Cincinnati and San Francisco couldn’t complete their game that start last night thanks to heavy rains that came through the area in the 8th inning and continued throughout the night. With the game tied up at 2-2, the two clubs will return to the field today at 5:40pm ET to complete the game. It will be followed by the regularly scheduled game. Game two will begin at 7:20pm ET.

To catch up on the game that began on Monday, check out Tom Mitsoff’s write up from last night.

Below you’ll find all of the information for the regularly scheduled game.

Starting Lineups

San Francisco Giants

Cincinnati Reds

LaMonte Wade Jr. – 1B Elly De La Cruz – SS
Joc Pederson – LF TJ Friedl – CF
Wilmer Flores – DH Matt McLain – 2B
Michael Conforto – RF Jake Fraley – RF
Mike Yastrzemski – CF Jonathan India – DH
J.D. Davis – 3B Joey Votto – 1B
Blake Sabol – C Spencer Steer – 3B
Brett Wisely – 2B Will Benson – LF
Casey Schmitt – SS Curt Casali – C
Anthony DeSclafani – RHP Luke Weaver – RHP

Starting Pitchers

Luke Weaver 73.1 7.00 1.62 23 58
Anthony DeSclafani 93.1 4.44 1.19 18 72
Links: Luke Weaver’s Stats | Anthony DeSclafani’s Stats

Luke Weaver

Entering the game tonight, Weaver is sporting an ERA of 7.00 and he’s had one solid start since the start of June – he allowed two runs in 5.0 innings on July 3rd. Despite all of that, the Reds have won each of his last eight starts (his ERA is 8.66 in those eight starts).

While both lefties and righties have hit well against Weaver this season, righties have really crushed him. Right-handed hitters don’t walk much at all against him, but they hit for an average high enough that it would lead the league most years and have a slugging percentage over .600. Lefties walk a lot more often, but they aren’t walking much overall. They also make a lot more contact while hitting for a good average and showing plenty of power.


RHH 180 57 14 1 11 9 37 .339 .378 .631
LHH 155 39 10 2 6 14 21 .279 .342 .507

Pitch Usage

4-seam Cutter Curve Change
Velo 93.9 86.6 81.7 85.9
Usage 44% 18% 14% 23%

Anthony DeSclafani

It’s been 17 days since Anthony DeSclafani last pitched in a big league game, but he did pitch on the 13th out in Arizona on a rehab assignment after he was placed on the injured list with shoulder fatigue.

Left-handed hitters find far more success against DeSclafani than right-handed hitters do. They don’t walk much at all, but they hit for a good average and a good amount of power, while also making plenty of contact. Right-handed hitters also don’t walk much at all, but they also don’t hit for much average and only have mediocre power output against him.

RHH 185 39 9 0 6 10 41 .228 .283 .386
LHH 201 54 14 1 6 8 31 .289 .318 .471

Pitch Usage

4-seam 2-seam Curve Slider Change
Velo 93.2 93.1 82.3 87.4 86.4
Usage 13% 27% 5% 44% 10%

When and Where

  • Game time: 5:40pm ET / TBA
  • Where: Great American Ball Park
  • Watch: Bally Sports Ohio,
  • Listen: 700 WLW AM (Cincinnati area)
  • Forecast: 82°, cloudy, 15% chance of rain

News and Notes

Tony Santillan called up for the doubleheader

With teams allowed to expand the roster by one player on days in which they play a doubleheader, the Reds have called up reliever Tony Santillan to give them an additional pitcher if needed.

ZiPS likes what it’s seen from Matt McLain and Elly De La Cruz

Dan Szymborski ran some updated ZiPS projections for next year and the system spit out the numbers indicating that Matt McLain and Elly De La Cruz have done more this season than anyone in baseball to improve their projections for next year when compared to what those projections for 2024 looked like before the season began.

Luke Weaver……


Team W L GB Playoff Odds
Brewers 52 42 0.0 72.2%
Reds 50 44 2.0 22.8%
Cubs 43 50 8.5 5.7%
Pirates 41 53 11.0 0.6%
Cardinals 41 53 11.0 8.2%
Playoff Odds via Fangraphs

729 Responses

  1. Friedl Green Tomatoes

    I always knew that Dream Weaver kid was gonna be one for the record books.

    • Harry Stoner

      Dream Weaver.
      I believe he can make it through the night.

      • Tom Mitsoff

        You have more faith than me, Gary Wright. 😉

  2. wkuchad

    Can we just switch starting pitchers tonight please?

  3. Rick

    Let’s go Redlegs this is our house!
    Only today matters each time you play!

  4. Melvin

    I’m for starting Diaz to go all out to win the first one then go from there.

    • Rick

      Yeah, it’s high leverage when play starts.

    • Tom Mitsoff

      I’m liking your line of thought. Gotta get a strikeout of that first batter at least, considering how weak the Reds’ hitting has been recently. If that works and the game remains tied, they still have Sims, Gibaut, Law, Duarte, Santillan and Farmer (probably in that order) to pitch the ninth and any subsequent innings.

  5. Daytonnati

    Raining sideways in Mason right now. Hope it is not heading South 🙂

    • Rick

      Williamson has already pitched so we may be good:)

      • Rick

        Yeah, it looked gray behind Larkin & Sadak:(

  6. Melvin

    I’m not sure Bally is going to show the remainder of the first game unfortunately. Looks like radio and Gameday.

  7. Mike Adams

    Let’s win two this evening, shall we?

    • Tom Mitsoff

      That would be acceptable. 🙂

    • Tom Mitsoff

      As a wise sage used to say, you can’t win two if you don’t win the first one.

      • Rick

        Utt most importance on this suspended game for sure.

  8. west larry

    Are we i another rain delay? any idea when the game will start?

    • Tom Mitsoff

      That’s the way you draw it up!

  9. Daytonnati

    Well, Sims sets up a play at any base.

  10. Melvin

    Well. We got a force at every base now.

  11. Rick

    Forget that I called for Diaz!

    • Tom Mitsoff

      (yelling and whooping in my empty living room) 🙂

    • Melvin

      I didn’t call for Diaz. Did you call for Diaz? 😉

      • Rick

        I owned mine. I won’t make that mistake again. Lol

  12. Mark Moore

    OK, everybody breath. I’ve been holding mine for about 21 hours.

  13. Tom Mitsoff

    With the way things have been going for this team recently, I really didn’t expect to escape that situation. Let’s get a run or six.

  14. Indy Red Man

    Now Benson is pulling is head. That’s all we need. Still have a feeling McLain gets a walk off of some sort

    • Jim Walker

      I was just checking Benson’s recent K rate because it seemed to me the league might be catching up to him a bit.

      Since July 1, 10K in 38 PA (26.3%). At least his OBP is hanging in over that period at around 40% because his BB rate is still 16-17% and his BA ~.290 for the same period.

  15. Reddawg2012

    What has happened to our hitters man 🙁

    • Rick

      Pressure maybe, or fatigue from the 12 game win streak.
      Energy is not there in the body language.

    • Steve Schoenbaechler

      Other teams have learned how to pitch and defend them. They made adjustments. And, we haven’t made any adjustments back.

      This isn’t AAA. This is the majors.

      • Reddawg2012

        Really? I had no idea. Thank you for clarifying that the Reds are a MLB team.

  16. RedsGettingBetter

    I think Sims and Diaz won’t be available for the regular scheduled game

    • Tom Mitsoff

      Interesting point. I was just thinking about when I was younger and they played numerous doubleheaders. If memory serves, relievers would frequently pitch in both games. Not sure how that will work tonight.

  17. Mark Moore

    Need to end it here. And that doesn’t mean EDLC should swing for the stands. Get on, get over, get in. That’s what was working and how we need to play. Everything else will fall in line.

    • Tom Mitsoff

      Avoiding a strikeout will be a good start.

    • Melvin

      Okay. Well make sure your direct line to the dugout is working. 🙂

  18. Tom Mitsoff

    Man, I am so tired of the obvious pitches being missed by the home plate umps.

  19. Tom Mitsoff

    I hit and run with Friedl instead of bunt.

    • VaRedsFan

      Never bunt there….
      Steal the bag.

  20. Melvin

    WooHoo! Walk to De La Cruz! Great AB.

  21. Mark Moore

    Oh he’s in. Better get overturned.

    • SteveAReno

      The veterans set up the rookie for that out. They knew he was going so he lost the element of surprise which is critical for a SB.

  22. Tom Mitsoff

    Replay shows EDLC is safe at second.

  23. VaRedsFan

    Bailey has a true gun.
    Looks safe though.

  24. Mark Moore

    And it’s erased on a TOOTBLAN (sort of, good pick-off move)

    • Steve Schoenbaechler

      Again, characteristic of a young team.

  25. Indy Red Man

    Then 4 straight balls to Freidl and cheated out of that. Daily event now

  26. Mark Moore

    2 outs instead of 1 with a man on 3rd. Not the way to win the “opener”.

    • Beroader

      We’ve beat ourselves in a few of these close games. Friedl throwing home against the Brewers in particular.

  27. Friedl Green Tomatoes

    Elly could’ve been on third with one out, if he’d just played it smart and trusted in his teammates. Definitely still has a lot to learn.

  28. Mark Moore

    That inning gets a big Stink. Fish. Pot!!! from me

    • Tom Mitsoff

      It really feels like they can’t get out of their own way during this recent stretch. Clearly they’re seeing very good pitching, but if you’re good, you have to be able to deal with that.

  29. Beaufort Red

    Sometimes I think EDLC thinks he’s still in the minors where he is heads above his competition. He’s in the bigs now. That may cost us the game. Hope not.

  30. Reddawg2012

    Inexcusable by Elly and will likely cost us the game. I know he’s young, but I would be ticked at my 10 year old for making that mistake. Just brutal.

    • Steve Schoenbaechler

      Characteristic of a young team.

  31. MK

    So Sims can only face three batters? Stupid, stupid, stupid. Then burn Diaz for an inning, So your best bullets are gone now Gibaut.

  32. Mark Moore

    That could seal Game 1 given the way we’re playing. Missed opportunities abound.

  33. Indy Red Man

    Another one bites the dust. Just because you’re young doesn’t mean you can make dumb mistakes. Bell needs to address that s, but I’ve been saying that for 3-4 years.

  34. Roger Garrett

    Fundamental baseball by Flores to get the second run to third base.We are not in this game mentally and haven’t been even before the break.

    • VaRedsFan

      Yup. Votto, a lefty, failed to do so earlier.

  35. VaRedsFan

    Got to get the out at 1st once you are on the ground India.
    No chance.

    • Redlegs1869

      100%. And Larkin says “great job by India. He was never going to get him, but he had to try.” Are you kidding me? A HOF player says this. No way to get him but he’s gotta try? No. No. No. you take the out. India had to know when he dove there was no way. Not even close.

      • Chris

        I loved Larkin as a player but I just can’t stand his kissing of everyone’s backside as a player analyst. He is just horrible.

  36. Mark Moore

    History says we can score the runs we need. Recent history says we came out of a week-long rest looking listless and gassed.

    Who shows up for the bottom of the 10th?

    • Tom Mitsoff

      Part of the problem is that the Reds are recently always tied or slightly behind heading to the final inning, meaning they always get the other team’s closer. Today will be no exception.

    • Reddawg2012

      I think we all know how the bottom of the 10th is going to go.

  37. LT

    Nothing is going for us. Very frustrating.

  38. Mark A Verticchio

    Bell just doesn’t help this team. His use of the bull pen is awful and the fact that his players are making mental mistakes is on him.

    • Tom Mitsoff

      What would you have done differently as manager? In this game, I mean? I presume that’s what prompted your comment, but my apologies if I am incorrect.

    • VaRedsFan

      The fact that mental mistakes are repeated is so much a reflection of the manager.
      No consequences. No wonder the players like him (allegedly).
      It’s like parents that don’t discipline their kids.

  39. J

    People will blame Elly’s mistake on youth and inexperience, but veterans on this team make plenty of stupid mistakes. There’s no emphasis on playing smart baseball. It’s just “do whatever you feel like doing; the situation doesn’t matter.” There are no take signs, virtually no hit-and-runs, no squeeze plays, etc., because Bell won’t demand anything of anyone. They need players to be “leaders” because otherwise there’s no leadership.

    • Friedl Green Tomatoes

      Absolutely. Bell is the “cool dad” that lets them do whatever they want with zero repercussions. Of course they like playing for him. Who wouldn’t love a job where their manager that lets them skate by regardless of their performance? They’re the least disciplined team in baseball, and that’s on Bell.

    • Steve Schoenbaechler

      Veterans? What veterans? India? This is only his 3rd season. Stephenson? 4th season, if you count 8 games in his 1st season. Votto? What mistakes has he made like getting picked off?

      Fact is, this team has no veterans besides Votto. And, Votto has avoided the leadership position for years. I’m talking this. . .for example, who’s the player who’s going to call a closed-door players-only meeting? I don’t see Votto doing that. He’s been helping some others, but he’s no leader.

      That’s what his team has been missing.. That’s another reason I didn’t think CES would help. These players need to make their adjustments. Many times, they need veterans, leaders, to show them how to do this. How to work at this level. How to apply yourself at this level. Someone that can hold other players accountable. Like this scene from Major League:

      • J

        A player in his third season has had plenty of opportunities to receive proper coaching. If that guy still doesn’t know what he’s doing, he’s not going to know five years from now. And rookies should be MORE afraid of making mistakes, not less. They should be MORE careful not to get picked off when they’re the potential winning run. Rookies playing for Bell know they have nothing to worry about.

        What mistakes has Votto made? How about taking strike three down the middle in a situation where taking strike three is absolutely the worst thing you can do? That happened yesterday. If he simply puts s ball in play the Reds might have won. Terrible mistake. As if he completely forgot the situation.

      • Steve Schoenbaechler

        India has been burned by Bell trying to make him a 3 hole (now a 5 hole hitter). For the last 2 months, his slash line has been horrible. India has said he prefers to leadoff. India has excelled at leading off, has the mentality to leadoff. Quite apparent he doesn’t have the mentality to hit in the 3 hole.

        But, Bell keeps rolling out the same old batting order.

        Quite obvious all of these young guns are making mistakes right now, afraid or not. So, where’s the player accountability?

        You’ve never seen Votto take a call strike 3 down the middle? They’ve all done it. But, which of these players have over 12 years experience in the major leagues, with the same team. Which of these players has an MVP? Again, Votto has earned his right not to be sit.

  40. Mark Moore

    Wait … what??? Now that missed out by India looms big.

    • Mark Moore

      Or did I lose count in the middle of that mess?

  41. Roger Garrett

    Now I will not blame this on a lack of leadership in the dugout or on the field but somebody has to step up and help right the ship.Reds are just giving games away.

    • Daytonnati

      It does feel like they might be on the cusp of a slump becoming a swoon.

    • Steve Schoenbaechler

      That’s exactly what it is. Characteristic of a young team with no leadership.

  42. RedsGettingBetter

    I think the team is playing bad baseball right now in addition to face very good teams all gonna be translated into losses… I was afraid of this strech before the trade deadline could put the Reds far from contention , hopefully it won’t be that way

    • Tom Mitsoff

      They just aren’t hitting and can’t hit at the moment. No baseball team can look good when that is the case.

      • Roger Garrett

        Your right Tom because hitting covers up a lot of things.Reds did a lot of the same stuff when they won 12 in a row as they are doing now its just winning covers it up or there is little or no talk about it.If we win this game all of the not so good stuff is forgotten replace by what a comeback.

    • Friedl Green Tomatoes

      It’s time to accept this team is going nowhere this year. They gave us an exhilarating month, and a glimpse at a very bright future; the rebuild is ahead of schedule, but it’s still very much a rebuild, and trading away prospects for a rental would’ve been a big mistake. First round playoff elimination or missing the playoffs entirely, let’s ride with what we’ve got and look to next year and beyond.

      • Steve Schoenbaechler

        Did you expect anything more?

  43. Mark A Verticchio

    Bell has no idea of the sense of urgency idea. They really needed this game. Diaz should have pitched the 10th period.

  44. Gpod

    Not only are the Reds playing the worst baseball at this time…physically & mentally…I am forced to listen to the options of Sadek (terrible) Larkin (bad) & Welch, play by play on the radio (no!!!)

  45. Mark Moore

    That terrible zone is just adding gas to the fire.

    • Melvin

      Yes. It’s very hard to be a good hitter when you don’t know what the strike zone is going to be every game.

  46. Reddawg2012

    Why are Reds fans only allowed one month of enjoyable baseball? Is it a karma thing? Do I need to donate more to charity or something? Please advise. I’ll do whatever it takes.

  47. Indy Red Man

    S product with these umps. If this was happening over and over to LA or the Yankees then they’d do something, but not the flyover Reds.

    • Rick

      Yeah, that was not fun. Root canal territory.

  48. Mark Moore

    I’m genuinely on the fence as to whether or not I want to watch the “main show” tonight. I’m just sick of mediocrity and what I perceive as a lack of discipline. Sure, mistakes happen, but we’re seeing so many strung together so often.

    To be continued … maybe.

  49. Melvin

    Well that’s not the way we wanted it to go is it? We had em….and lost em.

  50. Willaim

    I thought we had them beat with De La Cruz on second.

  51. Chris

    Getting sick and tired of stupid mistakes on the field by this team. This is two games in a row that you could argue were lost due to just bad baseball. Friedl lost the game by allowing a runner to go to 2nd on a stupid throw from CF, and now Elly getting picked off 2nd with no outs in the 9th. Bell has got to address this nonsense.

    • Doc

      When you only have four hits as a team and three of those are by the same player it is very hard to make the case that mistakes on the field cost you the game. The team is not hitting, therefore not scoring.

      The extra inning situation is a manufactured crap shoot and not reflective of real baseball.

      • Chris

        Did you watch this game tonight? Elly on 2nd with no outs. They didn’t need another hit to win the game. Did you watch the game on Sunday? Friedl’s throw to home on a tag from 3rd enabled the runner to go to 2nd base, and he eventually scored, when he wouldn’t have. That was the game. With the pitching we have had, this was two games that we gave away, whether we hit or not.

      • Steve Schoenbaechler

        Many times, that’s what wins games. Not getting picked off. Hitting the cut off man. And so on. Fundamentally sound baseball.

        But, everyone wants to see the highlight reel. Then, they think, “That’s the kind of baseball they are playing? Alright!” They never consider what goes on in between.

        As for Bell, he is what he is, a bottom of the barrel manager.

    • Roger Garrett

      Bell will always deliver the company line to the media.The one about how he believes in these guys and all the good stuff and he should do exactly that.I have no clue if the media asks him any tough questions like did you have any thing to say to such and such about this play or that play.I hope there are some conversations going on about them but again I don’t know

      • Votto4life

        These days, the local media is just an extension of the Red’s Public Relations department.

    • Votto4life

      Agreed. I would be shock if Bell addresses it. Friedle shouldn’t have started this game because of his bone head play on Sunday. I guarantee he you Elly and Friedle will be starting the night cap.

      For those who wanted this season to be about “sorting” (BTW, dumbest thing I have ever heard of) you now have your wish.

      • Chris

        I wouldn’t bench either of them. You don’t have to bench two of your best players to address an issue. You address the team about stupid baseball, and then if it continues you address individuals.

      • Steve Schoenbaechler

        You have to have player accountability somehow. The only person on this team who has earned any right not to be benched is Votto. Everyone else can be riding the pine at some point still for a day or two.

        Or, even having a closed-door players-only meeting, for a leader to step up and hold players accountable. Something.

        I referred earlier to this scene from Major League. Sure, it’s just a movie, but you have to hold players accountable:

  52. Indy Red Man

    It happens to India every day. A phantom strike that leads to a K. I’d get suspended if I was him, but I’d & +#”n good and well get my money’s worth

    • Chris

      Him and Spencer get burned every time lately.

  53. Roger Garrett

    Hope we score a few in game 2 but this is looking rather bad right now.Never even scored the ghost runner that time.

  54. Mike Adams

    Looks like instead of winning two I need to change my hope to the Reds at least being competitive and playing better in the second game.
    Is it my imagination or have the Brewers and Giants been throwing mostly breaking pitches? Seems like there were few fastballs.
    No fastballs in the bottom of the tenth.

    • Friedl Green Tomatoes

      As Burnes said, “soft and down”. The scouting report is out and the honeymoon is over for these rookies. It’s their turn to make the adjustment, but whether they do is entirely up to them because David Bell sure isn’t gonna pressure them to do so.

      • Mike Adams

        How exactly does the Reds’ staff and batting coaches work with these rookies on recognizing and hitting those pitches?
        If it is just batting practice stuff that is useless.
        They need their own pitchers to throw that stuff at game speed while it is being recorded. After they watch then go back at it again.
        If the only effort to make adjustments is to make trite statements like, “lay off that low and outside stuff, rookie” or “stop swinging at that breaking stuff” that won’t work.
        Does anybody know how they try to teach the rookies in season?

      • Friedl Green Tomatoes

        Mike, for example, when you know they’re throwing you soft stuff down, lay off anything at the bottom of the zone, especially with less than 2 strikes. Work them into a 3-0 or 3-1 count, force them to throw you a fastball, throw offspeed for a strike, or take your base.

  55. LT

    Maybe Elly tried to steal 3rd bc he knows we can’t score with runner in 2nd and no out?

  56. LarkinPhillips

    My biggest issue with this loss is the fact that Benson was playing so shallow on Joc Pederson. If he bloops it in no big deal, but you should be playing deep and making sure of no doubles to start that inning. That is on the coaching staff in my opinion, as he is not used to left field.

    • Votto4life

      Maybe, but Benson has the worst instincts for an outfielder I have ever seen and I saw Adam Dunn at his worst.

      • LarkinPhillips

        As a former infielder converted to outfield in college, it is much easier to come in on a ball. His poor instincts make it even more important to play deep.

  57. Mark A Verticchio

    This is going to be one of the fastest collapses I have ever seen. Four hits in the game. The entire team looks lost at the plate. Combine that with some poor mental play and Bell as manager and this team may be done. 50 and 45 and sinking about as fast as any team has in mid July. I am thinking, at this rate, this bunch will not play .500. The question is now starting to become how bad do they have to be to get rid of Bell. Oh well they now need Weaver to be a stopper.

  58. Jeremiah

    Steer, De La Cruz, Friedl, Stephenson, India have all hit really bad in July…although Stephenson has got on base at a decent clip. McClain has cooled off too, although his numbers are decent.

    I always think Managers are kind of overrated in their effect on a team, and until about a week ago it seemed everything Bell did worked this year. I just keep remembering the collapse in 2021 though and I just still have a feeling he’s not one of the better managers in the game. I don’t know though, it’s so hard to figure with managers their effect, but the start to the 2nd half at home to me is a little concerning towards the manager standpoint. I don’t think Bell should lose his job if they don’t make the playoffs, but if they really struggle and finish below or right about .500 I think it definitely needs to be considered as there may be better managerial options willing to coach this team with the talent they have going into the future.

    The good news is their 12 game winning streak gave them a bit of a cushion to struggle and still be in the race. It’s going to be interesting to see where they are in about a month. This may make it a little easier on GM Krall not to be overly aggressive though now (not sure they would be anyway).

    • Melvin

      Bell should consider himself the most fortunate manager on the face of the earth if for no other reason than he actually has De La Cruz to manage. Add in the fact all of these other young very good players that makes it even more so. With a little more pitching, if David Bell can’t win with this group, a lot, he can’t win with any team.

    • Friedl Green Tomatoes

      Allow me to elucidate; Bell is a terrible manager, running a sloppy ship full of mental mistakes because there are never any consequences for those mistakes; not to mention his egregious mismanagement of the bullpen. You’d be hard-pressed to find a replacement manager that would be a downgrade. And yes, he *should* lose his job, no matter how this season turns out. If miracles were real and they somehow won the world series, he should still lose his job. He’s a known quantity, and any success they have is almost always in spite of him.

      • Dennis Westrick

        +1,000! Bell was hired with NO major league managerial experience and because his last name is Bell. His relief pitcher roulette is a joke because if you run 4 to 6 RPs out there every game, one of them is bound to have a bad outing! In Game No. 1 that was Gibaut! Funny that most of the other teams the Reds play seldom use as many RPs per game! SF used 3 RPs, the Reds used 5 and likely don’t have Sims nor Diaz available for game 2!

      • MK

        Right now he would be elected NL Manager of the Year. Usually don’t get fired if you win that or are even in Top 5. and, usually a 2 or 3 year contract extension. So better hope the Reds don’t make the Playoffs.

    • Steve Schoenbaechler

      I’ve told the timeline. . .

      Before Bell, the Reds finished last in the division 4 straight years, preceded by a 3rd and 4th place. No competent manager wanted to have anything to do with the Reds. So, the Reds were scraping the bottom of the barrel. Bell came up.

      Over that time, the Reds concentrated on getting better players, and they did. So, we have what we have now, a team in 2nd place in the division.

      But, we have all seen Bell’s antics. I am confident that we can now get a more competent manager in there wanting to coach these kids.

      That’s what I believe these kids need. Leadership, coaching, development, etc. They got up here on talent. But, up here, the idea isn’t talent. It’s making adjustments. If you can’t make them, you are the next Aquino. If you can, you can at minimum be a serviceable major leaguer.

      This is the reason why the Astros, when they did their rebuild, held onto Altuve.

      This is why the Cubs, when they did their rebuild, went out and got Lester and Zobrist.

      Leadership has to come from a player or a manager, or even both. We have neither.

      • Mike Adams

        SS, see my reply to Friedl Green Tomatoes about how do they teach the rookies to adjust. Have any insight?

      • Steve Schoenbaechler

        I’ve coached for over 30 years, just not baseball. It can be mental training. It can be visualizing. There can be a multitude of ideas.

        One time I taught someone to do a skill simply be listening to a song. With another athlete, I taught them a skill a visualization method called anchoring.

        One thing I remember hearing from Bonds was something like, “I just pretend there’s a glove on the end of the bat. I’m just trying to catch the ball with that glove, like the C does. I’m just trying to do it with some force going the other way.” I mean, from one of the best hitters ever, it makes sense to me. If a C can catch a curveball, why shouldn’t a batter be able to?

        Easy to say, but then they have to train it.

        Probably some hand-eye work, also. The best simple example I could think of is Simon (attachment below). But, for pros, they have it set for speed and accuracy of single spots, not to see how good your memory is;

  59. Gpod

    Elly getting picked off basically ended any chance if the Refs winning this game….he killed all the momentum & started the “here we go again” bad karma …and of course Larkin said it was a great play by the Giants

    • Votto4life

      Larkin also thought Elly was out on his stolen base. He said Elly was out by over sliding the bay when it was clear by the replay the tag was off of him by then. I used to respect Barry Larkin’s baseball opinions, but the more I listen to him it becomes clear he doesn’t know what he is talking about.

      • Gpod

        The cowboy runs circles around Larkin in comparison as a color commentator

      • Indy Red Man

        He didn’t say that. As a SS he said the guy should’ve kept his glove on Elly and he was right

      • MK

        Agreed but,Brantley wasn’t so great his second year either.

  60. J

    When the Reds were winning, I was complaining about a lot of dumb stuff I was seeing over and over and over, and I connected a lot of it to Bell’s lack of leadership. I was repeatedly told to relax and lay off Bell because the team was winning, which supposedly was all I was supposed to care about. Now perhaps some of those people can understand why I have these concerns. The team simply isn’t good enough to overcome mistake after mistake after mistake. It’s one thing to lose because you’re bad, but it’s quite another to lose because you’re the fastest guy in the game with the best bunter at the plate, and you can’t manage to not get picked off in a situation where the main thing you should be thinking about should be not getting picked off. That’s why I complain about dumb stuff even when the team happens to be winning. You can’t expect to keep overcoming those things forever.

    • Mike Adams

      J, see my reply to Friedl Green Tomatoes above.
      Do you have any insight?

      • J

        I have no idea if it’s really possible to get better at recognizing pitches. What I do know is possible is committing to taking more pitches and forcing the opposing pitchers to throw more fastballs and more strikes. If I were managing these guys, I’d tell them things like “in your first (or second) at-bat tonight, you’ve GOT to make him throw two strikes before you swing.” I want them to show opposing pitchers that they’re very happy to walk if they aren’t being thrown strikes, and that’s going to result in more fastballs and more strikes being thrown to them. (It will also result in more walks, I think, but that’s just a bonus.) I think a lot of players who appear to “see” pitches really well are actually just more willing to take a lot of pitches, and a lot of those pitches turn out to be balls.

    • Steve Schoenbaechler

      I’m right with you there.

    • MK

      So de la Cruz a guy who played in High A last year doesn’t necessarily have the game knowledge a more experienced player would, getting picked off is Bell’s fault? Bell makes mistakes at times but putting that one on him is absurd.

  61. Moon

    Reds have 18 hits over the the last 46 innings. That is about 3.5 hits per game. Hits, not runs. Folks, that is not good.

    • Melvin

      Need to bunt more. We have the players with the speed to do that. Shake things up.

    • Dennis Westrick

      Plus, averaging double-digit strikeouts per game during this 5 game losing streak!

  62. Joe Public

    Bryan Price’s Reds could score more than 5 runs in 5 games.

  63. LDS

    I would be surprised if EDLC has a green light to run at his choice. Maybe he does and he screwed up. Regardless, I expected to lose this one. It seems to be a pattern

    • Chris

      Yeah, you can’t blame Bell for EDLC’s stupid running gaff. You can blame Bell for not addressing the team on stupid baseball though. That needs to be addressed, it’s happening too often.

      • TR

        Five straight. Friedl threw away one the other day and now Elly gets in the act. Lou Pinella, 30 years ago, would not have put up with this stuff.

    • J

      I don’t think he was even trying to steal. I think he was just trying to get a walking lead. It was a totally unforced and unnecessary mistake.

  64. RedsGettingBetter

    So , putting this painful game behind that was lost after EDLC got picked off at 2b with no outs killing the best chance of winning, my question is What can we expect from Weaver tonight? More suffering? Or maybe Could he throw 5-6 frames giving 2-3 runs up as worst and hope the offense wake up?

  65. Jeremiah

    I think another interesting thing is as soon as they got into 1st place, with a little pressure the wheels have come off a bit. The Brewers and Giants are like super professional and exposing the Reds a bit, but the Reds were beating the Dodgers, Orioles, almost beat the Braves…they were beating good teams. They were coming back, never out of a game.

    I think it’s legitimate to think maybe pitchers have figured out some of the young guys, but to me I think this is more psychological, something on the team is off from a managerial/clubhouse standpoint. I could totally be wrong, but I’m concerned they were riding on emotion, and the emotion has worn off. Friedl and Steer struggling I think has been huge. Those guys were awesome up until July it seemed.

    They’re so talented I can’t imagine they’ll just completely tank, but boy they really need to win I think several games here on the rest of homestand to kind of re right the ship. I think Bell could be gone if they go under .500 in the next month or so. Who knows though, baseball is so interesting with it being such a long season. Pirates 30 games in looked like a Cinderella and are now irrelevant for the time being again.

  66. Rick

    I learned and was taught a long time ago both as a industry Mgr & and as a coach, that you can be popular, or be effective. I chose to be effective. Take from that what you will.

  67. Old-school

    The non-India Reds were 1-31 in that game.
    Gotta hit.
    That said, the Orioles are taking off and they started by drafting elite young position players and getting a bullpen. id like to see Krall trade for elite controllable bullpen arms. They help this year. They help next year. Offense is what it is .They’ve had a terrible week.

  68. Roger Garrett

    I honestly expect him to give up 2 or 3 runs in the first inning and that will pretty much do it.Reds aren’t hitting at all and appear to not be thinking much either.Hard to imagine everybody stopped hitting at the same time but its happened.

  69. Jeremiah

    I got to write something positive after being pretty negative! Man De La Cruz has made some great plays at Third Base. As bad as he’s been hitting lately, and getting picked off, he’s playing some good defense. He is a weapon for sure.

    • Mark Moore

      Oh, he’s a stellar glove and arm. I really wish they’d leave him there and MattyMc at SS and leave it at that. But my wishes rarely see the light of day right now.

  70. Mark Moore

    A Casali sighting … and great cracks begin to form in the Earth’s surface.

    • Melvin

      No Stephenson which is fine. I guess it’s already the turn of CES to sit out.

  71. Mark A Verticchio

    Bell was out managed so bad in that game. Why use Diaz against the bottom of the order. So many options, Simms in the 9th, Gibault in the 9th or even Diaz in the 9th and 10th. Bell chose the worst possible outcome in a game this team really needed. On another point 4 hits is sad, Bell has no clue how to right this sinking ship.

    • Mark Moore

      HDTBell ranks #30 on the list of MLB managers. Full Stop. He got the job (and kept it) for one reason only.

    • Dennis Westrick

      Bell is like Captain Smith on the Titanic asking What Ice?

  72. Mark Moore

    Not that I’m committed to watching the building burn further (Melvin 😀 ) …

    But what time is the proposed 1st pitch?

    • Melvin

      Still up in the air with the pop up shower thing.

  73. Ted Alfred

    I hope you’re right about Bell if they tank, because if we can get a legitamately good manager to start the 2024 season then I’m totally on board with that trade off. Bell is never going to take you to the promised land, his teams are going to play tight because that’s just who he is as a manager.

    • Steve Schoenbaechler

      I hope I’m wrong when I say. . .

      The Reds will not win any kind of pennant with Bell as manager. Bell is what he is, a bottom of the barrel manager.

      • Jedi Joey

        I agree, Steve. He is what he is. A guy with a baseball name that they got because he was cheap. Nothing more.

  74. Roger Garrett

    Bell had veteran teams up until this year and they as a team weren’t high baseball IQ guys either.He may have but can’t recall any of them setting out a game or two but if there is ever a time to install a new way of playing its now with this young team.I believe they are learning how to win but learning how not to lose is just as important.Reds have come back and won several games as was mentioned earlier but still played awful baseball but they won because of individual efforts on the mound or at the plate.For me somebody has to carry the message that we will not beat ourselves and soon.Nothing wrong for example if Elly sets this game or if Friedl has set yesterday IMO.I know others will say this isn’t little league and these are grown men and should not be treated that way but well maybe we need to stop the little league play first.Just my opinion.

  75. Protime

    EDLC getting picked off inexcusable. He’s not playing at AAA anymore, in the majors it will haunt you and it cost them the game….

  76. Mark Moore

    Tarp on the infield behind our two favorite talking heads?

  77. Mark Moore

    Weather delay? Rain? Where in the heck did that come from? TWC radar showing bupkis out there.

    • JB

      Must of thought Williamson was pitching tonight

  78. Pete

    I don’t get it. They look like a bunch of rookies out there!

    • Mark Moore

      It is a funny game. Not for me of late, but for somebody.

      In a lucid moment, I have to reflect that we had ZERO expectations from these guys, especially where a game like this was concerned. None. That Hope thing again, eh? 😀

      • Jedi Joey

        I’m with you Mark. I drank the Kool aid and am now bitter during the recent downward spiral. I should have known better. lol!

      • Mark Moore

        It did inspire me to take the trip to DC for those two games. Can’t take that away from me.

  79. LT

    Is there a thread for the game that’s being delayed? I have not gotten the email from Dough that I normally get 1 hr or so before game starts?

    • Mark Moore

      The only Chumpire with the right angle would have been the one on 3B. He would have had to see the pitcher clearly cross his left leg behind his right. I agree, it’s very close to a balk.

  80. Mark A Verticchio

    This young bunch is as tight as can be and Bell always manages tight. What a horrible combination. I believe that the minute they go under .500 Bell should go and that could be very very soon. My statement about the Cardinals catching them is now becoming a better and better possibility. It could 71/2 after tonight. God that makes me sick.

    • Steve Schoenbaechler

      I wouldn’t say Bell manages tight. I would say Bell simply rolls out the same old thing every game, expecting things to change.

      I would think the players know they aren’t performing and are getting tight. And, Bell is no manager to get the players out of that funk. He’s not going to apply any player accountability like sitting anyone. He’s not going to call any closed door meeting to mark anyone out for poor play. I doubt he would call anyone into his office for any kind of lecture on hitting the cutoff man.

      But that’s what this team needs. Even if a player gets sat, explaining to the player something like, “This is simply an opportunity for you to reset yourself, to get your mind back on right.”

      Right now, the players need to make their adjustments, and they’re not making them, pure and simple. And, the manager and coaches don’t seem to be doing anything about it.

  81. SR

    When the Reds struck out 18 times they took the first pitch strike nine times and another 3 times they took until they got a called strike. When you are down a strike, or two,you have greatly decreased your chances to get a good pitch to hit.(unless you are facing the Reds in which case our staff often puts it on a tee for you). Combine this with flexible,inconsistent strike zones and you are forced to swing at marginal strikes to protect. Votto, in his prime was the only Red I ever saw who consistently hit well behind in the count. Taking strikes and looking for fastballs after you are down in the count is not going to work. Long at bats with defensive swings on good pitches, and taking pitches that are balls they are hoping you chase is the only way to see more pitches in the zone. In the reds defense, they have seen quality pitching from guys with good control who change speeds well and have good running charge ups too. We need to break out of the mold with where we are hitting pitched balls. When we do hit it hard it’s right at somebody. It is easier to hit outside strikes and off speed stuff the other way. As far as base running gaffes, does anybody get in their grill when they screw up? Is their a Kangeroo court with “fines” for tootblans? What a pile of cash that would be this year.

    • Steve Schoenbaechler

      I may expand. . .

      I have no problem “waiting” on a good ball to hit. But, if the ball is right down the middle on the first pitch, that’s not a bad ball to try to hit.

      And, this is something that Votto did do a lot during his prime, which got him down in the count. How many batters are going to have the talent of Votto?

      But, I don’t want them up there just swinging at anything, also. For, they should be waiting for that good pitch.

      Part of it might be simply lack of hand-eye coordination. As in seeing something then react. There are things out there to help with that right now, electronic boards that work on hand-eye coordination. That could help.

    • Mark Moore

      I’m thinking the days of the Kangaroo Court are long gone. Too bad as I think it injected an accountability that helped the team build.

  82. Mark Moore

    I see the status has changed to warm-up from delayed. Anybody have an announced first pitch time?

  83. Indy Red Man

    Lost in the shuffle is Freidl took 4 straight balls and would’ve still given the Reds a fast runner on with 1 out, but the ump had to make his mark. Again

  84. Friedl Green Tomatoes

    Casali is starting, CES isn’t even in the lineup. Because why would we want to give CES a shot when our regular starting lineup has been doing so well, right? Bell should be fired on the spot for that alone. Just admit the team is checking out on this season and be done with it.

    • Steve Schoenbaechler

      And, what has CES done? No one is hitting.

      But, I do agree, Bell should be gone. The status of the organization now is much better, where we can get a competent manager in here.

      • Ted Alfred

        Your asking what CES has dine after 3 at bats????

        You really are determined to push your narrative regardless of how dumb some of your points are. Exactly what do you have against the kid?

      • Friedl Green Tomatoes

        CES has had 3 major league at-bats? The others have been doing nothing, collectively, for well over a week. Casali has a sub-.150 average on the season. CES should be in the lineup every day until he proves he’s going to be as ineffectual as the rest of them.

    • Rob

      I guess all is OK because Bell says it is. Friedl is OK and he will learn from it. DLC is OK because he was just trying to make a play when aggressive play wasn’t ideal. India just had a lapse. Maybe this all comes with a young team? I don’t personally think so. I think it is undisciplined lack of fundamentals. Will it continue? Why wouldn’t it? Would a different manager change it? Is it hurting us and costing us a playoff shot? Bell doesn’t seem bothered and he knows more than I do. According to him, it is all these outstanding pitchers we have seen lately. Hopefully in a game or two, we will go on a streak of 9-10 run games.

    • Melvin

      That is a head scratcher considering virtually no one is hitting and CES has been hot recently. I didn’t think it would be his “turn” to sit out so soon. lol

    • Ted Alfred

      Yep, Bell is continuing to show everyone over and over why he is not the guy to lead this young talented team forward. Sitting CES tonight is bizarre. His pitching decisions in game 1 earlier today seemed shortsighted considering the circumstances. I hate to say it, but honestly, the best thing that could happen for the long term health of the Reds moving forward is probably to have the team implode in the 2nd half with Bell leading the charge down the drain as he did in 2021, which should force the Reds to mercifully move on from him and hire a good manager for 2024 and beyond. I would imagine the pool of talented managers who might be interested in this job in the off season would likely be a pretty good number.

      • Melvin

        Have to give Krall a little credit. At least he’s not in extension talks yet. 🙂 Maybe Krall is coming around.

  85. Mark Moore

    Game video feed is on. I guess I’ll stick around for a bit, Melvin … 😛

    • Mark Moore

      Not sure what they are showing. A lot of interviews and clips. Not the game.

    • Melvin

      Well Mark! Fancy meeting you here. So unexpected. lol 😉

  86. Steve Schoenbaechler

    Or, I will say it this way. . .

    One thing Bell may be doing is getting the players to “play through their slump”. Which I can understand that. The only thing is, none of them have earned that right, none except for Votto, and even he’s getting, what’s the word, “long in the tooth” for that. You simply can’t roll out the same old lineup and expect something different.

  87. Mark Moore

    OK, Weaver on the mound. Maybe a little Pig Kicking tonight after all.

  88. Dennis Westrick

    This team is causing my gastritis to act up! Newman, I feel your pain!

    • Melvin

      I think we’re all feeling a lot of different pains lately. lol

  89. DW

    Baseball seasons are very long and full of highs and lows. Hot streaks and slumps happen to every team and every player. Stating the obvious, but I think it needs to be reminded. If given the option at the beginning of the season, I think we all would have taken a 50-45 record at this point in the season. Hopefully, another hot streak is next.

    • Tom Mitsoff

      Very good points. If anyone said this team would be 50-45 after 95 games in March or April, we would have had a party.

    • Friedl Green Tomatoes

      Sure. But when you’ve seen that the record could be substantially better if not for all the self-inflicted wounds that are the result of young, undisciplined players with a complete lack of leadership and accountability, a (quickly fading) .500 record is a hollow consolation.

  90. JB

    There isn’t a more deserving pitcher in the league that screams ” Opener”. Yet Bell doesn’t see it.

    • Melvin

      How are we EVER going to score a lot of runs again with an “opener” for Weaver? 😉

  91. Mark A Verticchio

    Even though it’s only one run these boys didn’t need a deficit in the first inning.

  92. Mark Moore

    Here’s our opportunity to pull our collective heads out of our collective crevices and own this game. It’s officially a come from behind, so that’s out of the way.

  93. Dennis Westrick

    When Disco used to pitch for the Reds, especially in GABP, I seem to recall him giving up his fair share of HRs!

  94. Melvin

    So much for shaking things up by bunting in the first inning to get things going. The first two batters anyway. McLain is getting hot again.

    • Mark Moore

      Friedl kind of faked a bunt with 2 strikes on 😛

  95. Melvin

    Fraley! That’ll do it. Two run homer! 🙂

  96. LT

    Jake the snake, or sneak. He sneaks in. hR here and there

  97. magi210

    And right on cue, the Reds offense shows up for Weaver.

  98. JB

    This is the Disco I remember at GABP. Getting Whiplash watching balls fly out of the park. Yet, people wish the Reds never let him go.

  99. LDS

    I guess CES still has some things to work on. Oh well, send him back to Louisville if you aren’t going to play him. One game means nothing and like Fairchild, Barrero, and the others, you do t get in a groove sitting on the bench. But that’s Bell ball.

    • Mark Moore

      Right. Seems like he could have DH’d or something.

    • Melvin

      If he sits two games in a row without injury Bell SHOULD be fired. As I recall he sat McLain and De La Cruz one game early too. We’ll see. Still though we haven’t been scoring runs so why sit him now?

      • LDS

        @Melvin, if he were going to be fired, t would have happened years ago. He’s connected. I suspect we’re stuck. Hope I get surprised but I’m not expecting it.

  100. old-school

    Trade Jake Fraley. Handedness loser. So what he hits righties like Joey Votto 2017.

  101. Dennis Westrick

    Here we go with the strikeouts again! 2 already in the 1st inning! Geez!

  102. Mark Moore

    In all fairness, that’s probably over MattyMc’s head where EDLC barely had to reach for it.

  103. Melvin

    I didn’t notice De La Cruz was at SS until that play.

  104. RedsGettingBetter

    Weaver sporting a 96,8 MPH Fastball tonight…

  105. Dennis Westrick

    ALL 3 outs by the Reds in the 1st inning were strikeouts by Disco! Just sayin’!

  106. Melvin

    Poop. Thought that was out for a second for Votto.

    • Mark Moore


      But Benson caught one and wrapped it around the pole.

  107. Melvin

    Home Run by Benson! Another two run homer! 🙂

  108. JB

    This team needs hits and runs tonight , to get that swagger back.

  109. Melvin

    Okay. It’s official now. There is NO DOUBT about it. The next time we get in an offensive funk we just move Weaver up in the rotation. That’s all there is to it. 😀

    • RedsGettingBetter

      It is insane how is the run support to Weaver this season…

    • LDS

      I knew you spoke too soon. Just hope the offense keeps adding to the Weaver record

  110. Tom Mitsoff

    De La Cruz is absolutely lost at the plate right now.

    • Mark Moore

      Absolutely. He’s still worth it for his extreme glove work, but his plate discipline is completely lost.

    • Old-school

      So was benson at 1-21 with 14 K’s
      So was India the last 6 weeks
      So was Kyle Farmer at 0-33 last May.
      So is 3/4 of the Reds offense right now.

    • Chris Holbert

      That and lack of use by DB, for Newman, got Barrero demoted.

  111. LT

    Man, EDLC looks as lost as ever. The proverbial rookie wall comes early for him, it seems like

  112. Mark A Verticchio

    EDLC needs to take a couple days off. This can’t continue, swinging at to many balls on off speed pitches, needs help

    • Melvin

      Yep. There are several other guys that could use a day off besides CES.

    • Matt McWax

      He’s fouling off a lot of the hittable stuff, so in tandem with the offspeed problems, a pretty garden-variety slump. I wonder if anybody follows Pete Rose’s advice of doing 1 of 4 things. Move up in the box, back in the box, closer to the plate or farther away. He was generally against swing tinkering.

      • Melvin

        Rose probably could have been a very good hitting instructor if nothing else. Too bad.

    • Tom Mitsoff

      You can’t have your leadoff hitter swinging wildly at everything he sees,

  113. Matt McWax

    Quick aside about Benson – I think I figured out why he gets thrown a lot of pitches just out of the zone when he is so good at judging them and not offering. They’re trying to get generous calls from the umps, not swings from Benson. Maybe this was obvious, but I hadn’t thought of it.

    • Mark Moore

      Good point. I’d have to think the scouting report on him says he has excellent strike zone recognition. It also knows the Flex-o-Zone and Bizzarro Zone are employed by a wide variety of Chumpires.

      • Matt McWax

        That underarm guy in Game 1 had the umps guessing.

  114. Mark Moore

    0-2 to a BB … that’s for Dennis, I’m thinking 😀

    • Dennis Westrick

      Yes, I’m here and walks still drive me nuts!

  115. AllTheHype

    Who’s this guy pitching for the Reds (Weaver) that’s sitting 95-97 and what did he do with the previous guy with the same name that sat 92-94 in his last outing.

    95-97 is a difference maker for this new guy.

  116. Tom Mitsoff

    It would be a nice lift for Weaver and the team if he could get out of this inning with no runs scoring. Normally this is the type of inning when the floodgates open on him.

    • Ted Alfred

      Floodgates are officially open… and he’s right on track to watch his ERA amazingly go up from 7.00 in another stellar outing

  117. Matt McWax

    Keep locating that high fastball Weaver. That’s the ticket.

  118. Matt McWax

    On the top of the zone but not in or out on the hr.

  119. LarkinPhillips

    How do we let the same guy beat us every time?

  120. LT

    He got killed by the high fastball 🙁

  121. JB

    Add Wilmer Flores to the other 10,000 Reds killers.

  122. Melvin

    Yep. We’ve got our “secret weapon” pitcher for us tonight. Going to be a lot of runs.

  123. RedsGettingBetter

    Wilmer Adames Flores… Unbelievable …

  124. Melvin

    Weaver hurt his LEFT arm? Oh. He got hit.

    • Melvin

      Hope it’s not too serious but there goes our secret weapon.

  125. Mark Moore

    Having to go to the pen for any reason is the ultimate tough-luck night. Did NOT need a bullpen game here. Plus it messes up the rest of the week.

    • LarkinPhillips

      Yeah, this is bad. We need multiple innings froma few guys and then Krall will have to get creative for the next two days. Pray for rain out tomorrow?!

    • Dennis Westrick

      And, of course, the batter Weaver walked is one of the 3 runs scored on Flores 2ND home run!

  126. Ted Alfred

    Yes sir, the team got to feel good for all of half of an inning… for the first time in six games they actually held a decent lead on somebody…oh well

  127. RedsGettingBetter

    Weaver Typical game … Very good run support to keep the game in the line while he is being crushed…

  128. Matt McWax

    Darn, that hurts. I used another word with more conviction/sympathy but the comment is awaiting moderation, lol.

  129. Mark Moore

    Young to clean up this inning. Will he pitch the next inning as well?

    • Melvin

      Not quite sure why we’re using our only lefty this early in the game. Maybe it’s necessary?

  130. Mark A Verticchio

    Why would you waste your only leftie in the third inning?

    • Ted Alfred

      Its truly mind-boggling. To be honest I’m not even sure it has even registered yet with David Bell that he just used his only left-hander and I’m dead serious.

  131. Melvin

    Well. Roa is pitching for AAA Louisville tonight. He only has a 10.80 ERA. Maybe he can help. 🙂

  132. bug

    I’m wondering how long it will take someone in the Reds organization to figure out that Weaver is the worst pitcher to ever step on a mound? Every time he goes to the mound, his ERA goes up. I I’m wondering if his ERA gets up to 15 or 20 will someone figure it out? He’s had PLENTY chances,..more than any pitcher I’ve seen. How ridiculous to keep pitching him. Just a matter of time until he gets some of the payers injured when they are teeing off on him. There it is, as I was typing. He got himself hurt. Sad. We need a new manager and whomever esle is making the decision to keep pitching him. It’s sad he’s hurt,..but it was inevitable. Hope he’s not hurt too bad. But someone needs to protect him and the rest of the team. Please don’t picth him again.

  133. JB

    Brewers lost so the Reds can pick a game up if they win.

    • Dennis Westrick

      1/2 game since the Reds lost earlier this evening!

  134. Matt McWax

    Gotta return the favor and mash some more stuff.

  135. LDS

    Alright, the Phillies did their part. It’s up to the Reds – gain a half game or lose it

  136. RedsGettingBetter

    Another night to overload the BP… It’s possibly Weaver will be out of the rotation after this very short outing…IDK…just thinking

    • Mark Moore

      You could see his elbow swelling.

      • Ted Alfred

        Yeah that thing was already the size of a big lemmon on his left elbow…. probably going to hurt like hell.

    • bug

      It was time a long time ago. Luckily no other Reds player got hurt while he was on the mound. They couldn’t hit it any harder if it was on a tee. And that’s been the case every single time he’s pitched),..and they are still starting him. The very difinition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over and over and expect a different result. Pure insanity. He’s hurt, it’s sad to say. I’m so sorry. But maybe another infielder is spared because of that.

    • DHud

      Yeah I stepped away and came back very confused

      Anyone let us know what we missed?

  137. Doc

    One can only hope that the even earlier hook tonight is a sign that enough is too much.

    • Doc

      I don’t see the game and earlier comments hadn’t posted. Sounds as though Weaver got hurt and for that I am sorry. However, they can’t win forever with a starter giving up nearly a run per inning. Time for Weaver to be retired.

      • Melvin

        I don’t know. Maybe we can patch him up enough so he can throw one pitch so that we can score a lot of runs. 🙂

  138. Melvin

    Yeaaaaay! A bunt base hit!!! Good job Friedl!

  139. Indy Red Man

    Milw has 11 more with Philly/Atlanta. I doubt they win more then 4 of those.
    Lorenzen is out there. Other guys are out there. We could atleast battle into September with a little help

    • Mark Moore

      One possible redeeming thing for us if we can break out of our funk.

      • Dennis Westrick

        If we had acquired Chapman we probably win the earlier game!

  140. Old-school

    Fraley doubles his OPS against lefties with the HBP

    Double steal flummoxes the Giants.

  141. Melvin

    Hahaha That’s what pressure does.

  142. Mark Moore

    A balk would have been preferable for SF on that one.

  143. JB

    You know the Brewers don’t have a great lineup, but man, the Giants have nobody. How are they winning?

    • Dennis Westrick

      They have a smart manager!

  144. William

    Weaver should be released after this game. Wish him the best in the future. The GM will have five games to find a replacement.

    • Matt McWax

      Almost gotta be bone chips or something the way it swelled up, so maybe DL.

      • Mark Moore

        Quite likely. Possibly other broken stuff in there. Likely a 60-day stint which would mean he’s cooked for 2023 at this point.

  145. Mark Moore

    Can’t fault Fraley for a go on contact move. He did what he was told to do.

    • bug

      That’s where the mistake was made,..and has been made time and time again this year. No other team goes automatically on contact from third every single time. Only the Reds do that. That’s managerial stupidity. Not just Bell either. Third base coach is also terrible. Like you say,…Fraley just did what he was told to do. How many are going to have to be thrown out at home before they change that move? Finally tonight (after time and time again), Friedl threw a run scoring base hit back to second to keep the guy from tagging up and going to 2nd. It took them 5 or 6 times to learn that,..and that one dumb move cost them more than one game this year too. Again,..dumb management. Slow learners. I have no doubt most of the folks on this board could manage MUCH BETTER than Bell and the other decision makers in this organization. We need new management from top to bottom.

  146. Matt McWax

    That actually was close but maybe not to overturn.

    • Mark Moore

      Closer than I thought on that replay.

  147. Mark A Verticchio

    Terrible base running with nobody out, just not smart. Once again this is a poorly coached team.

      • Mark Moore

        And it was a called contact play. Actually closer than it appeared.

  148. Indy Red Man

    India s again. First pitch way outside but called strike and made him reach to hit the ball weakly

    • Mark Moore

      Same thought. Chumpire hosing the game again.

  149. old-school

    Joey votto still cant hit lefties…5 years running. Glad CES is sitting

  150. LT

    SMH harder and harder and using all of my French

  151. Gpod

    Do you think Votto will, at some point, announce this as his last season ?

    • VaRedsFan

      No need….he can collect 7 million to just walk away next year

    • JB

      I doubt it. Some guys want the Reds to pay him $20 million next year.

    • LT

      As recent as right before or during the ASG, he said that his swing is “very close”. Not sure what the target is 🙂

  152. bug

    That running from third on contact 100% of the time is a nutty move. We’ve been thrown out time and time again on that dumb move. Other teams do NOT do that! If it’s hit in the hole, then send the runner from third. But if it’s hit hard and straight to an infielder please don’t let them get thrown out at home.

    • Mark Moore

      Yep. Take a delayed approach and it has a much higher chance of working.

  153. Dennis Westrick

    C’mon guys! The Phillies just did us a favor by beating the Bernies!

  154. Old-school

    Young has pitched really well.

    Love to see a big bullpen lefty acquisition for this year and next…as I have for 4 years…smh

    • Mark Moore

      AG’s available. You can count on him, right? 😮

      • Old-school

        Read the MLB trade rumors on him….walk rate and control awful…. Sad…he was a great prospect. Probably could still fight the Pirates by himself tho’

      • Melvin

        You can count on him to start a fight maybe. 🙂

  155. Mark Moore

    Young the current pitcher of record for our guys in Red. Nice inning from him.

  156. Dennis Westrick

    Nice inning by Young! Now time for a crooked number please!

  157. Mark A Verticchio

    One thing we can all agree the home plate umpires are awful and is really hurting our young hitters.

    • Mark Moore

      It’s worse than that IMO. It’s hurting the game. They don’t appear to learn from the mandatory review. And they vary so mulch within the same game it’s almost comical.

    • Melvin

      Hard to argue with that. They actually have a correct strike zone in AAA.

  158. VaRedsFan

    Braves gave up 12 thru 6 tonight….
    ….but scored 13…so far

    • JB

      Check out the Mets. Money can’t buy you a championship

      • VaRedsFan

        saw it. Another crazy night in MLB

  159. wkuchad

    Casali, how in the world do you swing at that first pitch?

    • Kywhi

      Because he was fooled by the pitch? Easiest job in MLB is the armchair player/coach.

      • wkuchad

        Um, that’s not armchair coaching. Simply wondering how you swing at at ball that hits you in the leg deep in the batters box.

  160. MBS

    Had to turn off the game watching Weaver giving up the lead.

    I did some scoreboard watching, and Blake Dunn is just killing it again tonight. 3 hits 1 a triple, and 1 a HR. He seems like a legitimate option in 24 to join the OF mix. Maybe he’ll get bumped up to AAA soon.

    I really can’t fathom how Bell will get the AB’s to all of the guys on the 24 team, unless we trade some guys away. I’m counting 11 non C’s that need to play everyday. Caveat that is picking up Votto’s option, but even if they don’t do that 10 everyday guys, how does that work?

  161. Indy Red Man

    Really don’t like our resources vs lefties now. They miss Newman believe it or not.
    Votto, Jake, Benson, and Elly are negated pretty much. They really need CES to be a lefty punisher moving forward

    • Mark Moore

      I think he’s currently punishing the left side of the bench

  162. Tom Mitsoff

    ALERT ALERT ALERT — Flores is up.

  163. Mark Moore

    I’ll be turning into a pumpkin before too long. I figure through our half of the 5th before I need to start shutting down for the night. The late + delayed start just killed me.

  164. Melvin

    Friedl made the correct throw to 2B that time. He learned something. 🙂

    • bug

      Thank you very much! See. They can learn.

  165. Old-school

    This is like 7 u baseball. 30 min innings. My gosh. Can we just throw throw strikes and get outs? This pitching stinks. Thankfully Weaver is done starting but his days were over a long time ago any
    I’m ready to go listen to Yanni and send me to bed.

  166. William

    I did not realize Weaver was injured earlier. Sorry to hear about that. I came in from working in the yard and saw his stats on the game and made my comment. I would.not have said release him, if I knew there was an injury.

    • Mark Moore

      took a liner off his non-throwing elbow. Swelled immediately. Got to believe there is some damage done.

  167. Rick

    I guess today was a scheduled off day for CES from 30 days ago.

    • Melvin

      Maybe we can’t take a chance on disrupting the chemistry of this fine tuned hitting machine we’ve had lately. 😉

  168. Melvin

    Another POOPY. We’d better score some runs.

  169. Jason Franklin

    I give up on this. The wheels are falling off. Now watch the media bash the team. Can’t wait.

  170. Harry Stoner

    Giants taking The Law into their own hands.

  171. VaRedsFan

    The Law was not in order tonight.

  172. Mark Moore

    And just like that, our balloons deflated again.

    Last comment for tonight. I may stick for the rest of the inning because I’m just that much of a diehard, hopeful, idiot who loves these Redlegs. But the nightly shutdown begins now.

  173. LDS

    Starting to look like the Reds will give up another half game to Milwaukee,

  174. VaRedsFan

    Santillan looked great in his 1st outing. I guess the last guy only pitches in emergencies.

  175. JB

    We have gone from must see TV, to must turn off TV. That’s what happens with a young team.

  176. Tom Mitsoff

    You really have to wonder who is going to be available to pitch the rest of the game, other than Santillan.

    • Harry Stoner

      Whatever happened to the “long reliever”?
      Guy who comes in pitches 3-4 innings in relief?

      Bell’s use of 6-7 relievers a game is like Russian Roulette.

      Someone is bound to have an off night.

  177. Indy Red Man

    This team. I’m going downstairs and making myself a drink. Are they really this bad? Weaver got KOd this time literally instead of just figuratively. Even without Buster these guys come in here and go ape s on our pitching every time

    • bug

      The mistake was the decision to pitch Weaver. Plenty enough evidence for anyone with common sense to understand he had no business on the mound again. He did the best he could. It’s not Weaver’s fault. The blame goes to Bell and (let me put it this way) the decison making challenged ones in the organization who kept sending him back out there game after game,..endangering the Reds players each and every time they did. Like I say,..we were lucky some of the infielders were not injured by some of the screaming 100mph liners that came off the opposing team’s bats when he was on the mound. Sad part is,..depending on how badly hurt he is, Weaver might very well take the mound again as soon as it is possible. The decision makers have proved they think he’s worthy of starting game after game, no matter how bad he is. They have not shown any inclination to understand that he can’t pitch. Put him in the outfield if you have to play him. Just for the players sake and health and welfare, don’t pitch him again. Please and thank you.

  178. Dennis Westrick

    So, Law walks Flores with 2 outs and the gives up a single to Conforto on an 0-2 count! Maddening!

  179. Roger Garrett

    Man on and two outs then a walk and then an 0-2 hit.This is over so we look to tomorrow.Night all.

  180. JB

    4 pitch walk. You come in and can’t find the plate.

  181. old-school

    Major pitching roster adjustments needed. Hate to see Weaver end his Reds career with an injury but he should never have been starting anyway. Same for Newman and Casali. Same for Buck Farmer and Derek law. Duarte isnt a playoff run pitcher either. None of those guys have any future on the next reds playoff team.

    Krall needs some bullpen arms and Bell needs to stop playing Votto at 1b every day.

    • VaRedsFan

      He’s the only veteran left….therefore….
      you know the rest.

  182. Dennis Westrick

    Why? Why? Why/ Why does Duarte walk the first batter he faces?

    • Harry Stoner

      It’s a Cincinnati tradition. Like chili.

      The real question should be why Bell and Johnson put up with it night after night.

      Guys so often come into the game unprepared to pitch.

  183. RedsGettingBetter

    When they have pitching don’t have offense so now they have scored some runs but the pitching failed… that’s a very tough and awful stretch…

  184. Dennis Westrick

    The Giants’ hitters are much smarter than the Reds pitchers tonight! They just scored 3 runs with 2 outs and a runner at first! How did they do that? They don’t strike out!

  185. VaRedsFan

    So does TJ getting picked off 2nd only get a pass because they botched the next throw?

  186. Melvin

    Yeeeh! A hit by De La Cruz. Now score buddy.

    • JB

      Apparently getting picked off is stopping them from stealing now.

      • VaRedsFan

        pitcher held him…varied delivery
        Catcher has has a canon.

    • Gpod

      That was Elly’s 1st hit since the all star break…OMG!

  187. Tom Mitsoff

    They need to take advantage of first and second with one out. CES will pinch-hit for Fraley.

    • Tom Mitsoff

      Probably Steer will move to OF to replace Fraley and CES will come in at third base.

  188. old-school

    DAM@#$ Elly and McLain and CES…now I have to stay watching.

  189. Melvin

    CES pinch hitting and they bring in a righty. This is why it’s good to not have platoon players on your bench. CES can hit ether side. Hope he does. 🙂

  190. Steve Schoenbaechler

    Good boy.

    Well, Weaver?

  191. bug

    There you go, Steve!!! That’s what I’m talking about!!! See now? CES!!!!!

  192. VaRedsFan

    To the people that like to sleep.
    You just missed a CES BOMB

  193. Melvin

    A MINOR LEAGUER!!!!! Pinch hit three run homer!!!! Yahoo!!!! Alright CES!!!!

    • Melvin

      He knocked in the two he was used to playing with in AAA. McLain and EDLC. 🙂

  194. Matt McWax

    Man-sized homer. Tank-sized man.

  195. LDS

    Hey Tinker Bell – CES work those things out well enough?

  196. Dennis Westrick

    I knew they shouldn’t have called CES up! He can only hit AAA pitching! That’s sarcasm for you night owls!

    • bug

      Yes,..much sooner!!! Same with all the rookies.

      • Melvin

        Would have liked to have CES in all of those scoreless one run losses. Oh well. He’s here now. 🙂

  197. Soto

    I can’t believe we called up CES. How could we ever justify batting him over one of the Reds “deserving” players.

  198. Ted Alfred

    Steve, Steve, Steve… just admit you’ve been hugely wrong on this whole CES thing from the beginning. Just stop now before you keep digging yourself a bigger hole than you’re already in for a very long time

    • Harry Stoner

      Admit he was wrong?

      Expect more gaslighting….he’s working on it now.

  199. Indy Red Man

    Stevie lolllllll

    Yeah we near the bottom in HRs for half the season. Why should we want some of that

  200. Ted Alfred

    That was the biggest hit the Reds have had in about seven games, going back to Votto’s 3 run dinger in Milwaukee

  201. Matt McWax

    Really good on breaking balls if you’ve watched CES’s minor league highlight reel.

    • Ted Alfred

      That would be awesome and the exact opposite of Elly, so that would be a nice change

  202. Indy Red Man

    The guy wrote novels full of stupid nonsensical s on here. The kid put up #s and deserved to play with his peers.

    End of story

  203. JB

    And that is the reason this is Votto’s last year. Love the guy but CES’s time is now.

  204. old-school

    Anyone not want to watch these young guys? They may not win with this pitching staff but this game was over….until a 21 yo and a 23 year old and a 23 year old said no.

    • Rick

      Wow for this old fan!
      Marte “potentially” for good in 24 on the leftside.
      Hinds “potentially ” in 25 if he keeps progressing in RF, power & a great arm.
      Some may get swapped away, but until then.

  205. Dennis Westrick

    Still have 4 innings to go! Work day for me tomorrow so I’ll have to catch up in the morning!

  206. Mark Moore

    Laptop shut down, but I did get to see that MONSTER shot. Couldn’t have scripted it any better.

    • Melvin

      What are you doing up? I thought you were in bed. 😀

  207. Kywhi

    Shouldn’t the worst manager in baseball history get a little credit for pinch hitting CES for Fraley?

    • Harry Stoner

      And not Newman?


      Vern Rapp managed the Reds for awhile.

      So did Ray Knight.

      • Kywhi

        So did Bryan Price and Jerry Narron. Your point?

      • Harry Stoner

        Think about it.

        Bell is a bad manager, maybe not the worst in the world, or in Reds’ history.

      • Kywhi

        I never said he’s a great manager, but he’ll be at the helm at least 2 more seasons. Knowing that, the constant bashing gets old. It’s not going to change the fact his family is deeply entwined in Reds baseball and he’ll be the manager for a while longer.

  208. Ted Alfred

    Steer is having a nice game and starting to come out of his funk. That last ball he hit was crushed, thought for sure it was off the wall when it left the bat for an RBI double

  209. Tom Mitsoff

    Some of us are going to be up late. 😉

  210. VaRedsFan

    Is it really only the 6th inning?

  211. Melvin

    CES will never play 3B in the majors. Oh wait! There he is! hahaha 😀

    Just playin with ya Steve but you have to admit you set yourself up buddy. 🙂

    • Indy Red Man

      I’ll declare a truce on my part. CES is up and that’s that. I just don’t understand the delay, but this isn’t their year anyway

    • Ted Alfred

      To say he set himself up is the understatement of the century. He wrote page after page defending his position with all kinds of nonsensical drivel. CES might knock the cover off the ball…. or he might go into a horrific slump and make a bunch of errors, but that’s not the point. He crushed it in AAA all year and I’m just glad he finally got the call he deserved. If he gives the Reds offense a boost all the better. Either way, he is very likely our first baseman of the future so he might as well start learning now.

  212. Soto

    It makes you wonder if the reason that CES wasn’t up earlier was because Bell didn’t want him up. I couldn’t believe it when I saw that he wasn’t in the lineup. My first thought was “he must be hurt or sick”. No other reason made any sense. At least he had the sense to put him in when the game was on the line. The kid needs to be in the lineup almost every day. His pinch hit homer does support the argument, that many have been making, that resting a player instead of DHing them improves our late game pinch hitting.

    • wkuchad

      “ It makes you wonder if the reason that CES wasn’t up earlier was because Bell didn’t want him up” – No, it doesn’t slightly make me wonder that.

      • Soto

        He very well might have wanted him up. Most managers want the best players. It’s just that simple. But why do you think he wouldn’t start the kid in his second game? I think most would agree that it was a very strange decision.

    • bug

      How many of those 1 run losses could have been wins with one swing of the bat by a hitter? Then the same Bell (and whomever esle) is still starting Weaver. Amazing! We need new management,..maybe someone who has an ounce of common sense,… like most of the fans have.

      • wkuchad

        Just my opinion, but Bell likely has zero to do with Weaver being one of the 5 starters

    • Tom Mitsoff

      It was mentioned on the TV broadcast yesterday that CES was down as long as he was because he was challenged by the front office to cut down on his chase rate — chasing pitches out of the strike zone. His was one of the worst in the minors. He improved on that and also his defense while he was down.

    • Ted Alfred

      Just watching his approach at the plate his first five or so at bats he looks to me like he’s going to be a much better hitter overall than Elly is long term.

      • bug

        No doubt about it. CES is a hitter. Elly strikes out way too much!!! Hopefully with time, he’ll cut down on his Ks.

  213. Soto

    Are we looking at the Reds best possible infield right now?

    • Daytonnati

      Offensively, probably. Defensively, maybe not?

  214. Matt McWax

    CES isn’t a fast runner but he does have some agility, decent footwork from the little I’ve seen. Not sure how much his injury has affected it.

  215. Soto

    Well, maybe not. From what I have seen so far this year. McClain is a better SS than EDLC.

  216. Gpod

    And the bonehead play in the field continues

  217. Indy Red Man

    I’ve been saying McLain is a smoother SS. If they get rid of India next year then that’s another story, but Elly 3B McLain SS is solid

  218. Steve Schoenbaechler

    That’s what can happen when you take the chance of moving players mid-season to new positions. Can each play the position? Sure. But, it’s the interaction with them, on plays that they are going to have. That can be just as key. And, it could cost a game.

    Just hope it doesn’t.

    • VaRedsFan

      They’ve been playing SS and 2B all year together.
      You’re making stuff up again

    • Harry Stoner

      Your confusion continues from one topic to the next.

      You’re unstoppable!

  219. Steve Schoenbaechler

    I have no clue why bringing in Farmer there. DD was doing the job. Elly and McL (take your pick) messed that play up.

  220. Melvin

    Ought oh. Flores with the bases loaded.

  221. Steve Schoenbaechler

    A sacrifice double play? Oooo.

  222. Melvin

    Woah. Good relay throw by Benson to Votto and then good throw by Votto to nail him at 3B. Cool 🙂

    • Melvin

      That’s how it’s done correctly. Good job.

  223. Steve Schoenbaechler

    Well, at least we know CES can stand at 3rd base.

    • Steve Schoenbaechler

      Sorry, misread the play.

    • Harry Stoner

      Here’s a new topic for you: Maile should never play shortstop.


      Run with it.

      That should keep you busy for a dozen or so posts.

  224. Indy Red Man

    Another play where Elly in RF might’ve helped. I think he catches that game winning 2 out hit in front of Fraley the other day

  225. Ted Alfred

    Interesting time to bring Farmer into the game considering how he’s basically been like a torch to a gas can lately…and of course the first thing he does is walk the 2 hitter to load them with 1 out and bring up the guy who’s already hit to home runs and driven in four. That is some good work there Mr Farmer. But he caught a huge break on a ball hit really hard to right field, so we get lucky and now going to the bottom of the inning tied up.

  226. VaRedsFan

    Benson hit the cutoff
    Jimmy Duggan would be proud.

  227. Melvin

    I thought we weren’t supposed to have long games anymore. 🙂

  228. LarkinPhillips

    Zero reason casali is hitting here! We have two catchers on thr bench. Hit senzel or Stephenson.

    • LarkinPhillips

      Of course he gets a hit lol. Bell is a savant.

    • wkuchad

      It’s only 6th inning. And no one on base. This is not the time to pinch hit for him.

  229. Indy Red Man

    Casali says my work for July is now done

  230. JB

    No pinch runner for Casali? Seriously? 19 catchers on the bench and Bell doesn’t pinch run.

  231. Indy Red Man

    It’s in Elly’s head because he was walking a lot when he came up

  232. Melvin

    De La Cruz is pressing too hard. Needs a day off probably.

  233. Melvin

    If we didn’t have a third catcher then maybe Fairchild could pinch run here. Turned out it didn’t matter.

    • Matt McWax

      I think Fairchild is a good piece for this team and I would also probably rather have him than Casali, who I’ve always liked but it’s hard to see how he generates more of an advantage in value.

  234. Indy Red Man

    Freidl is lost in funky town. He needs a few days off

  235. Tom Mitsoff

    Both teams have struck out 11 times through six innings.

  236. Matt McWax

    I have as many “favorite Reds” as I did in 1990, definitely out of balance to the offensive side by comparison to then. Oh, to have the lefty Norm Charlton to plug into this staff, was very good at keeping the ball in the yard. And Dibble, well Alexis has been amazing, but Dibble struck out almost as much per 9 and did it over 98 innings. Little crazy but put it all on the field and the energy fed back from the fans to the team.

  237. Indy Red Man

    Lost in the shuffle before McLain single Jake Hr earlier, Freidl was 3-2 and fouled 3 ball 4s in a row before a K

  238. Melvin

    The unsung hero of tonight is Weaver. Our “ace in the hole” when it comes to scoring runs. Wish him well in healing/recovery.

  239. Ted Alfred

    Farmer is clearly not the same picture he was a month ago and Bell needs to stop using him in high leverage situations like this one. He got lucky last inning and he looks bad this inning. He’s looked really bad most of the last three or so weeks every time he’s pitched.

    • Indy Red Man

      He’s out of arms though. They have so many close games and Weaver usually gets bombed by the 4th inning

    • AllTheHype

      Your starter’s out in the 3rd due to injury, this is the second game of the day, and every inning has been high leverage. What were Bell’s choices?

  240. Ted Alfred

    Better get him out asap… he’s getting ready to take a blow torch to this game

  241. MBS

    I was really hoping the Reds would have hung onto Sabol when the picked him up in the Rule 5 Draft. Seems like a nice player.

  242. Indy Red Man

    We need a reliever or 2 from Krall in the worst way. Milwaukee and Miami lost. We miss Gallen this weekend. If we can score and win some games then it’s worth adding a few guys without draining the farm system

    • JB

      3or 4 in my opinion. These guys are gassed.

  243. LarkinPhillips

    Yet again, reliever comes in and walk the first batter they face. Completely unacceptable.

  244. Tom Mitsoff

    That’s some fantastic relief pitching right there.

  245. JB

    Why does it seem that Johnson is always a batter late?

  246. bug

    Dumb by Bell, Casali & Santillan. Dumb.

  247. Old-school

    Im lost.
    Santillan zero command. Cant throw strikes and throw a 3-2 slider with the bases loaded in the dirt ? What?

  248. Ted Alfred

    How in the hell does he throw sliders on the last two batters 3-2 and both of them are low and in the dirt to load the bases and then walk the run in. What are they doing?????

  249. LarkinPhillips

    Walked in a run. 8 and 9 hole hitters. A slider on 3-2 to 9 hole who is hitting .225. 8 hole .200. This is ridiculous.

  250. Melvin

    Oooooh my. Good thing Dennis isn’t still up after walking in a run. smh

  251. Votto4life

    Unbelievable! I really hope the Reds don’t retain Derek Johnson.

    • VaRedsFan

      DJ was proud of all of the swings and misses that inning.

  252. Indy Red Man

    Can’t hit and ruin solid pitching. Now we hit a bunch of big HRs with guys on and blow every single lead. Error really hurt too

  253. Steve Schoenbaechler

    Seriously, what did Bell think Tony was going to be able to do that Farmer couldn’t do?

    Just a mistake of a manager.

    • bug

      I finally agree with you on something. He should have left Farmer in. But that’s Bell for you. He’s good for many of those in a season. Dumb moves that cost us the game.

  254. Ted Alfred

    The amount of boneheaded things that this team does on a regular basis is mine numbing. I also can’t believe that Bell was not the one calling that pitch there to walk the run in.

  255. Indy Red Man

    I’m done. Enough of this s.

  256. old-school

    This is like Robert Stephenson 4 years ago….He threw all sliders to a pitcher with the bases loaded and walked in a run against a pitcher because he couldn’t throw a fastball for a strike. Santillan is done.
    reds bullpen is done.

  257. Soto

    I guess that’s why we keep Casali on the Roster. So he can call for a 3-2 slider with bases loaded in a tie game. It was his veteran presence.

  258. bug

    Bell managed this one perfectly. Pitiful. Dumb. Another loss, thanks to management.

    • Votto4life

      According to many on this forum, Casali is going to be the next John McGraw some day.

  259. JB

    Haha typical. Give up the lead on crappy pitching and then he gets the out. Have a seat jumbo

  260. Melvin

    Well. Got to score some more runs. Plenty of time.

    • Soto

      Yep, Rally Reds time. But I have a flight at 5:30 in the morning. They need to do it this inning. I’m fading fast.

    • Brian Rutherford

      Lets put on the Rally Hats Melvin

  261. Matt McWax

    I don’t generally like a “cold” reliever brought in for those situations. By the time he finds himself, the damage is done.

    • JB

      Exactly unless it’s a proven star veteran and there are not many of them.

  262. Gpod

    Sadly, I think I’m watching the real Reds lately

  263. Melvin

    Barrero with another HR down on the farm. Crazy.

    • CI3J

      Amazing what consistent playing time can do for a talented young player.

      I still hope Barrero gets traded and gets to play for a manager who actually appreciates him and his talent. David Bell is quite obviously not that guy.

  264. Ted Alfred

    I think Santillan’s time with the Reds is likely coming to an end this year if I had to guess.

    I sure hope Antone is anywhere close to the P he was before when he finally comes back from his latest surgery, cuz that was the last guy we had in the bullpen who was a total stud who was not a closer.

  265. Melvin

    Alright. My man McLain gets the inning started off right.

    • Melvin

      That Minor Leaguer with another hit. :)…to RF.

  266. Steve Schoenbaechler

    I can take losses. I can understand I don’t always know what’s going on in the background, etc.

    But, why pull Farmer there? I just don’t see what was Tony going to be able to do that Farmer couldn’t do?

    And, not that Farmer wouldn’t have done just as good or bad. Just trying to understand that substitution by Bell. It simply doesn’t make sense to me.

    • Harry Stoner

      Now you know how we feel when we read your posts.

      • Steve Schoenbaechler

        You just can’t read, Harry.

      • Steve Schoenbaechler

        Probably be better, Harry, to keep your not-even-sophomoric contents to yourself. You’re just showing how much of a man, professional, etc., you aren’t.

  267. Ted Alfred

    India…so tired of him. I can’t remember a guy hitting into so many inning crushing double plays over such a short span of time

    • Melvin

      He needs to learn how to bunt to be productive when he’s in a slump.

      • Steve Schoenbaechler

        He needs to be moved back to leadoff, where he did have success before Bell’s experiment, to the bottom of the order, or off the team, to another team who will utilize him wisely.

  268. Soto

    That’s what I love about CES. He usually all parts of the field. Impressive.

  269. Reddawg2012

    I’m starting to worry that the Reds are going to completely cancel out their 12 game winning streak…

  270. Mark A Verticchio

    India ends another rally

  271. old-school

    India like Brandon Phillips end of career…6-4-3 double play machine,.

  272. Matt McWax

    Nice to see CES do the same with that kind of pitch that he did in AAA. Castellanos did that well when he was hot.

    • Melvin

      CES is a good hitter not just a power hitter.

  273. LarkinPhillips

    India is killing us! Every since they started “flattening his swing” he has struggled and rolled into a ton of double plays. He needs to bunt and move down to 8-9 immediately.

    • Steve Schoenbaechler

      He needs to be moved back to leadoff, where he was having success before Bell’s experiment, to the bottom of the order, or off the team, to another team, where he would be utilized wisely.

    • Reddawg2012

      That three hit game probably bought him another 20 straight starts hitting in the 5 hole.

  274. JB

    Needed that Votto. Would have been better if India didn’t hit into a killing DP

  275. Melvin

    VOTTO!!!! Two run homer!!!! 😀 Opposite field!

  276. Soto

    Nice! No quit in this team. They may not win but they keep plugging away!

  277. Melvin

    This has been a typical Weaver pitched game.

    • JB

      Lol. Bell why do you keep Weaver in the starting rotation? Bell- Because he keeps us in the game.

  278. Ted Alfred

    Like I have been saying, Votto should be moved up to hitting 3rd and India needs to drop way down in the lineup. Steer is definitely swinhing it good again. Not much to show for it except some loud outs and a ball to the wall in right… but it’s coming around for him.

    • Hanawi

      I kind of like Votto where he is. He’s too inconsistent that I think moving him up would kill some rallies.

      • Tomn

        He should be batting at least 5th. Agree with another poster and ive also said before here that india should be batting 7th or so. Move steer up the order.

      • Hanawi

        Definitely agree with India moving down. I’d move Benson and Steer up myself.

    • Old-school

      Votto is great 6 hole hitter against righties. CES plays b agasint lefties. Votto cant hit lefties and hasn’t since 2018 and shouldn’t play.

  279. Ted Alfred

    India should be hitting 8 or 9. I just don’t understand Bell’s insistence on putting him in spots in the order which are going to require higher RBI producers…. and he is the exact opposite of that….an RBI black hole, rally crusher

  280. old-school

    Alex Blandino might be good for an inning? Where is he?

  281. LarkinPhillips

    Well we fought back. Which reliever is going to come in and add some gasoline now?

  282. JB

    Oh great 2 innings out of Santillan. Buckle up everyone.

  283. William

    This young infield is so good that India might join Senzel on the bench soon. 1B – Votto, 2B – McClain, SS – De La Cruz. 3B – CES. CES gives them the extra power this team needs. India is a good leader. They will find playing time for all of them. Three to four days on, one day off…

    • Ted Alfred

      India on the bench a lot more would absolutely be an upgrade with the current infield we have. He’s by far the worst defensive player in the infield and other than yesterday’s little blip offensively he’s been basically dreadful hitting for most of 2 months…a huge negative

  284. Ted Alfred

    I guess we’ll agree to disagree. I believe he has the highest slugging percentage on the team, highest OPS and he has the highest percentage of hard hit balls. He’s also hit 3 for most of a likely Hall of Fame career, the one guy on this team who is comfortable in that spot.

  285. Mark A Verticchio

    Agreed Bell’s batting India 3rd and now 5th has really hurt this team. Win or lose at least they scored some runs. They need big games from Ashcraft and Abbott the next couple days to get back on track.

  286. Melvin

    Woah! That minor leaguer made a good play at 3B. 😀

    • VaRedsFan

      Others deserved to make that play….it wasn’t fair.

      • AllTheHype

        What kind of message does this send to all the utility players around the league? Don’t sign with the Reds. They might play some MiLer instead of you.

  287. J

    Now let’s go back in time, DFA Casali, and bring up CES for the Milwaukee games. Then go out and trade for a halfway decent starter who can actually pitch 6 or 7 halfway decent innings every fifth day. Imagine where this team could be if they’d been just a bit more serious about trying to win every game…

    • VaRedsFan

      I agree with the move, but what pitcher are you getting?

      • J

        Virtually every starting pitcher in the major leagues would be an upgrade over the guy who started this game for the Reds. Is ANY team in major league baseball willing to make a reasonable trade for ANY starting pitcher? If so, that’s the guy I’m getting.

    • Ted Alfred

      Yep… you look at how little offense it would have taken to win three more of those Milwaukee games and CES definitely could have been the difference between Wins and losses…but we’ll never know because our management was out to lunch

      • bug

        Bingo!!! Right on the money. Our management was out to lunch early on this season when they kept Elly and Matt and Abbott in AAA, and was dtermined to play Myers when he was striking out time after time and killing rally after rally. Someone in management who is/was making those decisions shouldbe relieved of that job.

      • William

        The pitchers are there for the taking. Rebuilding teams want good prospects. GM: Keep your top ten prospects. You can keep Hinds as well. The future will still be good. Do not trade the good pitchers we just drafted, either.

    • Matt McWax

      I suggested the same during the break (calling up CES and letting Casali go), although I’m not sure if I would’ve thrown him right in on Friday against Burnes, but in hindsight it couldn’t have hurt.

  288. VaRedsFan

    Santillan had been good in his other 2 appearances….I was OK with him coming in for Buck wild. He was awful though, but that is hindsight.

    Whoever called the 3-2 slider should be fined.

    • JB

      You I could feel the slider coming to . I was yelling at the TV please don’t throw the slider.

  289. Melvin

    Wow. Great catch by Friedl against the wall. Poor Senzel would be out on the IL on that play.

  290. Erik the Red

    We are still 2 years from being a team that can make a deep run in the playoffs. Not enough depth with pitching to survive in the pitch clock era. We could use some more LH bats. It has been a good run but it looks like the second half swoon is here

    • Hanawi

      They’ll have money to spend in the offseason. No reason they can’t be one of the top teams in baseball next year.

    • CI3J

      2 years? Nah, they can address all the shortcomings in the offseason, then next year it’s all systems go.

      The window was always set to open next season. With all the young players getting MLB experience this year, I see no reason why they won’t be ready to really make a run at it next season.

    • bug

      I think we are one managerial change away from a deep run. Only Bell could have managed to lose this game. One bonehead move after another,..just as many as it took to lose the game. Jmo.

    • Steve Schoenbaechler

      I hope I’m wrong when I say. . .

      The Reds will not win any kind of pennant with Bell as manager.

  291. Rick

    Anyone else read that the Phillies may show some interest for Senzel as utility depth?

  292. JB

    Ugh if only higher but well hit. Mighty Mac at the plate.

  293. Ted Alfred

    When I look at Elly and his approach at the plate I’m wondering why any team would ever throw him anything other than Breaking balls. He seems to be so far off from reading the breaking balls correctly or coming even close to hitting them hard with zero improvement…actually getting worse. I’m starting to wonder if he’ll ever be able to hit breaking balls or lay off of them.

    • CI3J

      Elly’s biggest issue is he chases pitches that are low and inside. Everyone seems to know this. If he can learn to lay off those pitches, he’ll be much harder to get out.

      • Ted Alfred

        I agree, but the thing I’m starting to get kind of worried about is Elly knows this too…. yet he still can’t stop swinging at balls that are 2 ft off the strike zone in the dirt…over and over and over. When you have this big of a weakness in your hitting I think its really tough to totally fix it because I think its his vision that is1 the problem. I don’t remember seeing a guy that had these kind of issues when he came up that eventually turned into a really good hitter and conquered that problem, because the Pitching up here is too good and they will just pound that weakness relentlessly. So if his eyes can’t eventually pick up the spin sooner he is virtually helpless against it. Sure hope that’s not the case with Elly.

    • bug

      He’s not hitting fast balls either. He’s got a hole in his bat. He’s taking too many strikes right down the heart of the plate. If anyone needs three swings, it’s Elly. He’s killing us. He’s an automatic out,..usually a K. He needs to sit until he can learn to put a bat on the ball.

  294. Melvin

    Daivd Bell. Genius again! Another pinch hit decision that comes through. 🙂

    • AllTheHype

      He needs to stop doing the right thing at the right time.

      • Melvin

        Well I wouldn’t have done it there with no outs and nobody on with Friedl up but I’m glad it worked. 🙂 Stephenson seems to do well as a pinch hitter.

    • LT

      At least he hit it. eDLC whiffed at all the pitches right now

  295. Ted Alfred

    When it’s going bad it’s really going bad. McClain just absolutely scorches a ball on a line curving away but right at the left fielder, so instead of the game tied up with CES coming up and the winning run in scoring position you go to the 9th down one. Well at least we appear to be out of our offensive slump.

    • LT

      Yeah, balls are not bouncing our way right now

    • Steve Schoenbaechler

      See, something like that is why I talk about I can take losses. I can’t take mistakes. If everything dependent upon McLain’s AB there, I’m satisfied. We lose? No problem. For, I don’t consider that a mistake. It was just an unfortunate result.

  296. Mark A Verticchio

    Why was Santillan used instead of Cruz? Bell’s managing is just not very smart and he never shows any sense of urgency.

    • Steve Schoenbaechler

      I’m still wondering why even pull Farmer? I mean, what was Bell thinking that Tony could do that Farmer couldn’t do?

      • bug

        Yep. No reason to take Farmer out at that point in the game, just to bring in a wild card. And I mean a “wild” card, pun intended.

    • bug

      You are correct in your assessment, Mark. Bell was wrong again.

      • bug

        Only David Bell could manage to lose this game. Any other manager would have won the game. He had to make one bonehead move after another after another in order to lose this one.

  297. RedsGettingBetter

    Reds will need at least 6 or 7 innings from Ashcraft tomorrow, the BP is depleted at all…Maybe to call some guys up from Louisville…

    • Steve Schoenbaechler

      Try not to say “call some guys up from Louisville” again. I’m just tired of hearing that. Though I understand what you mean in this case.

  298. Hanawi

    Good at bat after falling behind 0-2. Got the winning run on and the tying run in scoring position.

  299. Melvin

    Good AB by Votto. Wish he would have cranked it but we’ll take a walk.

  300. Steve Schoenbaechler

    Just like the Brewers, the Giants are simply a very good, well coached team.

    • Ted Alfred

      SF caught some breaks and right now the Reds can’t buy one. Is what it is, onto tomorrow

    • Mark A Verticchio

      The key there being well coached. In games like these last 6 coaching matters and the Reds have the worst manager in baseball and it’ not even close.

      • Hanawi

        Yep. Lots of 1-run losses the Braves, Brewers and now Giants. Where the manager really makes a difference.

      • bug

        Yes, Mark. He’s the worst. We finally have the talent, but we can’t continue to win games in spite of dumb managerial moves. Bell is the best player the opposing team puts on the field.

    • Steve Schoenbaechler

      I mean, I don’t believe there was an All-Star amongst their starting 8. But, with all their players, again, just like the Brewers, they play sound fundamental baseball. They aren’t going to make mistakes that costs them. Not just the players, but the managers, the coaches, the scouting, everyone. You are going to have to beat them.

    • Optimist

      The Giants not very good, but they are sound and well managed. Deadline deals going to be very interesting.

      Still at least 2 pitchers short, perhaps 3, but there’s enough talent on offense to avoid another losing streak like this. Very difficult to fix fundamentals at this point.

  301. Ted Alfred

    Wow… Steer hit that one pretty hard too and I thought it was into center field to tie it. But instead it was a really easy double play right at the 2nd baseman to end the game. Cya tomorrow

  302. Hanawi

    6 in a row. Really tough stretch here to try to get back on a winning streak. At least the bats came alive.

  303. CI3J

    Are you ready for even more baseball?

    Because you’re about to get even more baseball.

  304. LT

    Reds forgot how to win after ASG. Find every possible way to lose.

  305. LDS

    Krall should abandon trades until the off season. This team, while more fun than recent teams, doesn’t have the experience, pitching, and coaching to be competitive. Instead of being a half game out after tonight, it’s 2 1/2. They need a greater sense of urgency every day and that’s not going to happen with Bell.

    • Steve Schoenbaechler

      I wouldn’t even say a “sense of urgency”. I just don’t see sound fundamental baseball. So many people look at the highlight reels and try to use that to prove this team is sound. That’s the highlight reels. What’s going on the rest of the time? That’s what those people don’t ever listen for or watch.

      Like Elly, for example, he steals 3 bases on 2 pitches. . .Whoopee!!! I was cheering myself. But, then, last night, he gets picked off 2nd, which could very well, if not did, cost us the game.

      Or Bell bringing in a reliever just to make 3-5 pitches, just to get the last out of an inning, just to bring in a new reliever from a bullpen he knows is already taxed as it is.

      This simply isn’t a fundamentally sound, well coached team.

      • bug

        >>>Or Bell bringing in a reliever just to make 3-5 pitches, just to get the last out of an inning, just to bring in a new reliever from a bullpen he knows is already taxed as it is.

        We agree there too. Right on the money. If you bring in enough relievers, eventually one (or more) is going to be wild and/or get shelled. If a guy pitches 4 pitches and gets you out of the inning, send him back out. It’s unbelievably dumb not to. But that’s Bell for you. Unbelievably dumb.

    • Erik the Red

      Agree. We are more than one player away. Also not enough experience.

  306. Jason Franklin

    I think it’s best to just stop watching these guys until something positive happens. Too much stress after seeing how good they could be and now this. Not worth it. Have fun guys.

  307. Mark A Verticchio

    They now stand at 50 and 46 and 2 and 1/2 back. Only 7 and 1/2 ahead of the dreaded Cardinals who are playing well. However baseball is a game of streaks so let’s all hope this is the end of the Reds losing streak.

  308. CI3J

    Looks like the “Reds are in 1st place!” narrative really got to some of the players and they cracked under the pressure.

    That, and the Reds are playing some really good teams. So far, the young Reds have not risen to the challenge.

    Still, if you had asked most fans before the season if they’d be happy with the Reds being 4 games over .500 and 2 1/2 out of 1st place on July 19th, I’m guessing a lot of them would give a definitive “yes”.

  309. J

    Now let’s go back in time and replace Weaver with any halfway decent major league starter, and replace Casali with virtually any position player in Louisville. Having two guys on the active roster who don’t actually contribute anything is just beyond silly. This was yet another game where a couple relatively simple roster changes could very well have made the difference between winning and losing, but this team refuses to make them for some weird reason.

    • bug

      >>> This was yet another game where a couple relatively simple roster changes could very well have made the difference between winning and losing, but this team refuses to make them for some weird reason.

      It’s very poor management. That’s the weird reason. They only make a smart move when every single Reds fan begs, pleads, and lobbies them to do it for weeks and even months. That’s how McLain, Elly, Abbott and CES finally got up here to the Bigs. The fans were demanding it for so long, they finally relented and brought them up. The Reds management is the last to know or understand the most simple common snese move. They have to be browbeat to make it. And by the time they do, we’ve lost several winnable games. The Reds would be way ahead in first place if they had just done what most of the fans pleaded with them to do from the first day of the season,..and that is, bring up this young talent, and lose these hitless wonders and broke arm pitchers. They have cost us the divsion title with their boneheadedness.

  310. Steve Schoenbaechler

    I wish people would drop the “youth” stuff. “Young teams” don’t win games. “Old teams” don’t win games. “The best offense” doesn’t win games. “The best defense” doesn’t win games. “The best team” wins games.

    I have no problem with young players, just like I have no problem with losses. I have problems with mistakes. Like the Elly/McLain handoff? Sound fundamental players don’t make that mistake. As a result, a bit later, a run scored. People talked about Friedl missing the cutoff man the other day, allowing the tying or winning run to get into scoring position.

    How many runs did we lose by?

  311. Will the Red

    Heck of a game. Glad to see that the hitting may be finally waking back up. We’ve lost 6 straight, 7-of-8, and I believe 6-of-the-7 have been 1-run games. That’s wild! There’s so much negativity in the comments yours think every loss was a blowout and we were looking like the Pirates from the early 00s. We have called up 12 players that made their MLB debut this season. We had 3 rookies in the infield at one point, and 4 (+ Steer, who’s practically one) on the field, late in the game when it mattered. Everyone, please take two deep breaths and calm down. Yeah, the Reds may have accelerated the timeline, but only a little. And we’re still 2 starters and at least one more reliever away. So breathe out, enjoy the experience of watching these kids learn how to be major leaguers as we also say (potentially) goodbye to one of the best Reds hitters EVER, in Mister Joseph Daniel Votto, who still bangs! Woohoo #350, 2nd all time for Reds homers!