The Cincinnati Reds have officially declined the 2023 option on left-handed starter Mike Minor. That move was expected after Minor posted a 6.06 ERA in 19 starts for the Reds in 2022. The 34-year-old pitcher noted as the season ended that he had been contemplating retirement as his season ended late in the year with a sore shoulder. Cincinnati will owe Minor a buyout of $1,000,000 – but the Kansas City Royals did send $500,000 over to the Reds when Minor was acquired from them if the team opted to decline his 2023 option.

Along with the move of declining the option on Minor, five Reds reached free agency as the season officially came to an end. With that, players on the 60-day injured list were also “activated”, making them officially a part of the 40-man roster again when it comes to actually be counted on as one of the 40 players. That chain of events leaves the Cincinnati 40-man roster at 39. That will chance over the next week as the team will need to choose players to add to the 40-man roster to protect them from the upcoming Rule 5 draft, which will likely mean non-tendering, trading, or designating some players for assignment in order to create space.

The Cincinnati Reds are losing assistant pitching coach Eric Jagers to the New York Mets according to a report from Michael Mayer of Metsmerized. Jagers is taking on the role of Director of Pitching Development with the Mets.

The departure of Eric Jagers to another organization is just another in the long line of pitching related departures in the organization in the last few years. After the 2020 season the Reds lost assistant pitching coach/director of pitching Caleb Cothom to the Philadelphia Phillies where he took over as their pitching coach. In the 2021 season, near the end of the minor league season, Kyle Boddy exited the organization after serving as the teams director of pitching. During the 2022 season the Triple-A pitching coach, Seth Etherton exited the organization to take an assistant coaching job at USC.

There has been a whole lot of turnover with regards to pitching over the last few years. Derek Johnson took over as the Director of Pitching when Kyle Boddy exited the organization. However, during the season he shared some of that role with the minor league pitching coordinators so he could focus more on the day-to-day stuff at the big league level. Now Johnson will have to help find a new assistant pitching coach for the third time in three seasons.

25 Responses

  1. Optimist

    As far as the pitching coaches issues – other than Boddy’s departure, these were all promotions, correct? If so, good for them, and a good sign of the Reds organizational strength in this. OTOH, c’mon, get someone in the MiLB organization on a 2-3 year contract and build stability – sure, you always want people moving up, and sometimes out, but you still need the people for continuity. At the time thought the organization structure was a big positive from Dick Williams as GM – is it still, or is this a step back?

    • Doug Gray

      Cotham absolutely got a promotion. It’s tough to say if Jagers got a promotion or not. He probably got a raise, and there is probably more likely room to move up in the organization with the Mets than with the Reds – so even if it’s not actually a “promotion”, it’s probably a better gig for a multitude of reasons.

      Etherton’s job is different. He’s probably paid a lot better as a college coach than he was as a professional coach, which is absolutely wild.

      • Optimist

        I commented over on the bird as well – the NCAA salaries are interesting. MLB really missing the boat on that competition. Iowa Hawkeye baseball as innovators – MLB asleep at the switch is nothing new, but cries, get it together.

  2. David

    “The Reds needed to have Mike Minor another year so that maybe I would be forgotten” – Eric Milton, remember me?

    I don’t think Derrick Johnson is a bad guy, but everybody wants to be the straw that stirs the drink. Kyle Boddy, for example.
    Caleb Cothom was another good guy, but he knew he was blocked by Derrick Johnson.
    I think this is a good career move for Eric Jagers.

    I’m sure that Johnson has a few guys he knows that would replace Jagers.

  3. LDS

    One would like to think declining the Minor option was a foregone conclusion, but until today I wasn’t sure it would happen. As for the Reds pitching coaches, best of luck to Jagers. So far, I’m not overwhelmed by the progress of the Reds pitching development. Too much focus on strikeouts and throwing hard. Too many walks. Too many blown arms.

    • Michael

      LDS,

      In all seriousness you did not see some positive momentum for the 3 young guns this year?

      • LDS

        I did. But all three sustained injuries and all three are potential stars. They have to prove themselves. However, the strikeout, walk, and blow your arm out isn’t a winning long term strategy. Like to see Greene live up to expectations, but he’s already had one TJ. Right now I’m more optimistic about Lodolo.

  4. TR

    A good offseason move to decline the option of Mike Minor. Will Wade Miley be available from the Cubs?

  5. J

    Ordinarily I’d assume Minor will be signed for next to nothing by some other team and suddenly become a pretty good pitcher, but in this case I’m not too concerned about that.

    • Harry Stoner

      You may very well be right, we’ve seen it before.

      Put yourself in Minor’s shoes.

      He got paid $10M for the 2022 season.

      All he had to do was show up, pitch for 4 innings, get shelled and take a shower.

      19 starts (surprised it was so many) so $500K per start, $100K per inning.

      Or $5.7K per pitch.

      Not the greatest amount of incentive there.

      Maybe he’ll have to work a little harder on another team?

  6. MK

    Odd other teams would want to emulate the Reds pitching by picking up their coaches.

    • Doug Gray

      Coaches can only do so much with what they’ve got to work with.

      • Harry Stoner

        That’s true, but I don’t know how much praise a PC deserves for working with a top shelf talent vs. the ability to raise the game of a poor or mediocre pitcher, which the Reds have had in abundance lately.

        Who knows, it’s entirely possible that Johnson and Jagers worked wonders with Strickland et al and their terrible performance was actually an improvement over what could have been.

        Left to their own devices they might have walked the first two or three batters they faced.

    • TR

      I believe credit goes to DW in getting DJ from the Brewers.

    • Colorado Red

      Beats paying him 10 mil to stink.
      Terrible trade.

  7. Max BRAGG

    Reds coaching at PRO level is only as good as TALENT GM brings into organization!!!!!!

  8. Old Big Ed

    I kinda think it is a good sign that other organizations want to hire the Reds’ pitching coaches/coordinators. For one thing, it shows that DJ is doing a good job of hiring assistants. If DJ hired Jagers and Jagers did well enough to draw interest from the Mets, then DJ must know what he’s doing when he hires people. If DJ is thought to be developing a good coaching tree, then that is an asset for the Reds.

    DJ and the Reds aren’t going to have trouble getting good people interested in working with Greene, Lodolo, Ashcraft and Diaz at the major league level, or with guys like Joe Boyle in the minors. There are a lot more guys wanting to be pitching coaches in organized baseball than there are slots that are open.

  9. AMDG

    So, for about $10M the Reds received 98 innings of 74 ERA+ horrendous pitching (Minor) in exchange for 45 innings of 83 ERA+ abysmal pitching (Garrett).

    So, more innings of very, very bad vs fewer innings of very bad.

    • David

      Such a deal !!!!

      And yet, some people on this here blog are clamoring for an “innings eater” for the Reds. The conundrum is that “innings eaters” are usually back of the pack, marginal pitchers, that are really NOT innings eaters, and lead to over – use of the bullpen, as they typically last only 4 or 5 innings (but those were TASTY innings that were eaten!).

      I would rather see young guys out of the Reds minors given a shot, and take their lumps, and see if they learn and progress.

      • Harry Stoner

        Well said.

        I would enjoy seeing the “innings eater” shibboleth buried once and for all.

        It’s a code word for old, cheap and a 3-4 run deficit by the fifth inning.

        Admittedly, the Reds have had folks like Arroyo and Strailey but those have been careful aquisitions not drop $10M in a panic signing scenario.

        BTW, did Garrett have options left or did he have to get traded to be sidelined?

        Sometimes there’s lightening in a bottle…Overton seemed on the track to fill that role, while the Anderson, Zeuchs etc. lingered around far too long.

        But those types of “innings snackers on a full stomach” are far more likely to be what would turn up with another round of Bull Krall nervousness.

        The Reds can’t afford another Minor disaster.

        Make sure it’s remembered: Krall was willing to pay Minor more than the rest of the Reds’s pitching staff combined.

        The Great Helmsman.

      • Earmbrister

        Minor was most likely picked up in the hopes of flipping him at the trade deadline, like Pham. In other words, Krall didn’t expect to be paying him for the full season. Injuries (both Minor’s and the raft of team pitching injuries) and performance scuttled that plan.

        The majority of Krall’s moves have been good.