The Cincinnati Reds (55-47) just cannot beat the Milwaukee Brewers (56-45) in 2023. Last night saw the Brewers win on a walk-off single by Christian Yelich and the Reds record drop to 2-9 against the team they’re chasing in the NL Central.

But as the saying goes, “If at first you don’t succeed, try, try again.” The Reds will try again tonight and hope to succeed. Andrew Abbott takes the mound for Cincinnati, and he’ll be opposed by all-star pitcher Corbin Burnes. First pitch is at 8:10 pm EDT.


Cincinnati Reds

Milwaukee Brewers

3B Elly De La Cruz LF Christian Yelich
CF T.J. Friedl DH William Contreras
SS Matt McLain SS Willy Adames
DH Jake Fraley 3B Andruw Monasterio
2B Jonathan India CF Joey Wiemer
1B Joey Votto 1B Owen Miller
LF Spencer Steer C Victor Caratini
RF Will Benson 2B Jahmai Jones
C Luke Maile RF Blake Perkins


Starting Pitchers

Andrew Abbott 55.2 2.10 0.92 18 57
Corbin Burnes 121.1 3.49 1.06 42 125
Links: Andrew Abbott’s Stats | Corbin Burnes’ Stats

Andrew Abbott

Abbott is coming off the best start of his young career, a one-hit shutout in eight innings against the San Francisco Giants. He now gets to face the team that he’s already faced three times in the two months he’s been a Red. He’s had mixed results in those three starts. In 16.1 innings, he’s given up eight runs on 13 hits with 15 strikeouts and seven walks. However, six of those runs came on July 7 in Milwaukee when he didn’t make it through the fifth inning. His starts against the Brewers at GABP have both been quality starts, but he did give up two solo home runs to Christian Yelich and William Contreras at GABP. I guess it’s no coincidence they are hitting first and second in the Brewers lineup tonight.


RHH 169 27 5 1 7 10% 24% .179 .260 .364
LHH 44 6 0 0 1 2% 39% .140 .159 .209

Pitch Usage

4-Seam Curve Slider Change
Velo 92.8 80.7 82.9 86.6
Usage 49.9% 16.7% 18.1% 15.3%


Corbin Burnes

If you delve into Corbin Burnes’ stats, he really has not performed like he has in the past. Yes, he still strikes out hitters at a high rate and his ERA is a solid 3.49, but he’s also walked 42 batters, nine shy of his entire total last season, and his ERA is the highest it’s been since 2019 when he predominantly appeared out of the bullpen.

Why then does it feel like he’s going to be the Cy Young winner every time he’s pitched against the Reds this season? Well, it’s because he’s faced the Reds lineup three times already in 2023 (more than any other team), and the Reds have one of the lowest batting averages against him at .117. They also have a .254 OBP against Burnes, and in 71 plate appearances against him, Reds batters have struck out 26 times. Fourth times a charm for the Reds?


RHH 236 46 6 0 9 7% 22% .215 .284 .369
LHH 256 41 4 1 5 10% 29% .181 .266 .274

Pitch Usage

4-Seam 2-Seam Cutter Curve Slider Change
Velo 95.5 95.4 94.4 79.8 88.0 89.3
Usage 0.3% 8.7% 53.8% 17.9% 6.8% 12.6%


  • Time: 8:10 pm EDT
  • Place: American Family Field, Milwaukee, Wisconsin
  • Weather: 84 degrees, hazy sunshine, 0 percent chance of rain
  • Roof Prediction: Open
  • TV: Bally Sports Ohio
  • Radio: 700 WLW

News and Notes

Bullpen Help Coming Soon?

Tejay Antone started a rehab assignment today.


Minor League Pitcher of the Week

Reds prospect Connor Phillips was named International League Pitcher of the Week. This is not the first time he’s received pitcher of the week honors.


2024 Spring Training Schedule Released

Thinking of planning a trip to 2024 spring training? It just got easier to do so, as the 2024 schedule dropped today. 


370 Responses

  1. Mark Moore

    Ashley – here’s hoping you are the good luck charm tonight that breaks this spell and we run Burnes out of Miller Park (that’s what it will always be to me).

    Almost time to Kick Bernie in his Beer Gut!!!

    • LT

      If you fail at first , try and try again, that’s for sure. But if you do the same thing and expect different result, we all know what it’s called. But a broken clock works every 12 hrs. We’re at the 11th game tonight. We have a good chance. 12th game, that’s a lock for us to get a W. I really hope so.

      • Mark Moore

        One former boss used to say, “Even a blind hog finds an acorn now and then.”

  2. J

    Today is going to be the day when the Reds start being selective at the plate. They’re going to take advantage of Burnes’ control problems, get a lot of favorable counts, draw some walks, and force him to throw a lot of pitches. Plus, they’ll attempt to steal every time it makes sense to steal, and they’ll probably try a couple hit-and-run plays. Also, Bell is going to chat with the home plate umpire before the game and make sure he understands he isn’t supposed call the balls and strikes based on what the catcher is doing, so the Reds won’t be at a huge disadvantage this time. And, for good measure, before the game starts Bell is going to revise the batting order to bring it more in line with the players’ 2023 performances.

    This is the day when everything falls into place.

    • Dennis Westrick

      Hope you’re right! Need to run up the pitch count on Burnes early in this game and not get into another tied or one (1) run game where the Brewers can use their closer, Devin Williams!

  3. Dennis Westrick

    Looking back and looking forward! Milwaukee’s veterans (Yelich, Contreras and Adames) know how to win close games! That, and the fact that Bell has used half of the bullpen in Game 1, I do not envision the Reds winning a single game in this series! In fact, I have little, if any, confidence that the Reds will win at least one game when the go to LA after this series is over! Therefore, the Reds will likely be 4 to 5 games behind Milwaukee when they finish this 10-game road trip with 4 games against the Stupid Cubs in Chicago!

    To add insult to injury, the Cubs have crept back into the NL Central Wild Card picture, now only 5 games out of the 3rd spot! That will give the Cubs even more motivation to beat the Reds in the upcoming series! Ian Happ will be his usual Reds killer!

    I wish I could be more hopeful but that’s what my gut is telling me! Hope I’m wrong!

    • Mike Adams

      “…that’s what my gut is telling me!”
      Maybe it is something you ate?
      Hope you are playing opposites or reverse psychology.
      I ain’t sharing my fears just my wants, desires, cheering:
      Go Reds, beat them down!

      • Dennis Westrick

        Yes, reverse psychology with a jinx kicker!

  4. Melvin

    Being positive is great. Let’s win. Sure wish though we had the guy in the lineup who we wish was on the team last series we played the Brewers but wasn’t. Not to mention any names. Maybe just initials. 😉 Guess we’ll have a stronger bench.

    • Mark Moore

      Do NOT go there, Melvin. It’s not worth it and only upsets Dennis … 😛

      • Dennis Westrick

        Everything upsets Dennis these days! Walks, Bell’s Relief Pitcher Roulette, etc.!

    • Harry Stoner

      You mean “the minor leaguer”?

      • Steve Schoenbaechler

        Living in your head rent free still Harry? The smoke is a little thick in here.

  5. old-school

    Votto is 2-43 since the wade Miley game.
    Facts folks.

    • Mike Adams

      Well, if Miley messed him up maybe when Votto faces him again it will straighten him out?

    • LDS

      So what? It’s Joey Votto. He doesn’t need the rest that the young guys do. He’s going to start. Veteran presence, don’t you know. Personally, Votto should ask to be taken out of the lineup, if he had meant any of those things he has said in the past. Obviously, he didn’t.

  6. GreatRedLegsFan

    Corbin Burnes has the Reds measured, it’s going to be a tough game.

    • Mark Moore

      Measured … like for a pine box? 😮

  7. Mark Moore

    The daily interview with HDTBell just played. Fortunately, it got cut off by a commercial from the TV feed. Our uber-brilliant Field Manager was on his usual bit about how hard the guys try and they know every run is important. He even stated that Friedl isn’t afraid to bunt for a hit. Based on that comment alone, I’m not quite sure which game he watched last night.

    That’s it for me tonight with HDTBell comments. It doesn’t change anything and ultimately just aggravates my blood pressure … so I’ll stop right there before I start.

    Have I mentioned y’all are the best and make even these frustrating games bearable?

    • Harry Stoner

      Right back at you, Mark.

      The thought that I might help make David Bell bearable is high praise indeed.

    • Steve Schoenbaechler

      Careful, Mark. You aren’t allowed to question Bell around here.

  8. old-school

    This is a big game. See which guys for the Reds hit Cy young. Joey Votto is beyond due at 2-43. Hes paid to hit righties.

  9. Mark Moore

    “And so it begins”

    An extra 5,000 points to the first person who correctly responds with where that quote comes from. Hint: Epic Movie line.

    • Tim

      Theodin. I can defend my own keep. I hope Abbott can too.


  10. Mark Moore

    Have I mentioned recently that I REALLY don’t like Adames?

  11. Indy Red Man

    Should’ve been 3-0 to Freidl and McLain follows with a hit. These bs ball strike calls are killing us

  12. Mark Moore

    Is you-know-who gushing about Burnes and Adames yet?

  13. Indy Red Man

    All they really needed to start this trip was not to get swept in Milwaukee or LA. Everything else should fall into place

    • Votto4life

      Agree. Winning today or tomorrow and they will be fine. Even if they are swept, they will be fine.

  14. LDS

    EDLC was hitting .297 in the #4 slot. He’s less than half that at the lead off spot. In fact, he’s hitting worse than Barrero was when he was sent down. India is down since moving out of the lead off slot. Does Bell ever look at the numbers the players are putting up? Nope.

    • Harry Stoner

      It may be counter-cultural these days, but I’m a pretty committed believer that coincidence doesn’t imply causation.

      EDLC has been on a downward trend for quite awhile. That .297 snapshot isn’t very telling.

      But I’m also a believer that Bell doesn’t really lock into the results of his actions.

      • LDS

        Employees, whether ball players or any other job, have an image of their role on a team. India was the spark plug – get on base and start things. EDLC a disruptive, rbi guy. It shouldn’t matter is the argument, but that’s not what they told us in grad school. How one perceives their role affects performance. Some adjust quickly, some more slowly, and some not at all.

      • Harry Stoner

        Again, that may be a predictor of performance or not.

        EDLC is suffering from an inability to read and neutralize off speed pitching.

        To categorize him as RBI disruptor is highly premature.

        “Raw talent getting used to MLB pitching”.is more like it.

        India is chasing the same down and away pitch over and over and over.

        Whether this is a result of their position in the batting order or not is highly and dubiously presumptuous.

        But it is an easy enough thing to test.

        But of course, that would require a manager with the huevos to do so.

      • Steve Schoenbaechler

        Yes, Bell doesn’t keep players in a batting order slot for 2 months slumping, especially when they have had known success in another slot.

      • Steve Schoenbaechler

        You are correct, LDS. It can be quite common for players to prefer certain spots in the batting order. India has said he prefers to leadoff, not the 3 hole. And, the numbers show it.

        It’s similar to how some players going down in the order, they take that as a demotion, where some being raised in the batting order, take it as a promotion.

        To understand this, though, you have to understand athlete psychology. Coaches of over 30 years will understand this.

  15. Indy Red Man

    Ok let Contreras beat you away. Again. For the 30th time

    • old-school

      At least Adames seems too have been neutralized

  16. Harry Stoner

    Abbott is relying on the unique strategy of throwing strikes.

  17. Mike Adams

    Guys, I think if AA can pitch a nine inning shutout the Reds can win this one!

    • LT

      Not sure about that. We will play until Brewers score and win.

  18. Melvin

    Barrero with another homer. What is that? Hits in 16 out of 17 games? Crazy.

    • LDS

      It’s amazing what playing every day will do for a player. Or being free of Bell.

      • Mike Adams

        maybe Votto should play every day—no, wait–nevermind….

      • Melvin

        Maybe Votto should get some tips from the AAA hitting coach. 🙂

  19. Friedl Green Tomatoes

    Thank goodness CES was kept out of the lineup so Votto could play today. I hate it when we get production from 1st base.

  20. Mark A Verticchio

    The Reds contact is so soft vs the Brewers. scouting.

  21. Harry Stoner

    India Ks on the same down and away out of the zone pitch that’s been bedeviling him for weeks.

    He gets set up for it time and again, but just can’t seem to resist.

    Burne just following the script.

    It’s as predictable as it is hard to watch.

    • Mark Moore

      May have to change the name to the Cincinnati Sneetches. We learned early on that “you can’t teach a Sneetch”

      Or maybe that should be my new name for the Chumpires 😀

    • VaRedsFan

      Full Suarez and Frazier….without the power.

  22. Indy Red Man

    Milwaukee makes me question if this team can really score on any solid starters. They’ll beat up scrubs, but scrubs don’t make the playoffs

  23. Gregmlb

    I don’t understand what has happened to this team. They used to give Quality ABs and work counts, but now they just seem to swing about anything that pitchers throw up there. It’s like they started hitting HRs and now they just sell out. Not sure if anyone else sees that way.

    • J

      Oh, definitely. They started hitting home runs, everyone got excited about them, and now they’re all hacking away. Nobody other than Benson seems to be interested in walking on even a semi-regular basis (so, naturally, you’ve got that guy hitting 8th and 9th).

    • Redgoggles

      And hitting the other way. Thats fun too.

      Hey, look. Old man helps out.

  24. Mark Moore

    Balk move doesn’t go our way after all. Our Field Manager remains in the game.

    • J

      He’s saving himself for an 8th inning meltdown. It’s too early to get the team fired up.

  25. old-school

    This is tough to watch. Someone has to step up for the Reds offensively. No way I am trading any prospects x lower level guys for controlled bullpen arms. SP is answering the bell. Hitters arent. Bullpen is hitting the dead arm phase of the year.

  26. Mark Moore

    If that doesn’t go our way I’m going to lose my mind. Welsh confirming Votto held the ball a bit.

    How did the 2nd Base Sneetch miss that one?

  27. Votto4life

    Seriously, umpires have just been terrible all season. They really need to start holding these guys accountable.

    • Mark Moore

      It’s pathetic and growing worse. They know replay will handle it, so apparently they don’t try to get it right.

      And don’t add any fuel to my burning fire about the Phantom/Flex-o/Bizzarro Zone every stinking night!!!

  28. Beaufort Red

    Votto can’t even play defense anymore. Do you really think he meant it that if he couldn’t contribute anymore he would step aside. Or was it just lip service. I think Votto is gonna force their hand.

    • Melvin

      That play was NOT on Votto. Cowboy – “That’s on Abbott”.

  29. Mark Moore

    Funny thing about baseball. At this level, you rarely get on if you don’t take the bat off your shoulder.

    • J

      Benson has 24 walks, and should have at least 26.

  30. Indy Red Man

    Cheated again. Almost every inning now
    Dude is 6’5 you blind &@

  31. Mark A Verticchio

    The umps suck but the Reds need to fight to overcome it, that what good team do.

    • Mark Moore

      Yep. Accept it as a given and go from there.

    • Dennis Westrick

      Good teams not only overcome the opposition but sometimes the umpires too!

  32. J

    Benson has his second walk in two days stolen by a bad call. Maybe Bell should say something to an umpire at some point.

  33. Votto4life

    I’m not sure if the Brewers are in the Red’s heads but, by reading these comments, they sure are in this group’s heads.

    We are still in July. Nothing that happens this week will make or break the Red’s season.

    • J

      That’s the kind of mentality that leads to a team falling way out of first place in July…

      • Votto4life

        you might not be aware, but nothing we say here makes one bit of difference in the pennant race.

      • Steve Schoenbaechler

        Not necessarily. Oh, not good to ever lose, but not necessarily that to a single team.

  34. Dennis Westrick

    Just watched Bell’s post-game briefing from last night’s game! Watching Bell talk about the game is like watching a State Trooper describe a multi-car crash on the interstate!

    Bell is about as energetic as a Sloth on Quaaludes!

  35. Indy Red Man

    Disagree. No team overcomes 1 walk and 1 K stolen from them every # game. We get 26 they get 28

  36. Hanawi

    Brewers have the Reds scouted to a T. It’s like Groundhog Day watching some of these games.

  37. old-school

    Joey votto sucks at first base. Give me a freaking break. Slower than a sloth

    • Steve Schoenbaechler

      Everybody sucks today.

  38. Friedl Green Tomatoes

    At least Votto plays a better 1st base than CES, right?

  39. Mark A Verticchio

    Votto has to charge the ball.

  40. Mark Moore

    Hesitation again. Both Abbott and Joey. Against a still relatively fast Yelich hitting from the left side.

    Fundamental mistake. I do believe any of our other 1B resources would have charged and taken it themselves.

    • Hanawi

      I don’t know about that. Steer didn’t exactly have a stellar defensive game at 1st the other day.

    • Hanawi

      Finally showing some patience and not getting killed by bad umpiring

  41. Indy Red Man

    Abbott? Why is the old man retreating on a dribbler? Any kind of athlete and that’s 3 unassisted

  42. Old-school

    Geritol Joey….this guy cant play baseball. Bench him. He cant play first base and he cant hit and he cant run.

    If the reds want to win….Votto is benched

    • LT

      TS had 2 hits yesterday and he’s out of the game today so that Votto can play. Are we really into winning?

  43. Mark Moore

    Abbott out of a minor jam. He’s pitching his tail off again. Somebody go pick up Jobu from wherever he’s hanging out drinking and get him to the dugout IMMEDIATELY.

    • Steve Schoenbaechler

      I don’t like his pitch count.

  44. J

    I didn’t like the way Votto played that ball, but that’s the way he’s been playing first base his entire career. Pitcher needs to recognize a ball to the right side and get over there, not assume his first baseman is going to charge the ball. That was Abbott’s mistake and I’m sure he’d be the first to admit it.

    • Mark Moore

      I don’t disagree about Abbott’s hesitation. But JV was a bit quicker in a former life. And that was practically a dribbler. He really should have charged it a couple steps and then stepped on 1st.

      • J

        Oh, I remember 10 years ago complaining about Votto always insisting on throwing to the pitcher instead of taking it himself. I really don’t think he would have handled it any differently in his prime.

  45. Mark Moore

    I love Joey. I really do. Employee #19 has meant so much to this club during these dark days. But he promised us. And I want to believe he’s a man of his word. Work something out and fade into the sunset.

    • LT

      I hate to break it to you but please don’t hope. It’s a dangerous thing and I am serious this time.

      • Mark Moore

        I know. It’s sad because of how he presented it. It tells us something about him at the core.

  46. Dennis Westrick

    They say a team is a reflection of their manager and that the manager is supposed to be both a teacher and a mentor! If that’s the case and Bell was a mentor for Thomas Edison in an earlier life, we would still be using candles!

  47. LT

    We’re halfway to bullpen. Just saying

  48. J

    HBP and walk — I’m guessing this means swing at anything?

  49. RedsGettingBetter

    5-ball walk to McLain…. The ump favoring Brewers again

  50. Beroader

    McLain walked on Ball 5. Hopefully the wheels are coming off on Burnes. Fingers crossed.

  51. JB

    Out of 69 catchers, Caratini is 67th in poptime. Friedl standing at 1st.

  52. Harry Stoner

    Good AB by McLain.

    A couple of his teammates would have gladly flailed at those pitches out of the zone.

    Kudos to Burne for tempting him.

  53. JB

    Runs are hard to come by. But God forbid we try to move the runners up by bunting.

  54. LT

    Situational baseball and we failed again.

  55. LT

    Is it real? India drove in a run against Burnes?

  56. Mark Moore

    A little bit of luck there. I do think it clipped the base which helped.

    • Mark Moore

      There you go. Good outcome … FINALLY!!!

      And no, he’s not off the Schneid.

    • Mark Moore

      I saw it as well. So if it is a dream, it’s a weird, shared experience. I’m thinking Peyote induced.

  57. old-school

    Votto 3-45

    India and Votto get 2 runs with soft contact.

    • LDS

      Here we go, “Joey is back”. He’s not. CES and Stephenson should be playing, not Votto and Maile

      • Hanawi

        Huh? I can’t celebrate him getting a hit and driving in a run?

      • Votto4life

        Hanawi no that’s not permitted. We try to stick to negative thoughts here.

      • LDS

        No we stick to reality. He’s not helping the team or his HOF prospects for that matter.

      • Hanawi

        He’s not helping his team by driving in one of the two runs they have scored? He was the only one that hit Burnes the first time he pitched against the Reds too.

      • LDS

        As @Old-School noted, that makes him 3-45. He had a good run but his time has passed.

      • wkuchad

        Just sad LDS – over 90% of your posts are negative. If someone wants to be excited about a play, let them.

      • LDS

        Winning is what matters. This team doesn’t do that consistently. Yes, they are more fun than in years past. But, they are poorly managed. Votto should have retired a while ago. It’s time for the Reds to move in a new direction and neither Bell, DJ, and Votto are helping with that.

      • Steve Schoenbaechler

        For LDS, you just keep posting whatever you want.

        For wku, so you make a negative post about someone making a negative post?

  58. LT

    I immediately turned over to the weather channel to see if hell has indeed frozen over in summer.

    • Mark Moore

      In the middle of what amounts to a global heat wave no less.

  59. Mark Moore

    No, Spencer. That actually was not low. Entire ball within the zone.

  60. JB

    Who cares who is at the plate. Steal the base and you might get a pass ball. Caratini is the worse catcher in the league poptime.

    • Mark Moore

      And Burnes isn’t exactly “Mr. Speedy Delivery” either.

  61. J

    Someday, somewhere, somehow, this “best base-stealing team” is going to attempt to steal a base in a situation when it makes sense to steal a base. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, maybe not in my lifetime, but someday.

    • Harry Stoner

      Or the manager might wake up from his somnambulism and direct someone to do so.

      I’m sure Bell has given them all the green light, but that just removes the responsibility from him.

      Strategically, Bell is very weak.

      • J

        Bell prefers not to tell his players what to do. He prefers to let them

      • Steve Schoenbaechler

        Harry, complaining about Bell? How dare you?

    • Redgoggles

      Agreed. Take the aggression to them, especially the Brewers. Otherwise, we are playing into their hands.

      I’m not sure if it is a change in strategy, or just better scouting and Elly not getting on base lol.

      • Mark Moore

        Elly not getting on definitely plays a part in that equation. As we all said with BHam, you can’t steal 1st base.

  62. Tim

    Joey got a hit. Joey got a hit. Joey got a hit

  63. old-school

    Awesome outfield defense and relay

    Wow. Fun baseball.

  64. Redbone

    Mono gunned down at the plate with a nice play!

  65. Mark Moore

    Great relay throw after what amounts to a misplay in RF by Benson. Kudos to India for his pivot and throw right to Maile.

    • old-school

      I think Benson was decoying there. He wasnt catching that. He put his glove up to slow the runner.

      • VaRedsFan

        2 outs…no decoy necessary…running hard all the way

    • Melvin

      Yeah. Benson had trouble going back on that ball.

  66. Melvin

    Good job on the 9-4-2 out at home. 🙂

  67. Redgoggles

    Is it too early to start worrying about innings 7-9?

    • Mark Moore

      Sadly, it is not. We tend to start thinking about that somewhere around the 2nd or 3rd some nights.

  68. Redbone

    I hate Wisconsin, Milyucki, Craig Counsel, Liberals and the Packers!

    • wkuchad

      I hate bringing in politics where it doesn’t belong

    • Friedl Green Tomatoes

      No accounting for taste, I guess.

  69. Mark Moore

    Thrall and Welsh both rambling on about how they want to keep the human HP Chumpire element as part of the game. It’s played by humans and should be officiated by humans.

    What a crock of BS. We’re not looking for “perfect”. We’re looking for consistent, especially within the same game.

    I’m thinking the challenge system is the next best step to take.

    • Mark Moore

      And Welsh is saying to take away the box so you have to guess like the Chumpires do. I guess he doesn’t understand that the viewing fans demand as much data as we can consume. That box is part of it. As is the Umpire Scorecard. You can’t un-ring that bell.

    • Melvin

      The “challenge system” keeps both. That’s why I’m all for it.

    • Friedl Green Tomatoes

      So Thrall and Welsh are luddites. By that logic, I assume they’re against automation of any kind. “Cars are driven by humans, they should all be hand-built by humans!”

  70. LT

    How good is Yelich? If there is runners in base, please just walk him

  71. Old-school

    Andrew Abbott is absurd folks.

    HEs beating Cy Young….literally

  72. JB

    Reds have a number one pitcher. He is standing on the mound.

  73. Redbone

    Abbott looks well ahead of Greene, Ashcraft and Lodolo at this point! A true pitcher if you will.

    • Mark Moore

      Just wonder when he hits the limit for innings. He’s the type of pitcher I don’t want to see burned out this year in sacrifice of several years to come.

  74. J

    There are a few guys on this team who wouldn’t take a walk right now even if you tried to walk them intentionally.

  75. Old-school

    Why the Reds need Bullpen arms. I hope they shut this down but no clue who does it. They are burned up. Bullpen Dead arm period.

    • Mark Moore

      Our own version of the Deadpool, eh?

  76. RedsGettingBetter

    Abbott sending out-of-gas signals

    • wkuchad

      Really hoping he can get through this 6th unscathed.

  77. Mark Moore

    Not the best time to nibble, Mr. Abbott.

  78. Mark Moore

    That’ll do, Andrew.

    Looks like he gets to try and finish the 6th. That would give him another QS.

  79. Redbone

    Looks like Abbott pitched about 220 Innings last year.

  80. JB

    7,8,9 are going to be fingernail biting time.

    • Mark Moore

      All the way to the 2nd knuckle I’ll wager.

    • RedsGettingBetter

      Maybe Duarte, Gibaut and Sims are available to those horror frames…If the offense could score a couple of more runs would be fantastic…

  81. VaRedsFan

    Anybody selling insurance???
    I’m buyin’

  82. J

    Abbott is a pretty good pitcher in my opinion.

  83. Mark Moore

    Welsh is a little confused as to who is pitching for the Bernies. Or so it would appear.

    • Mark Moore

      I miss Cowboy in the booth with Thrall. Tonight more than ever.

  84. Brian Rutherford

    “Front Row Amy” had had more work done than the Brent Spence bridge.

    • Mark Moore

      I’ve not seen this person. This is the second mention of her.

      • JB

        She is sitting to the left of home plate . Front row

    • JB

      Amy has those girls stuffed in tight quarters tonight. Holy moly

  85. Matt McWax

    Fine, fine outing by Abbott. It looks like we could have a playoff caliber 1-2-3 in the future with Abbott, Lowder and Greene. One of the other guys could take a step forward as well. I like the chances of finding a good 4 and 5 out of Lodolo, Ashcraft, Williamson, Phillips, and Petty.

    • Indy Red Man

      Ashcraft and Burnes stuff not that unlike. Actually give Sadak credit there. I predict GA will be better then Greene

      • VaRedsFan

        Burnes throws 4 pitches for strikes.
        GA only has 2 so far

  86. Indy Red Man

    Only suggestion to AA is trust that changeup a little more. He could cut his pitch count down with some weak contact or K the guy quicker. That one K on the change (Perkins?) was beautiful. He’s a tactician out there

    • Gregmlb

      Love it that you’re giving pitching advice to the Reds best pitcher. I’m sure he’s thinking “how can I throw more pitches?”This comment section is the best!

  87. Matt McWax

    Sadak loves to talk about bad catcher metrics.

    • Mark Moore

      Your first four words were sufficient to describe him. Sadak loves to talk. Full stop.

  88. Matt McWax

    Walking Maile, must make them pay.

  89. old-school

    Maile is ok? Hes not bad offensively and he catches and throws ok and he s pretty good with Abbott???

    • Matt McWax

      He’s been real solid but he is the #9 and not named Benson, who also walked. I hope Uribe never gets full command of that 93 mph slider and 102 fb.

  90. Hanawi

    Not sure why Uribe didn’t throw sliders to Benson or Maile. He struck out Votto with them and has fooled EDLC as well.

  91. LarkinPhillips

    Threw Elly 4 balls in a row. And the count is 1-2. He has to stop trying to be the hero every swing of every AB.

    • Redgoggles

      Hey, look. They didn’t start their stud rookie either. Counsel, Jr.

      • Redgoggles

        Oops I didn’t mean this to be a reply. I totally agree with Ellys approach though. His speed is tamed a bit if he’s just a HR hitter.

  92. J

    Bottom two guys in the order are trying to reach base, and they do. Most other guys are trying to crush the ball, and they don’t.

  93. Old-school

    Reds have 3 hits…and are winning.

    Bullpen is gassed. Hope they win this game.

  94. Bigbill

    When can we say that Joey needs to call it a day? He is just overmatched and can’t hit any breaking pitch.

    • Friedl Green Tomatoes

      “We” have been saying it for a couple weeks now. But unfortunately, that is up to Votto, Bell and Krall. Votto is too selfish and egotistical to make good on his promise, Bell is too spineless to do what is necessary. Only hope would be Krall DFAing him, and that would be a really sad outcome.

  95. CI3J

    Here’s a crazy stat for you:

    Since June 1st, Will Benson has started in 32 games.

    Of those, he has failed to reach base in only 5 of them.

    That means in 84% of the games Will Benson has started, he’s gotten on base at least once.

    That’s madness.

    • J

      An equally crazy stat is the number of times he’s hit 8 or 9 in the order during that stretch.

    • JB

      Those five games I probably had bets on him.

    • Friedl Green Tomatoes

      Amazing what can happen when you develop some plate discipline and don’t just swing wildly at everything the pitcher throws. Elly should be taking notes.

  96. J

    I’m convinced Bell has never told one player to take one pitch.

  97. LT

    I don’t think I saw this Uribe guy before? Do Brewers just add another reliever that throws in triple digit?

    • Hanawi

      He pitched in the game where Elly stole home. Has some nasty stuff but is a bit wild.

  98. Mark Moore

    Benson and Fraley definitely can track those in front of them and make some spectacular catches.

  99. Melvin

    Always an adventure with Benson but he got the job done. 🙂

  100. Mark Moore

    These 8:10 starts are KILLING me!!!

  101. LarkinPhillips

    Last night and tonight have to be two of the worst umpired games at home plate I have seen. Big missed calls against the reds over and over.

    • JB

      There was an ump named Munoz who was so terrible I had to look him up the next day to see what his score was.

      • SR

        I believe he came through Venezuela baseball league. He was awful.

  102. Mark Moore

    Lost him. And that kid is pretty fast. Bike Helmets aren’t likely. Just need to protect the lead here.

  103. Reddawg2012

    I 100% thought Yelich hit that ball out to left to tie the game. Wowzers.

  104. LarkinPhillips

    Great job of getting 4 outs there Gibaut.

  105. J

    I always have a completely irrational sense of confidence whenever Gibaut is pitching. The guy is just so calm, his delivery so easy… I just find it more relaxing to watch him pitch than any other Reds reliever. And sometimes he even manages to get guys out.

  106. Mark Moore

    OK, India. You have ONE JOB here.

  107. Indy Red Man

    Fraley rarely goes hitless if he’s getting righties all night

  108. J

    That was a perfect squeeze opportunity, but of course that would require the manager asking a player to do something.

  109. Indy Red Man

    India is just #’n dreadful with a man on 3rd and less then 2 outs

  110. Redbone

    At least India did not go DP there.

  111. Mark Moore

    It’s not nice to strand your friends who are just looking for a lift home.

  112. RedsGettingBetter

    Lost nice chance to add an insurance run… India can’t respond again with RISP and less than 2 out…

    • Harry Stoner

      He’s not the run producer as anticipated.

      Bell is stymied by what to do with EDLC.

      Effecting a lot of things in the batting order.

      Elly needs to start hitting again.

  113. VaRedsFan

    perfect time for squeeze.

  114. Harry Stoner

    Which Sims will appear tonight?

  115. Mark Moore

    Second night in a row where Joey bats (unsuccessfully) and then Senzel comes into the game taking his slot. Baffling to me.

  116. Mark Moore

    Lead off BB for Dennis, of course.

  117. Redgoggles

    Telling that Milwaukee doesn’t even bring in a LH to face Votto.

  118. Reddawg2012

    I am rapidly losing faith in this bullpen. Not because I think they’re all bad, but because it just seems like everyone is exhausted.

    • Mark Moore

      Exactly. Not enough fresh arms anywhere in the system to fix that either.

  119. J

    It’s just so incredible they don’t attempt to squeeze in that situation. You’ve got a guy who’s been terrible at driving in runners from third, speed on the bases, one run would be HUGE in that situation, and of course Bell prefers to sit there and do nothing.

  120. redbone

    This site is moderated with no allowance for any sense of humor! I will miss a few posters.

    • Mark Moore

      What are you talking about? Doug doesn’t have any auto-moderation set on the site. He has a “swear filter” but nothing else. We had some trouble a season or more ago with stuff going to moderation for unknown reasons, but hardly a whiff of that this year.

  121. Mark Moore

    Can we possibly add on even one run here? That would feel HUGE at this point. Bernie may not want to lose, but he doesn’t want to fire all his bullets tonight either.

  122. Indy Red Man

    Sims 24 pitches but we’re off Thursday and it was a zero. 3 more outs

  123. J

    Maybe Reds pitchers should just intentionally walk the first hitter to save themselves a few pitches, and then they can get down to business. A lot of them seem to be pretty good after they get the obligatory walk out of the way.

      • Mark Moore

        I watched the bullpen in person for 2 games in DC. Seemed like they took a pretty standard approach to me.

      • J

        My only hunch is that it’s a product of wanting to strike everyone out.

  124. RedsGettingBetter

    Sims throwing a lot of pitches in the recent outings so he is unable to be used in back to back games

  125. Kywhi

    I’m thinking the Reds would have baseball’s best record if only Bell and Krall would consult with a couple of the managerial geniuses on this site before they ever made a move.

    • J

      Or just use some basic common sense. Either one would work.

    • Beaufort Red

      Baseball’s best record? Seriously?

      • Kywhi

        I was being sarcastic. Some if you whiners are obviously newcomers to Reds fandom.

  126. Redgoggles

    We really need to launch a 9th inning attack. To help whoever our closer is tonight, but to also get deeper into their bullpen for tomorrow.

  127. Mark Moore

    Looked kind of like a kidney punch at first. But it hit something solid.

  128. J

    There’s that #9 hitter striking again…

    • J

      Sorry, I forgot he got bumped up to 8 tonight. Maybe 7 tomorrow? Let’s see if he can handle the pressure.

  129. Indy Red Man

    That’s a hit n jog. That’ll work too

  130. Mark Moore

    That makes me feel a LOT better.

    • LT

      That is the hit that break the Carmel back so to speak

  131. Melvin

    There’s a BIG hit by Benson. Four run cushion now. 🙂

  132. Redgoggles

    Benson responds to being raised in the lineup!

  133. Steve Schoenbaechler

    Benson does it again. This young man deserves more AB’s.

  134. Mark Moore

    The Bernie faithful are beginning to head for the exit gates. That’s a REALLY good feeling.

  135. Indy Red Man

    Duarte? Why not Cruz? Duarte will end up getting Diaz in the game anyway

  136. J


    So easy for me to type those names in that order. Took almost no time at all.

    • Steve Schoenbaechler

      You need to understand something. This is all a part of Bell’s master plan. Just because it goes against tradition, that doesn’t mean it’s wrong.

      Hahaha. . .sorry, I just had to hear that one more time. Bell simply doesn’t understand that much about baseball. That’s why he’s never managed in the majors before.

  137. Friedl Green Tomatoes

    Elly literally could’ve walked to first base if he never took the bat off his shoulder. Pitchers has thrown him 7 balls and counting…

    • Friedl Green Tomatoes

      Aaand he strikes out on ball 8.

      • Redgoggles

        I hope he learns this. It is really limiting his ceiling at this point. And very much neutralizes his best (imo) asset; SPEED!

      • Steve Schoenbaechler

        “But, he hit a HR last night.”

        And, how did that HR help tonight?

    • Friedl Green Tomatoes

      Big agree. He’s already the best, most consistent hitter in this lineup. Crazy to consider that he was essentially a part of the deal that brought CES and Steer. Krall committed grand larceny on that one.

  138. Mark Moore

    So, sit EDLC and weaken the defense or play him and create nearly an automatic out (of late).

    Or …

    Play him and bump him down to about 7th until he gets his head straight again.

    • Friedl Green Tomatoes

      Swap Elly and Benson. He needs ABs if he’s ever going to improve, but minimize the negative impact of his current ineptitude.

    • MBS

      I’m leaving EDLC right where he is, what he’s going through isn’t about his spot in the lineup. He’s had 2 HR in the last 3 games, and that with 1 being robbed yesterday. More AB’s, not less for EDLC imo.

      • Friedl Green Tomatoes

        No, it’s about immaturity and failing to realize that his greatest weapon isn’t his power. Currently, he’s much like Adames. Home run or bust, which leaves his speed wasted. He’s a much greater asset to this team with a .350+ OBP than he is as a .200 hitter with 25 or 30+ home runs. If we can one day get both, wonderful, but right now we can’t.

      • Steve Schoenbaechler

        Exactly, MBS, it’s not about his spot in the lineup. But, right now, he’s getting too many AB’s for how he is batting. HR’s are highlight reels. Has he hit a HR in each of the last 13 games? Last 30 games? We need to consider what goes on between the HR’s.

  139. Indy Red Man

    Elly has to take a walk. Swung at ball 4 twice

  140. Beaufort Red

    Too bad Elly wasn’t there to mug for Benson’s homer. He to busy hacking.

  141. Mark Moore

    Oh I’m glad it’s an afternoon game tomorrow and an off day on Thursday.

  142. J

    Duarte: “Oops, almost forgot to walk someone.”

    • Mark Moore

      My mistake. THIS is it.

      Stupid swinging bunt.

  143. Harry Stoner

    Duarte just can’t put a .211 hitter away.

    So he gets Yelich w 2 on.

  144. Melvin

    So much for not using Diaz tonight.

  145. Mark Moore

    First pitch complete cement mixer cookie.

    • Mark Moore

      Have to believe this is the end of the line for Duarte.

  146. Harry Stoner

    Duarte displaying a serious lack of mental toughness.

  147. VaRedsFan

    No reason to throw Perkins a changeup….he cant break an egg

  148. Redgoggles

    Hope Diaz arm doesn’t fall off tonight. It’s a shame. Starts with Weaver’s short starts every single 5th day. Fix it front office. Please.

  149. Mark Moore

    Good thing we played some add-on. Thanks to Steer for taking one for the team and Benson for taking one downtown.

    Diaz vs. Contreras for the win tonight. I’m thinking Diaz won’t miss this one.

  150. VaRedsFan

    Elly defense is great. Even though he isnt hitting

  151. Melvin

    Wow. Big game ending play by De La Cruz….hopefully.

    • Melvin

      He’s safe unfortunately. Another blown call by the umpire. Sure looks that way.

  152. Mark Moore

    Of course they challenge. Nothing to lose doing it.

    And EDLC reminds us why we want him in the line-up. And for me, why we want him playing 3rd base.

  153. Mark Moore

    NUTS!!! That’s getting overturned.

    At least Adames will be swinging wildly.

  154. Melvin

    We just can’t kill these Brewers. They won’t die.

    • RedsMonk65

      Like cockroaches. Hate those things.

  155. J

    Bell doesn’t have a “take” sign, a “squeeze” sign, or a “throw to first” sign.

  156. Melvin

    Brewers don’t freeze up during pressure. They keep pouring it on with stolen bases.

  157. RedsGettingBetter

    The problem is the lot of unnecessary walks given by the Reds’ relievers… The walks will haunt at any moment… Sam Frelick walks at 1-2 count and 2 outs …unacceptable… Thankfully Díaz just threw 2 pitches to win the game finally… What a hateful Brewers team…

    • RedsGettingBetter

      Unbelievable the last out was overtuned , anyway Reds win but there was a lot of more drama…The Brewers are so hateful team

    • J

      It was 4-0 with two outs and bad hitter. Should have been nothing but fastballs right down the middle. These guys just don’t know when to stop trying to strike everyone out.

  158. Melvin

    Yikes. I bet that hurt. Concusssion?

  159. Redgoggles

    Up 4-0, no one on with one strike to go…… this?

    No worries.

  160. JB

    Rediculous. Shouldn’t have been that close.

  161. Mark Moore

    It’s a good thing I didn’t start that new book yet. I’ll have to pass on any reading again tonight.

    We pulled it off and lost the monkey for tonight. Catch you all tomorrow afternoon.

    • Kywhi

      Actually, it’s a good thing the Reds players don’t give up as often as you do when you call a “Clete.”

  162. CI3J


    Geez, the Brewers are so annoying to play.

  163. Rick

    Can Abbott come back & set up & close tomorrow. Lol

  164. J

    With that easy victory out of the way, here’s my wish list for tomorrow:

    1) Benson moves up to 7th to see if he can handle the pressure.
    2) Elly out of the leadoff spot. Maybe down to 6.
    3) CES gets to play.
    4) Someone tries to steal a base in a situation where it makes sense to steal.
    5) Someone other than Benson tries to draw a walk.

  165. B-town Fan

    You have to put a wood stake in them they won’t die.

  166. William

    GM: Hope the pitching help comes sooner rather than later.

    • J

      Nah, it’s impossible to make a trade for pitching until five seconds before the trade deadline. Many people have explained this to me. (The Braves and Rangers apparently don’t know this rule, but the Reds do.)

      • Melvin

        Yeah. The Rangers cheated us out of Chapman. 🙂

    • RedsMonk65

      Only, let’s put them away early. We need a blowout in the worst way. How about a 10-run second inning…Reds win 12-3? That would be most welcome.

      • Melvin

        “How about a 10-run second inning…Reds win 12-3? That would be most welcome.”

        Weaver pitching tomorrow? 😉

  167. JA

    Not only a big win, a mentally win.

    Corbin earned the loss

    • Rick

      Yes, a big big mental win. Confidence builder.

  168. Mark A Verticchio

    It is becoming more and more obvious that the Reds need another stud reliever to rake pressure off Diaz and they can’t wait for Antone.

    • Harry Stoner

      A more obvious and likely more pressing need than an MOR sp.

    • Rick

      That what I’ve been saying as well. It’s a must not a luxury..

    • Steve Schoenbaechler

      Any pitching.

      And, I’m not counting on any of them to be effective coming back. Not from injury. Not being a negative ninny. But, if you plan on them to be effective, don’t make a move, and they aren’t effective, then we are back on the burner even worse.

      I mean, I can understand any move Krall decides to make here. No trade, then Krall is just going to have to work the phones most the rest of the season probably just to keep arms fresh.

      If he goes all in, then we may lose a lot of our future, but, again, we are going for it.

      I prefer something in the middle. Starter or reliever? I could understand either way. Because starters and relievers need some help. And, again, if Krall goes either way, I still believe he’s going to be on the phones the rest of the season to make plans to have fresh arms.

  169. Protime

    A tough win! It’s the beauty of the game. The last out is always the hardest….

  170. Rick

    Krall needs to work the hoot owl shift tonight and get us a good backend bullpen arm to help Diaz out.
    Abbott was awesome yet again.
    Benson we love you dude.

  171. David

    As Marty would say, “This was a real frog-strangler!”

  172. Steve Schoenbaechler

    Wish DD could have closed the deal. Did fine on the first 2. But, that’s what can happen with youth.

    • VaRedsFan

      4 run lead…1 out to go…can’t walk a batter

  173. Steve Schoenbaechler

    Ashley Davis, you might be a lucky charm!