The Cincinnati Reds and Cleveland Guardians open up a 2-game series tonight at Great American Ball Park. They’ll play for The Ohio Cup, which I’m pretty sure makes for a terrible cup that you can’t possibly set on a table without it tipping over and spilling your coffee. First pitch tonight is set for 6:40pm ET.

Starting Lineups

Cleveland Guardians

Cincinnati Reds

Steven Kwan – LF Kevin Newman – 3B
Jose Ramirez – 3B Matt McLain – 2B
Andres Gimenez – 2B Elly De La Cruz – SS
Kole Calhoun – 1B Spencer Steer – LF
Oscar Gonzalez – DH Henry Ramos – DH
Will Brennan – RF Christian Encarnacion-Strand – 1B
Gabriel Arias – SS Stuart Fairchild – CF
Bo Naylor – C Tyler Stephenson – C
Myles Straw – CF TJ Hopkins – RF
Logan Allen – LHP Graham Ashcraft – RHP

Starting Pitchers

Graham Ashcraft 120.0 4.95 1.41 46 88
Logan Allen 91.1 3.55 1.37 35 88
Links: Graham Ashcraft’s Stats | Logan Allen’s Stats

Graham Ashcraft

He’s back! Or at least that is how it feels. After a rough stretch for most of May and June, Ashcraft has turned back into a dominant pitcher over the last six weeks. He’s made seven starts since June 30th and has posted a 2.05 ERA in 44.0 innings. In that span he’s only allowed more than two runs in one start and he threw 8.0 innings in that one.

During his struggles in May and June, left-handed hitters were obliterating the ball against Ashcraft. But outside of that stretch he has dominated them for his career and he’s back to it. Right-handed hitters have always been good against Ashcraft and that has continued this season as well. They make more contact, hit for a higher average, and more power against him.


RHH 275 69 11 2 9 27 43 .289 .372 .464
LHH 245 54 8 1 9 19 45 .243 .312 .410

Pitch Usage

2-Seam Cutter Slider
Velo 96.5 95.9 88.1
Usage 10.0% 52.4% 37.6%

Logan Allen

The rookie left-hander has been good for Cleveland this year, posting a 3.55 ERA in 17 starts. He’s had a few hiccups along the way, but by-and-large he’s been an anchor in their rotation. After walking just 7.8% of the batters he faced in his first 14 starts, he’s walked 14% in his last three as he’s struggled a bit to consistently find the strikezone. He’s given up five of his 11 home runs on the season in his last four starts.

As a lefty he doesn’t get the chance to face many lefties, but when he does he’s not allowing them to do a whole lot. He does walk them at a high rate, but they are hitting just .193 against him and not hitting for much power at all. Right-handed hitters have been solid against him across the board.

RHH 324 79 19 0 10 26 73 .267 .326 .432
LHH 68 11 4 0 1 9 15 .193 .313 .316

Pitch Usage

4-seam Cutter Slider Change
Velo 91.5 86.6 83.7 82.7
Usage 46.1% 7.2% 2.3% 22.1%

When and Where

  • Game time: 6:40pm ET
  • Where: Great American Ball Park
  • Watch: Bally Sports Ohio,
  • Listen: 700 WLW AM (Cincinnati area)
  • Forecast: 73°, cloudy, 30% chance of rain

News and Notes

Nick Lodolo moves to AA on rehab

Cincinnati has moved Nick Lodolo up to Double-A where he’ll join the Chattanooga Lookouts tonight in Birmingham to continue his rehab. This will be his second start. You can read more about it here.

Someone will have a streak come to an end


Team W L GB Playoff Odds
Brewers 65 54 0.0 85.0%
Reds 62 58 3.5 23.6%
Cubs 61 57 3.5 55.2%
Pirates 53 66 9.5 0.1%
Cardinals 53 66 9.5 0.4%
Playoff Odds via Fangraphs

175 Responses

  1. VaRedsFan

    So at one point, they are going to have Stuey/Ty/Hopkins/Newman all batting consecutively. That should make for a good Reds Rally. And just think of the mid-innings that those 4 will be affecting.

    Maybe I can reverse jinx it?
    Hopefully!! 🙂

    • Old-school

      Completely Absurd

      which means a Reds 9-2 win


    • SOQ

      Reminds me a lot of Bryan Price’s Sunday “Getaway Game” lineups. He always rested several regulars on Sundays only to have the players have to fly on road trips with a loss on their minds. It drove me crazy

    • SOQ

      Reminds me a lot of Bryan Price’s Sunday “Getaway Game” lineups. He always rested several regulars on Sundays only to have the players have to fly on road trips with a loss on their minds. It drove me crazy

  2. Mark Moore

    Time to jump the Guardrails and win two in a row.

  3. AMDG

    That moment when you hope the Reds might be able to string together some sort of late season run, only to realize they have Newman leading off.

    Oh well. I suppose there is always tomorrow 🙂

  4. Melvin

    Good to see Lodolo moving to AA. I don’t feel good about this lineup but whatever players Mr. Bell decides to put out there I hope it works. Let’s win.

  5. LT

    With this line up, Bell is counting on Graham to go the distance and allows zero run. Even with that, we will probably go extra inning.

    • LT

      As soon as I posted, Graham gave up 2 runs.

  6. Mark Moore

    Well, at least we got the no-hitter and shut-out out of the way early.

  7. Roger Garrett

    Not a good start.Long night ahead.

  8. Old-school

    Reds should not start games with the sun blinding LF

    Adjust the start times based on that

    Its been this way for 20 years

    Adam dunn did the same thing

    • Mark Moore

      It’s ridiculous. Even our most experienced guys would struggle with that one.

  9. Mark Moore

    That could be a broken hand. Heckuva way for him to start tonight.

  10. Ted Alfred

    Nice start. Easy liner right to Steer and apparently he never saw the ball.

    That lineup doesn’t inspire much confidence in a comeback. However, the Indians stink so I guess there is hope??

  11. VaRedsFan

    Larkin: Francona with a game plan for his hitters to stay back and hit the ball the other way against a ground ball pitcher.

    It’s good to have a plan.

    • Melvin

      Game plan on hitting? Come on! 😉 There are times when I think Larkin would be a better manager than Bell.

      • Mark Moore

        Oh please no … I’m pretty sure that would be a downgrade.

      • VaRedsFan

        Not often…but when it comes to hitting approach…ALL DAY

      • Melvin

        Well at least he KNOWS about a hitting game plan. lol

  12. Mark Moore

    Only 22 pitches seems like a minor positive take away.

    Looked to me like it has clouded over and LF is in direct sun now. That stinks that we don’t get the same chance.

  13. Melvin

    Okay. Good job Mr. Leadoff hitter. Squeaked one through. 🙂

  14. VaRedsFan

    Newman only needs 1 hand to get a hit.
    I’m quite sure Chuck Norris never did that.

  15. Mark Moore

    Could be a short night for me. I’m already not in a great mood (late day power outage) and our boys aren’t doing much to improve that so far.

    I know, I know … just leave and don’t tell us and whine about it … 😛

    • Melvin

      Second power outage for you recently as I recall. I know by experience recently how much of a pain in the butt that is.

      • Mark Moore

        Last Monday night. That one was 13 hours. This one less than 2. Still made us rearrange the evening dinner plans in order to keep the fridge closed and the fact that we couldn’t cook anything. More storms coming in the next hour or so.

      • Melvin

        Yeah. I hate that. Mine was 36 hours.

  16. Mark Moore

    Firing up the TV and before I could switch the audio feed I got to hear Larkin use the word “negate” in reference to “letting the ball travel deep”. He put heavy emphasis on “negate” and then added a semi-dramatic pause for effect.

    😀 😀 😀

  17. Roger Garrett

    I will leave knowing it will get better after Matty swings on first pitch,ELDC doesn’t swing at all and Steer swings on 2-0 and all 3 go out.No patience then lots of patience then patience and no hit.Obviously no plan.

    • Mark Moore

      Plans are for sissies, Roger. Or for other teams with competent Field Managers.

      • Dennis Westrick

        Please refrain from using the word “plan” and Bell in the same sentence!

    • Dennis Westrick

      Stupid baseball and apparently it’s contagious!

  18. Melvin

    Walking the leadoff hitter as usual I see. smh

    • Melvin

      According to Google

      “In fact, the leadoff walk scores between 22 and 34 percent of the time, on average, per MLB season.”

      • Mark Moore

        That is frickin’ HUGE. Like hitting in the high 200’s on average.

  19. Mark Moore

    The Blind Hog found another Acorn. Very timely snag, Kevin.

  20. J

    Other than Newman, the guys seem to be in a competition to see who can have the worst possible at-bat. Right now I’d say it’s a six-way tie for first.

  21. Dennis Westrick

    Two (2) Words for DTBell – “SMALL BALL” Don’t be afraid to advance a runner early in the game! Who knows, with only one out, one of the next 2 batters might not strke out and get a hit!

  22. Old-school

    The david Bell 4A righty lineup not so good first time through.

    I thought Senzel and his .929 ish ops against lefties was sent down because no lefties were pitching anytime soon ? Yet the first pitcher is lefty? Maybe guardians know something

  23. Mark Moore

    Nice clean inning with minimal pitches. Way to right the ship.

    Now to back him just a little bit.

  24. Mark Moore

    Cowboy just can’t get a consistent handle on the new name for the Cleveland Major League Baseball Club … 😀

    • Trainradio

      Most people in Cleveland can’t either.

  25. Dennis Westrick

    I know I sound like a stuck record, but, this home stand is crucial for the Reds if they have any hope of gaining ground in the NL Central and the NL Wild Card race! All of the teams the Reds are chasing, the Brewers, the Cubs and the Marlins are involved in tough series! So, the Reds need to win and close the deficits this week!

  26. Mark Moore

    Squandered once again. That rerun is getting very stale.

  27. AMDG

    Hopkins, Fairchild, and Ramos in the lineup, while Friedl and Benson are both on the bench.

    Is today some sort of “Tribute to Minor League Baseball” day at the ballpark?

  28. J

    Leadoff single, and it then takes 7 pitches to get three outs. This team isn’t serious about trying to win.

  29. RedsGettingBetter

    In these first 3 innings the offense struggling against the soft-thrower lefty as usual in recent games

  30. Dennis Westrick

    Three (3) strikeouts by Reds “hitters”, and I use that term loosely, thru 3 innings!

  31. J

    After the first 11 hitters, it really would be hard to decide who’s winning the “worst possible at-bat” award. There are 9 strong contenders.

  32. GPod

    this game has a feeling of “we won’t score any runs” and in the 8th, 9th inning we will be in panic mode, wondering how we let this game slip away, then checking otherscores hoping not to fall farther back in the standings

  33. Mark Moore

    Definitely back on track pitch count wise. Love the weak grounders.

    Now BACK THE MAN with some runs!!!

  34. Roger Garrett

    Give it to whomever developed the game plan for the hitters.Swing,swing often and hard just ain’t working.

  35. Dennis Westrick

    Marlins up 3-0 already as the Houston pitcher apparently didn’t read the scouting report on The Fish! The 2 guys in the Marlins lineup that can hurt you are 1) Soler and 2) Chisholm, Jr. Soler with a 2-run homer on a belt-high fastball. Can’t Fix Stupid!

  36. Dennis Westrick

    GA doing his part after a bad 1st inning! Somebody hit the ball, please!

    • Mark Moore

      Keep in mind at least one of the runs was an out if it wasn’t coming in at the exact same angle as the waning sun. Steer didn’t have a chance.

      • Ted Alfred

        I don’t think they get any runs in the 1st if Steer catches the ball. The second base hit puts Runners at first and second with two outs, the hit batter loads them up and then the ground out to first ends the inning with zero runs scored, so it should still be 0-0

  37. Melvin

    Noticed Senzel not in the Bats lineup again tonight.

    • Mark Moore

      That’s curious. Is he listed in their reserves?

      • Mark Moore

        Nevermind … he is listed as a bench player.

      • Melvin

        Just noticed they have three of the four reserves listed as catchers.


  38. Mark Moore

    You just can’t tell me Benson wouldn’t do a better job at the plate than Stewie. Even with the lefty-righty-lefty crap that HDTBell holds in such high esteem. Or Friedl.

    • Old-school

      Thats not allowed

      Fairchild is a RLN hall of famer as always an alternative to the easy Reds status quo bad team

      See Phil Ervin and Aquino and Ramos and Chuckie robinson and alejo Lopez and Max Schrock and Josh Van Meter

      • Mark Moore

        Thanks for keeping me in check, Old-School. I’ve been around long enough and should know better.

      • Harry Stoner

        Max Schrock!

        Guy was ripping it up in ST, .400+ BA, gets hurt right out of the blocks.

        The opportunity door opens and then closes right up.

        Tough luck story.

  39. RedsGettingBetter

    The platoon against LHP isn’t working so far…

  40. doofus

    Headline so far: “Slop-balling left hander dominates strike zone and Reds hitters.”

  41. J

    Fairchild at least looked like he took his last at-bat seriously. The problem is that he’s just not a very good hitter. There’s a better option sitting on the bench. A guy who’s been hitting really well lately and handles lefties really well. Three more years of this, eh?

    • Mark Moore

      True enough. He’s really not of a quality to consistently play at the MLB level.

  42. Mark Moore

    Impressive 3-6-3 Bike Helmets!!!

  43. GPod

    Ramos, Newman, Fairchild, and Hopkins? Are we not trying to win a playoff spot? This lineup looks like we are playing out the string. The #5 hitter was DFA’ed at one point….good lord

    • Mark Moore

      Nope. Nothing changes per the Great Baseball Book of the Illustrious HDTBell.

  44. Indy Red Man

    Just following on my phone, but almost every hitter 0-2 or 1-2? Fairchild 0-1 pitch was 93 right down the middle… supposedly that’s his only hot zone and he missed it. Bad time to go flat

    • Mark Moore

      In Stewie’s case, he hasn’t had enough productive AB’s to “go flat”. Rather, he’s “staying flat” with some minor flashes.

    • Beaufort Red

      He does have 1 of 3 hits. And EDLC has done exactly what?

      • Mark Moore

        Granted. And don’t get me started on the rising King of the Golden Sombreros. At least his glove is WAY better than Suarez’ ever was.

  45. LarkinPhillips

    Left handed throwing off speed and low and away. Reds hitters still trying to pull home runs instead of driving the ball to opposite field. Nothing but grounder to short and strikeouts. Seems like one team has a scouting report and the other didn’t.

  46. Old-school

    Newman 6-4-3

    Anyone really defending this non Senzel righty lineup? Not that Senzel is good but hes better against lefties than every Reds player andvthis kineup stinks

  47. GPod

    Can we start a Go Fund Me to buy out Bells contract ?

  48. RedAlert

    Please get Cowboy back on the TV broadcast … Larkin making my ears bleed

    • Mark Moore

      No. Because then I don’t get him on the WLW feed. I can take Day in moderate doses. Welsh doesn’t impress me at all. Give me Thrall/Cowboy every time.

  49. Mark Moore

    Pretty slick Bike Helmets there as long as it stands up.

    • Mark Moore

      Yeah … kind of figured after the replay.

      Now HDTBell has to have a say on the play? Thankfully not a challenge.

  50. Old-school

    Guardians know David Bell

    Throw lefties knowing bell plays 4AAA players

    Cant win if you dont score and Fraley aint there to drive in that RBI like he has all year

  51. Mark Moore

    Another Quality Start from Ashcraft going to waste here courtesy of our homer-happy impatient crew. Of course, we’re facing Cy Young, so … 😮

  52. Rick

    Bad lineup personnel wise, plus we’re talking alot of 1st pitch strikes and some guys keeping their bat on their shoulders with 2 strikes.
    Friedl & Benson should’ve started, and Friedl should’ve been leading off. I would go with Maile most nights as our catcher too with what we’ve seen year to date.

  53. Mark Moore

    MattyMc stole a BB there … now will he just hang around on 1st or make something happen?

  54. Mark Moore

    Well that was a bit weird and wonderful …

    OK, Spencer. You have ONE JOB here.

  55. LarkinPhillips

    Terrible decision by ELDC there!

    • Redlegs1869

      Wondering about his baseball IQ. Seriously. I know he’s 21 and believes he can do anything and get away with it. Believes his own hype too much. But if a little leaguer made that stupid attempt he’d be excoriated by his coach even if he was 11 years old. Not cute. Not funny. Not smart. Not aggressive. Just moronic.

  56. RedAlert

    absolute atrocious baserunning …. Terrible

  57. Mark Moore

    Why does Elly risk that? 6th inning and we’re behind. Heck, he could swipe 2nd on the next pitch.

    • JB

      There’s not enough points to give you for that. He could walk to second on the next pitch because with McLain on third , they aren’t throwing to second.

    • Melvin

      A good manager would step in and stop that. Aggressive is one thing. Stupid is another. Besides, a lot of the times EDLC can score from 1B as easily and someone else from 2B.

  58. Old-school

    Elly is good but bell is a coward

    He lets him lose games on the bases.

    Adults need to say no

    Bell doesnt

    • Ted Alfred

      Bell doesn’t have the balls to ever tell a player anything negative….never going to happen with him. He wants to be every player’s friend

      • Melvin

        What do you think Lou would have done if he were manager right now? hahaha

    • doofus

      How do we know David Bell does and does not discuss with his players?

      • LarkinPhillips

        Either he doesn’t tell them or they don’t listen to him because they consistently make the same type or mistakes.

      • Old-school

        It doesn’t matter

        Elly is losing games and consistently giving outs away on the bases

        Thats losing baseball and any manager that cares about winning stops outs on the bases that loses games

        Elly is losing games on the bases. Period

      • Melvin

        ….because they keep on doing it. Don’t you think Lou would have pulled him for doing that if he had already discussed it with him?

      • Melvin

        Even Larkin was coming down hard on him in the broadcast.

  59. Mark Moore


    That’s a minor Stink. Fish. Pot!!!

  60. RedAlert

    This lineup is atrocious as well … you can’t hide David Bell …. NEVER optimizes his chances to win a game with lineup construction , NEVER

  61. Ted Alfred

    Elly has a lot of talent but he has done some of the dumbest base running mistakes I’ve ever seen in my life about five different times this year. What a stinker of a game, you lose a ball in the sun in the first inning and that’ll probably be the only two runs scored in the game. Then you throw out a lineup out there that’s like half of a Triple-A lineup… as if you’re not in the middle of a pennant race because of course you got to avoid the Lefty Lefty thing

  62. Reddawg2012

    It’s pretty crazy how just a few weeks ago we thought the lineup was so deep and we had too many good players to get them all on the field. Baseball is such a humbling sport.

  63. JB

    Elly shouldn’t be playing in the bottom of the inning but there he will be on short. No accountability on this team. Not one player or coach talking to him on the bench.

    • doofus

      His interpreter is not on the bench?

  64. Beaufort Red

    Because the guy was born with more talent than brains. Baseball IQ horrible.
    Plays like he’s the best player In Little League. Please send him down for a while. If his ego is that fragile that speaks volumes.

  65. RedsGettingBetter

    I think Ramos is a good triple-A hitter but in the big leagues struggles …He is not helping more than Senzel really so far…

  66. VaRedsFan

    When I saw the ball go to the warning track, I thought he’d get 2nd easily.
    Totally shocked he was thrown out.

    Then I think, why risk it, just steal the bag next pitch.

  67. Dennis Westrick

    Reds may want to rethink starting games at GABP at 6:40. Saw the replay of Steer missing the line drive to him in left field! He never had a chance to see, let alone catch the ball.

    This striking out thing is getting ridiculous! Seven (7) strikeouts r]thru 6 innings!

  68. doofus

    Elly must make that play if he wants a gold glove.

    • Beaufort Red

      Now that’s funny. He’s not even the best shortstop in the team.

  69. Roger Garrett

    Little league play and nobody will be held accountable.If they don’t or won’t listen set them.Play like little boys then treat them that way.Goodness how long must this go on.

  70. Mark Moore

    OK, that’s it for me, friends. Maybe tomorrow night is our night. Or maybe it isn’t.

  71. Dennis Westrick

    Every team we’ve played recently plays smarter baseball. Batter gets a hit, settles for a single instead of foolishly trying to stretch it into a double! Then he steals 2nd base! EDLC needs to watch % learn!

  72. Mark A Verticchio

    Teams just run all over Stephenson. But regardless this game was lost as soon as Bell filled out the line up card.

    • Dennis Westrick

      Exactly! Guess he won’t win Manager of the Year after all!

    • VaRedsFan

      He struggles for sure, but Graham doesn’t hold runners on very well…Most of the time he doesn’t even look over.

  73. Dennis Westrick

    OK folks! I’ve seen enough of this team making Little League fielding, running and throwing mistakes! GA deserves a better team behind him and when batting!

  74. Roger Garrett

    Never had a chance from the get go then the Reds go out and prove they didn’t have a chance.Worst thing is that Bell will say their guy was good and we will learn from our mistakes.Just awful I’m gone.

  75. GPod

    I went back & watched that AB by Ramos last inning….he never saw a pitch that was even close to the strike zone (5 pitches) yet he strikes out….he’s your #5 hitter in the line-up …. god help us

  76. JB

    With two outs I would let Stephenson hit and hold Benson for next inning. Bell will never pinch hit for Newman though.

    • RedAlert

      How can you stand up there and watch that Votto !!!! Unbelievably bad …… awful

  77. doofus

    Reds hitters need to hit in the clutch.

  78. Dennis Westrick

    Seven (2) innings with only 2 runs allowed by GA! A quality start! Too bad Bell put a AAA batting lineup out there against a mediocre Indians team!

    Ten (10 ) strikeouts thru 7 innings! What a joke!

  79. Mark A Verticchio

    Bell just doesn’t get it, he is constantly trying to look like the smartest guy in the ball park and most of the time looks like a fool doing so. I am not sure I can stomach four more years of this fool being in charge.

    • Dennis Westrick

      Try watching his post-game pressers! He makes me ill listening to his faux praise and excuses!

  80. Dennis Westrick

    My bad! Make that 3 runs allowed by GA!

  81. Melvin

    Is this now the lineup we should have started with?

  82. Old-school

    I dont understand this lineup

    Newman leadoff with fairchild hopkins and weak side SH Ramos

    Add on elly against a lefty and Stephenson slump and CES rookie…

    No runs

    Stop the handedness

    Terrible offense against lefties

  83. VaRedsFan

    Young is so much better starting an inning fresh.
    When was the last time Bell didn’t march out in the middle of the inning to put Young in?

  84. GPod

    as i figured … runs….time to check other scores

  85. Mark A Verticchio

    .500 and below here comes David Bell’s team. He sure deserved a 3 year extension, I still can’t wrap my head around what happened.

    • RedAlert

      Bell has done absolutely nothing to deserve a 3 year extension at this particular point in time . Apparently has learned nothing from his previous stints as Reds manager . One of the absolute worst tactical managers in MLB… and has shown that time and time again

  86. LDS

    Pretty clear that we fans can give up the fantasy of post season. Bell signs an extension. The Reds tank. Predictable as sunrise.

  87. Erik the Red

    I think all of us are seeing a lot of things that are adding up to a lot of warning signs to the future. Way too many bone head plays and plate discipline is awful lately. Not enough starting pitchers to eat up enough innings. A manager that is way over his head and not holding players accountable along with bad lineup decisions. Of course who knows if ownership and front office would part with some prospects to get a key piece or two.

    • LDS

      The players have changed over the last 5 years. The manager hasn’t. And we see the same stupid plays, lack of fundamentals, etc. Hmmm, what could be the common thread?

  88. Melvin

    Good hit by Steer there with two strikes.

  89. Melvin

    We have had so much good pitching WASTED after the All-Star break.

  90. LDS

    At least the bullpen had a night off. Krall screwed up with the Bell extension. 3 more years of mediocrity on tap. And forget the off season FA market. Bob won’t fork over enough money to offset the objections of playing for Bell.

  91. RedsGettingBetter

    I don’t know but a lineup with Newman, Ramos, Fairchild, Hopkins in the big leagues does not give much hopes even though is against a LHP

  92. Mike Adams

    We played.
    We got paid.
    We will get them tomorrow until there is no more tomorrow.
    Ho hum.

  93. GPod

    Again, your #5 hitter is a guy who was DFA’ed this year…..he has done nothing in the majors in his life ….yet he is who you have decided to put in your lineup in critical games down the stretch ……take a look at his last 2 AB’S…it was a joke

  94. J

    I’ve been told the manager can’t be blamed for anything the players do on the field, so I’ll just say Bell has apparently inherited a roster full of players who all just happens to be bad at knowing when to run or not run, when to swing or not swing, when to check their swings or not check them, when to swing for the fences or just try to make contact, etc. etc. etc. He must be the unluckiest manager on earth to have inherited a roster full of guys who don’t seem to know a lot of the most basic fundamental principles of baseball and don’t seem capable of learning them.

  95. RedBB

    This team has ZERO chance of making the playoffs. Sooner you realize it the sooner you can step off the ledge. So many weaknesses it not even worth going over….

  96. Mark A Verticchio

    August collapse 3 wins 10 losses. Captain Bell has done a great job, lol, this team has no coaching what so ever. When EDLC made that bone head play did any player or coach attempt to use it as a teaching moment, nobody even went up to talk to him. America’s team, man was that a joke, or what, and please get rid of that stupid Viking garb it isn’t a good look any more, it’s a sad and desperate ploy for attention.

  97. Protime

    De La Cruz is has become a rally killer with his reckless base running. He’s done this too many times. Where’s the discipline? No managerial leadership. Bell’s lineup-ineptness diminishes competitive balance. He won’t change, and will not adapt. Extension disaster…

  98. west larry

    The secret is out. The reds are deadly against righties and near death against lefties. the reds better shop for a proven right hitting outfielder, Probably cost 15 million a year if we can find one, The reds may need two.

  99. Jeremiah

    Not a huge Bell fan but I feel for him a bit. He could do no wrong a few months ago. Every lineup he put out there worked, whether Fairchild was in there, casali, didn’t matter where they were batting in the lineup, everyone contributed, even Newman had big hits ( I like Newman as a bench guy hitting 8th or 9th). Then with the extension the Reds I think were about 10 over .500. It probably felt like the right move at the time by Krall. I’m not sure they wanted to extend Bell honestly…but with how well the Reds had done to that point they probably felt the pressure. If they had waited a week or so they may have changed their mind.

    I think it’d be interesting to hear what someone inside the clubhouse would say after the season if things continue to go downhill and for they finish under .500. I wonder if something changed with the dynamic of the team, the camaderie at some point, some rifts came about etc. I don’t know, perhaps just the long MLB season is showing the Reds are kind of what they are a 75-82 win type of team, what we kind of actually hoped for before the season.

  100. LDS

    Everyone is calling EDLC the rally killer for his base running. Does he actually have a continuous green light or does Bell/coaches give that call situationally? Regardless, as I said a few days ago, send him to Louisville for a tune up and bring him back near the middle of September. Get him refocused. Bell clearly can’t or won’t.

    • Harry Stoner

      My hunch with Bell is “continuous green light”.

      He’s almost admitted as much by saying “we support the aggressiveness” or whatever his excuse-of-the-day is.

      No reason that support and accountability are mutually exclusive.

      Except in Bell-land.

      I can’t imagine them shipping EDLC out. He likely adds a few K to attendance on a given night.

      As well as a couple Ks.

      Face it: Kiss playoffs goodbye for 2023.

      Kiss > .500 goodbye.

      Bell for 3+ more years.

      @LDS, you were predicting 105+ losses.

      I’m shortening my swing and going with the pitch.

      There will be no emphasis on basic fundamentals until he’s gone.

      Even if he gave lip service to it during this past ST.


      Sic Gloria transit Mundi.

      There will still be things to enjoy.

      • LDS

        I don’t think I ever said 105+ but I did think 100+ was likely. Still the young guys have exceeded expectations. Alas Bell hasn’t. As I’ve said several times the last couple of years, Bell isn’t suited for developing young players. And his inexplicable decisions are rarely supported by the numbers.

      • Harry Stoner

        I live in Texas, hermano, and this summer 105 vs 100 (degrees) makes a lot of difference.

        You don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.

        So you’re hedging on your pessimism?

        We can let you slide on that.

        You might have said 110 at some point when you were really rolling.

        There were no expectations for Bell, only hope he’d be gone.

        The team has shown it can win despite Bell.

        And lose according to Bell.

        2023 is over but for seeing Greene and Lodolo come back and Williamson continue to grow.

        Ashcraft and Abbott almost bankable.

        EDLC is brutal to watch at the moment.

        It may never get good, but it will get better.

      • LDS

        No my pessimism remains. I don’t think the Reds can be competitive with Bell calling the shots. And starting the season, I absolutely thought 100+ losses were more likely than a winning record. Sadly, the winning record is slipping away as well. Extending Bell was simply unfathomable. But it happened. As for 105 vs 100 – yeah, I live in the south so I know what you mean.

  101. Jeremiah

    On a statical level…Friedl really fell off in the second half for a long time…De La Cruz really struggled for a long time…India really stopped hitting overall…Stephenson really fell off and has overall had a bad season hitting…I think Benson and Fraley were two of the only guys that were fairly consistent as the Reds began slumping.

  102. doofus

    Me thinks we doth protest too much,

  103. doofus

    Bell can only start the hitters he has. Is not Krall responsible for building a roster?

  104. doofus

    Guys, stop moaning about the same stuff after every loss. Where is the vitriol fir the principal owner proclaimed that he knew “how it is done?”