Aaron Nola was filthy on Thursday night, tossing a complete game shutout. The Reds offense struck out 11 times, didn’t draw a walk, and didn’t really threaten to score until the top of the 9th inning as the Philadelphia Phillies swept Cincinnati with a 4-0 victory on Thursday night.

Final R H E
Cincinnati Reds (48-75)
0 5 0
Philadelphia Phillies (70-55)
4 7 0
W: Nola (9-10) L: Dunn (1-2)
Statcast | Box Score | Game Thread

The Offense

Cincinnati didn’t do much on offense throughout the game. They only had one hit through seven inning. In the 8th inning, trailing 4-0 the Reds finally got a threat brewing when Aristides Aquino and Alejo Lopez had back-to-back singles to lead off the inning, but three consecutive strikeouts ended the inning. In the 9th it was Nick Senzel leading off with an infield single. After two strikeouts it was TJ Friedl keeping the game going as he doubled down the right field line. Senzel, though, couldn’t score as he slowly trotted from first to third after appearing to tweak his hamstring earlier in the game while making a play at third base. Aristides Aquino grounded out to end the game on the next play.

The Pitching

Justin Dunn put together another good start on Thursday night. The right-hander gave up two runs – including a long home run to Kyle Schwarber – in six innings while striking out five batters and walking just two.

Ross Detwiler took over the game in the 7th and he gave up two runs before he was replaced with two outs by Dauri Moreta. He would record the final four outs for the Reds and hold the game at 4-0 in his return to the big leagues.

Notes Worth Noting

Up Next for the Cincinnati Reds

Cincinnati Reds vs Washington Nationals

Friday August 26th, 7:05pm ET

Mike Minor (2-10, 6.44 ERA) vs Cade Cavali (MLB debut)

102 Responses

  1. Roger Garrett

    How sad of an organization it is when Senzel is left in the game to trot from first to third in a 4 run game with 2 outs in the ninth inning.How can that be justified by anybody?How on earth did we get here?Laughing stock of the league based on the performance on the field but now this happens.

  2. Old-school

    Reds started 3-22 but since then everything is ok!! Thats the narrative. They just got swept in a 4 game series. They are on pace for 99 losses. 1982 team is planning a party. Yes, Castillo isnt pitching and Drury isnt hitting but Mahle would NOT be pitching if he were here.

    The outfield is awful. The bullpen is awful. Hitting is awful. Catching is awful. Managing is awful. Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?

    • David

      Well, when Castillo, Mahle, Drury and Naquin were traded, and with Stephenson on the DL, as well as Joey Votto (injured and declining) and Moustakas (in lousy shape), we knew the end of the season was going to be a train wreck…..and, yes, it is.

      “Where else are you gonna go?” – Phil Whats-his-name

    • Private Gripweed

      It all starts with ownership. Nothing will change until Bob is gone.

    • Andy

      “On pace for 99 losses” is not truth. This team should blow past 100 losses. The team on pace for 99 losses included Castillo, Mahle, Greene, and Drury.

      Sigh. Doug should be happy I started reading the minor league site again.

  3. LDS

    Isn’t Eric Davis the roving hitting instructor in the organization? Let him rove into Cincy and conduct a clinic. Tell Zinter to stay home that day. I read somewhere that he’d worked with EDLC this year. Despite still striking out more than one likes, which should improve with experience, that seems to be working well. For that matter, let Cam Collier conduct the lesson. He seems to know how to hit. Zinter doesn’t.

  4. David

    Nola was on his game, just like Syndergard on Monday.

    Maybe they are that good, or maybe the Reds hitting is just that hapless.

    One good take-away is that Dunn is improving, and is looking better. And that’s the one good thing that happened tonight.

    Dunn could make a good case for being in the rotation next year, based on how he ends the year, and how he emerges from Spring Training.

    The Braves promoted a young infielder (20 years old) who was hitting well in “AA” ball to the ML club (skipped AAA), and they are in a race for winning a division or a wild card spot.

    We can’t even get the Front Office to promote Steve Steer, who is 25, up from “AAA” to the ML club. He’s just not ready yet.

    • DataDumpster

      I believe you are referring to Vaughn Grissom since I follow the Braves a bit since they are everything the Reds are not, especially in field management and player development. But, even more impressive than him is another 20 year old, Michael Harris who has basically become the de facto center fielder. He is most impressive and the Braves wasted no time in locking him into an 8 year contract. The Braves have corporate owners, (no unlimited payroll here), but the GM and organization is just very competent.

      • Slicc50

        I am so jealous of the Braves DataDumpster. That is my second favorite team. You add in Grissom on top of all of the studs they already have. Wow, all of those kids can really hit. I mean, what are they doing down there that is producing all of these stud players? Those guys will win multiple world series titles in the next decade!

    • Slicc50

      LOL, I’ll say! 101 pitches thrown, 77 strikes and 24 balls. complete game 5 hit shutout. 0 walks and 11 strikeouts! Wow, our guys REALLY work that pitcher well don’t they?

    • Slicc50

      I’m with you on Steer! Dude has better numbers than Michael Harris did when he was promoted. Let’s get him up here and find out if he can play at this level!

  5. Melvin

    India didn’t look to be THAT okay the last time I say him play.

  6. CI3J

    Looks like things are getting pretty ugly for the ol’ Redlegs.

    It’s encouraging seeing Dunn has pitched well. Maybe he has a future in the backend of the rotation or as a long man in the bullpen.

    Why was Senzel left in to run? Did they have no pinch runners available?

    The moral victory for this season should be avoiding 100 losses.

  7. Ryan

    Perhaps the final six weeks will allow a decision re the futures of Aquino and Barrero

    • LDS

      Barrero is at 70PAs for the year. Aquino 154, though he has topped 600 total over the last 4 years. Fraley is at 121, closing in on 500 for his career. Friedl at about 160 and Fairchild at 24. Senzel is the leader with about 350 this year, closing in on 1000 for his career. And while none inspire optimism, it’s reasonable to say that none of them have played enough to make a final decision. Senzel’s injury proclivities is probably the biggest concern. And all of these guys would hit better with better coaching. Goodbye Zinter.

      • greenmtred

        I’ve noticed this season that our opponents, even the Yankees, aren’t hitting for average for the most part. It’s evident that the philosophy of hitting has changed throughout MLB, three true outcomes, etc. Like most here, I don’t like it. I find it boring. But absent a commitment to small ball, or retaining the services of a hitting coach from the 70’s or, most crucially, players good enough to hit, what we’re seeing is the modern game played by guys who don’t have the particular skills it demands.

      • LDS

        When I see the modern analytics driven game, it calls to mind the old Mark Twain quote on lies & statistics. I have yet to find anything on the approach that describes the analytics as anything other than descriptive. But that’s not how they are used. I’d like to see a team play 70s ball against an analytics managed team. It would be hilarious and would likely reverse the trend. So many of the numbers don’t mean a thing and the Reds/Bell are one of the most clueless.

      • greenmtred

        My understanding of analytics is that it compiles data from lots of games, players and situations. The data is not prescriptive, necessarily, but can be seen as suggestive: The idea that stealing bases adds to your chance of success only if you’re successful 75% of the time, or that giving up outs by sacrificing ultimately reduces your scoring capacity. These are not, as I understand it, theories; they’re observations of probabilities. As such, they wouldn’t necessarily apply to a specific game, but might lead a team–as they have–to emphasize home runs. Earl Weaver had some successful teams in the 70’s that were forerunners of this style of play.

      • LDS

        And yet I would argue that most teams do use them prescriptively. And since you seem to have thought about this topic as well, you’ve probably recognized that some are self-referencing or circular if you prefer. And some like BABIP are essentially meaningless. And that is one thing everyone touts as a measure of luck. It isn’t. It’s an indication of how well the batter adjusts to the shift and puts the ball in play. I used to really like the Bill James books back in the 70s until I went to college and was disabused of my misunderstandings.

      • Jim Walker

        @greenmtred, Your description works well for me. I suspect given the time and money many organizations have put into analytics that they are doing things we could only dream about doing or knowing,

        There is probably modeling going on of specific hitters versus specific pitchers in specific parks with specific defenses et al. This would be not only for game management but perhaps just and maybe even more importantly to drive roster building and management.

      • greenmtred

        I suspect you’re right about that, Jim. Spray charts almost certainly influence shifts, and I imagine that the level of information that goes into pitch selection is considerable. In the end, though, the players still have to execute. LDS: I’ve thought about analytics, but confess to being unclear about the process of developing them; defensive metrics, for example: How could they possibly account for every possible variation? And if they can’t, how much validity do they have?

      • LDS

        At the end of the day, all we really have are the traditional counts, ABs, hits, HRs, etc. Many analytics combine these counts into different metrics, add sometimes, subtract others, etc., call it something different and then impute meanings that aren’t really there. So it goes. It’ll be awhile before it runs it’s course but it likely will. Prior to retirement, I worked for a Fortune 100 company that was heavily invested in Big Data and when I left, they were scrapping related projects aggressively. That purge has continued since.

    • Rednat

      let me save you the suspense. Aquino and Barrero are not good hitters. But they are good defenders and will be relatively inexpensive. Just the type of players management is looking for so I think they will be reds for a long time

      • DataDumpster

        I wouldn’t be surprised if the Reds ride them down into oblivion but I could never understand the hoopla around Barrero. He is an impressive looking guy with good moves at short but woefully inadequate at the plate. The Reds need to find starting 8 type players, not injury fill ins. If players have to wait until their late twenties to determine if they have a real MLB career, then perhaps its time to take a hard look at who is developing them and making adjustments to their hitting approach. With several of the Red’s youngsters, I see little change and the off the charts bad K/BB ratio.

    • Greenfield Red

      Barrero coming off a wrist injury and has hit in the past. Let him work through it. I believe he will be a good offensive SS.

      • TR

        If not, there are many other young prospect shortstops waiting in the wings.

      • Steven Ross

        I hope Barrero hits but watching him now gives me pause. I’ve never seen any batter get down 0-2 faster than Barrero. He gets a rest of year audition but let’s be honest, there are many new faces waiting in the wings.

      • burtgummer01

        Barrero has never hit major league pitching.I know a few people here have a thing for him but they need to realize he’s not a major league player

      • Doc

        Aquino coming off a high ankle sprain and has hit in the past, at AAA and for one magical month in MLB, which is one more magical month than Barrero has had.

        Also, referencing an earlier comment about Dunn, within the past week there were multiple comments that Dunn was not a major league pitcher and never would be. Two starts later the comments are that now he is a back of rotation potential. Just amazing how small sample size only seems to apply to some players, and not others with similar results from similar sample size. Two bad starts was enough to judge he would never be any good; two good starts and suddenly he is a rotation piece potential. Too funny!

  8. Moon

    Reds and Nationals tomorrow in the pillow fight of the week….

    • TR

      Minor will lead the way in the pillow fight opposed by a pitcher making his ML debut which has not turned out well for the Reds in recent years.

  9. Rednat

    man, these games are getting harder to watch even for the most loyal reds fan. looking at the schedule for next year, just so many unwinnable games for us. i think the win totals will continue to dwindle for the reds and pirates in the years to come

    it just seems like every new rule mlb comes up with favors the wealthy teams and punishes the poor teams. Universal DH, NBA Style scheduling, Lottery draft. Maybe things will change with the shift bans and oversize bases but I AM still uncertain on when and if these changes will actually occur

    • Doc

      Automated balls and strikes should help level one aspect of the playing field and keep umpires from bias toward their favorite teams and pitchers, of which the Reds are seldom one.

  10. VegasRed

    The comments above support my conclusion that Bell and staff are not qualified/ competent to build/develop a team of young prospects and talent at the MLB level, and the Reds should scour the best development coaching and managing talent from the top organizations and put together the best field level coaching team possible.

    But no, our clueless owners would never do something like that! Makes too much sense.

    • Melvin

      Big Bob and Son can’t afford to hire someone with a mind of his own. It’s too risky.

  11. JB

    If you really want to be depressed, go look at the 40 man roster. I can find about 15 guys that need to be removed after the season if not sooner. The Reds rolled the dice and got alot of prospects in trades. They better hope they pan out or they are in trouble.

    • Kevin H

      They didn’t get hardly any pitching in those trades. Well, Phillips, Williamson and Petty. I believe one more, but are they starters or relievers?

      I am thankful college and pro football are starting up. How this month has played out is so frustrating to me.

  12. Kevin H

    Interesting comments so far and I would add what did we as fans expect when trading away players and not replacing them. Injuries have hit the starting rotation and when you trade two quality starting pitchers this is what you get. Not to mention trading Gray and Waiving Miley. I realize Miley has been hurt, however the point is trading away and not having depth has become a issue with the starting rotation. Trading away Drury and Naquin and Pham and expecting the likes of Aquino, Freidl, Fairchild, to replace that production is unrealistic. Having both Catchers hurt and Votto out, I know I know how some feel about him but still he was playing injured and I would assume that is why his production was down. Then lets talk about the bullpen they didn’t address in the off season. Not to mention injuries to bullpen and again no depth at the lower levels.

    So again from where I am sitting, this is a organizational failure not a coaching failure. I have mentioned my dislike of Bell and stuff, however who would you play and would you still complain if they were failing. I say see what Steer can do up here, but no guarantee. Same with Cruz.. Look at Bradly Zimmer, or Bryan Buxton who can’t stay healthy.

    I am today okay with the prospects Reds got in these trades, however watching how season has unfolded and who is playing now. This isn’t on Bell, or Johnson, or Zinter.. This is the Gm/ownership who has dismantled this team. OH, and kudos to India and Senzel playing hurt. Senzel cant catch a break with some on RLN.. He is playing hurt and some are upset and when he gets injured and sits some say he is made of glass. Can’t have it both ways

    As usual though I enjoy the back and forth of Reds baseball talk.

    • Luke J

      Trading away middling major leaguers like Drury, Pham, and Naquin for top level prospects in a year where you are more than 30 games below .500 is NOT organizational failure. It’s literally the right move. I sure am glad you aren’t running this show.

      • greenmtred

        I agree, and most people here–many, at any rate–recognized that when the deal(s) went down. It’s one thing to acknowledge that the Reds would lose lots of games for the balance of the season and another to watch it happen.

      • Kevin H

        You totally missed the point of my whole post, but again that doesn’t surprise me as that is all you do. Come in here and respond to people to puff up your chest. Arm chair manager’s such as yourself make me laugh

      • VaRedsFan

        Not really Kevin.
        They had a plan and stuck to it.
        Nobody really cares how many games they win for the rest of the year…except you.
        The plan was for the future…not Aug-Sept 2022. Having Castillo and Mahle here now might win an extra game or 2 for two months….so what?

      • Luke J

        Oh the irony, Kevin, of you calling me an arm chair manager when all I did was respond to your armchair GM post. :doh:

  13. Mark Moore

    Dunn was a bright spot, but that was about it. Playing with a 24-man roster isn’t easy. And when many of those aren’t really MLB caliber, we get what we get.

    Calendar is turning to the last month. It will be interesting who gets called up and if they are guys already on the 40, or if moves are made. Next big set of decisions are on who to protect from the Rule 5 draft. That’s going to require some shuffling.

    The nagging injuries for Senzel and India are tough to watch, but they happen. Happening to both at the same time on a losing team is very hard to watch.

    Like Kevin H said, I love coming here and talking baseball. I still love our Reds, though I know 2022 is a complete bust and 2023 is a huge question mark.

    No games for me this weekend because of the stupid MLB blackout rules. Oh well … I guess I’ll have to find somewhere else to go 😀

  14. Redsvol

    Boy, lot of gloom and doom on here for a rebuilding ball club. I actually thought they competed with a playoff team well for 3 games – and obviously should have won the lodolo game.

    There are many teams struggling with injuries in mlb right now. I saw vogelbach practically walk to first on a double play ball 2 nights ago. I can’t explain the reluctance to DL senzel and India but it might be that front office wants them to learn how to play a 162 game schedule.

    I’ve seen improvement in players and hope to see more in Dunn, fraley and friedl (more extra base hits). The bullpen has been more competent (still not good) lately. Barerro and Aquino just need to play and evaluate them after the season. Farmer, solano and romine need to be extended for 2-3 years so the youngsters know there is some stability and where to look for veteran leadership.

    • Luke J


      It’s crazy to see the doom and gloom just a couple weeks after the whole baseball world is praising the trades the Reds made at the deadline. Losing is expected right now given the place we are in the rebuild. But it’s nice to see some young guys at least getting a chance and showing flashes of potential, even if it’s not fully realized yet. How quickly we as fans take our eyes off the goal and have our outlooks blinded by the fog of losing. Trust the process, even if you don’t trust the ownership. The reality is, Krall has navigated the start of this rebuild quite nicely.

      • JB

        Exactly. I want to see the kids play and sorting to see if Lopez,Friedl,Fraley, Barrero,Aquino and others are worth keeping. This team isn’t going to win right now and expecting them to is crazy. I mean Zeuch? And Cessa are starters!!! They are competing and honestly at this time who cares what relievers come into the game in what inning. It’s all about who has it and who doesn’t. Front office will have no problem with rule 5 and protecting players. They have 6 catchers on the 40 and only 1 worth keeping. The other 5 are a dime a dozen. Plenty of dead weight on this teams 40.

      • Kevin H

        It is not doom and gloom. Its reality. Who are these young guys you claim? We see what they can’t do already. Also the prospects you mention. The can’t miss prospects. I bet 5 out of the 10 they got will not even play for the Reds. Either injury, trade, or flat out not make it. A winning team needs a mixture and right now the Reds traded away the Veterans who could of provided that help.

        Oh, and speaking of forgetting I remember a lot of people saying Krall was terrible when the trades were made, and all of sudden he is a genius.

      • Luke J

        Kevin, you just don’t understand the timing of building a winner. Signing free agents today isn’t going to help this team. They aren’t ready for that yet. Have patience. There will be a day when I will be calling for a couple free agent signings to supplement the roster. But today is not that day. The Reds are simply not ready to actually compete.

        We all understand the riskiness of prospects. Obviously, not all, and more likely only a small number, will make it. But that’s why stockpiling them is important. Play the numbers game. For a small market team that has no choice but to build through the farm, it’s necessary. I’m sorry you don’t seem to understand that veterans on expiring contracts can’t be kept, but that’s the reality of the game.

      • citizen54

        Finally some sanity. What did the people here expect was going to happen after going all in and signing a bunch a free agents who turned out to be duds? I predicted two years ago what would happen to the Reds right after Williams went on his spending spree so I’m not too upset about the current state of the Reds.

        Good thing is the rebuild looks better now than I though it would 2 years ago. Looking towards the future, Dunn pitrched a decent game and looks like he could be a #5. Lodolo and Ashcraft, even though they are rookies, are already league average picthers. Greene has shown flashes of brilliance. Diaz is good, Steer should be better than anyone currently in the infield. Then we have Marte, De La Cruz, Arryoy and McClain, who should also be able to cover SS and 2B if India doesn’t pan out.

    • Rednat

      Redsvol, I think it is perfectly natural for fans to be negative right now. we haven’t had a great offensive team since the 1999 team. we have now basically completed two eras in the 21st century- the Griffey Junior era and the Votto era, both with little success.

      now we enter this new ” rays way” era of flipping known commodities for 18 y/o prospects that we will try to develop into major league ready players over the next 5 years. Pardon me if I am a little skeptical. I look at Barrero, I Look at Aquino. These guys are really struggling and what is to say these young prospects will have the same struggles. I am not really blaming management. maybe there really is no other way to try to be competitive again, but the chances of this strategy working seems pretty unlikely to me

  15. TR

    What can we Red’s fans expect after the big sell off and house cleaning of a few weeks ago topped off with the crowded injury list for most of the season? I watch the games in passing and keep up with other events of the interesting times we live in. My #1 wish for the Red’s offseason is the removal of Big Bob and Son as principal owners and replacement, probably, from the current ownership group. That needs to happen first before needed changes are made going down the organizational chart.

  16. Mark A Verticchio

    The Steer situation is mind boggling, I can only imagine how slow they will be with EDLC and the others who are 20 – 23 at this rate the pay off for the trades will be 26 and 27, at best, and by then the players they have now will be gone. What a mess, bring on college football and then basketball.

    • Doc

      How long has Steer been in the Reds organization? Three weeks? They trade for a boatload of prospects that are now distributed through all levels of the organization and suddenly small sample size doesn’t matter, how long some other prospects have waited for an opportunity, which they are now getting, doesn’t matter, their MLB small sample size doesn’t matter. No! Give the spot to to a guy who has been here three weeks and dump the others. Except when Steer doesn’t hit well in his first week in MLB it will be rinse and repeat. Take all the comments, scratch our Steer and put in the next name.

      Baseball is a long season, and development of baseball players to perform at the MLB level is a long process. Yes, there are special talents like Soto and Acuna and a handful of others, but they are exceptions to the norm. I don’t read anybody comparing Steer to Soto, or Steer to Acuna, or Steer to Tatis, Jr. Steer will get his chance and it will be sooner rather than later, but sooner might come in ST, after the off season assessment and shake out of the 40 man.

      • Mark A Verticchio

        That is all good and fine except for the fact that Steer is already 25 years old and nobody on the current roster has any more value except India who is hurt. It’s not he wasn’t playing before he came to the Reds organization.

      • Jim Walker

        The bottom line for me is that Steer will be exposed to the Rule 5 draft if he is not on the Reds winter 40 man roster. I don’t see them letting him be exposed to the draft; so, what reason is there not to make the move with him now and get him up to the Reds to help with the shortage of healthy bodies?

        The Reds are so deep into their organizational depth due to all the injuries that there are guys on the 40 man who they almost certainly never saw being there anyway. What difference does it make if one of them is outrighted now versus after the season?

  17. Steven Ross

    It has been mentioned by a few and I agree: watching Reds games now is a chore. A tip of the cap to Nola last night though. He was dealin’. I try to find optimism with individuals such as Friedl, Lopez & Fraley. Dunn has looked better with each start too.

    Season can’t end fast enough. I just don’t have any faith, right now, that next year will be anything better unless I see big changes in the off season.

    • AC

      What’s truly astounding to me, and indicative of baseball’s actual problem, is this god awful team isn’t close to being the worst in the league. And they’re practically unwatchable. That’s what truly needs to be fixed.

  18. jessecuster44

    There’s not a whiff of good baseball fundamentals on this team. When talent is lacking, you can ALWAYS play smart baseball. But baserunning errors, missing the cutoff man, and lack of situational awareness manifest almost every single game.

    And that’s on Bell and every single one of his coaches. Clean house after the season.

    But of course they won’t because Nepotism > Winning

  19. Jim Walker

    “…When talent is lacking, you can ALWAYS play smart baseball. But baserunning errors, missing the cutoff man, and lack of situational awareness manifest almost every single game. And that’s on Bell and every single one of his coaches”

    ++++ So sad and so true.

    • Jim Walker

      This was supposed to be indented as a kudos to jessecuster44’s comment above.

      • JB

        Hey Jim- Senzel is Arb2 this year? Whst do you think he might get in salary? I don’t see big Bob keeping Farmer because he will be priced out of the salary Bob wants to pay a utility guy. Wondering if Senzels Arb 2 salary will price him out as well.

      • Jim Walker

        Senzel was a Super2 and this off season is year 2 of 4 possible in arbitration. Senzel is making $1.25m this season.

        MLB Trade Rumors (MLBTR) typically has some of the most accurate projections for the upcoming season but hasn’t posted their 2023 projections yet. So, I am also clueless 😉 but I don’t see Senzel making any less in 2023.
        IMO, both Senzel and Farmer could be in danger of getting nontendered if they don’t reach an agreement with the Reds for 2023 ahead of the tender date (1 Dec give or take).

        You can keep checking at the link below to see the MLBTR projections when they post. From the home page, highlight “TOOLS” at the top and select the arbitration tracker from the drop down list.


      • MBS

        I can’t see Senzel getting a hefty raise, maybe 2M or 2.2M. Anything significantly over that, and I would probably DFA him, because he’s a 4th OF that has consistently been hurt.

    • Doc

      I disagree that this is Bell’s fault. These are all things players should have known before becoming professional, but at the very least should have been taught in the organization starting in the INSTRUCTIONAL league. Players at the MLB level now who have all these fundamental baseball flaws were in the learning leagues, or MLB, before Bell was hired, or shortly thereafter. Bell is responsible for a lot of things, but not those that were ignored by the organization before he was even a part of it.

      I believe that all of these fundamentals are disappearing from baseball as it becomes more and more a three outcome sport. Personally, I’d like to see a return to the dead ball era, when a player had to be complete to make it and stick. But, in the same way that equipment has made golf courses obsolete and made the game infinitely less fun to watch, so has the three outcomes approach made baseball a bore to watch. A good book wins every time over watching a baseball game.

      • Jim Walker

        I worked 15 years as a contractor for the USAF. When a command position changed personalities, the new person had a period of time to review the command’s status and note shortcomings prior to taking over. Once he or she assumed command, they became responsible for everything including fixing the ills they inherited in a timely fashion.

        There seems to be little or no remediation being done under Bell’s command. How is that not on him?

      • burtgummer01

        I’ve come to the conclusion that the people whining about Bell are just casual fans who don’t/won’t understand what ownership has done to the Reds

      • DataDumpster

        @Doc made some good points about the changing nature of the game with players, equipment, and so on but it is disingenuous to suggest that David Bell is not responsible for lack of fundamental good play from the team. (reference the “real world” necessity in @JimW comments). Bad play has to be called out, I’ve never seem Bell do this or fault anyone for anything. It’s always the same. “We come out every day to compete and find ways to get better.”
        A team who plays solid defense and can turn double plays, makes ball contact when batting and exercises plate discipline, and doesn’t walk and hit batters excessively when pitching will be at least average in this league. Unfortunately, the Reds have been very poor in all these areas almost without exception since Bell became manager.
        Pitching; GIDP (last), P/IP (last), HB (last), and BB (2nd last) leads to 3rd worst runs allowed.
        Hitting; K (4th most) and BB (25th most) leads to very mediocre 20-25 best values in OPS, Runs, BA.

        On a related note, Stolen Bases are up 11% this year after a long decline and soft line drives are coming back in fashion since (likely ball construction changes) have led to marked decrease in HR and the lowest BA since 1968.
        Small ball seems on the cusp of a big comeback and I applaud that whole heartedly. Is this team prepared for that type of play?

      • VaRedsFan

        So it’s Castellini’s fault that they can’t execute a simple rundown, or hit the cutoff man.


      • burtgummer01

        When those players are guys who don’t belong in the majors yes it is.I don’t know (or care) that you have this personal thing against Bell but blaming him because ownership isn’t interested in winning games is ignorance

      • greenmtred

        Jim, the thing about Bell–and managing a baseball team–is that, unlike the vast majority of endeavors,the guys you manage are being opposed in the moment by highly skilled people attempting to make them fail. The manager of a baseball team doesn’t assemble the roster, and if his roster is usually over-matched, he’s going to lose lots of games. We know this because managers who are considered good by near consensus don’t win with bad rosters.

      • Jim Walker

        I keep thinking back to Dusty B. as the ultimate players’ manager who got results when I am trying to get a handle on Bell.

        Dusty never threw a player under the bus by name when he was the Reds manager. However, he made it clear (in public) when plays happened he didn’t like and would say they had to be corrected.

        He also from time to time would flash an edginess with media (I still love John Fay’s term “Dusty bristled……”) which made clear he could get in somebody’s face when he felt the need.

        I haven’t seen any signs of these traits from Bell. So, I’ll stick to Dusty’s tact and not name names but some of the same guys continue making stupid base running mistakes almost from day 1 Bell was here. And the relief pitching staff as a group hasn’t learned to get ahead in the count. And guys at the plate haven’t learned to at least try to adjust. And team defense (relays, backing up, turning GIDPs continue suffer, et al.

      • Jim Walker

        And Bobby Nightengale just tweeted video from the press box of the Reds practicing relays and cut offs this afternoon.

    • Jim Walker

      Oh well, when does a tweet fully imbed and when does just the link show?

      Long short, Fraley got into a shouting match with some fans in stands along the foul line and per some phone video posted to Twitter appears to use some language not safe for work in telling them to just shut up.

      • Kevin H

        Good For Fraley. Fans seem to think they can whatever they want from the stands and nothing be said.

        Sadly one day a player will be pushed over the edge. I hope not but wouldn’t surprise me.

    • LDS

      Which in my mind is more egregious than Pham’s girly slap. And Fraley probably isn’t as good as Pham. Get rid of the bum.

      • Luke J

        What? Some piece of garbage philly fan said something about his wife and he reacted by yelling at them. Quite frankly, other than using language I wouldn’t use, I don’t see how that is even remotely “egregious.” It’s a sad commentary on our society where speaking your mind is seen as worse than physical assault.

      • Jim t

        @lukeJ stay tuned. He will find away to blame Bell before it’s all over.

      • LDS

        Try abusing a customer where you work with that type of verbal abuse. See where that gets you. Fraley is a representative of the game. The right move on his part was to ignore the idiot and walk away. The Pham incident was between two players within the game and while childish and immature at best, it’s not the same as a conflict with a customer. As for Bell, expecting him to have anything resembling discipline on this team is too much to expect. As for blaming Bell, no it’s not his fault, but if he doesn’t bench him for a couple of days, it is. As for always blaming Bell, anyone that hasn’t figured out that he & his coaches aren’t the solution going forward, well, all I can do on a forum such as this, is shake my head.

      • Luke J

        Equating a professional ballplayer and a fan with a retail employee and a customer is disingenuous at best.

      • Luke J

        As for walking away being the right thing to do, I guess that’s debatable. In most instances, probably. But not always. We don’t know all the details. But I’ll tell you this, I’m a lawyer. I work for clients that hire me. If one berates my wife, guess what, I’m probably going to give him a piece of my mind, refund his retainer, and send him packing. I will walk away from a lot of things. But some lines won’t be crossed without me at least saying something.

      • LDS

        Not disingenuous and as a lawyer I’m sure you could effectively argue either side. But one of your clients insulting your wife isn’t quite the same either. I agree that many fans are scum but as a lawyer, my guess is you’d love video of the incident if the fan were suing the ball player.

      • Jim t

        @LDS there ya go. I had faith in you.

      • Jim t

        Bum??? Is that really called for? Fraley’s response to the fan hopefully set in a motion a response by the Phillies organization to have that fan banned from the ball park. Buying a ticket doesn’t give you the right to instigate a conformation.

        Also your bum comment should be evaluated by the moderators. Very uncalled for and surprising. Your comments usually are much better LDS.

  20. old-school

    The trend of locking up young players in their early 20’s to long extensions continues.

    Julio rodriguez at 21 signs long term massive contract with Mariners

    • Griffey and Griffey

      We did that with Suarez. I’m hesitant to it because it seems like players have been getting complacent. Some people need to work for that. Votto is hamstring us now but moose has never been good for us. Bottoms contract wasn’t actually that bad but it’s what have you done for me lately.

  21. Votto4life

    Here’s a newsflash firing the hitting coach will have absolutely ZERO effect on this team’s performance.

    If your player development folks hasn’t taught your players how to hit, by the time they get to the major leagues, it’s unlikely a hitting coach is going to make much of a difference.

    This isn’t a coaching problem, it’s a lack of talent.

    That being said, I am in favor of firing everyone in the organization at this point, but the real culprit, the source of all this misery, can’t be fired because he owns the team.

    • Luke J

      So what you’re saying is that a hitting coach on a major league team is superfluous and should be done away with? Gotcha.

      • Votto4life

        I’m saying not Zinter or anyone else is going improve this team.

        Also Luke, If you can’t reply to my post without being snarky, perhaps you should scroll past it like an adult.

      • Luke J

        I’m sorry I hurt your fragile feelings. I don’t typically read the name, just the contents of the post. I’ll try to remember you are sensitive next time I respond to a post that makes no sense. Hint: obviously major league pitching coaches matter or else teams wouldn’t spend a bunch of money on them.

      • Votto4life

        Luke, Thank you. I would appreciate you ignoring my posts moving forward.

  22. Griffey and Griffey

    Maybe we’ll get lucky in the lottery. I’d rather lose right now than win. We aren’t built to win and that’s obvious. Hopefully we get lucky with the next crop of talent but I don’t think there will be a player on this team that is on this team right now when we are competitive again other than pitchers and maybe India. Everyone else is injury prone. India included I guess.

  23. Jim Walker

    The reds lineup for tonight (Friday) has been posted:
    1. Jake Fraley (DH)
    2. Jonathan India (2B)
    3. Kyle Farmer (3B)
    4. Donovan Solano (1B)
    5. T.J. Friedl (CF)
    6. Aristides Aquino (RF)
    7. Stuart Fairchild (LF)
    8. Jose Barrero (SS)
    9. Chuckie Robinson (C)

    Courtesy of Fangraphs.

    • Jim Walker

      Less than 4 weeks ago 6 of these 9 guys could have been seen playing in the same lineup together in Louisville, some on rehab, most on option.

      Spots #1 and #5-9 in tonight’s Reds lineup.

    • Jim Walker

      Meanwhile Steer is in the Louisville Friday lineup so for now at least, he isn’t on his way up.

  24. RedsGettingBetter

    Jesus Aguilar was DFA’d by Marlins… Aguilar likes to homer in GABP…