Just before Josh the Pilot and I once again departed Ohio for the single-bar reception life of a National Park in the West, the Reds played the Orioles. The first of these matchups did not, in the words of every social media account of every sports team, “go the way we hoped.” So I texted my best friend, a Loveland native who lives just outside Baltimore and was therefore in charge of the situation.
“CARAH. MAKE THE ORIOLES STOP SCORING RUNS,” I type-yelled. “YOU’RE CLOSER. This is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY.”
She issued the worst possible response: Many happy emojis and the words “Let’s go O’s!”
“what have you become,” I responded, because there is no emoji for “appalled” and all that was left was to lowercase everything.
Claiming
Although once a state-hopper like me, she responded that she’d now lived in Maryland longer than she’d ever lived in Ohio, and her loyalties shifted accordingly.
Then again, this is Loveland we’re talking about– we claim it, but it doesn’t necessarily claim us. The ties aren’t nearly as binding from 45 minutes away. When Carah and I met as freshmen in college, the hometown nametag on her dorm door read “Loveland, OH,” and, when I exalted that we were both Cincinnatians, she politely informed me that no, she was from Loveland.
Normally I wouldn’t press the issue, for now my Carah is unquestionably lost. What truly concerns me is the eternal fate of her eight offspring. The mother has defected from the True Faith, but the children may yet be saved.
That wasn’t going to happen with the general state of the Reds over the past three decades. But now there’s a chance to bring the little chicks home, as their familial destiny demands. And now that the Reds are no longer an object of pity–for three whole weeks, but aren’t the clouds 1% less lowering?– we might pull them back to our side through awe, if not affection.
Baltimore reappeared in my life later that week, as I sat on horseback somewhere in Yellowstone National Park, doing my very best to avoid becoming murdered and/or eaten. Jouncing along in front of me was a man who indicated that he was from the DC area of Maryland, and, forced to make human conversation while all the horses stopped, having decided that the best thing possible under these circumstances was pee in unison, I said, “Do you claim the Orioles or the Nationals?”
“Yankees,” he snapped.
Oh.
The Almost-Insufferable Harrison Ford
I quietly resumed my place behind him on the trail, wondering how such a thing had come to pass. I certainly wasn’t going to ask. How does a person possibly form a warm attachment with the Yankees?
They aren’t lovable. They win, yes, which commands respect, but not necessarily love and affection. Love and affection only go so far– some would say the cutoff is 33 years since significant advancement in the playoffs– but human fallibility inspires human attachment. Surface perfection in humans disquiets. Harrison Ford would be insufferable to gaze upon without the dashing scar on his chin.
Then again, there’s a limit. Were you happy for the Stupid Cubs when they finally won a World Series? Sure, we all were!
And now how do you feel about them?
It’s a delicate balance– we dole out affection on spec, don’t we, demanding an offset of mechanical perfection with the occasional inability to cook pasta correctly. Too much magnificence and the other party is offputtingly pristine, unrelatable. Too much in need of help to navigate basic life skills and you’ve got Jar-Jar Binks. Or the 1991-2022 Cincinnati Reds.
Brute, Might, and Bison
I suppose that’s why I left Yellowstone with a sense of appreciation, but not attachment. It was so big, so wide, so tall, so intent on slaying anyone daring to look it in the face. The rental car company included a free can of bear spray in the glove compartment. Everything about this part of the country is specifically calculated to ward off human activity– not that I can blame it. There is no seduction of the heart, just unstoppable and mighty forces of nature. Yellowstone demands where the likes of Cincinnati’s gentler hills modestly request.
There’s a reason why I’ve often referred to Yellowstone as Darwin’s Playground. If it isn’t bears, it’s bubbling pools of Acidic Death. If it isn’t boiling water shooting straight out of the surface of the Earth, it’s subzero windchills in June. If it’s not clouds of mosquitos, it’s Rip Wheeler and a convenient cliff.
Or it’s the the bison. Our first fifteen or so bison sightings were a delight, but we got over closeup views of this threatened species with alarming rapidity. Despite the massive crowds tromping through each year, Yellowstone does not experience traffic jams. They have bison jams. Blatantly ignoring acres of native woodlands set aside specifically for them, these beard-cows favor wandering about the middle of the road for hours at a time, pretending to nuzzle hot asphalt in search of nutrition.
At some point such behavior stops demonstrating dumb animal curiosity and becomes downright spite. The cloven hoof becomes a middle finger. The bison, once driven to near-extinction, now strike back through brute stubbornness and a total refusal to give a *&@^.
On our last day in the park, Josh ordered a bison burger for dinner.
The Long-term Relationship
Yellowstone dares you to love it, but first you have to survive it. I often said “This is spectacular!” but never “I will dwell in this land.” The Yankees will accept your words of praise, but they will never return them. And that, for me, is not the basis of a long-term relationship.
The Reds, on the other hand, surfaced every so often from the whirlpool of endless losses to throw us a Little Red Machine, a Home Run Derby, the decade-long balm of Votto. We’re given just enough to live on until we reach the next oasis. Our patience is criminally tried, and sometimes the head of the body is downright insulting, but a team that’s a living thing is far easier to embrace than one you will not survive looking upon.
Always a nice read, Mary Beth. Thank you.
I appreciate the time you took to wade through it 🙂
“The mother has defected from the True Faith, but the children may yet be saved.”
Ah the generational sins that get passed down. Like my dear wife corrupting DD#1 to root hard for Notre Dame every football season. Nothing we can do to stop it. Not really.
I’m fresh off a trip to DC and the first two wins in that series. Nats park is a wonderful venue and the fans were great. Plenty of Cincy colors flying in the ballpark as well. I explained to more than a few folks how I latched on to our Reds in the early 70’s as much for anti-NYY reasons as any others. And it stuck. Here I am about 50 years later, and I willingly spend some downtime seeking out Reds baseball at the closest venue.
The whole “beard cow” scenario is beyond amusing. Then again, I’m not blocked due to bison herds. Kudos to Josh for his dinner choice.
I grew up in northern Indiana. After stating this to a new acquaintance, he replied, “Oh, you must be a Notre Dame fan then.”
The conversation ended there and I have not spoken to him since after an insult like that. 😉
There are more Reds fans in the stadium than Nationals folks. You can hear them chanting. It’s amazing.
Yellowstone is a place I wish everyone could experience once. And a frequent location for candidates for the Darwin Awards to strut their stuff. As for the “True Faith”, I live hundreds of miles from my roots and my team loyalties have never changed. That’s just not done.
You know, I always kind of lose a little respect for people who ditch their childhood teams … I have a close friend who finally ditched the Cubs for the Braves after moving to Atlanta in the 90s. Who could blame him? But then, the Cubs finally persevere and win a World Series for the ages. He was back – all-in during the playoffs – but to me, it seemed hollow. I knew his joy was tainted and somewhat insincere. Like cheating on your second wife with your first:-)
I knew a guy that did that. Then remarried the 1st wife. Some folks are simply nuts.
I had to move from Ky. to SE TN. in February 1994. I use to drive the 5.5 to 6 hr trip to Cincinnati once to 2 times a year to watch them. Even the Duane Walker, Householder bad teams. Took my 2 young son’s with me. I brought my Reds fandom with me. Been a Reds fan for 57 years.
You are passing the torch proudly, sir.
I’ve been a Reds fan at least since 1958, when my dad took me to a doubleheader against the Pirates. Haven’t lived in Ohio since 1969. West Coast since 1973. So Cal since 1980. Will remain a Reds (and Bengals) fan to the end, and would be rooting for the Royals if they still existed (hard to discern them in the Sacramento Kings). True sports fans do not change allegiance with geographical translocation.
Also, wonderful as Yellowstone is, the park just to the south, Grand Tetons, is better. Go to Ox Bow Bend at dawn to see what Eden might have looked like. Have a drunk at sunset in the Blue Heron Bar at Jackson Lake Lodge.
Yes, definitely a must-stop to truly grasp the wide ranges of the American West.
The past is the past and we have the Big Red Machine to look upon as our glory. The offense was good from 1970 – 1974. But in 1975 Griffey and Foster joined the lineup and it took a huge step forward. As 1976 unfolded, Griffey, Concepcion, Geronimo and Foster take steps forward as expected with experience. This is offset though by the regressions of Bench and Perez. Fortunately, Morgan has his career year and the 1976 offense is even better than that of 1975.
Fast forward to 2023. In the one month since ELDC came to Cincinnati the Reds are 20-6. This resurgence is led by the offense. The Reds have scored an average of 5.85 runs per game in the last month. This compares to 5.19 runs per game for the 1975 Reds.
Is the 2023 offense better than the 1975 offense? The 1975 offense was one of the best of all time. One might argue the 1975-1976 Big Red Machine was the best offense of all time. But lets compare the first 3 months of stats of the current lineup vs. 1975. For some players the stats are less than 3 months since EDLC, Benson and McLain spent time in AAA.
1. Rose vs. Friedl. First glance says Rose is one of the best players of all time and therefore, is much better than Friedl. But a closer look and they are very similar. Both have the hustle and guts Rose is known for throughout his career. Friedl has more speed.
Rose: .317/.409/.432/.841
Friedl: .307/.375/.471/.846
Very similar line. I give Rose a slight edge here because of OBP but this is ever so slight and closer than one would think. Question is can Friedl maintain this pace for the next 3 months.
2. McLain vs. Griffey
McLain: .305/.374/.537/.911
Griffey: .305/.391/.402/.793
McLain has some power Griffey did not. McLain wins by a wide margin.
3. Morgan vs. India
Morgan: .327/.466/.508/.974
India: .255/.344/.426/.770
This is a blowout. Morgan was the best player in baseball in 1975. India is at best the 6th best hitter on the Reds in 2023.
4. Bench vs. EDLC
Bench: .283/.359/.519/.878
EDLC: .308/.348/.490/.838
Right now Bench wins. But I think by YE it will be close because it seems to take EDLC time to adjust to a new level. Next year EDLC will win this battle by about the same amount that 1975 Morgan beats 2023 India.
5. Steer vs. Perez
Steer: .292/.381/.505/.886
Perez: .282/.350/.466/.816
At the end of the day Marte, Arroyo, CES or Hector Rodriguez may be the best offensive player obtained in last years sellout. But if they are better than Steer they are going to be very good. Steer is much better this year than HOF Tony Perez was in 1975.
6. Fraley/Senzel vs. Foster
Fraley vs. RHP: .310/.392/.535/.927
Senzel vs. LHP: .373/.422/.627/1.049
Foster: .300/.356/.518/.874
Foster is without a doubt better than Fraley. But he is not better than the platoon Bell is working with here. Large edge to the Platoon.
7. Stephenson vs. Concepcion
Stephenson: .262/.340/.383/.723
Concepcion: .274/.326/.353/.736
Edge to Stephenson because I think by YE he will be better, he has a penchant for the clutch and has a higher OBP. It is narrow win by Stephenson at this point, but by YE I think Stephenson wins easily.
8. Benson/Newman vs. Geronimo
Benson: .282/.378/.447/.825I
Benson vs. RHP: .295/.391/.453/.844
Newman vs. LHP: .307/.388/.520/.908
Geronimo: .257/.327/.363/.690
I think Benson should be playing ahead of Votto vs. LHP but time will tell. I would not mind Casali being let go and creating a Benson/Fairchild platoon. Either way, Geronimo gets smoked here.
9. Votto vs. Pitcher
Votto has struggled this year but no contest here.
The 1975 Reds win only 3 of the nine battles. One by a landslide. One by a decent margin and the third (Rose/Friedl) by the slimmest of margins.
I think it is quite possible that the 1975 Reds will only be ahead in one of these 9 battles by YE.
Is this offense better than the 1975 offense?
No. Just no. This made me LOL.
Since you don’t know much about the BRM in the mid 1970s, the best offense among those Reds teams was 1976 https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CIN/1976.shtml not 1975. It was #1 in virtually every category in the NL that year.
The 1975 and 1976 Reds teams played its best players in the starting lineup only 80 games out of 324 games those two years.
They played their best starters in the lineup (with Driessen as DH) every game in the postseason. They were 14-3 against the best (other) teams in the NL and AL.
I remember Sparky’s comment about the ’76 post-season. When asked what the thought the Reds chances were to repeat, he replied, “I think we’ll win it in 7.” Everyone assumed the World Series since the League playoffs were just 5 games. Well, the Reds swept the Phillies three straight, then swept the Yankees in four straight, and Sparky said, “See, I told you I though we’d win in 7.”
I think it is safe to say I know more than you think about the BRM. In fact I would be surprised if you knew more than me. I know the 1976 offense was better than the 1975 offense. If you cared to read my post before making your rediculous post you will see I state the 1976 Reds offense was better than the 1975 Reds offense in the first paragraph. Maybe you should read my post before you tell me I don’t know what I am talking about.
I compared OPS+ from the two teams. Assuming a 70/30 platoon split the 1975 Reds had an OPS+ of 1,001. At this point the 2023 Reds have an OPS+ of 1,008. What the OPS+ of the 2023 team will be at YE, I don’t know. But I am confident the 2023 teams OPS+ will be close to that of the 1975 team. Therefore you being critical of my facts holds no truth. I do know that since EDLC joined the team the Reds have scored 5.85 runs per game. The 1975 Reds scored 5.19 runs per game and the 1976 Reds scored 5.29 runs per game. Therefore, this team has scored more runs per game than either BRM team.
In short Oldtimer your post was off base. My post was informative and insightful. Sorry if my post blows up your mindset on the Big Red Machine being the best offense of all time but this club has built something special and maybe you should sit back and enjoy it.
I can’t help but feel the 2024 offense will be similar to the 1976 offense. Young players breaking in in 1975 take a step forward in 1976 (Geronimo, Griffey, Foster and Concepcion). As good as they have been I can’t help but think the Reds rookies (Steer, EDLC and McLain) and near rookie (Benson) will improve next year.
Wow.
One guy posts a series of comparative stats (between players) and another guy blows them off with ~50 year old memories.
The poster comps current Reds with 1975 and the other guy says “1976!”
Sure…a lot of useful comparative data is missing, but it is interesting to see.
Shows you how hard it can be to have a thoughtful discussion around here.
The Big Red Machine was nearly 50 years ago.
That’s comparable to ‘70s Reds fans pining for those great teams from the ‘20s….
The 1975 & 196 Reds are the best NL team ever.
The 2023 Reds are not and will not be even close to the best NL team ever.
1976, not 196. I wish there a way to fix my typos.
It is, Harry, but we have our memories, and those were heady days.
Agree Harry, The OPS+ and WAR would tell a lot more than the BA/OPS line, especially without the OPS+
I suspect the era of playing on all artificial turf except for base sliding pits at least 81 games in a season is so far in the past many don’t understand the speed of play aspect, especially on defense.
Concepcion and Geronimo were the unsung heroes of those teams due to the defense they brought. In ’75 Concepcion compiled 3.9 bWAR. Geronimo had 4.1 bWAR.
As far as OPS+
Morgan was 169
Bench 140
Foster 139
Rose 132
Perez 124
The current Reds?
McLain 137
Steer 132
Friedl 122
Fraley 118
India 102
Stephenson 91.
76 team especially right Oldtimer? 🙂
Thank you Harry. I appreciate your response.
For comparative sake I will include the OPS+ of each player for further comparison. Instead of ordering by lineup I will sort from highest to lowest. Please note that outside of Geronimo and Concepcion the 1975 team is better. It is just that the lower part of the of this team is much better than the 1975 team.
Morgan: 169…. Fraley/Senzel platoon: 162
Bench: 140…. McLain 137
Foster: 139…. Newman/Benson platoon: 137
Rose: 132…. Steer 132
Perez: 124…. Friedl 122
Griffey: 119…. EDLC 119
Geronimo: 90… India 102
Concepcion 88… Votto 97
Another thing I love about this team is that they are clutch. Never seen so many 2 out rallys before.
To be clear I am not saying this team is better than the 1975 Reds. I am comparing offense only. Starting pitching for the 2023 team is woefully short of the 1975 team. There may never be a team that compares up the middle to Bench, Morgan, Concepcion and Geronimo. But this offense is very good. Sit back and enjoy it.
I like your post Harry and agree that the top 5 or 6 2023 Reds are not as good as the top 5 or 6 1975 Reds. I like your observation on speed playing a larger role back in 1975 thanks to the turf. But offensively, this team is stealing more bases per game than the 1975 Reds and since EDLC has arrived it isn’t even close.
This offense is special Reds fans. Don’t let your love of the Big Red Machine force you into a corner in thinking no team can ever compare. This team compares to the 1975 Reds offense. Next years team may very well be better than the 1976 Reds offense.
I’m with @Old-Timer here. Put both teams on the field face to face and I know where my money is going.
Of course, if for no other reason than what the BRM would do to this year’s patchwork starting pitching. But this team likely hasn’t reached its full potential. It may or it may not, but its emergence has been so unexpected, such a source of engagement, that..what? Watching baseball is once again exciting, just as it was with the BRM and 1990 Reds.
Getting there but not there yet.
The 1975 Reds scored 5.19 Runs per game. I am confident that from this point forward the 2023 Reds will score more than 5.19 Runs per game.
Again I am not saying the team is better. I am saying the offense is at least equal to the 1975 Reds.
@Stock, remember they did that with a pitcher batting. You’ve got apples and oranges on that comparison.
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Really excellent comparison, LDS.
We just got back on Sunday from a week out west, and Yellowstone was one of our stops. Though it really was amazing, it was a rough time to take a break from watching the Reds.
We spent more time with that first bison we came across than the 100+ bison combined that came after. However, seeing the bears (including a grizzly) was very cool.
Oh there was just NO wifi. And I don’t mind that if I’ve had a chance to prepare for it, which I did, but every now and then a signal would trickle through and I’d get a Reds score update. But I seem to have picked a good game to miss… last I saw it was 12-5 Not the Reds… apparently that one didn’t go well.
“Were you happy for the Stupid Cubs when they finally won a World Series? Sure, we all were!”
Hey, speak for yourself.
+100,000
And here’s another +100,000.
Are we limited to only 100,000?
Not to my knowledge, but frugality will out.
Aligning pluses to resources?
It’s smart to conserve them; you wouldn’t want to run out in a time of need.
you guys! lol
Carah? Was she in Drink to the Lasses? I don’t recall that name. While we’re at it, where’s that next book?
You know when your in the wilderness, it’s important to tell what kind of bears are about by an examination of their scat, right? Do you know how to do this?
I think Beard Cows would be a great minor league ball club name.
Oh my goodness, yes! Wow! Thank you so much for reading DttL and for remembering Carah The BFFE <3
Next book is… pending 🙂
I understand your angst. I raised my three children to be Reds fans and UNC basketball fan. Thankfully both my boys still are but unfortunately my son-in law grew up a UVA fan and has raised my granddaughter as a UVA fan. My heart still aches over that. It was my fault, I was the one that moved the family to Virginia.
Oh dear. That’s rough. I have cousins’ kids who mostly grew up in Charlotte and I just… it’s so WEIRD to see Cincinnati people adopt the Panthers.
“The Yankees will accept your words of praise, but they will never return them. And that, for me, is not the basis of a long-term relationship.”
What a great encapsulation of a feeling I’ve always had. The Yankees have certainly had some legendary players on their team (and their fans have every right to root for them), but there’s something so inexplicably hollow about cheering for the Goliath pay-roll teams. To build on Mary Beth’s relationship metaphor, what do you give and get by supporting the Yankees or the Red Sox? Where’s the narrative? Where are the crests and troughs? When teams like that disappoint on the diamond, what does it matter to Joe Six-Pack? So far as he’s concerned, the Yankees are still at the center of the baseball universe — their brand is just as arrogant (and their cult of media-worshipers just as large) as ever before. And if losses don’t phase the big-market brand, then neither do wins enrich it; seasons come and go for the Yankees, with nothing really ever at stake.
I’m painting with a broad brush, but the point remains: Mary Beth’s post touches on how happy I am to be a Reds fan. The excitement of this baseball season would mean NOTHING without the many years of Doldrums before it. GO REDLEGS!
Rooting for the Yankees has been compared to rooting for General Motors.
No comparison.
I’d root for General Motors, General Grant, Yellowstone Park, Jellystone Park, the bison and Yogi Bear before rooting for the Evil Empire.
I agree. Wasn’t my comparison.
Oh. That’s good.
I am honored that you would take the time to leave such incisive analysis. Thank you for expanding on this 🙂
I’ve had a bison burger. It was good.
The first time we saw the bison, Josh waved and informed them that they made a delicious burger for him last week. But I think he enjoyed eating this one more….
Concerning the bison: they live there. We’re just visiting.
Well we all live there now because they prevent us from leaving the park FOREVER.
You’re still there!!!???
I’m loving this year but player to player comparisons from different eras makes no sense, especially with such a small sample size of these current guys. Aristedes was Babe Ruth for five minutes. TJ is a fun exciting player I hope is around for twenty years but comparing him to Pete after three months? I hope for years to come we get to see these players win or at least compete but 75/76 was a time of great players and 90 was so much fun in Cincinnati without the HOFers. Wish I still lived there but I’m glad I never gave up on the two teams. Now I just need to become a FC fan.
Good points. And so much has changed since that era. It doesn’t seem like that long ago, but consider the shifts in pitching alone.
The parks are (I think) smaller, pitching is weaker. Can’t compare that easily. I love the current team but they have a ways to go
Exactly. The only comparison I’m making is how much fun this is compared to most of the past 30 years and, particularly, how much fun this style of baseball is compared to the dismal, plodding imitation of the great game that we’ve been subjected to in the “three true outcome” era. I will say, though, that these young guys are starting to develop a degree of inevitability that reminds me of the BRM. The upcoming games against the Brewers will be a scary test of that.
Krall said that they have no plans of shutting Abbott down with a innings limit.
He said with his workload first at UVA & last year’s innings. Great news!
Indeed
Made my day!
I’ll take that!
I’m a former Loveland resident who will be a Reds fan until the end. Fortunately, we moved to Iowa which has no major league teams of any sort.
Goodness gracious, that’s a haul. I hope you were able to evangelize some Iowans along the way 🙂
If Bell was so into analytics, why not move India back to leadoff? He was much better at leadoff. And, a 1-2 of him and Friedl I believe would only help Friedl. With India on, it would open up the right side for Friedl.
Then, you could put McLain in the 3 hole. If you don’t believe he’s ready for that, put Steer there and put McLain in the 5 hole.
Matt would hit from any position with the same approach, I do believe.
I don’t believe India’s move the 3-hole has anything to do with recent struggles.
Didn’t say it did. But, bottom line, he’s not batting as well in the 3 hole as he did in the 1 hole.
Platooning is fun!!
I liked India at lead-off, followed by Friedl. But I like this, too, and they continue to win. India has significant pop, so more opportunities for him to bat with runners on base is a reasonable strategy.
I grew up a Cardinals fan in the early 70s in southern Illinois, but grew frustrated with their sloppy play. My dad told me if I wanted to be good at baseball, play like Pete Rose. I fell in love with his aggressiveness and love for the game. I fell in love and declared the Reds my NEW team in 1975. I remember the 1976 playoffs bring so boring. There was no doubt(in my mind) that the Reds were not losing. Not sure why I don’t remember the success of the early 70s As teams. I might have been too young plus most of the postseason was played during the school day. I have to go back to 1999 to having this much fun rooting for the Reds
I gotta say, I loved watching Gibson pitch.
Jt,I to grew up in southern Illinois in the 70,s and was big reds fan than as I started in 1970,but really didn’t have much issue with cardinals until they created central division
@wayne ….I didn’t have a problem with the Cardinals until Molina, Chris Carpenter, and Larussa all became Hippocrites. If the Cardinals did something ( throw inside and high, steal a base up by 7….I could go on) it was the Cardinal way. If another team did the same thing, the Cardinals would bitch and whine. That’s why I totally agreed with Brandon Phillips. WLB= Whiny little bitches
That is a fantastic origin story. Welcome home.
The Baseball Gods, they were not pleased,
And so this score you have to read: The Reds lost One to Nothing.
Am I on to something ?
Joey Votto got his room,
But for the Rookie it was too soon,
Yes, it matters how we do platoon …
But Oh Good Morning in the Night,
Look how they’re calling Balls and Strikes !
Who can ever make that right ?
Yes, the Baseball Gods are calling,
And why should the Reds be falling ?
The score was One to Nothing…