted Alfred

    Big HR by Fairchild. He’s actually hit a lot of balls hard into some pretty tough luck since he’s been up in a few spots. Still don’t love him as a player but it is what it is

  49. Melvin

    Friedl = Star of the game tonight. 🙂

  50. JB

    Friedl is your every day CF. Hits both righties and lefties and plays solid defense.

    • Melvin

      Not according to Mr. Bell a lot of the time. He’s a platoon guy.

    • Mark Moore

      Far and away the best defensive CF we have on the roster. Very good against RHP and not terrible against LHP. So despite HDTBell’s love affair with the “hand jive” he should be there every freaking day!!

  51. Indy Red Man

    Stuey doesn’t get much love on RLN, but he actually had a .765 ops as a Red coming into tonight. Isn’t that slightly above average?

    • Harry Stoner

      Fairchild has some pop in his bat along with his Ks and GIDPs.

      This is a big opportunity with Fraley out to get some consistent playing time.

      Reds could use another productive RH bat.

      I hope he maxes it.

    • Hanawi

      Careful about using OPS, which is a great stat to measure hitting. Most here are still stuck in the 70s and 80s using batting average.

      • LDS

        Not stuck in the 70s, simply mathematically literate. OPS is an aggregate. The underlying numbers matter more as does the distribution of events, hits, etc. But, you keep beating the OPS drum and we’ll all pretend Votto is having another MVP season.

      • Harry Stoner

        One doesn’t need to OPs out on Votto.

        Even simple mathematics will do.

        Look at his rbi #s vs total PA and project over a season.

        OPs is for contract negotiations. I’ll opt for production.

        Not MVP, but should give Votto whiners something to chew or choke on.

        If….they were capable of self-reflection and even possibly entertaining that they might be mistaken about something.

        No evidence of that happening any time soon.

        A comedic cock-certainty.

      • LDS

        @Harry, Votto’s performance occurs in clusters, very similar to Suarez or even Aquino. He has good games from time to time, but he’s no longer capable of his former production. He may be a great guy. He’s certainly a Reds legend. But, he’s no longer worth what they are paying him. Then again neither is Bell.

  52. Ted Alfred

    Friedl starting to get locked in again. He is definitely part of the core, along with McClain, Steer and Benson who I trust to be true professional, consistent MLB players going forward. Obviously Elly, CES and the kids coming up like Marte are very talented.

  53. Melvin

    We needed that. Mighty Mac with a two run HR.

    • Harry Stoner

      When they first drafted McLain, I thought “Risky move, he’s too small.”

      Glad to be proven wrong.

  54. JB

    Can Steer catch? Let’s add that to his resume.

    • Rick

      I wished. If he were 2 years younger and were to have player C during the DRL winter ball and some minor league catching that may have worked.
      I don’t know long Realmuto’s conversion took, turnkey.

  55. Mark Moore

    Those two dingers are even more important now.

  56. Harry Stoner

    So why wouldn’t’ a McLain w .300 BA, 15 hrs, 30 2Bs and 60 rbis translate into ROY?

    That production is in reach.

      • Luke J

        Steer is ahead of Carroll in most major offensive categories. I don’t think he should be crowned already like so many think.

  57. LT

    Offensively this team will go where Mm takes it. But overall I realize that Reds are bottom feeders right no. We feast on bottom tier RHP. Any LHP or decent RHP will give our offense fist.

  58. Melvin

    Come Friedl. You’ve got to catch those. It was only about 10 rows deep. 🙂

  59. old-school

    Not really understanding how Friedl doesn’t play CF every day. There’s literally no OF in the organization who is a better CF and his splits are fine,old-

    • Rick

      We all wonder that except you know who.
      Makes no sense.

    • Jim Walker

      Friedl had about a .950 OPS vs LH pitching from the start of the season thru June 30. But since July 1, it is below .550 with an OBP under .270. This is what has pulled his overall seasonal OPS down to or slightly below league average.

      • Melvin

        Just a good hitter in a little slump in my opinion.

  60. Mark Moore

    Votto let that eat him up. Earned that E3.

  61. VaRedsFan

    That was the 1st HR off a lefty since July 19th for Cleveland.

  62. Beaufort Red

    Votto should be strictly a DH. And he’s not to good at that.

    • old-school

      Who is going to tell him that? Maybe Krall in late October?

      • JB

        He will get the hint when they give him 7 mil and tell him good luck.

    • Hanawi

      Dude. Your constant whining about Votto and EDLC is really, really old. It’s every comment that you make on this site. Find a new puppy to kick.

      • Doc

        Same could be said for every comment about Bell. Cut and paste comments.

  63. JB

    That was a hard shot at Votto and they give him an error. I’ve seen some worse plays in the last month that went as hits. No clue anymore what a hit or error is.

    • Mark Moore

      True enough about the variability in scoring. But a solid 1B should make that play mulch more cleanly than what we saw (IMO). Joey just isn’t up to the task of anything more than just ordinary defense.

    • Beaufort Red

      It hit him the chest. Are you kidding me. At least he didn’t ole it like he usually does.

    • old-school

      That was a tough play. But the bigger question is does Joey Votto play well defensively at 1b for the next Reds champion team? We all know the answer to that.

    • JB

      Oh I agree. That is a error all the way. What I’m saying is comparing that to the plays in the past month that have gone as hits , that were clear errors, I don’t know what a error is anymore. And Votto tried to ole that ball. It just came back at him.

      • Mark Moore


        It’s beyond baffling in many of the cases.

  64. Rob

    The Tribe has hit the ball hard off Abbott. Think it would be wise to get out of there while have the big lead. If I can see it, Bell can see it. Off day tomorrow.

    • Mark Moore

      He’s through the worst of it with that K of Ramirez. Short leash for the 6th is my guess.

      • JB

        80 pitches. He don’t have much time left. He lets a batter on , then Captain hook comes and gets him.

    • VaRedsFan

      Cruz was warming.
      I think you see him for the 6th…and hopefully 7th, if he’s rolling.

  65. Mark Moore

    Handshakes all around. Looks like Abbott is done for tonight.

  66. old-school

    Abbott is done after 5….They are starting to wind him down. He wont pitch after Labor Day,.

  67. MK

    Really expected some kind of announcement about Votto’s future by now. Can’t imagine anyway they would pick up an option or even offer more than the $7 mill bayout to play. Would think they would want to advertise a Joey Votto Day to try to get a sellout crowd.

    • Mark Moore

      It’s ultimately a pretty sad statement on this organization and the end of a great career. I realize they may pay him the $7M and then offer something paltry as a salary for next season, but then he clogs up the 26-man with his presence just for a “farewell tour” stint.

      MBE had a great article on all that earlier today.

      • ryan

        I though the buyout was $8 million, still farcical

  68. Mark Moore

    Blind Hog … here’s your Acorn for tonight.

    CES should blast this one so nobody has to run hard.

  69. Jim

    Unbelievable , Joey gets a hit. But give the young up and comers a chance to get experience and Get out of the way!!! Go to the booth.

  70. JB

    Fairchild is reading Redleg Nation. He says “hold my beer”

  71. Mark Moore

    Station to station … I’ll take that.

    Benson with a huge opportunity. Thor cannot be happy, but at least he doesn’t have to face Benson.

  72. Beroader

    Funny how the offense improves when the strikeout rate vastly improves. Only 3 Ks in 25 PAs thus far.

    • Mark Moore

      Ain’t it though? Almost like putting the ball in play gives you a better chance to make stuff happen.

    • VaRedsFan

      That’s more a reflection on Thor than Reds hitters IMO.

  73. VaRedsFan

    RLN would have lit Stuey up if he popped up on that 3-0 pitch.
    Just remember this going forward.

    • Mark Moore

      He’s having a good night, that’s for sure.

    • Melvin

      Yeah. I was definitely thinking why was he swinging on a 3-0 count. haha

    • Mark Moore

      But I still don’t want to see him taking CF playing time from Friedl on a regular basis. That would be my biggest concern given how HDTBell thinks.

      • Melvin

        Just be thankful Newman doesn’t play the outfield. 🙂

  74. Bet on Red

    votto’s imposing appearance and youthful speed caused that

  75. Melvin

    You don’t see that every day. lol

  76. Mark Moore

    Wow … complete brain fart on Naylor there.

  77. Old-school

    Guardians giving this game away.
    Reds need 12 outs, Hope the bullpen nails it down

  78. Mark Moore

    The replay of TJ’s catch, pose with the ball, and the spit … 😀

  79. old-school

    Fernando Cruz Split is unhittable.

    Luis Castillo change up.

    Hes been very good.

    • Mark Moore

      It looks completely filthy to me.

  80. Hanawi

    Amazing how many on here don’t value Votto’s contributions. He’s not Votto of 10 years ago, but thinking he has no value is insane. A .800+ OPS is top 50 in baseball. Do people think every team is running out guys slugging over .500 in every spot in the lineup?

    Should he hit 5th? Probably not. But he is plenty valuable to be hitting 7th or 8th 4 or 5 times a week.

    • Old-school

      Ummm…Would you rather have him at $20 mil per year or josh Hader at $20 mil per year????? Cody Bellinger @20 mil or Joey Votto in 2024. at $20 mil or JV?
      Blake Snell at $20 mil or JV in 2024?
      Joey Votto is not worth$20+ mil a year at 41 years old

      • Hanawi

        What? Cody Bellinger was worth -.3 WAR combined his last two years in LA. He hadn’t reached .800 OPS since his MVP year four years ago until this year.

        Of course Votto isn’t worth $20 million a year anymore. That doesn’t mean he’s worth zero. Crazy.

      • Old-school

        Bellinger is a still young former MVP who is carrying the Cubs? He has 3.9 fWAR now. Are saying the reds should spend $20 million on Votto over better players like bellinger or Snell or hader?

      • Old-school

        Bellinger is 3.9 WAR in 2023 now and a former MVP.
        Votto is 40 under 0.5

        You can have Votto in 2024.

        Ill take $20 million on Hader or Bellinger or Snell.

    • Mark Moore

      But that’s one of the problems. He’s not batting that far down in the order, he’s not consistently doing the stuff he used to do (not the blasts, just the oppo flares), and despite that great stretch we just saw, he’s about #4 on the defensive depth chart for playing 1B.

      I’d think 3-4 times per week at DH and the rare PH appearance. It’s just baseball and watching the decline this way is painful at least to me.

      • Hanawi

        He doesn’t set the batting order, that’s on Bell.

      • Mark Moore

        I know he doesn’t set the batting order. But he could lobby to move down. He’s played far more ball than HDTBell ever dreamed of. And he did make “the promise” to the fans.

        But whatever. Nothing we can change. It’s all sunk cost and barring some minor miracle, we’re not playing in October. If we do, that’s just gravy to me.

      • Hanawi

        What promise? That he would retire? Again, he is still productive. More productive than the vast majority of hitters in MLB. Why would he retire in the middle of a year when he has shown he can compare with top 50 hitters across the league.

      • Old-school

        Joey Votto is a top 50 hitter in baseball ??????

        Fangraphs says he is #257.

  81. Mark Moore

    That’s on Steer. He had way more time to set and make a better throw.

    • Melvin

      If he was indeed out that was an awesome play by Votto.

  82. Mark Moore

    Maybe robbed on that review just a bit. But JV did lay out for that big time.

  83. JB

    Next week’s schedule isn’t doing us any favors. Alot of late games on the West Coast trip.

    • Mark Moore

      Yeah. Won’t be much baseball on the screen in my house.

    • Indy Red Man

      Big parks favor us though with our speed advantage. That’s why our road record is better

      • JB

        I was talking about us fans. Might have to catch a nap before the game. Those 10 o’clock games are killers.

      • Melvin

        As long as we don’t try for a Viking helmet every swing.

  84. Melvin

    Friedl showing his skills tonight. Good bunt hit.

  85. RedAlert

    Leave Friedl at leadoff Bell the rest of the year … doesn’t matter if lefty or righty pitching …. He’s the best you got hands down !

    • Melvin

      Naaaaw. Got to have Newman there SOMETIMES. 🙂

  86. Mark Moore

    Looked well below his knees. But I can’t say I’m surprised to see the bat on the shoulder.

    Steer finds his acorn in the form of an error.

    • Mark Moore

      And Votto also is reading RLN tonight … exactly what we needed.

  87. Melvin

    Cleveland not exactly flashing the leather tonight. 🙂

  88. Harry Stoner

    EDLC can look so bad at the plate sometimes.

    Like with Aquino or Barerro last year, you just want to avert your eyes.

    • Mark Moore

      Yep. Painful to watch far too often. Cowboy reminding us he’s only 21.

  89. SR

    Is anybody working with EDLC on pitch identification? Swinging to contact?

    • Mark Moore

      You have to believe they are, but the evidence says “a hard no”. He immediately picks up the tablet on his return to the bench, but that’s “book learnin'” where he needs to go to the woodshed of sorts.

    • Beaufort Red

      Is he willing to listen? Self proclaimed fastest man in the world, got his own bat, should have been on the All Star Team according to some MLB analysts. Who needs coaching?

      • VaRedsFan

        That’s unfair.
        According to his teammates he is a very studious.

        You realize he’s accomplished stuff that only Barry Bonds has done at the same stage of their career?

      • Harry Stoner

        Thats unnecessarily harsh.

        He’s been up half a season.

        Sure he’s a showboat, sometimes he backs it up.

        Nothing in his history or makeup suggests he isn’t coachable.

        But how much is he, or anyone else, being coached when we see such a lack of basic baseball fundamentals on the team?

        Bell doesn’t sound like he’s really engaged with his players that way.

      • Beaufort Red

        I know it’s so unfair and harsh. Being in the majors is tough. Maybe he needs a arse kicking instead of coddling. If his ego is so fragile that speaks volumes. And as I type a walk!!!! First one in nine days. Now that’s progress.

  90. Melvin

    There’s your opposite field hit by Votto a lot have been calling for with runners on. 🙂

    • VaRedsFan

      Exactly….it’s there every AB. Every swing doesn’t have to be a HR to be effective.

  91. VaRedsFan

    Naylor making TY look like a gold glover

  92. Ron

    Elly needs to be benched. I can stand up there and leave the bat on my shoulders.

    • Mark Moore

      I had a high school coach say that to me. He could send up a different player to look at a 3rd strike. I still remember that over 40 years later.

  93. Indy Red Man

    Love seeing Joey go to left like the old days. It’s pretty rare.

    TBD on Friday for the Reds. Roster wise they probably can’t do Richardson again, but he’s got serious arm talent

    Stoudt got killed tonight. He’s been disappointing. Santillan same thing. Kuhnel & Big Tony & Jumbo Diaz. No more huge pitchers please. You’re a professional athlete

  94. Melvin

    There goes Moll not walking the first batter again. Let’s face it. He’s just NOT going to make it on this team. 😀

    • JB

      Haha . I had to look up his height. He looks short but he is 5’9.

  95. RedAlert

    Looks like Simms may have moved down the pecking order …. He needs to stay there

    • JB

      I’m not sure our hearts can take him anymore

  96. VaRedsFan

    Can we keep Sims away from this game?

    • Melvin

      Just a hunch but I’m thinking Sims to the IL soon.

  97. Indy Red Man

    Sims was pretty dang good til this last few weeks and never got much love on here. Too much traffic, I get it. I’d give him a 10 day IL for Antone and he’d probably come back fine

  98. Mark Moore

    Lodolo in town for a little eval and rehab. On his way to L’ville I’m assuming.

    • Melvin

      All we have to do is start scoring runs again and we can still take this division.

      • JB

        Well yeah because nobody wants it andCubs got bad news with Stroman.

  99. Melvin

    McLain will get himself at least one gold glove eventually.

    • Mark Moore

      Question is will it be at SS or 2B. I’d prefer SS with Elly at 3B.

      • Melvin

        Me too. I think he could get one either place though.

      • KDavis

        Mark, Marti will probably be at third next year. I do expect the Reds to move India in the off season.

  100. JB

    Reds need a pitcher Friday and Lively is due to pitch Friday in Louisville. I wonder if they call him up

    • Indy Red Man

      He competes, but we can do better. Richardson would be on 5 days rest and isn’t Kennedy still active?

      • JB

        I don’t think they will try Richardson again. Especially with him only doing 3 innings a game. Unless they piggyback Kennedy with him.

  101. Mark Moore

    Naylor can’t wait for the night to be over.

  102. Melvin

    Who would have thought Steer would lead the team in homers, doubles, and RBIs this year?

  103. Beaufort Red

    Even Newman or Stephenson would have been better than Votto there.

    • Mark Moore

      Opinions vary on Joey. Some say he’s still “contributing”. I referenced his “promise to fans” earlier and got taken to task for it. But I stand by it. And I think you are correct. Much of that goes to the situational inability of one HDTBell.

    • Hanawi

      Newman and Stephenson have been awful. You’re just blinded by your Votto hate.

  104. Harry Stoner

    Elly, CES and JV standing there looking at strike 3.

  105. Harry Stoner

    Bell rolling the dice with Busenitz and a 5 run lead.

  106. Melvin

    Sakak talking up Friedl like he should be in the lineup every day. Bell is not going to like that.

  107. LT

    Leader Votto set a pretty good example for looking at strike 3 and CES followed suit. I know Votto lost a lot of his hitting prowess due to age, but his situational basebal IQ has never been good in my view. The guys loves to get a walk in any situation and he got a lot of walks, but no one counted many missed RBI opportunities he wasted.

  108. Indy Red Man

    Mike Clevinger shutting out the Cubs so far. Such a easy comparison to Lowder with the hair, but they really do seem similar. Clev more herky-jerky delivery, but they both know how to pitch. I’m excited for this Lowder kid

  109. Mark Moore

    Bike Helmets to wrap it. Time to switch back to the Bally audio feed and catch some happy post-game stuff. As soon as Larkin stops talking.

    • Harry Stoner

      Who only joined the team on June 5.

  110. Mark Moore

    Cannot lose 100 this season. 40 to go and we’re well ahead of the 2022 wretched pace.

    • Melvin

      These rookies for the most part have been amazing. Never seen anything like it all at once.