The Reds dropped the first game of today’s doubleheader 4-2 after the bullpen blew a 1-run lead in the 7th inning. Cincinnati will look to split the day and avoid being swept for the third time in a row while playing a doubleheader dating back to 2022. First pitch against the Pittsburgh Pirates is set for 6:05pm ET.

Starting Lineups

Cincinnati Reds

Pittsburgh Pirates

TJ Friedl – CF Alfonso Rivas – 1B
Matt McLain – 2B Bryan Reynolds – LF
Elly De La Cruz – SS Andrew McCutchen – DH
Spencer Steer – 3B Jack Suwinski – CF
Joey Votto – DH Henry Davis – RF
Christian Encarnacion-Strand – 1B Endy Rodriguez – C
Henry Ramos – RF Liover Peguero – 2B
Will Benson – LF Jared Triolo – 3B
Luke Maile – C Alika Williams – SS
Luke Weaver – RHP Andre Jackson – RHP

Starting Pitchers

Luke Weaver 93.1 6.75 1.63 33 78
Andre Jackson 22.2 5.16 1.10 3 23
Links: Luke Weaver’s Stats | Andre Jackson’s Stats

Luke Weaver

In his last start Weaver allowed one run in 4.1 innings against Miami while walking one and striking out six. He faced the Pirates in his first start of the season on April 20th and they put up four runs against him in 6.0 innings that day in a 4-3 Pittsburgh win.

Weaver has reverse splits, but both lefties and righties hit quite well against him. Lefties are walking at a solid clip and make a bunch of contact while hitting for a good average and a good amount of power. But right-handed hitters are absolutely crushing the ball against him. They don’t walk as often and they strike out more than lefties do, but they are doing a lot more damage when they do make contact.


RHH 222 68 17 1 13 13 43 .330 .374 .612
LHH 208 51 12 2 9 20 35 .274 .346 .505

Pitch Usage

4-Seam Cutter Curve Slider Change
Velo 94.1 87.1 81.7 83.7 86.1
Usage 45% 18% 14% 1% 22%

Andre Jackson

Picked up by the Pirates from the Dodgers in late June, Jackson has only pitched in two games with Pittsburgh at the big league level. They’ve been quality outings, though, firing off 5.0 perfect innings with seven strikeouts out of the bullpen. Today will be his first big league start. He’s made four starts in the minor leagues this season.

His splits in the big leagues are below, and they’re interesting. He has one walk and 12 strikeouts against righties in the majors this season, but in the minor leagues he has 19 walks and 27 strikeouts against righties this season. In the big leagues righties are hitting for a good average and tons of power against him, they just haven’t walked much at all. Lefties haven’t hit much against him at all at either level this season.

RHH 48 13 2 0 4 1 12 .277 .292 .575
LHH 46 9 3 0 1 2 11 .205 .239 .341

Pitch Usage

4-seam Curve Cutter Change
Velo 95.3 82.9 87.2 87.1
Usage 40% 1% 16% 43%

When and Where

  • Game time: 6:05pm ET
  • Where: PNC Park
  • Watch: Bally Sports Ohio,
  • Listen: 700 WLW AM (Cincinnati area)
  • Forecast: 82°, cloudy, 0% chance of rain

News and Notes

Ben Lively struggles in rehab start

Lively was scheduled to throw 85 pitches today in his rehab start in Triple-A. He threw 32 because he gave up 6 runs on 6 hits and a walk in the 1st inning and recorded just 2 outs.


*Entering the day*

Team W L GB Playoff Odds
Brewers 64 54 0.0 80.8%
Cubs 61 56 2.5 60.2%
Reds 61 57 3.0 24.1%
Pirates 52 64 11.0 0.2%
Cardinals 52 66 12.0 0.4%
Playoff Odds via Fangraphs

325 Responses

  1. J

    It seems Bell didn’t use the time between games to look himself in the mirror and ask himself some difficult questions.

    • Harry Stoner

      He did.

      He swapped Maile for Stephenson.


      Likely we’ll see EDLC get a big hit along with a couple Ks and the codependent cycle will continue.

      • J

        I understand you’re being facetious, but this lineup really demonstrates how Bell thinks. Maile hits 9th but Stephenson hits 7th. If either of them should have hit somewhere other than 9th today, it’s pretty obviously Maile, but Bell can’t accept that reality, so he sticks with the imaginary situation his brain has conjured up.

        And then you’ve got Ramos, who wasn’t good enough to start the first game, but is now hitting ahead of Benson. Bell is willing to let this game end with Ramos, Elly, and Votto all getting more at-bats than the guy who’s been the most consistent left-handed hitter for months.

      • SteveAReno

        Ramos went 3 for 3 and got on base all four times at bat. You are eating crow and the feathers have blocked your eyesight since you didn’t see how Ramos tore it up in Louisville all year long.

  2. CI3J

    Reds are slowly falling back to the pack. Only 3 games over .500 now.

    For what it’s worth, their Pythagorean Expectation says their record should be 57-62, so they’re still doing quite a bit better than they should be.

    The trends are definitely going in the wrong direction, though.

  3. Rick

    I feel bad for Williamson. He’s pitched several good games with low pitch counts only to be removed. Him, CES & Benson aren’t on Bell’s pets list.

    • Melvin

      “I feel bad for Williamson”


  4. Ted Alfred

    I wonder how long it will take our fearless leader to eventually, finally drop Elly from hitting 3rd to 6th or lower? Friedl and McClain get on base a lot, so making contact consistently to move them over or get them home is kind of important. He left Elly at leadoff for about a month as he struck out at an amazingly high clip while hardly ever walking. Most of us knew from the beginning the Elly move to leadoff wasn’t going to work out due to these pretty obvious flaws in his hitting. So will he learn from his mistakes and make the next obvious move quickly, or will it take forever like him hitting leadoff or India hitting 3rd.

    I wish I was more hopeful…unfortumately I am not.

    • greenmtred

      And to think that some of us were congratulating ourselves for knowing that Elly would do so much better if he were relieved of the crushing burden of batting lead-off, and he validated our opinion by having an excellent first game in his new slot! But now this!! He’s had a bad second game!! He’s a rookie with a big reputation and the pitchers are working him over. I think he’ll figure it out and doubt that going back to AAA would help him much. And I doubt that moving him down in the order will, either. Do you think the other teams wouldn’t recognize him if he were hitting 8th?

      • Ted Alfred

        I think having a guy hitting 3rd who strikes out around 40% of the time with two guys hitting in front of him who get on base a lot is just basic mismanagement. Look at the problems they’re having scoring runs….game after game after game. You can’t keep not taking advantage of the chances you get with runners on base and Elly is just not the type of hitter you want hitting 3rd when often just making contact results in runs. Put him towards the bottom of the lineup where he can get on base with his .310 OBP and 40% K’s without leaving a bunch of guys on base all the time. I don’t think there’s much doubt at this point that Spencer Steer is the far better hitter vs Elly, so why isn’t he hitting three?

        This really isn’t that hard, Bell makes it look a lot more difficult than it is.

      • Melvin

        If moving him down in the order wouldn’t help him it would help the Reds nevertheless.

      • Melvin

        “I think having a guy hitting 3rd who strikes out around 40% of the time with two guys hitting in front of him who get on base a lot is just basic mismanagement.”

        David Bell rarely manages like every game matters. This is just another example. Lineups can be altered on a regular basis. Bell waited a month to take him out of the leadoff spot and will probably wait another month to take him out of the 3rd spot in which the season will be close to over.

    • Rick

      Paraphrasing Bell after the Friday game; “we don’t make too much out of batting orders”. SMH

      • Ted Alfred

        Truer words were never spoken, this much is clear.

      • greenmtred

        People who actually analyze the importance of batting order don’t make much of it , either. Nobody on the team is consistently hitting lately, so moving them around will accomplish what, exactly?

      • Melvin

        Benson is hitting and getting on base better than most and moving him up at the very least will get him more ABs. One AB can mean the game. That’s just one example.

  5. Mark Moore

    My motivation to tune in for a second time today probably cannot get any lower.

    • JB

      Im not. Going out to work on the garden. Maybe yell at a few “Bell” peppers.

    • Melvin

      Your motivation is the same as mine and a whole lot others. You’re a lifelong die hard Reds fan. You hate the way ownership does things but you never stop being a fan. You’re on the “Sell the team Bob” bandwagon.

      • Mark Moore

        +5,000 Melvin

        And I’ve tuned in to Thrall and Day. I see the Pie-Rats are the “Grays” tonight.

  6. GPod

    Pre-game question to Bell on Stephenson struggling, his response: “Tyler will use this as a great learning experience”……great wisdom from the worst manager in the MLB

    • Melvin

      ..but will YOU use this as a learning experience Mr. Bell? Look in the mirror.

      • Mark Moore

        Nope. Because HDTBell already knows things and they guys love him.

  7. JB

    Well he sat Fairchild and the double play machine, so that’s a good start. I’m shocked Newman isn’t playing. What will Votto get first, his 14th homer or 14th single?

  8. KDavis

    TJ Hopkins held hostage again. Why?

    • Mark Moore

      Be happy for TJ. He’s not risking any injuries and he’s making MLB pay and meal money … 😛

      • Roger Garrett

        Good job no risk getting paid.Maybe he can switch with Bell in the second game.TJ can manage and Bell can go for coffee and doughnuts.

      • Jim Walker

        And it is legitimately open to speculation when or whether either India or Fraley will be back in 2023. So, if Hopkins can survive the Casali return he could well be making MLB money and per diem the rest of the season unless they let Barrero or Senzel out of the doghouse.

        BTW one month of MLB pay matches or exceeds a year’s salary for a 40 man roster pre arbitration guy on option to the minors.

    • Melvin

      I’ve never seen Bell use/not use a player like this. Everyone usually plays some.

    • greenmtred

      Why, hell, it’s obviously a conspiracy. Devious and unknowable, too, but that that won’t stop us from speculating.

  9. GPod

    Votto the worst batting avg. of all 9 in the lineup today (.210) ….when does he announce that he’s hanging it up after this year?

    • Hanawi

      He’s still got a great OPS which is a much better measure. I would imagine he wouldn’t announce until after the season anyway if he did retire.

    • LDS

      He’ll be back next year if the FO follows their usual pattern.

  10. Mark Moore

    Quick odds on Friedl attempting to take 2nd? Anyone … Bueller?

  11. Mark Moore

    Blind hog …. meet the acorn. Good for Elly to do that.

    • Mark Moore

      And he goes on the first pitch and gets pegged on the throw.

  12. Mark Moore

    2 for 15 with RISP????? That’s far worse than I thought it was.

    And we start with another stranding.

  13. old-school

    I disagree with the Send Elly to AAA crowd.
    There s nothing for him to learn in AAA. AAA pitching in August is terrible. Drop him in the order for sure…,but he needs to play. he also still advances winning with his defense and speed and baserunning.

    • Mark Moore

      Agree with not sending him down. Personally would rather he cement a spot at 3rd, but with India out, HDTBell won’t do that. His defense is still very good to excellent. His speed isn’t as relevant since he can’t get on the freaking base on a consistent basis.

      But he needs to learn and adjust here. AAA would be a complete waste and probably a setback.

      • Melvin

        “His speed isn’t as relevant since he can’t get on the freaking base on a consistent basis.”

        That’s a good point. That’s another reason why CF might be a good place to try for him. He could use his speed even when in a BA/OBP slump. His speed should not be wasted.

    • Jim Walker

      I do think they should think long and hard about either sending Stephenson down or to the IL though. Not only is his offense totally broken, he is hurting them behind the plate.

      He is not the same player he used to be; and, one way or another it has to trace back to his collarbone/ shoulder injury and surgery last year.

    • LDS

      Sending him down is a psychological move. It’s not a question of his potential. And he needs it.

  14. Mark Moore

    First inning blues … got THAT out of the way.

  15. Old-school

    Ive got the Elly solution.

    Have him take live BP against Weaver.

  16. Roger Garrett

    No need to send him down him or any other young guy.Let them play.Tell Joey he is a part time guy that plays against certain pitchers.CES is the first base man.Say so long to Newman bring up another younger player.As soon as you have 2 or 3 relievers ready at Louisville get them up here and start redoing the pen.Most of them won’t be here next year anyway.

    • old-school

      Preaching to the choir Roger. Churn this roster yet again.

      • Roger Garrett

        Yeah and I am just tired of talking about Bell.Just fix the roster so that whatever moves he makes its with a young player and I am good with it.Heck bring up wild thing.You know he is going to walk a bunch and so what.Buck,Sims and others need to move on.Gassed or not time for them to go.Cruz is what 33.Reynolds got the save in Louisville today and pitched 2 + innings.Good grief who cares about all these roster moves half of the roster doesn’t even belong.

  17. Mark Moore

    There’s the familiar 2-run hole to start.

  18. Roger Garrett

    Its insane to start Weaver and its even worse for me to hang around and watch.

    • old -school

      It’s sorta kinda like a RLN Badge of honor. I survived Heath Hembree. I survived Hunter Strickland. I survived Tommy Pham. I survived Moose and Akiyama. I survived Luke Weaver.

      We can celebrate this year next spring training.

      • Mark Moore


        Somebody needs to design that series of badges and market them. I’d buy several.

      • Harry Stoner


        Hembree took a toll though.

        Then there was Doolittle.

      • Old-school

        Harry…ouch…Doolittle was 2 badges.

  19. MK

    What the devil did Ramos do wrong in right field . Weavers getting bombed so Sadek has to talk about Ramos being a poor defender. What a bunch of crap. Sadek shouldn’t be talking about any odors poor performances.

    • Mark Moore

      Sadak has as much feel for the game as HDTBell. Plus he has a LOT more words he just has to use every night.

    • doofus

      John Sadak wants to be Al Michaels. He comes off sounding like Howard Cosell. And, he looks like Elmer Fudd.

  20. Randoxu1

    How Weaver is still making starts let alone on this roster is amazing but then again we have Bell for 3 more years so that sounds about right.

  21. Indy Red Man

    Checked the score and saw we lost again with Weaver to follow up. It’s football season

    • Indy Red Man

      Might watch Mod Squad take us to school now. We’d lose to 25 plumbers in Pirate jerseys

  22. J

    Ticket holders and local taxpayers have a right to expect this team to try to win every game. Sending Weaver to pitch every fifth game is the opposite of that. This is really starting to seem like a class-action lawsuit waiting to happen.

    • Mark Moore

      Were I a resident and ticket holder, I’d join that kind of malfeasance suit.

  23. MK

    Votto in mid season voice with a loud F-bomb

  24. Jim Walker

    I don’t pretend Ramos has a ceiling like Benson’s but he is a guy who could help light this team for several weeks like Benson did in June if he can get on a roll.

    There can’t be anyone more hungry; and, a guy who has scuffled for going on 15 years in the minors and overseas has seen it all.

  25. Bet on Red

    Mahle ties it…. talk about a catcher picking up his pitcher

    • Melvin

      Maile, for now, is clearly the better all around catcher. It’s not even close. I HOPE we don’t go back to three catchers. Maybe when Casali is ready Stephenson can go on the IL for a bit and then rehab. He’s really not helping much right now. Maybe some time in AAA will help him get ready for the playoffs. cough cough….if we somehow make it. Me thinks Casali will be back when Greene is back like it or not.

  26. Old-school

    Anyone left questioning who is the reds best Catcher? I love Ty Stevie but it ain’t working. Last thing the Reds need is another old catcher on the 26 man.

    • Jim Walker

      If they go back to 3 catchers, one of them needs to be Chuckie Robinson because he would at least be a threat off the bench to run into one from time to time like Maile does.

  27. Mark Moore

    I was about to criticize Maile for whiffing at what were likely balls (his second one was). Then he does that and Benson hustles from first to home.

    Day and Thrall talking about Maile getting playing time over TySteve. I wouldn’t bet on that given HDTBell’s normal train of (not) thought.

    • Pete

      This is the truth, hard to believe as it might. Bell on the pregame show before the first game basically said he doesn’t like to mess with the lineup because it can be disorienting to the players. He said it’s hard enough to play this game without having to worry about that. So I wouldn’t look for Tyler Stephenson, or any of the other regulars to lose any playing time or changes in the lineup.

      Like it or not, but it’s the way the man rolls….

      • Melvin

        “said he doesn’t like to mess with the lineup because it can be disorienting to the players.”

        WHAT??? Come on!!! Maybe it was to him when he played I don’t know. These guys have been playing baseball ALL THEIR LIVES. It’s mostly a bunch of crap as to why you don’t make the best lineup with the best order you can EVERY DAY EVERY GAME. Bell is just NOT a winner. Period.

  28. Indy Red Man

    You know they could try playing Maile 3 out 4 games, but why mess up the gravy train. Everybody’s check clears

    • Ted Alfred

      Yep and every time Maile plays he bats dead last, but Stephenson bats 7th.

      Bell knows stuff.

    • Reaganspad

      I think that Maile is a good catcher. I have been concerned about Tyler for a while

  29. Ted Alfred

    Seriously the way he has relegated Hopkins to the bench since he was called up like a week ago seems personal. I don’t know how Hopkins could take it any other way.

    • Mark Moore

      Because he “loves sitting for HDTBell”??? 😉

    • Jim Walker

      Hopkins is the 26th man/ 13th position player. I do NOT think it is personal per se but merely that he doesn’t fit for Bell. All he can do is play corner OF. Bell’s patterns suggest he would prefer someone like Senzel who gives him more positional flexibility.

      With Barrero playing well at AAA for an extended period, it hardly seems a coincidence to me that with the injuries to India and Fraley along with Senzel being exiled, they have gone from 3 pure OF to 5 pure OF who don’t play IF. Maybe that is Krall’s response to Bell’s extension by higher orders?

      • Roger Garrett

        Jim,anything helps me that even suggests that Krall or whoever may be Bell proofing the roster.

      • Jim Walker

        @Roger>>> I think somebody made a conscious decision when India went down, that they wanted 4 true OF (and a backup CF) and that Steer was primarily going to play IF. This drove the Fairchild recall.

        When Fraley went down they reinforced this decision with Hopkins (because he was on the 40 man and Ramos wasn’t).

        When Senzel struggled at 3B and at the plate plus was an ongoing “political” issue, he was out and they bit the bullet and made the 40 man move to get Ramos up. This sealed Steer as an IF.

        Next question I see is whether they will swap Hopkins or Fairchild out ahead of Sept 1 for Barrero and whether there is any path back for Senzel.

  30. Indy Red Man

    Dream Weaver, I believe I can reach the cheap seats

    • RedBB

      Worst pitcher in baseball and somehow still starting of the Reds…Krall bad

  31. GPod

    weaver is falling behind every hitter….good god

  32. Ted Alfred

    It must be nice to be David Bell or our wonderful batting practice pitcher The Dream Weaver to make that kind of money being this bad at what you do. I guess it pays to know people in high places or have family connections, only thing I can think of.

  33. old-school

    Still want to see Weaver in the Reds Gambling parlay pregame. you could even have a singular Weaver parlay.

    2 runs in the first
    3 runs by the second
    4runs by the 5th.

    Who wouldn’t put money on the Weaver trifecta parlay?

    • Mark Moore

      Yeah, but the odds would be even money, wouldn’t they?

    • doofus

      “There’s no gambling in baseball!”

  34. J

    It’s pretty incredible that Weaver’s ERA is likely to end up higher at the end of the day than it was when the day started.

  35. Jeff Morris

    In the first game, Not sure what the stats are for A Young pitching against left handers vs right handers, but that Pirates guy that hit the 3 run home run late in the game, was a right handed hitter. There were no better options in the bullpen to face this guy? I thought A Young only faced left handers out of the bullpen most of the time. Each of these games is crucial now….Bell has to really think through his decisions in close games, at the end of games.

    • Harry Stoner

      Bell only insists on rigid L/L or R/R pitching matchups until he doesn’t.

      If you try to make sense of his thinking you will only hurt yourself.

    • Mark Moore

      I was thinking he was a switch-hitter. That was also his first HR of the year (maybe in the bigs).

    • LarkinPhillips

      I dislike Bell more than anyone, but that was Youngs 3 batter faced and he was a pitch hitter. Bell couldn’t take him out. Young shouldn’t have walked the guy in front of him to get to a pitch hitter.

  36. Mark Moore

    Over the Pie-Rats pen and into ours. Nice blast.

  37. GPod

    seriously….is it possible Votto batting avg. could be under .200 at the end of this game….a DH should at least be able to hit better than your average pitcher

    • Mark Moore

      Oh, it’s possible. And a DH should be above the Mendoza Line in every case. Otherwise, it’s a complete waste of a slot in the batting order.

      It ends up becoming a 2-true-outcome spot … because BB’s are rare and it’s either whiff or blast (and more likely whiff).

      • GPod

        the pitcher batting was taken out & replaced with a DH…..yet we have a DH batting like a pitcher…..but he does hit a HR every once in a while, so there’s that

    • Old-school

      Votto has 2 home runs in his last 7 games and 5 in his last 15.. Hes good for doing nothing a couple more games. Check back in next weekend.

  38. Mark Moore

    Can we muster up a run without the incentive of having given up one in the inning before? Stay tuned to find out … 😛

  39. GPod

    Do most hitters just guess if the next pitch is gonna be a strike or not…it sure seems that way….Strand taking that strike 3 is an example…how could you take that pitch right over the plate on a 3-2 count?

    • Mark Moore

      My understanding is that good hitters anticipate. But I’m thinking we’re seeing a LOT of guessing.

      • GPod

        What ever happened to “see the ball, hit the ball”….or “protect the plate with 2 strikes”?

  40. Erik the Red

    Not sure I have ever seen a guy with 20 starts and almost a 7 ERA. Not sure Bell is completely at fault for A lot of teams could have found a warm body from the scrap heap and have had been at around a 5 ERA.

    • Mark Moore

      Not “completely” at fault … but if he’s not in Krall’s face demanding a better option, then that’s on him. Yeah, he has to work with what they give him, but he has to make noise when that’s not working well.

      • Ted Alfred

        My point is this: how in the hell is a guy like Kennedy at least not getting a shot considering his start at Washington was pretty good and he seems to have decent stuff and throws strikes. I don’t know how anybody could be much worse than the Dream Weaver, yet they just keep rolling him out there game after game to get destroyed and crush the bullpen
        One would think Bell has enough pull after 5 years that if he wanted Kennedy or someone else in the minors to get a couple starts inplace of Weaver they would have granted him that option, but for whatever reason he apparently is okay with Weaver getting his brains kicked in every 5th day for the entire year. Kind of on par with re-signing David Bell to another 3-year extension when he has literally done nothing for 5 years to show that he deserves it.

    • AllTheHype

      Well, he could have given Weaver the spot next to Hopkins and ley Duarte pitch 2 to open the game and go from there. Personally I don’t see how Richardson is not the better option, despite a 70-80ish pitch limit.

      • AllTheHype

        And I’m aware Richardson pitched yesterday but he didn’t have to.

    • Melvin

      We have warm bodies. We’re just not using them.

  41. Mark Moore

    So, with a LHP on, why didn’t TJ at least try to push a bunt down the third base line? At least on the first strike. Hayes is good, but I don’t think that even entered his mind over there.

    • Mark Moore

      OK, wasn’t Hayes, but still …

  42. Roger Garrett

    Bell not fooled by the Pirate skipper by hitting for Friedl.

  43. Mark Moore

    I’m speculating, but might EDLC have snagged that shot?

    And now the trouble returns.

  44. Roger Garrett

    Any takers Weaver doesn’t make it out of the 4th.

    • Mark Moore

      I would have thought 3 batters was the limit. I was wrong.

  45. RedBB

    Weaver is flat out GBage….this is on Krall

  46. Jeff Morris

    Hopefully this is the last start for Weaver, he is one reason our bullpen has to come in early in games. And, look at his high ERA!

    • Melvin

      “Hopefully this is the last start for Weaver”

      Seems like I’ve heard that before from multiple sources. lol

    • Doug

      That’s been the mantra for Weavers last 5 starts “Hopefully this is the last start for Weaver, he is one reason our bullpen has to come in early in games.”
      Sadly nothing ever changes

  47. Mark Moore

    Left Weaver in 3 batters too many … or maybe 4?

    For crying out loud … it’s time to do your job, HDTBell. 😮

  48. Melvin

    Our pen has been rested. So the question is why is Bell letting Weaver pitch but not Williamson earlier. Your guess?

  49. Melvin

    Interesting Phillips finished the game today and got the save.

    • AllTheHype

      That could be a great thing. He doesn’t have the arsenal or command for a ML starter. Could that change in the future? Sure, but not this year. But he would certainly be able to help the pen NOW.

      • Melvin

        “But he would certainly be able to help the pen NOW.”

        That’s what I was thinking. Guti and Antone would help too. Maybe even Santi.

      • AllTheHype

        I’m not big on Guti and certainly not Santi. I think Antone needs several more reps but he could help at some point. His velo is not what it used to be, but he’s throwing 4 pitches again which is good. He threw cutters today for the first time back, and CBs last 2 times out.

    • Roger Garrett

      Yeah went 2 + innings.Lively got hammered in the first for 6 runs.Took one for the team up here and he may never recover.Bats came back from down 6 to win 8-6

  50. AllTheHype

    Extremely disappointing that Krall didn’t try to seize the moment and instead gave Weaver 3+ starts after the deadline. Reds 0-2 so far. What would have been with Lorenzen starting?

  51. Mark Moore

    Moll in to scratch HTDBell’s LOOGY-while-I-can itch.

  52. Roger Garrett

    I am with Bell on this one.I have no clue either.Probably Williamson is wondering the same thing.

  53. Mark Moore

    Off topic, but did anyone see that Joe Kelly landed on the 15-day IL for the Dodgers?

  54. Roger Garrett

    Yeah saw that.Damaged goods in a trade?

    • Mark Moore

      Possibly. Couldn’t happen to a nicer team than LA, though I wouldn’t really wish injury on any given player.

  55. old-school

    Wait…4th inning and bullpen????? Game 1 Williamson was at 88 pitches winning needing 1 out inthe 5th and replaced by Sims who stunk.

    • AllTheHype

      Yeah and the ramifications of pulling WIlliamson early is that one reliever is not available for this game, and that guy is probably Law.

  56. Melvin

    Moll not walking the first batter he faces. He just needs to STOP IT! If he doesn’t he could mess up team chemistry. May turn out to be a bad trade.

  57. Mark Moore

    Get to test my in-game theory about only being able to score if the Pie-Rats pulled ahead.

  58. RedBB

    At this point I want the Reds to lose…mayhbe it will force Krall to realize he is not a genius and spend next year.

    • Mark Moore

      Krall doesn’t sign the checks. That purse is squeezed so tightly Mr. Lincoln’s eyes could leak tears.

  59. Dennis Westrick

    NO respectable ML team would continue to run a Luke Weaver out as a starter if they were serious about contending for a playoff spot! Weaver had another “typical” Weaver outing, 4 runs and nearly 80 pitches in 3.2 innings!

    A loss in this game and you can stick a fork in this team, as they are done!

    I would settle for a BP game instead of “hoping” for a miracle win when Weaver is imitating a ML pitcher! So frustrating to lose to one of the weak sisters in our Division!

    • RedBB

      Nick Krall…trying to save face for his AWFUL F- performance at he trade deadline would….

    • Harry Stoner

      Cut and paste:

      “Hopefully this is the last start for Weaver”

  60. Roger Garrett

    Nine pitches and 3 outs and I am out.GO REDS

  61. Dennis Westrick

    Reds headed for double-digit strikeouts again with 6 SOs thru 5 innings!

    • Harry Stoner

      “It’s not going to change who we are!”

  62. JB

    Well back from the garden and I see Weaver has done his job.

  63. JB

    I wonder how many times Sadak has said “Pitching change for the Reds” this year?

  64. Ted Alfred

    I know he gave up the dinger the other day to tie it in the 8th but I’m really impressed with Moll’s pitching. He is always around the plate throwing 3 or 4 different pitches, moving it in and out up and down…never throwing balls that are just complete waste pitches… and I think he’s under team control until 2027. I think that’s going to be end up being a very good trade for the Red!legs.

  65. Mark Moore

    Did we expect something different from a GIDP there?

  66. JB

    Ramos just trying to put it in play. Amazing what you can do when you aren’t swinging for a home run every swing.

  67. GPod

    do we ever think about starting a runner to stay out of a DP?

    • Mark Moore

      Or pinch-running somebody with just a little bit of speed at this point in the game?

  68. Mark Moore

    How many Pie-Rats coaches are getting rung up here tonight?

  69. Bet on Red

    So this is some excilent getting yourself ejected work here

  70. Melvin

    Thank you for icing your own pitcher.

  71. LT

    Can umpire eject a manager when a manager makes abad decision?

  72. Bet on Red

    pitching coach, manager and bench coach ejected… third base coach acting manager

  73. Mark Moore

    All that and we can’t capitalize. Just pathetic. That stupid GIDP looms very large. Somebody could have run for JV and at least given us a fighting chance.

  74. GPod

    again…can’t come up with the big hit…..that’s why you have lost 9 of 11 and a bull pen that can implode at the drop of a hat

    • Mark Moore

      Didn’t need a big one … a simple flair or a BB would have sufficed.

    • Mark A Verticchio

      I have been saying for awhile that this team, with Bell, wouldn’t play .500. If they lose this game 61 and 59 and any thoughts of the post season are gone. They will trail the Brewers by 4 and 1/2 and the Marlins by 1 and 1/2 and the Cubs by a game. What a sad way to start the month of August.

  75. Mark Moore

    How much do y’all want to bet this fires up the Pie-Rats given we couldn’t convert a run last inning?

    • GPod

      that pitcher for the pirates had an ERA of 9.90….at some point don’t you have to take advantage of a garbage pitcher like that and have an inning?

  76. JB

    Sadak said Connor Overton was warming up. What?

  77. Indy Red Man

    Crazy thought here, but Cruz is running 10x better then Sims so why not put Cruz in when you’re winning and Sims in when you’re losing

    • JB

      I don’t think it is crazy. He is striking out everybody with that splitter. It’s basically unhittable.

    • AllTheHype

      That’s akin to moving Benson up in the lineup.

    • Mark Moore

      That’s just the crazy and the booze talking now 😀

  78. JB

    We are such a strange backwards team. Rodriguez is one of the best in the game with top 20 pop time out of about 70 catchers. So we try stealing on him. Delay in the first game is one of the worst at 60. Yet they are hesitant.

  79. Jim

    What do we expect, over half of this years payroll goes to two players. Votto & Moustakes and their contribution to the team winning had been little to none!!

  80. LT

    Wheels are falling off the wagons collectively.

  81. JB

    That is the season. It was fun while it lasted.

  82. Mark Moore

    And I’ve seen enough tonight. Maybe Tuesday against the Guardrails.

    Been a very long day in the RLN. So many squandered opportunities again.

  83. CI3J

    The Reds won on August 1st against the Cubs to get to 59-49, 10 games over .500.

    They are about to be 61-59, only 2 games over .500.

    They have only won 2 games in August since that victory over the Cubs. It feels like a long time ago now.

    The team is in freefall, and Bell seems out of ideas, good, bad, or otherwise.

  84. Randoxu1

    Same thing in 2021. Same manager different players, sinking ship and no answers. Pitiful

  85. doofus

    Votto could have been on third if he busted out of the box instead of admiring the flight path of the ball. Nice example set.

    • Hanawi

      Not really worth it for him to take that risk as the leadoff batter in the inning.

  86. J

    I can’t help but wonder what this day would have been like if Bell had made the choices I would have made. Ramos would have started both games. Benson would hit at the top. Stephenson hits 9th. Votto probably sits at least one game, and definitely doesn’t hit any higher than 7th. If I’m absolutely forced to start Weaver because I’m being told I have no choice, there’s no way I’m leaving him in after we’ve tied it at 3. There would be some hitting-and-running.

  87. JB

    That Reynolds homer is looking huge right now

  88. doofus

    Why does the Pirate manager think that his rookie pitcher deserves a Greg Maddux strike zone?

  89. Melvin

    Ramos with three hits and a walk today. Think he’ll start next game?

    • JB

      Not a chance in H-E double hockey sticks. Fairchild will be back in.

  90. Indy Red Man

    I called for Ramos over Senzel or Newman atleast a month ago

  91. Mark A Verticchio

    Ramos is a much bigger threat than Fairchild. but Bell will star Fairchild Tuesday.

  92. Rick

    SF for Benson! Handedness!!
    Make me look ?

  93. JB

    Hopkins reminds me of Lopez last year. Bell wouldn’t play Lopez if his life depended on it.

  94. Mike Adams

    Pirates say “wham bam thank-you Newman!”
    Friedl could have struck out on 3 pitches

  95. Jeremiah

    Reds on the verge of losing 10 of 12 to two teams 4-5 games above .500 and 2 teams at least 10 under .500. Who would have thought, but makes me think again, it doesn’t matter really who you’re playing if you’re not playing well, or vice versa, if you’re playing well.

    As I write this, Fairchild ties the game. Boy it’s been a long time since the Reds won a comeback game. I’m still not expecting it tonight, but it would be fun if they could, breathe a little life into this faltering team!

    It just feels like kind of like 2021, who are the leaders on the Reds? Hardly anyone’s been to the playoffs (I think just Votto?). The good thing about this team is the core will be back, while with the 2021 team they were mostly traded off. Hopefully they are getting some good experience even if they struggle the rest of the way.

  96. RedsGettingBetter

    Maile and Newman struck outs is really awful

  97. Hanawi

    I didn’t like pinch-hitting for Benson, but Fairchild came through with a big one.

  98. JB

    Now that they tied it up, does the bullpen give it right back? They are good at that.

  99. Indy Red Man

    Farmer is definitely going so well. He’s the first guy I want in a tie game late

  100. GPod

    Farmer trying his best to give it all away

  101. Ozzie

    I disagree with Newman for Freidl. I get the handedness argument but pinch hitting, coming in cold off the bench, is hard. Few do it well. Freidl has seen a lot of pitches today. He’s in the flow of the game. That, to me, is worth more than a cold pinch hitter. Handedness is overrated for most guys. It is an issue for some. Let the best players play. If I were the better player I would be frustrated getting PH for so often on this team.

    • JB

      Friedl hitting .300 against lefties and Newman .280. Newman was doing well against lefties but that was a while ago. Just another dumb move.

      • Melvin

        Newman’s fortunes against RH pitching have been going down lately anyway if I’m not mistaken.

      • JB

        I would rather have Lopez up . At least for next year. Switch hitter and won’t take time away from the regulars.

  102. Melvin

    Farmer giving up his required walk. One down. Need a double play.

  103. Melvin

    Diaz should be rested with more off days coming. Use him as much as he can go tonight.

  104. GPod

    I don’t have a good feeling about Diaz here….not that I had a good feeling about Farmer

  105. JB

    Got him on the thumb. How could the ump miss that?

  106. Melvin

    I’m liking Maile more and more all the time.

    • Ted Alfred

      Me too…. he is a good defensive catcher and his hitting is definitely underrated. Also I don’t know if you’ve heard him speak before, but I heard him during a post-game interview a couple months back and he’s a very smart guy.

      I’m a big fan.

  107. CI3J

    Reds got very lucky that the Pirates made two bone-headed plays this inning, first bunting foul for strike 3, then getting picked off.

  108. J

    Diaz got the “walk the first guy” memo.

  109. Melvin

    Diaz is not exempt from the required walk. smh

  110. Indy Red Man

    Maile needs to be starting 4-5x a week. He’s better then Stephenson in every facet

    • Ted Alfred

      Preaching to the choir, I’ve been saying the same thing since April.

  111. Mark A Verticchio

    Diaz is not the same as prior to all star break.

  112. JB

    Bullpen playing with fire but get out of it.

  113. Melvin

    Excellent play by De La Cruz there.

  114. Rick

    Come on Matt, Elly, SS, & others, runs!

  115. LDS

    I bugged out for an hour plus and comeback to Bell has his little league hat on again – everybody plays regardless of circumstances. He has Stephenson left on the Bench possibly going extra innings . And once again wasting a guy pinch running. But at least Newman bumped Friedl. That Friedl gut has little utility and no veteran presence

    • JB

      Also hits left-handers better than Newman but who cares , right?

  116. doofus

    This Rodriquez fellow behind the plate for the Pirates is HORRIBLE at framing.

    • JB

      Couldn’t find anything on him but Stephenson is 54 out of 60. Believe it or not Stephenson is better than JT Realmuto

  117. JB

    Ahh there it is. The famous Reds check swing strike three.

    • J

      You might think after the 300th check swing strikeout these guys would have enough pride to stop doing it, but you’d be wrong.

  118. Rick

    Steer had a good one. Forgot about it.

  119. Indy Red Man

    Votto ghost runner…lol. If we get there

    • LDS

      Seems appropriate – he’s a ghost hitter. No one appears to worry about pitching to him these days.

  120. Mark A Verticchio

    Let’s face it the magic this team once had is long gone. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.

  121. GPod

    why do I feel the season is hanging in the air on this game….it would be a big win if we could just find a way….that last pitcher for Pitt. had an ERA of over 10….that usually means that he’s hittable you would think

  122. Indy Red Man

    We don’t have Lorenzen, but any pitchers that could run for Votto?

    • Melvin

      We don’t have many athletic pitchers. lol

  123. JB

    Extra innings. Bell-” get Sims up. I’m ending this now. I don’t care if he pitched earlier. “

  124. Melvin

    Diaz got it done now the offense has to get it done without Benson, Ramos, who has three hits and a walk, and Friedl.

  125. Melvin

    I didn’t know Stephenson was that much faster than Votto to pinch run for him. lol

      • Melvin

        Yeah I know. I was thinking that too. David Bell does not want to deal with any “Little League” mothers for not playing her son. lol

  126. Roger Garrett

    Bell shot all his bullets.Not surprising heck it may work out.

  127. old-school

    Joey Votto is 1- Pittsburgh and played 1b 2/3 games. Thats 1-10. When do the Reds get serious about winning? Its not playing Votto every day at first base.

  128. J

    If only Bell hadn’t unnecessarily pinch hit for Friedl, he could pinch run with someone other than a catcher. Managing is hard.

  129. Rick

    Yeah, don’t have a strategy to move a runner to 3rd

  130. doofus

    We get the lead in the 10th and our manager has already burned his closer.

    Why did Krall not get relief help at the deadline?

  131. Indy Red Man

    Stuey! I’d push Diaz some more. Monday & Thursday off and we need this one

  132. J

    Seriously? You’re taking strike three in that situation? And with Newman on deck? What is wrong with the players on this team? Did they all just skip Little League?

  133. Rick

    Gosh, whomever.
    Come on guys gotta take this one.

  134. Jeff Morris

    Wonder in the last month or more, how many times have the Reds batters struck out. Also, wonder how many walks the Reds pitchers, partially the bullpen has allowed all year.

    • JB

      Bullpen has given up 212 walks. Only Oakland,K.C. and Colorado have given up more.

  135. GPod

    this looking at strike 3 with a man in scoring position is driving me nuts!

  136. Indy Red Man

    Whole bullpen pitches and gives up less then Weaver

  137. old-school

    27 th man being called on to save a DH when Williamson had game 1 in the bad pitching great. Hope Duarte delivers.

  138. Melvin

    Didn’t walk the first batter. May be hope yet. 🙂 K

    • Rick

      On the one above post.
      I bet that Brandon is too.
      He’s going to have to watch his body language with the umps moving forward, but I like the fact that he’s got some dog in him & a plan of attacking his given opponent.

  139. GPod

    just one more out to save the season…can they do it?

  140. Bet on Red

    how about that….. salvage the series

    • Melvin

      Once in a while….if you believe. 🙂

  141. Indy Red Man

    I’m looking at the last wildcard. SF has a bear of a schedule and Miami isn’t that good. Reds have a favorable September too if they ever play well again

    • GPod

      our ace in the hole is the 2 top pitchers getting back….as long as the offense can get back to scoring more than 3 runs a game

  142. JB

    Will this comeback turn the tide for them?

  143. LT

    One of the most unlikely wins of the season given the circumstances. Stu provided the tying run and the winning. Did that ever happen before?

  144. Mark A Verticchio

    Big win but they really miss Fraley, the best bet would be to let Ramos take his play and hope for the best. If Bell insists on Fairchild let him platoon with Votto. He also needs to give Hopkins a chance, what is there to lose.

  145. J

    Bell’s a genius. There’s just no other explanation.

  146. RedsGettingBetter

    Well, could this win mean something good for the remaining of the season?

    • Rick

      Game at a time was always my approach as a manager. Keep winning and handle your own business. Hot streaks, cold streaks can skew opponents records, injuries etc. Who’s hot, who’s not, can play a bigger role.
      Like our guys during that 12-0 win streak we were white hot beating everyone, then we cooled way off shortly afterwards.

    • Andrew Brewer

      Winning two of three for the rest of session should put us in the playoffs. This series begins that campaign.

    • TR

      With a month and a half to go in the regular season, anything can happen. I’ll take it a game and a series at a time. Enjoy baseball while it’s still being played.

  147. LDS

    2 out of 3. Better pitching management and it would have been a sweep. Considering that Bell has pinch run for “Wheels” Stephenson when he standing on 3rd, making him the ghost runner for Votto is both humorous and poetic.

  148. J

    I’m so glad the Pirates didn’t bunt in that situation, because I think that probably wins them the game. But great outing for Duarte, regardless. No walks! No HBPs! No wild pitches! That kind of poise isn’t exactly I’ve come to expect from Reds relievers in those kinds of situations….

  149. Mark A Verticchio

    They need to go at least 3 and 2 this week, puts them 5 over with a long 10 game road trip that would make or break the season to end August. A 6 and 4 west coast trip would put them in for a chance in September. Don’t count on this happening.

  150. JB

    Farmer and Sims need to go. They are toast. IL them to get about 10 days rest.

  151. Roger Garrett

    Yep get Reynolds and Antone or Leguimina up here tomorrow.Buck is 32 and Sims 30 time to move on.Duarte has some good stuff and 97 is much better the either one of them.

  152. J

    Luke Weaver still having just four losses this season has to be one of the weirdest stats in the history of baseball. Cessa also has four losses.

    • Rick

      That is still just hard to fathom. Ripley’s believe it or not level.

  153. Andrew Brewer

    Yeah, this still reminds me of the early season Reds, but we’ll take the win. It was sorely needed. Duarte finished it off well. The 9-2 win in the first game, showed us that the Reds can still play well, and they had just enough in this one to get the win in 10.

  154. Protime

    In spite of Bell, they won. Ramos, needs to play more. Sometimes you need to be more lucky than good. In this case, it play out in their favor. Think if you will, if we had a competent manager, versus the losses he has caused the team. He’s not the only weak link. Krall and ownership certainly did him no favors by not being more active prior to and at the trade deadline. A dysfunctional organization. They have met the enemy, and it is them…