The Cincinnati Reds finally scored some runs on Sunday against the Brewers. And they even held a lead into 8th inning, but the bullpen and defense made some blunders that would cost them as Milwaukee pounced on the opportunities and took the lead and didn’t look back as they won 4-3 and completed a 3-game sweep.

Final R H E
Milwaukee Brewers (52-42) 4 8 0
Cincinnati Reds (50-44) 3 7 1
W: Milner (1-0) L: Sims (3-2) SV: Williams (23)
Statcast | Box Score | Game Thread

Cincinnati picked up their first extra-base hit since prior to man landing on the moon when Matt McLain doubled with one out in the 1st inning, but he was stranded there as the offensive struggles for the team continued. In the 2nd inning the Reds got another double, this time from Joey Votto. And this time it came with a runner on base and Jonathan India came around from first after a leadoff single to score the first run for the club in over a week. Spencer Steer would strike out to follow, and on the third strike David Bell came out to argue and was tossed from the game while walking towards the plate. Will Benson would walk to put two men on for TJ Friedl, who laced one at 103 MPH off the bat, but Brice Turang somehow made a play on it to end the inning.

Milwaukee would erase the Reds lead quickly as Christian Yelich hit a solo home run in the top of the 3rd into the power stacks in center. Cincinnati wasn’t bothered by it and went back to work in the bottom of the inning. Matt McLain singled to lead off the inning and then came in to score when Jake Fraley homered halfway up the seats in right field to put the Reds up 3-1.

In the top of the 4th inning the training staff came out to check on Ben Lively, but the stay was short and he remained in the game and completed a perfect inning. When the top of the 5th inning began Lively remained in the dugout and Derek Law took over on the mound. He ran into trouble rather quickly, giving up a leadoff single and following it with a walk. After a line out, Christian Yelich lined an RBI single into center to cut the Reds lead in half and make it 3-2. Ian Gibaut came in out of the bullpen and got the job done, getting William Contreras to ground into a double play to end the inning.

Gibaut returned for the top of the 6th inning and after giving up a leadoff single he would strike out the next three batters. In the bottom of the inning the Reds would get a walk from Joey Votto and a single from Spencer Steer, but both would be stranded as the team clung to a 3-2 lead.

Fernando Cruz took over for Cincinnati in the top of the7th inning. He retired the first two batters with ease, but then walked the next two and put the tying run in scoring position. That led to a pitching change, with Lucas Sims entering the game to try and get out of the jam. And he did just that, getting William Contreras to fly out on the first pitch he saw.

The Reds offense got in their own way in the bottom of the frame. Nick Senzel pinch hit for Will Benson with a lefty on the mound and he would draw a walk. TJ Friedl bunted, but he popped it up to first base. Senzel then tried to steal second base and was thrown out. Matt McLain would single, picking up his third hit of the day in the process, but he was stranded on the bases when Jake Fraley hit the ball 10 feet for a ground out to the pitcher.

Lucas Sims took the mound to begin the 8th inning and got himself in trouble right away as he walked Willy Adames to begin the inning and he moved to third base when Jesse winker lined a single into right. Milwaukee then pinch ran for Winker. Owen Miller then came through with a sacrifice fly to tie the game up at 3-3, and on the throw home that had no chance to get the runner, Tyrone Taylor took second base.

That was the final batter that Alexis Diaz would face as Cincinnati called on Alexis Diaz to try and keep the game tied. Diaz would get a fly out to left field, but the poor decision to throw home by Friedl would come back to haunt the team as Taylor would score on a 2-out single from Andruw Monasterio that put the Brewers up 4-3.

Cincinnati’s offense went down in order in the bottom of the 8th inning. Buck Farmer took over on the mound for the Reds in the top of the 9th with the hopes of keeping it a 1-run ballgame. He would get a ground out to start the inning, but Nick Senzel took a bad route and got turned around on a fly ball to the warning track in left that he missed and was ruled an error, putting Christian Yelich on second base in the process. Farmer then followed with a walk to put two men on. He’d escape the jam with a fly out and a strike out, sending the game to the bottom of the 9th.

Needing at least one run, the Reds had the bottom of the order due up. They also had to face Devin Williams. Spencer Steer would ground out on the second pitch he saw. Tyler Stephenson grounded out on the first one that he saw. That left the game in the hands of Nick Senzel. He battled Williams, but he would ultimately strike out to end the game.

Key Moment of the Game

Owen Miller’s sacrifice fly in the 8th inning. Not only did it tie the game up, but the throw home allowed the go-ahead run to reach second base. He would later score that go-ahead run thanks to acquiring that base.

Notes Worth Noting

The Brewers now up in the division by two games over Cincinnati.

The Reds have to use six relievers in the game. That’s not a great situation since they do not have an off day until July 27th.

Up Next for the Cincinnati Reds

San Francisco Giants vs Cincinnati Reds

Monday July 17th, 7:10pm ET

TBA vs Brandon Williamson (1-2, 5.21 ERA)

135 Responses

  1. Protime

    They outplayed us and out-managed us. Weak bench,no help.

  2. Jim

    These 3 games are a good learning experience for this young team. Get mad and know what not to do and turn things around. We want to go into the last part of the season with confidence. We know they can play! A leading Pitcher could raise the bar for this team. Let’s stay Positive!

    • MBS

      These 6 games were played like playoff games by the Brewers, and like regular season games by the Reds. I put that on the manager, and I don’t blame bell often, but these games were lost between the ears of our guys.

      • Melvin

        I don’t blame everything on David Bell of course but I do believe we were out managed this series.

  3. Jedi Joey

    I really hope they can find a way to get hot soon but seeing the Giants and Dbacks coming to town sure doesn’t make me feel better at the moment. What a letdown this series turned out to be. Very disappointing!

  4. William

    The Brewers swept us. They played better. If the owners do not get some more pitching for this team, they will deserve the widespread criticism of their fans.

    • Jim

      They don’t need any mediocre pitchers. Just one Stopper!!’ One leading pitcher!!!!

      • VaRedsFan

        Who do you suggest?
        Who do they give up?

    • LDS

      They didn’t lose this series on pitching

    • Chris

      Pitching? Did you bother to watch this series at all? Nothing as wrong with the pitching; it’s actually been excellent. The fact is we have a 3rd catcher on this team that hasn’t played in what seems like forever, and a monster of a hitter sitting at AAA. We need to start with that issue.

  5. Melvin

    Kind of a sick feeling in my stomach right now. I think I speak for most Reds fans unfortunately.

  6. Jon

    Worst possible time of the season for the hitting to slump all together and it occurs during four games vs. the first place Brewers. We can only hope Krall is furiously working his phone to get reinforcements on the way in advance of the trade deadline.

    • Jim Walker

      They need to trade for pitching; but, the position reinforcements are largely already in house at AAA Louisville. Somebody just needs to take a deep breath and do what is needed to get CES and Fairchild onto the MLB roster. Then of course Bell has to use them.

      • LDS

        Not if Krall does his job. Make a change. We’ve seen this show before – the August collapse. Don’t let it happen again.

  7. William

    The Reds pitched their best three active pitchers in this series. Just imagine what the score may have been with Weaver on the mound.

  8. William

    The Brewers looked like the better team in these six games.

    • Ted Alfred

      I must be watching different games. The pitching has literally been fantastic versus the Brewers for the most part. Getting a pitcher now does zero to help the problems they had vs the Brewers. The offense was pathetic, the defense not good, the managing was poor…but the pitching was really, really good these last 4 games. They gave up a total of 9 runs in 4 games…average of 2.25/game… and managed to lose all 4…that is really hard to do. Of course the Brewers look like the better team…the last 4 games the Reds look like the worst team in MLB. What teams in MLB are they beating over these last four games the way they played?

      This was much less about the Brewers and much more about the Reds unfortunately. For those who are so impressed with the Brewers like Sadak, just look at what they’ve done versus the rest of Major League Baseball this season if you take the Reds out of the equation. They are barely over .500 baseball…very average. Most of Major League Baseball doesn’t have a problem playing them….just the Reds.

      David Bell is not a good manager…he’s average at his very best. So when the games get bigger and more important, he and his teams shrink… that’s just who he is with his rigid style of managing. He’s never going to take you to the promised land, so hopefully the one good thing to come from this likely eminent collapse… as also happened in 2021 when the Reds were a half-game behind the Padres for the second wild-card spot on Sept. 11 – and held a two-game lead over the Cardinals – but plummeted 8½ games over the next 17 days to miss the playoffs…is that the Reds will likely be done with him at the end of 2023 and will hire someone a lot better to manage this group of young and talented Reds players into the future. The ultimate goal is to win a World Series and you’re never winning one with David Bell managing…essentially impossible. His teams are going to go meekly into the night under his guidance when the games get bigger and that’s not a recipe to win anything meaningful.

      • DataDumpster

        I am tired of plowing through the analysis as I did most of the last 2 or 3 seasons but your insights and conclusions largely reflect my own. Starts, Finishes, and crucial situations/series is where the Reds nearly always seem to falter. It is especially apparent when a very good manager like Counsell meets our own David Bell.
        We now have (or soon will have) most of the horses but the rider’s stick seems off kilter or missing all together.

  9. Jon

    This was basically a repeat of what happened in 2021, except the Reds went 1-5 this year in the Brewers series sandwiching the All-Star break. In 2021, the Reds went 3-3, getting swept in the second series at GABP (after the Brewers hit All-Star Castellanos on the hand with a pitch, sending him to the IL for over a month). We all know how 2021 ended for the team.

  10. VaRedsFan

    Everybody here keeps saying the players love Bell, because they played so hard for him. I didn’t know that was a requisite. Players should be playing hard no matter the manager. Maybe they like him because they aren’t held accountable for poor play?

    Friedl must be benched for 2-3 games minimum. And I love TJ Friedl the player. Not because he missed a cutoff man, but because his was the 5th one that I’ve seen (might be more) over the last 6 weeks or so. Also, these throws had no chance in getting the baserunners in the first place. Mental errors need to be held accountable.

    The manager didn’t make the throw, but he can control who makes the next one. But alas, there will be no accountability held by this manager. We know, because we’ve seen it before.

    • Jim Walker

      If the guy who should have been making that throw is not on the 26 man roster, that is technically on Krall, not Bell. If a another right handed bat who can hit both LH and RH pitching at an outstanding rate is not on the roster, that is also on Krall.

      • VaRedsFan

        Going to disagree Jim. Fairchild is not a better player than Friedl who hits both RH and LH pitching, and wouldn’t have even been in center to make that throw.

        The post was more about lack of accountability by the manager about allowing this particular thing to keep happening without consequences. (Regardless of the the player)

      • Chris

        Sorry Jim, I’m not sure what it is you see in Fairchild, but that kid is not better than any other option we have on this team in the outfield. He’s a 5th outfielder at best.

      • Melvin

        Chris – He just made a pretty good catch in AAA. He may not be a starter but he can play all three spots pretty well with a good arm. You may be correct that he’s a fourth/fifth outfielder but as I’ve said he at the very least would make a good pinch runner option which we really don’t have. I can’t think of a pitcher we could use in that role. He’s faster than Senzel or Newman..maybe not Casali…;) Just kidding. 🙂 He also has decent power off the bench and really is not a platoon guy as far as who he hits better.

  11. Roger Garrett

    Just got home but not surprised at the same line up and the same result although we did score.Guess Bell was afraid to move some guys or set some guys but I did notice Senzel got an at bat up 2 runs and consequently faced their closer down a run in the ninth.Righty vs righty and lefty vs lefty always is the case as is the set lineup regardless so we play on.Saw where Bell got thrown out which was a couple of games too late.Won’t blame Bell for the loss at all because what he does or doesn’t do is so predictable like using 6 relievers until he finds the right one or oops the wrong one.Counsell knows what he is doing and what Bell is going to do so its not even a fair fight but we play on.Of course by getting thrown out and using 6 relievers we must assume Bell was trying to win the game right.Again two games too late.

  12. dimondfvr

    We got gut punched in these games with the Brewers.

    I do have a question Doug. With the strike zone all over the place, does MLB review these games? How are the umpires held accountable for their poor performaces?

    • VaRedsFan

      There are umpire scorecards for each game.
      I don’t think it’s MLB sanctioned though.

  13. Mark A Verticchio

    I will judge Bell by the line up tomorrow, the one person, among many, who needs to see a day on the bench is Freidl. His poor bunt and stupid throw may have cost this game and two games in the standings. Bell needs to send a message that those mistakes will not be tolerated. On another point, if Bell had the guts he needs to demand to say good bye to Newman and Casseli and hello to Fairchild and Strand. I know none of this will happen. Oh well a complete collapse will force the management to get rid of Bell, maybe. I hope for a 5 – 2 week but 2-5 or worse is much more likely. The Giants pitching may dominate this bunch.

    • Melvin

      The Giants come in for FOUR games. They most always play well in GABP and have been playing well lately, I understand. Our guys (this organization for that matter) better get their heads in gear (to put it nicely).

  14. Rick

    “If”the Reds have wasted a bench player by retaining Casali all this time for when Greene returns would be stupidity.
    Cut a catcher & put CES in the middle of the lineup as dh, & he can switch out 1b/3b when they need an off day..
    DH’ing isn’t really a day of rest over a long season.
    I’d prefer Fairchild over Senzel or Newman.

    • Melvin

      If Barrero keeps on hitting like he has I’d prefer him, CES, and Fairchild replacing Casali, Newman, and Senzel…but that’s just me.

      • west larry

        It’s not just you. I hope it happens.

      • LDS

        Another vote for Melvin’s suggestion

      • Chris

        LOL. Yeah once again, let’s bring up Barrero. Does this nonsense ever end?

      • LDS

        @Chris, it’ll happen sooner or later if he isn’t traded. Too talented to waste in AAA.

      • Rob

        Barerro has been given more than a fair share of trials in my opinion. He must be near 500 abs in his 3-4 trial runs …..none of which would qualify as successful. If he continues to bang at Louisville, I have no problem trading him and wishing him the best. If he bangs 280 for the Royals so be it. I would rather hav had Chapman for the next 3 months. At best, he is redundant at this point in time. At worst, he is another string of strikeouts with no available options left. We need players and not rescue projects. Let the Rockies take on that.

  15. SOQ

    I’ve always been a fan of tough minded managers ie: Fred Hutchinson (he doesn’t throw furniture, he throws rooms) and Lou Pinella (he throws whatever isn’t permanently attached). But those types don’t work in the new game. I have my complaints with Bell at times, but today wasn’t one of them. Obviously the hitters lost their mojo over the break, but I never expected them to be where they are now anyway. I don’t see gloom and doom ahead. I see a some exciting years ahead for our Redlegs. I’m still going to enjoy the New reds machine as it gets itself broken in

  16. RedsGettingBetter

    The Brewers defense was better than the Reds’, their pitching was solid enough and they hit in a very timely fashion to score just that they needed to win. The Reds offense was absolutely atrocious and the defense did some huge miscues. The Reds starting pitching was so good and the BP just blinked in the last game to got the loss.. The luck was to the Brewers all the series…
    The Reds should put this series behind and have to focus on the next seven games at GABP as a new beginning to climb to the first place again… It’s not the end of the world yet…

  17. west larry

    Ironically, the reds pitching was really good, but the reds absolutely quit hitting in the three games against the Brewers prior to last night. I am hoping that the hitting comes around. The next two series against the Giants and Diamondbacks won’t be easy, and we will see the back end of the reds pitching staff tomorrow. The reds need to string some wins together. Hopefully Krall can get the reds a quality starter. I shudder to think f the prospect cost. Maybe we can get Lorenzen at a reasonable cost.

    • Jon

      Lorenzen for Barrero straight up should get it done, right?

    • Ted Alfred

      Why in the world would you trade quality prospects for rental pitching now when this club is showing you what they’re made of when it matters? I hope Krall doesn’t do that.

      This year has been great and the Reds resurgence has begun, but let’s not make any foolish trades we will regret for this years team that really doesn’t have any shot of doing anything meaningful in the postseason. They just showed us what they’re made of when the games matter more… and this current team under this manager are just not there yet. Let the young guys continue learning from their mistakes and from these types of pressure packed games while continuing to develop their young pitchers and drawing fans back to the ballpark. I’m all for trading India and Barrero in the off season if not before for pitching you can control for at least 2-3 years at a reasonable salary…but not a high priced rental. Replace Bell with a GOOD manager and get ready to start the season hitting on all cylinders in 2024. I can’t wait to watch these Reds over the next 5 to 8 years, so it’s even more important to me that they continue on this path developing the strentgh in the farm system even more and don’t circumvent the future by making foolish decisions before the trade deadline. Don’t put in good money after bad.

      • Rick

        Yeah, unless something to good reasonably falls in our lap most of our tweaking comes from Louisville on position players & from the IL on the pitching side this season.
        Our young guys are in their readjustment phase of figuring out breaking pitches & changeups at any count inaddition to seeing alot of pitchers for the first time, Brewers not withstanding.
        Future is bright for us the Reds fans. Organizational depth & culture is well underway and being done the correct way. Let it flourish & pay forward for us.
        And a new Mgr. in 2024 to lead us.

      • Chris

        Barrero is not a quality prospect. He’s a bust. If we could get Lorenzen for him, which no way that could possibly happen, it’ would be amazing. Barrero is never going to be needed on this club, but Lorenzen could help a lot.

  18. Steve Schoenbaechler

    Hey, Chicken Littles, just what were you all expecting with a young team? This is simply nothing but a characteristic of a young team. You do understand it’s been a roller coaster and still going to be a roller coaster from here on out.

    Sit some players. Call some in for some extra batting practice, where they actually work on weaknesses. Quit trying to make OFers out of IFers. But, there’s no need to call up the entire Louisville Bats team.

    Dang, I’ve seen this all season, I’ve seen this all last season. Team goes good for a while, then they go bad for a while. When doesn’t that happen to any baseball team, much less a young one?

    Give them some time to make their adjustments. Sorry, but many people don’t respond to “Don’t swing at the low and outside pitches” and it simply happens. Players need to learn to recognize the pitch then need to cut the urge off to swing at it.

    I can take losses, no problem there. I can’t take mistakes. For instance, I just wonder what the lineup is going to look like tomorrow. That can start holding some players accountable for their lack of performance. Webb is starting, a right hander. If there are some serious lineup changes, that’s Bell’s fault. That’s a mistake on Bell.

  19. Votto4life

    The team needs at least two starters, two good bullpen arms (including a left hander) and a middle of the line up bat. Hopefully, Castellini will allow Krall to spend a little money this winter.

    • Melvin

      :and a middle of the line up bat”

      Don’t have to spend money on that or look hard for it.

    • Ted Alfred

      I agree…but this winter…do not overpay at the deadline

  20. Jim Walker

    As I mentioned on the game thread, the AAA Bats play at 6:05pm eastern Sunday. CES and Stuart Fairchild are both in the pregame starting lineup. If one or both are late scratches or early departures for no obvious reason, it could be a sign they will be at GABP tomorrow.

    • Melvin

      That could be very cool but I’m not holding my breath.

    • Melvin

      I’ll be watching or at least keeping track of what’s going on.

    • Rick

      Krall is smart, he has to see that we need a summer tweak. Call them up.

      • Ted Alfred

        Just stop it. Steve S. has already told all of us morons on this board like myself that we are really, really, really stupid for even wanting to consider this. And since him and Krall are buddies and he is dialed in to the top i’s not happening anytime soon?

        Steve S will let us know precisely when Krall lets him know that the time is right for CES to be called up when the planets are so aligned. Likely late August when they’re about 10 games out.

      • Steve Schoenbaechler

        No, Teddy, you just haven’t provided any realistic rationale to make the move. But, I wouldn’t expect anything more from you. That’s alright.

      • Jim Walker

        There is sunken money tied to all 3 likely candidates to be moved if the Reds want to open 1 or more roster spots. They’d definitely prefer to trade them or someone else to paying them in minors or releasing them and being on the hook for the money.

        Senzel is making $1.9m on a one way, 1 year contract; but appears not to have enough service time to decline an option.

        Newman is making $2.6m on a one way, 1 year deal and is very close to having enough service time to decline an option.

        Casali’s deal is more complicated. Casali is making $2.5m this year and has a team option on 2024 @ $4m with a $750k buyout plus another $750 “assignment bonus” which would kick in if he is traded. He cannot be optioned to the minors but could be exposed to waivers and outrighted if he clears. However, he has enough service time to decline the outright but would lose the remaining money due if he declined. If my quick math is on, the remaining guaranteed value in his contract, exclusive of the assignment bonus is about $1.75m. He is not likely to walk away from that.

    • Jim Walker

      CES scratched. Fairchild playing and got a hit (v a LH pitcher in his 1st PA

    • steve d

      CES was replaced by Vosler in Bats’ lineup

  21. Moon

    I knew the Reds would go through some bad spots during the course of the year and these last six games have been about as bad as it gets. It is unfortunate the Reds, due to the all start break splitting the series, had to face the Brewers best three starters in all six games. They certainly shut down the high flying Reds offense. The most aggravating thing to me continues to be the amount of walks the Red relief pitchers give up. Especially the first batter to put them in an immediate hold that is going to last the entire inning. I would like to see our guys throw some more strikes.

    • Hanawi

      Actually they were probably lucky they didn’t get Miley again today. But, the break did allow them to use Williams 5 times in the series and Peguano and Payamps 3 games in a row.

  22. Mark A Verticchio

    I am as upset as anybody about the last 4 games and not overly optimistic but we should not give up. 50 and 44 and 2 games back isn’t the end of the world but things need to change in a hurry. Bringing Strand up now would be a good move to inject some life back into the team. Hopefully it would have the effect that bringing up some of the others did.

  23. Beaufort Red

    At the very least 2 moves need to be made. 1. Casali goes and CES comes up. 2. The batting order needs changing. At the very least move India down and Steer and Benson up. Steer has been our best RBI bat . I know he’s in a slump but who isn’t. He should be hitting 4th or 5th.

  24. Ted Alfred

    You guys are slow learners, like myself. As previously stated 8000 times already by Steve S, his call up could never help and would quite possibly be the dumbest decision in the history of Major League Baseball. In case you haven’t been paying attention, there is no place for him to play on this offensive juggernaut known as the Reds.

    • Steve Schoenbaechler

      No, Teddy, you just haven’t given any realistic rationale for his callup yet. But, I wouldn’t expect anything more from you. That’s alright.

      • MBS

        @Steve, come on now, you’re just being stubborn. A rational reason is CES is a better hitter than Casali, Senzel, and Reynolds. Better hitters get more hits, more hits create more runs, more runs help you win games. 1 player can make a difference in a 1 run game, and we just lost 4 straight 1 run games.

        I know your reasons about playing time, and I’m going to assume you prefer vets as bench players, but the Reds are really in a playoff race, and it started the day EDLC was called up. I’m all about the best 26 man roster we can assemble.

      • Hanawi

        Neither Casali nor Newman played at all in probably the biggest series the Reds have had so far this year. That seems like reason enough to think they provide little value to the team as constructed and can be replaced.

  25. Reddawg2012

    Just some perspective. The Rays lost 7 games in a row before finally winning a game right before the all-star break. The Braves just lost a series, at home, to the lowly White Sox.

    I know these last few games have been super frustrating. Personally, I feel way worse about the outlook for the rest of this season than I did before the last 6 games against the Brewers. But these types of rough stretches happen during a 162 game season. To every team. We will just have to see if this young Reds team can bounce back.

    • Steve Schoenbaechler

      Exactly. And, that’s what people don’t remember, that this happens to every team during every season. It’s the same “Chicken Little” stuff that goes on with radical fanatics. It’s like they think the season ends next week or something.

      We did lose 6 games back in April. 4 of those were to the Pirates. The last one made the Pirates first place. How have the Pirates done since then? How have we done since then?

      I will even admit, making your own argument for you, right around there, McLain and Elly were called up. However, what people don’t remember was. . .Barrero was the starting SS. He simply wasn’t working out “all season” at SS. McLain was hitting well at AAA, “all season”. He was called up, Barrero was sent down. We had a need, McLain filled it.

      Reynolds wasn’t hitting, either, “all season”. We had a need. Elly was hitting well at AAA “all season”. We had a need. Elly was able to fill it, and we sent Reynolds down.

      Barrero and Reynolds lost their playing time due to lack of performance “all season”, not just a couple of games. That’s what prospects are for, to replace the full-timers on the big club who aren’t performing. What regular on here has deserved to lose their playing time due to their lack of performance all season? If anyone, it’s India. So, we would have to DFA him. Trade India? No one would want him. If I was on another team, I wouldn’t want him.

      Now, I could go for that move. But, then you are moving McLain to 2nd, Elly to SS, to move Steer to 3rd (will we trust him there?). No more Steer in the OF. Which means we have one less OF. Which means we will need to call up someone else.

      I would love to see Fairchild up here for that; I called for Fairchild earlier in the season before anyone else. And, we could drop Casali for that. But, then, people need to realize, we lose the C who calls the best game of the three (are we going to lose that). Drop Maile? Then, we lose the best defensive C (are we going to lose that)? Drop Tyler? Then we lose the C with the best bat (are we going to lose that). “Then Tyler can DH.” Wasn’t that the reason for the 3 C deal? And, that would mean CES wouldn’t need to be called up then.

      Then, as well, Bell needs to follow through with playing CES. Bell dropped the 3 C plan after a month. What happens if he drops the plan to play CES?

      Then, all I’m saying is people need to think. You have to think about short term and long term situations.

      What do I mean? Not one person on here can considered simply changing the batting order (I don’t consider just flipping India and Fraley a change in the batting order).

      Very few have considered simply sitting a player for a couple of games. One person even said to call up CES just for a couple of games while you bench Steer; utterly ridiculous. You don’t call up a minor leaguer just to play a couple of games while a regular gets benched. That’s what the “bench player” is for.

      Or, not one person on here has considered long term if we simply reach down to the minors to replace any regular for a couple of games, a regular who goes “0 for” for a couple of games, who’s going to want to sign a contract with us in the future just to compete for a bench position on the big club, when the “opportunity” presents itself that would normally get you playing time, but the team is simply going to bypass you for the next hot minor leaguer? It would get me thinking second. “Sign with the Reds? Nope. I’m working just for a 2nd string position. If would just be bypassed for the next hot minor leaguer just for a couple of games, what’s the use? I’d rather sign and compete with a team who’s going to give me some time that bench players are for.”

    • MBS

      REALLY! That could be big. Love to see him in the Reds lineup tomorrow.

    • west larry

      please bring him up! His presence won’t hurt, and it certainly could help.

  26. Ted Alfred

    I’ve given plenty of rationale and it’s fairly obvious to most of us on the board based on what his strengths are vs what this team’s weaknesses are. I guess using your logic there really would be no reason to ever call him up until Votto is no longer playing on the Reds? I guess I would say in my feeble defense that the Reds offense is currently record-setting horrendously terrible and maybe he could help… pretty simple.

    There are plenty of guys on this team that could be sat down without much of an argument from anyone to get him in the batting order for a few weeks. And again..they do have the DH now in the national league in case you’re not aware? Seems to me like that position is kind of perfect for CES considering the Reds current circumstances. But what do I know when compared to yourself…the Omnipotent Wonder of MLB Truth & Knowledge .

  27. Melvin

    Farichild with a hit and a stolen base on a pickoff throw.

    • Indy Red Man

      Stuey at .341. Senzel lifetime .283 at Louisville and made an error plus a caught stealing today. It’s obvious SF is a better all around player

      • Steve Schoenbaechler

        I wouldn’t say all-around. Better OF, yes. But, Senzel should never have been moved to the OF in the first place.

  28. Indy Red Man

    I vote for Bell to go too. I don’t usually pile on when others do, but this series reminded me of the September collapse in 2021. Young guys slump and make mistakes, but let’s be honest. The Reds had a low baseball IQ when this current batch was 16. It’s nothing new. Votto is on second today with nobody out. Steer gets a couple of middle-away pitches to move him to 3rd but doesn’t and they don’t score. That’s been happening way more then usual since the Rolen era. Get the right manager, instructors, and players to make the makeable plays. They’re never going to out talent the big markets

    • Steve Schoenbaechler

      Agreed. In short, the Reds were scraping the bottom of the barrel when they came up with Bell. No competent manager would have anything to do with the Reds at that time. So, Bell walks in.

      How have the Reds gotten better? Simple. Just look at who the FO has been drafting, trading for, etc. They have brought in much better players. Now, they need to bring in a better manager. At this point in time, I would think there are several more competent managers who would be interested in managing the Reds.

      On a separate note, with or without any callup from the Bats, if there isn’t a serious batting order change tomorrow, that is simply another mistake by Bell. The players need to be held accountable.

  29. old-school

    Tough 3 game series. Didn’t see much from law/Cruz/Sims. Glad Lively seems ok. He’s pitched pretty well. give the Brewers credit. They took 3/3. The top 3 in their order are good. Yellich is an AS caliber player as is Contreras and Adames hits for power and is a good SS. Their defense is good and Williams anchors the bullpen. Got beat by a better team, but they also have serious roster issues over the second half.

    I dont see where Newman, Casali, and probably Senzel have roles. Idk Iike to see Steer more involved in the everyday infield defense so Krall needs to figure out depth chart in the infield. Starting pitching has been pretty good. Im all about improving the pitching and bullpen but Im not selling any good prospects. Replacing Weaver is cosmetic and should happen soon.

    I am a regular contributor here and been to 3 games the last 3 weeks and love Reds baseball and Dougs site. Ive had some nights caught in the game thread moment too…… That said, Doug rightly shut down comments on last nights thread and Ted and Steve are hijacking’s this great forum…Take some time off guys.. Everyone gets an opinion…..but my gosh. Respect Doug’s forum and each other.

    • Steve Schoenbaechler

      ‘Idk Iike to see Steer more involved in the everyday infield defense so Krall needs to figure out depth chart in the infield.”

      I agree with that. I would like to see a more consistent depth chart.

      • MK

        I agree but he has looked pretty good in left.

        Has anybody thought CES was scratched because of a trade.

    • Ted Alfred

      Geez, I though these forums were actually provided to encourage different ideas and to promote civilized back and forth discourse concerning all things Reds I didn’t realize it is really just here for game play-by- play and everone agreeing with each other…silly me. I guess the cancel culture faction is here too.

      • old-school

        Doug shut you down for not being civil. you realize that? Dont shoot the messenger.

        Anyone ….try to post on last night recap. Cant do it.

  30. Ted Alfred

    Can someone please check on Steve S. asap. If CES is actually coming up from Louisville he might require a trip to the Emergency room… stat.

    • Melvin

      I might too…since it’s taken this long. 😀

    • Steve Schoenbaechler

      The insane asylum is ready for you, Teddy.

  31. Melvin

    Broadcast doesn’t know why CES was scratched last minute. Good sign. 🙂

    • Steve Schoenbaechler

      Interesting. I’m not for it or against it. For, unlike others, I want to know what corresponding move was done first.

      With or without CES, without a change in the batting order tomorrow, I mean several moves made, not just flipping a couple of players, that’s a mistake by Bell. The players need to be held accountable.

      • Steve Schoenbaechler

        I’ve even said on here I can see CES being called up (Sorry for Teddy; he hasn’t learned to read yet). I just want to know the corresponding move.

      • Indy Red Man

        Can’t bench young guys for slumping though? Not 4-5 at a time anyway? Huge mistake today, but Freidl tracks the ball as well as any CF we’ve had. Move the lineup around and add CES, but they’ve got to play these guys even if we fall out of it. Elly isn’t getting the barrel on anything? He’s so unlike anyone I’ve seen that I don’t know how they coach him? Maybe tomorrow they put Benson in CF and Steer in LF with Joey/CES 1B/DH

      • Steve Schoenbaechler

        For Indy. . .

        I could see those changes. I could see any changes, with or without CES. But, no changes (or even minimal, like simply starting CES at DH but keeping the same batting order, the same fielding, etc.), that’s a huge mistake on Bell. Players need to be held accountable.

      • Ted Alfred

        F.Y.I….Earlier today I suggested moving Votto to #3, since that’s where he’s played most of his career and he’s shown the most consistent power since coming back. Move Benson/Steer to 5/6 and India to 7. A couple of weeks ago I also suggested moving India back to lead off which seems to be his most effective comfort zone, dropping Friedl/McClain to 2/3 and under that scenario Votto #4, Elly 5, Steer 6, Benson 7. I think that is also possibly worth trying

    • Rick

      Maybe they should ask us(hypothetically speaking) as to why 🙂

  32. Ted Alfred

    Sorry for Teddy; he hasn’t learned to read yet). I just want to know the corresponding move.

    I must have missed that pearl of buried wisdom…either way glad to see you coming around?

    • Steve Schoenbaechler

      Never did leave. It simply seems like people are thinking now around here, getting passed the “Chicken Little syndrome” and actually thinking, considering things.

      Like how we lost 6 straight games in April, 4 of those to the Pirates, the last loss to them putting the Pirates in first in the division. How have they done in 3 months? How have we done in 3 months? And, how much more of the season left? 2.5 months?

  33. Optimist

    The Brewers are not a good team, but they are a sound team and well managed. Still not overly concerned, and want to see what the remaining July schedule brings. Plenty of time to sort thru and recover and move upwards.

    Plenty of options to bring up CES, and simply doing so is enough of a shake up. Unlike Steve, don’t really care what the corresponding move is – there are plenty of choices. Sure they could make a stupid move but that won’t be caused by CES. Nothing forced yet.

    Most urgent need is pitching help, either one starter or 2 relievers.

    • Steve Schoenbaechler

      So, you don’t care of Elly gets traded to bring CES up? Or, McLain gets sent to the 40 day IL to make room for CES? Or, trade AA?

      The corresponding move does matter.

      • Optimist

        As I said – “Sure they could make a stupid move but that won’t be caused by CES.”

  34. Mark Moore

    I’m at a complete loss for thoughts on today’s fiasco. So I’m choosing to take a pass on any substantive comment and move on to the game tomorrow. Can’t change the past anyway, right?

    Y’all make this bearable, you know … you really do.

    • Melvin

      I’m sure you had a good dinner and that helps make it bearable too. 🙂

  35. Melvin

    Barrero looks to be a different player gaining confidence. He’s got another double tonight and a walk while playing good defense. Looks to becoming his “old self”.

    • Melvin

      He just got called out on strikes, challenged it, and won. That’s what I wan to see.

      • Jason Franklin

        I want the MLB to have the pitch challenges. How does it look?

      • Melvin

        I like it a lot. It’s like tennis. You get three challenges and as long as you keep winning you don’t lose any if I’m not mistaken.

  36. Erik the Red

    Not sure why CES is not up since he has hit well at every level. Regardless they need to score four or five runs a game to make any trade worthwhile. They could be playing to their normal level now

  37. Roger Garrett

    Barrero is way down the list of possible call ups to the majors.His fate was sealed by first Little Mac and then EDLC if not Newman before the season began and last I looked he is playing short stop so he ain’t coming up regardless.Bats have several guys starting with CES and Fairchild and Chuckie that are just killing the ball and they aren’t here yet while we watch Newman play first and DH and watch Casali do whatever he does.Maybe Barrero gets a shot on another team that is willing just to hand him the keys for 450 or 500 at bats as an every day player just to see what may happen.Reds can’t have any plans for him if he is playing short could they?

    • Melvin

      He has been playing CF lately with Lopez at SS.

      • Melvin

        He’s got a ways to go still. He did have a double and a walk tonight but still had three Ks. Average up now to .253 and OPS .862.

      • Melvin

        Lopez making himself valuable hitting for more power and still for a good average while playing RF, LF, 3B, SS, and 2B.

    • JB

      Played Center last night. They need strong arms in the outfield. Freidl and Fraley have average arms at best. Not sure if Barrero is the answer there though.

  38. Jason Franklin

    Time to blow up the 3 headed beast at catcher. I say keep Stephenson up here, call up Chuckie Robinson (deserves it) and boost Maile and Casali off the team. That would be an upgrade in so many ways. You open up flexibility for the team, reward a guy who has been banging the ball and throw some fire into the team. If CES is coming up, who does he replace? Or does he just take the spot of the spare catcher? 🙂

    • VaRedsFan

      You can remove Casali, but not Maile.
      If you remove both and bring up Chuckie, then you have just lost all catching depth.
      Catching injuries happen all the time. We don’t need a repeat of last year.

  39. Melvin

    Marte just hit a sac fly to tie it and Hopkins hit a three homer to walk it off in the 10th.

    • JB

      CES was not there at home plate for the celebration.

      • Melvin

        Packing for his trip to Cincy….hopefully. 😉

  40. Roger Garrett

    Bats win on a walk off 3 run homer by wait for it wait for it HOPKINS who is also pounding the ball.Forgot about him and Ramos as well.

    • Melvin

      If you’re counting guys who’ve been pounding the ball you can throw in Reynolds. Even Siani is hitting much better. There may be something to bringing up that hitting coach. lol

  41. Melvin

    Just in on MLB trade rumors. Reds to promote. CES ;D…no kidding. 🙂

    • Hanawi

      Saw on Twitter that his agency confirmed it

      • Melvin

        Considering we’ve scored like three runs in fours games against our #1 rival I’d say he just might be able to help. 🙂

      • Melvin

        Will be real interesting to see what happens next. Logically it’s Casali gone or Newman traded…or both.

  42. Rob

    With all of these talented prospects, and redundant at a couple of positions, and a pocket full of 2024 cash, I sure hope we don’t waste our 2023 season and aim low with the likes of Lynn and Lorenzen. They are barely better than Lively and Williamson. I am not saying shoot for the stars but you certainly have the quantity of talent to reel in a real pitcher like Cease or Scherzer and a LH relief pitcher. You sit by idly and the Brewers, Giants, and Phillies are going to add on and you are going to haveLance Lynn and the same boatload of prospects that you started with. Then over the winter when it is after the fact, you will make the trades and tell us how great2024 will be. You can make the same deals now or almost, and give yourself a real shot at the 2023 playoffs.