The Cincinnati Reds were defeated 4-2 by the Pittsburgh Pirates in game one of their day/night doubleheader earlier this afternoon. The two teams get back at it at 7:10pm ET. Cincinnati will send Jeff Hoffman to the mound to make his first start of the season. Pittsburgh will counter with Bryse Wilson.

Starting Lineups

Here are the lineups for this evening’s game:

Pittsburgh Pirates

Cincinnati Reds

Ben Gamel – RF Jonathan India – DH
Bryan Reynolds – CF Brandon Drury – 3B
Daniel Vogelbach – DH Tommy Pham – LF
Michael Chavis – 1B Tyler Naquin – RF
Jack Suwinski – LF Kyle Farmer – SS
Oneil Cruz – SS Mike Moustakas – 1B
Diego Castillo – 3B Donovan Solano – 2B
Josh Vanmeter – 2B Nick Senzel – CF
Michael Perez – C Michael Papierski – C
Bryse Wilson – SP Jeff Hoffman – SP

Starting Pitchers

Jeff Hoffman 38.1 3.29 1.33 19 40
Bryse Wilson 39.2 7.49 1.79 16 31
Links: Jeff Hoffman’s StatsBryse Wilson’s Stats

Jeff Hoffman

Cincinnati is sending Jeff Hoffman to the mound to start a game for the first time this season. He pitched two days ago, so he isn’t likely going to be asked to go more than a few innings before being relieved.


RHH 97 19 3 0 3 12 23 .226 .330 .369
LHH 67 13 2 2 0 7 17 .220 .299 .322

Pitch Usage

4-Seam Slider Change
Velo 94.3 81.3 87.8
Usage 52.1% 23.5% 24.4%

Bryse Wilson

In what may have been his best start of the year last week, Wilson held the Brewers to two runs in 6.0 innings, but he walked the tight rope in doing so as he allowed eight hits, a walk, and hit two batters along the way. He’s been lit up by left-handed hitters this season, who have hit .378 against him with nearly as many walks as strikeouts. Right-handed hitters haven’t hit as well as that, but they are still finding all kinds of success against him.


RHH 101 27 6 0 4 7 18 .297 .347 .495
LHH 88 28 7 0 3 9 13 .378 .448 .595

Pitch Usage

4-Seam 2-Seam Slider Change Curve
Velo 93.0 92.7 85.1 86.1 77.0
Usage 31.8% 29.0% 12.7% 11.0% 15.5%

When and Where

  • Game time: 7:10pm ET
  • Where: Great American Ball Park
  • Watch: Bally Sports Ohio,
  • Listen: 700 WLW AM (Cincinnati area)
  • Forecast: 86°, partly cloudy, 1% chance of rain

News and Notes

Lots of roster moves

Charlie Goldsmith of the Cincinnati Enquirer reported earlier today that Vladimir Gutierrez would move to the 60-day injured list after he had a setback on his recent bullpen session. He has been on the injured list since June 5th with an elbow strain.

That move became official between game one and game two. But it wasn’t the only move. The team is calling up right-handed pitcher Robert Dugger and he takes the spot on the 40-man of Gutierrez. They also placed Luis Cessa (“side” injury, will be evaluated further), who was injured in the first game, and Aramis Garcia (finger injury) on the injured list. To finish things off the team called up catcher Mark Kolozsvary.

106 Responses

  1. docproc

    Sorry if this has been answered in previous threads, but where’s Joey?

  2. Roger Garrett

    Barrero,TySteve and Fairchild start tonight for the Reds I mean start for the Bats.Having a senior moment

  3. Bet on Red

    SO i missed game one…. looks like so did all the non-Solano bats…. interesting to see the spot start for hoffman…. I see we cannot even survive one double header without roster moves galore

  4. Mark A Verticchio

    The Reds are the definition of the Titanic with their moves they just keep re-arranging the deck chairs on a sinking ship. I would love to see some new blood, Barrero, Fairchild, Santana basically anybody.

  5. SteveO

    At least Solomon got into the 1st game. Dugger hoping he will too as he is on the U turn train back to Louisville tomorrow with Solomon. Diaz expected to be activated tomorrow. Stick him in the closer’s role until the end of the season. The second half of 2022 must be used as preparation for 2023. See what Diaz can do as the closer and he can battle Antone and Sims in 2023 for the job. These 3 should be a very solid back end of the bullpen next year. Of the current Reds, I like these 3, plus Gutierrez, Sanmartin, Kuhnel, Moreta, Solomon, Santillan and Duarte as the front runners to fill the bullpen. Dunn, Overton, Williamson and Abbott battling for the remaining 2 starter spots.
    Hopefully, there will be at least 4-5 other challengers that come to the Reds in trades that can complete with the pitchers we already have.

    • earmbrister

      Hoffman should be on that BP list. He’s not a FA until 2025.

      • SteveO

        Hoffman in the mix too if he’s still arb eligible. I’m thinking he’ll be traded before 8/2.

      • earmbrister

        The Reds also have a team option on Justin Wilson (?).

      • SteveO

        Wilson TJ surgery beginning of June. Can’t count on him until 2nd half of 2023, if at all for 2023

      • earmbrister

        Lord, there have been so many injuries that I forgot that. Thanks

    • Indy Red Man

      Except Sims isn’t very good and has a weird delivery which usually means short career. Almost every time Bell put him into high leverage last year he got blasted anyway

      • SteveO

        2019 2-1 4.60
        2020 3-0 2.45
        2021 5-3 4.40
        2022 1-0 9.45

        He was actually very good compared to other Reds relievers from 2019-2021. Not so good until he got injured this year. Should come back strong for 2023.

  6. LDS

    SteveO – you are redefining optimism beyond what the Reds organization is capable of. At this point, I expect 2023 to have Moustakas, Farmer, and Votto as three of the starters. I’m starting to think Gutierrez is headed for TJ as someone here suggested. Sims? Lots of civilians have trouble bouncing from back surgery, even tougher on a pitcher. And more concerning is what the FO will dump between now and then. And more importantly, what they won’t.

    • SteveO

      I also expect JV and Moose back because no team wants their contracts and I don’t see the Reds trading them and eating a majority of their salaries. That’s why I’m hoping for a youth movement this year before the deadline and that the over 30’s will be either traded for players coming back or cash considerations. Of course, all of what I wrote is barring major injuries. As of this writing, the injuries to Gutierrez and Sims have not been deemed “major” and they should be ready for ST 2023. Drury and Farmer have never had trade value this high and should definitely be traded. I also think that Pham ,Naquin and Solano have trade value and will be traded. Unless things turn around with JV and Moose, they will hopefully not be major pieces in their final year as Reds.

    • SteveO

      I expect JV and Moose will be with the Reds too because no team will take on their contracts and the Reds will not trade them and eat the majority of their salaries. Farmer trade value will not be higher than it is now and should be traded before 8/2. Injuries to Gutierrez and Sims are not deemed “serious” as of now and should be able to return for ST 2023. I’m hoping the Reds find trade partners for Castillo, Mahle, Minor, Strickland, Hoffman, Detwiller and Cessa. For position players, Drury, Farmer, Pham, Naquin, Solano, Almora, Garcia and Reynolds. Just have to wait and see how it all plays out.

  7. VaRedsFan

    Detweiler warming. Is Hoffman really only going to pitch 1 inning?

  8. Kdavis

    Reds seriously need to look at their training methods.,

  9. earmbrister

    Hoffman has been a nice surprise this season. Him and Diaz.

  10. Indy Red Man

    Ok I was wrong on Van Meter. It happens. Still like his swing, but I think that 11 HRs April in Louisville before he came to the Reds ruined him somehow….like Derek Dietrich. If he had the Asian hitters approach he’d be solid imo. Slap good heaters the other way and only try to pull breaking balls

  11. Kevin H

    So you know the double header is coming with no off days. You know Mahle is hurt and you don’t have a plan. You start Hoffman and I am assuming he isn’t hurt, gets pulled after 35 pitches. So in essence a bullpen game. Well Reds Ownership. I am going to turn attention to football . This has gotten past sad to dysfunctional.

    • Indy Red Man

      I don’t understand? You want HOffman suddenly going 90 pitches out of nowhere? This is what a bullpen game is. You use the bullpen

      • Kevin H

        Have a starting pitcher ready to call up. Who said 90 pitches. Good grief. Don’t complicate what I wrote.

      • Indy Red Man

        You have to understand… we have a few “get off my lawn” guys on RLN that complain occasionally when a starter gets pulled at 100 pitches

        I’m imagining Clint Eastwood from Gran Torino minus the rifle…lollll

    • Bet on Red

      actually, isn’t the all star break coming up?

    • earmbrister

      You do know that the TWELVE Reds pitchers have started games this season, right? And ELEVEN pitchers are currently on the Reds IL, with Mahle having only recently gone down.

      Hopefully there won’t be any additional starters (or relievers for that matter) going to the IL and Dunn will be back to replace a traded Castillo.

  12. Hanawi

    What is the theory with taking relievers out with two outs in an inning? Bell has done it repeatedly the last week. I don’t understand why.

    • VaRedsFan

      Bell looks at the hand they throw with, if it corresponds to the side of the plate the batter stands on, then his book says to pull him….regardless of how effective the original pitcher is throwing

  13. Roger Garrett

    Yeah loved that move right there by Bell.Are you kidding me?Hoffman won’t pitch tomorrow anyway or maybe not Saturday yet we bring Detwiller in to face the dangerous Vanmeter with 2 outs and the bases empty.This is little league at its best.Bell just has to make sure everybody knows he is still here.His pen has fallen apart because they aren’t coached beyond let her rip as hard as you can.All these so called coaches need to go now.

  14. Roger Garrett

    Strider kid for Braves is pitching with 2 outs in the 3rd and all 8 outs by strikeout.Cards have professional hitters so that really is impressive.

  15. Kevin H

    Reds need to rebuild bullpen again. Everyone getting hurt. Geesh…. Warren maybe out for year. Sounds like his injury and Gutierrez are similar
    Satallin, Wilson,Cesa,Diaz, all hurt as well not to mention Simms.

  16. Old-school

    So some misinformation all over this site saying Bell has a 3 year contract. Can Doug stop this garbage and officially declare Bell’s contract is over after 2023?

    • LDS

      Bell signed a two year extension last August. So we’re stuck with him and he’ll likely be extended again. He’s connected and performance doesn’t matter. Best case, he’s promoted to a front office position to help continue their stellar track record.

      • DaveCT

        Exactly. JFC this is way too stupid

    • Daytonnati

      I plead guilty to the 3-year reference on another thread. I researched and it is as Old School and LDS says, a two-year extension last year. I was mistaken, I thought they extended him three years. Apologies.

      • LDS

        I thought so as well. But looked it up before commenting. It’s a common misconception. Every minute of Bell seems half again as long.

    • DataDumpster

      Thanks for calling this out. I also agree with you that Bell needs to be discharged after the trading deadline. Give Krall one last chance, let Freddie see if he can improve morale and search for a serious GM/manager combo. If they aren’t already working on this…I can only refer to Murphy’s Law.

  17. Indy Red Man

    Ok Pham gotta go. I waver after he has a few good games, but too many doubleplays and too much warning track power. Not likely to improve at 34 and not likely to get much, but move him on so Fairchild can play!

    • Roger Garrett

      Yes and yes but he throws a good punch and is a vet you know.Joey still laughing as his back aches.

    • Votto4life

      Pham should have never been signed in the first place. What a waste of money. Nick Krall should be fired for the Mike Minor and Tommy Pham signings.

      I doubt the Reds can give Pham for salary relief, away but if they can, they should jump on it.

      • Tar Heel Red

        Mike Minor was acquired by trade, not free agent. Pham has been one of a very few players who hustles on this team. Solano, Farmer and Almora too…everyone else, not so much.
        Today’s games against the Pirates are, in my opinion, the turning point for the players giving up. Most of them exhibited little to no effort, no hustle and no team play. And it is about to get a whole lot worse with the schedule they have coming up.
        I have reached my frustration limit. It pains me to say it, but this team needs a major overhaul at every level. If I’m Nick Krall I am calling Freddie Benevides into my office to see if he would consider finishing the season as manager. Bell and the rest of the coaches need to go.
        As I write this, Bell just proved again he has no idea what he is doing. He just brought in Sanmartin, and before he even threw a single pitch, Johnson goes to the mound…costing the Reds two mound visits! I have had all I can stand of these idiots!

      • Votto4life

        Tar Heel you are correct, Mike Minor was acquired in a trade and not as a free agent signing, but it’s a distinction without a difference.

    • DataDumpster

      Pham has shortcomings as you mention but he plays pretty good considering his age. Sure, he and Minor, Solano, Reynolds, Fraley, etc. should never have been signed and need to go even if the return for all is most likely a very modest financial consideration or the typical PTBNL. I can only surmise that the FO was convinced that a few mediocre veteran players could blunt the salary dump and put a 77-82 win team on the field before vast improvement the following 2 years. The missing link is development. That was the goal and promise of the future plan and has failed miserably. What now?

  18. Indy Red Man

    Barrero 0-2 with another K. Now at .199. Disappointing because he looked like ARod with Lville last year

    • Old-school

      His mom died last year of Covid.
      He changed his name to honor her
      Lots of stuff last 2 years.

      • LDS

        Not to mention the injury, surgery, and rehab. The Reds should still start him ahead of Farmer. If he hasn’t started hitting after a few hundred ABs, and regular play, go to the next guy. But quit building the lineup around guys like Farmer.

  19. Mark A Verticchio

    They need to find room for Fairchild. The problem is, will Bell play him enough to see what he can do? For that to happen, they must get rid of Pham and either Naquin or Almora if not he won’t play enough to matter.

  20. Roger Garrett

    Bell will play Fairchild if he is told to play him.

  21. Roger Garrett

    Joke of an offense.Naquin with a lead single.Farmer ahead 3-0 and flys out.Moose with a dribbler to second.Nobody can be this bad.

    • Doc

      A .300 hitter makes an out 7 out of every 10 ABs. And that is a premier hitter in today’s game. It’s not like it’s tee ball and the batter can do with the ball what he wants. Pitching plays a role in every AB.

  22. Roger Garrett

    Please DFA this old bunch of players that are just collecting a check.Bring up all of Bats team and lets play.Can’t possibly be any worse.

    • Doc

      Is that the Bats team that is well under .500 against AAA competition?

  23. Mark A Verticchio

    I know many will not agree but today should be the demise of one David Bell this team is playing with no energy and looks like they could care less. That has to be on Bell and losing like this twice in one day to the Pirates is a new low..

    • LDS

      I agree but nothing will change tomorrow, win or lose. Lose BTW puts then 7 full games behind the Pirates for 4th place. And for all those whining about small market limitations, the Pirate payroll is about half of what the Reds is. And their roster is younger. It’s not the market. It’s the organization, management, and ownership.

      • Roger Garrett

        Of course it is but this was a bad team from the get go and your right nothing will change and thats why we see what we see.Reds have just thrown in the towel off the field and on the field.

  24. Old-school

    Double header sweep to the Pirates?

    I thought it was Deck McGuire in September and 2018 but no

    This is the bottom.

    • DaveCT

      You tell us. You know everything. Hahaha

  25. JB

    Vogelbach makes Moose look skinny but he is a way better hitter.

  26. JB

    Maybe they should think about putting Duggar in the bullpen. He has pitched better than anybody else out there.

  27. Mark A Verticchio

    What did Larkin mean by the culture of not knowing who was in the line up? I missed part of that conversation.

  28. SteveO

    Dugger performance tonight push Moreta to Louisville? I’m thinking it might happen.

    • SteveO

      He has no options, so would have to be DFAd. Moreta with options, so better option to Louisville to keep both pitchers in the organization. Not saying that Dugger would be a guaranteed claim off waivers, but there’s always the possibility.

    • earmbrister

      He was a good signing (am I allowed to say that?).

  29. Erik the Red

    The pirates looked just as enthused as the Reds playing this game.

  30. Daytonnati

    I think Sadak and LeCure might be doing shots.

    • JB

      I would do shots too if I had to listen to Larkins boring chatter.

      • VaRedsFan

        Remind me if the fielders should keep their arms away from their body…Lark hasn’t said it this inning.

    • Tar Heel Red

      I don’t listen to the broadcast, instead I turn the mute button on. Can’t stand Sadak. Would someone please tell him the posted gametime is when the home team takes the field, not the first pitch. He always notes that the game has started late (which it hasn’t) and he is obsessed with playing weatherman during the broadcast and telling stories of his minor league experiences.

      • TR

        I enjoy the games with the mute button on, and occasional commentary from Thrall and Brantley on WLW.

  31. Bet on Red

    Duggar pitches well enough to stay….. long enough to be out of action long enough to be sent back down.

    • David

      Duggar was “ready” when Cessa got “hurt” in the first game. (?)
      Alexis Diaz is apparently ready to come off the DL tomorrow. My guess is Duggar goes back down and Diaz is re-instated tomorrow.

      Aramis Garcia is now on the DL, Kolosavary is up today. Tyler Stephenson will likely be back on Saturday, July 9th.

  32. Old-school

    Easy 6-4-3 dbp but Solano not a 2nd baseman and missed the bag so delayed transfer. July needs to end and 30 something’s making 4-25 mil need to go away

    • DaveCT

      Yawn. Stating the obvious again. Boring

    • Bet on Red

      and Drury, and Pham…. finally looking up…. add on runs

  33. VaRedsFan

    India going oppo is the key to him getting his groove back.

  34. DataDumpster

    Why did Larkin become the foil to Sadak? It didn’t work and why should it? Who thought this was a good idea and if anyone thought this was an avenue for Larkin to show he is manager material, his chatter is about as interesting as the sticky part of the Post-It note. Does he still help the team on the areas where he does have exceptional expertise as we all know? If so, there are many players that should be called to account. Am I the only one that thinks this organization exists to wallow in legacy, nostalgia and back slapping rather than trying to field a competitive team?

  35. Old-school

    India is the man. Only question is he the lead off hitter or 2 hole hitter..hes good.

    • earmbrister

      India is very good. Ty Steve is very good. Senzel has been very good for the last couple of weeks (could he be finally finding his footing?). I like Drury but what will it take to re-sign him? There seems to be a SS in the pipeline, we’ll see if it’s Barrero, EDC, or McClain. Hopefully the runner up, or Drury, can be our 3B.

      Need a thumping OFr and the first baseman of the future. Castillo trade could fill one of these needs but can a starving Reds fan dream of a FA acquisition in the off season to fill the other?

      • Old-school

        All of this.

        I dont see Drury coming back though. Hes going to get traded since he is a FA in 3 months. Can always look again in December after he gets a AA reliever or big Moose Donation august 1. I’d use Drury to fast forward the Moose donation fund. no team in their right mind is giving up prospect capital on a utility guy in a career year who is a FA. Big market teams might contribute to the Moose donation fund if they get 3 months of Drury and he will have the AS tag attached to him to sell to the fan base.

    • DaveCT

      Da man! Hahaha! He’s aversge. Deal with it

  36. Old-school

    Reds dont look better than the pirates but they are.

    Pirates are awful

    Just get the best 26 man roster playing

    • Roger Garrett

      Yeah you right but Bucs committed to be bad and we haven’t committed to do anything except play a bunch of vets who are not getting it done.Both will lose 95 or more but they will find out who can play and we won’t even bother to find out,

    • DaveCt

      But it’s Bell’s fault. Such hypocrisy

  37. Roger Garrett

    Big hit by Drury right there as was India’s both with 2 outs and Reds lead if you can believe it.Kid behind the plate gets a hit to bring up India.

  38. SteveO

    The only thing the Reds have been excellent at this year. Hitting with 2 outs and runners in scoring position. I believe they lead the ML in this category.

    • SteveO

      Also, hitting with runners in scoring position in general

  39. VaRedsFan

    Somehow have to Strickland-proof this game. In other words, need more runs

  40. MBS

    1 more inning SanMartin! He’s done a good job in the pen. That would be a big boost if he continues.

  41. VaRedsFan

    Reds best innings this year are just solid up the middle and oppo approach at the plate. Back to hitting 5 run homers tomorrow?

  42. Roger Garrett

    Old guys 2-15 and we tee it up again tomorrow.Your right about going up the middle and Drury has done that a bunch this year with success.

    • earmbrister

      If Farmer is one of your old guys, Naquin is also 31 yrs old (is that old?) and he had an additional 2 hits.

      Sorry, but I don’t see players banging down the door that aren’t getting playing time.

  43. Roger Garrett

    Sanmartin finishes em off and the Reds win.I like relievers with 3 pitches and he wasn’t hitting 93 as he was a couple of nights ago but 91 and a slider and with a change up ,8 to 10 miles per hour slower plays or it did tonight.

    • earmbrister

      We could certainly use him in the BP if he can figure things out.

      • MBS

        SanMartin 11 games in the pen, with a 1.02 ERA over 17 2/3 innings.