After taking the first two games of the series the Cincinnati Reds fell last night to Arizona. They’ll look to pick up the series win this afternoon in the finale of the 4-game set. The Reds will be sending Tyler Mahle to the mound. The Diamondbacks will counter with Zach Davies.

Starting Lineups

Here are the lineups for this afternoon’s series finale:

Arizona D’backs

Cincinnati Reds

Daulton Varsho – C TJ Friedl – RF
Josh Rojas – 3B Brandon Drury – 3B
Ketel Marte – 2B Tommy Pham – LF
Christian Walker – DH Joey Votto – DH
David Peralta – LF Tyler Stephenson – C
Jordan Luplow – RF Kyle Farmer – SS
Pavin Smith – 1B Colin Moran – 1B
Alek Thomas – CF Albert Almora Jr. – CF
Geraldo Perdomo – SS Matt Reynolds – 2B
Zach Davies – SP Tyler Mahle – SP

Starting Pitchers

Tyler Mahle 59.2 5.43 1.39 28 64
Zach Davies 56.0 4.18 1.25 21 43
Links: Tyler Mahle’s Stats | Zach Davies’s Stats

Tyler Mahle

After a tough start to the season Tyler Mahle has pitched well over the last month with the exception of his 8-run outing against the Cubs on May 24th. He didn’t give up a home run in five starts in April, but he’s given up six of them in the seven starts he’s made since.

Left-handed hitters have struggled to hit against Mahle this season, but he has struggled with giving up free passes to them and his strikeout rate is quite a bit lower against them, too. Righties don’t draw many walks, but they hit for a solid average and have hit for a little bit of power against him this season so far.


RHH 122 30 8 0 3 7 32 .268 .312 .420
LHH 140 25 3 3 3 21 32 .214 .329 .368

Pitch Usage

4-Seam Cutter Slider Splitter
Velo 93.5 86.2 83.9 85.6
Usage 49.0% 9.7% 14.8% 26.5%

Zach Davies

The righty has had a solid start to the year, posting a 4.18 ERA through 11 starts. Right-handed hitters aren’t hitting much with a .221 average, but they are hitting for plenty of power. Lefties have hit for a higher average, and they are striking out half as often, but they aren’t hitting for any power at all against him.


RHH 118 23 4 0 6 11 29 .221 .297 .433
LHH 116 26 4 1 2 10 14 .248 .310 .362

Pitch Usage

2-Seam Cutter Slider Change Curve
Velo 89.1 87.6 77.5 79.2 75.0
Usage 47.5% 9.5% 0.2% 35.6% 7.2%

When and Where

  • Game time: 12:35pm ET
  • Where: Great American Ball Park
  • Watch: Bally Sports Ohio,
  • Listen: 700 WLW AM (Cincinnati area)
  • Forecast: 65°, cloudy, 5% chance of rain

News and Notes

Colin Moran is back

Prior to the game the Reds recalled infielder Colin Moran from Triple-A Louisville and optioned reliever Jared Solomon to Triple-A.

Max Schrock could return this weekend

201 Responses

  1. Redsvol

    This is probably the best lineup we can field this week. Hoping it will get things done. Good to see drury back in there. Hope Senzel gets better soon and avoids the DL. can’t wait for shrock, India and Barrerro to get recalled.

  2. Moonmadness

    I expect a Reds win today. I think Mahle bounces back with a good performance today and we get enough offense to pull out a win. Reds are still in front of KC and Oakland and hot on the heels of Washington now as we slowly move off the bottom of the MLB heap.

  3. DataDumpster

    Good news on Drury and Schrock, while we wonder if Senzel’s sore back will turn into a 10 day event or longer. The injury situation seems to be endemic to this team going back to 2019 when a “stomach illness” or something got several players sick and led to policy changes. Does the team just have a lot of players prone to injury, poorly conditioned players, bad medical staff, and/or excessive caution (players told to sit out with minor muscle soreness or other conditions that “normal” people suffer frequently?) I think this is a very important topic for which the team manager sets the tone at least while replying on several others to implement the policies under his direction. All these scheduled rest days, strict pitching limit policies, etc. is confusing to me. It seems that more players are getting injured and John Smoltz (perhaps the only HOF that excelled in both SP and closer roles) discussed that at length on a recent telecast.

    • Redsfan4life

      Don’t forget the ECK. He excelled at both.

    • Mark A Verticchio

      I agree 100%, there has to be a reason for all these types of injuries that have hurt the team this year. The problem is I don’t know what it is, I tend to agree with John Smoltz. I think Bell’s scheduled days off and innings limits have made the players fragile. However, he isn’t alone a lot of modern day managers do the same thing. But, that doesn’t make it right.

  4. ryan

    The Diamondbacks’ pitcher’s ERA of 4.18 represents a solid start? Wow, standards have changed

    • Doug Gray

      His ERA+, which is adjusted for all of the ballparks he’s pitched in this year, is 99. 100 is league average. So yeah, having a league average ERA is a solid start.

      • ryan

        Lies, darned lies, statistics. If your ERA is above 4, then on average your team needs 5 runs to win. Don’t need a slide rule to figure that out, Doug.

      • Doug Gray

        Ryan – don’t curse.

        But I don’t know what to tell you about the whole “standards have changed” comment. The league average ERA in 1970 was 3.89. This year the league average ERA is 3.97. The run environment isn’t all that different. How teams get those runs, and how many pitchers those runs are charged to is quite different.

      • LDS

        Haha, DG, we’ll agree to disagree. Still one of my favorite sites even when we disagree.

    • LDS

      Come on Ryan, get on the analytics bandwagon. By ERA+, Tom Seaver and Bob Gibson come in ranked somewhere in the 30s of all time while Nolan Ryan is in the 300s. Why would you want one of those guys when you can have Brandon Webb, who clocks in at #18. Ignore autocorrelation (i.e., the same independent variables rearranged to give a different metric) and accept that the game has changed and not for the better.

      • Doug Gray

        You are missing a ton of context, LDS. But that would get in the way of your narrative against ERA+.

      • LDS

        Context? DG I’ve looked at the formula, read several books on modern baseball “analytics” and talked to my grad school stat professor, I’m not sure what the context would be. I remember back in the early 70s when Sports Illustrated was touting the “dominance index” as a metric to show that the 1971 Milwaukee Bucks were the greatest team in NBA history. Essentially, the DI was the ratio of the Bucks’ winning margin to the next best average winning margin. The problem was that it was descriptive not predictive. The Lakers won the following year and at one point ran off 33 straight wins. The Bill James books from the 70s were fun but no one would have suggested managing day-to-day play using such.

      • Doug Gray

        The context would be that you are saying these HOFers were better despite the ERA+ of this non-hall of famer while ignoring that Brandon Webb literally never threw a pitch in the big leagues during his 30’s because his arm fell off. That also means that he, unlike the other guys, never experienced the “downside” of his career that would have made his “18th of all time ERA+” fall like it does for nearly everyone as their career enters the twilight years.

        It also misses the context that even though Webb was an innings eater for his era, the other three guys were still throwing more innings per season than he was while being just as good at preventing runs versus the league in their prime as he was, thus making them more valuable.

        That’s the context you were missing with your little diatribe against ERA+.

      • LDS

        Thank you for proving ERA+ meaningless.

      • Doug Gray

        Thank you for proving that you don’t have a clue what you are talking about.

      • greenmtred

        Analytics is just data. It is certainly possible for data to be both accurate and nearly meaningless, but my understanding is that the significance of the propositions suggested by baseball analytics is tested by detailed analysis of thousands of games. Hence we know that OBP and OPS are better predictors of a team’s scoring ability than is batting avg. You and I grew up with traditional stats, LDS, but is more information really so threatening?

  5. JB

    Let’s hope the good Mahle shows up today.

  6. Mark A Verticchio

    I must ask why Moran instead of Santana? I realize he isn’t on the 40 man but, why not? He is 25 and hitting well over .300 in triple A. His future is much better than Moran’s.

    • Bet on Red

      Moran undoubtedly just headed up the list for the first to be DFA’d when Schrock comes back. I think he is getting a showcase for other teams

      • LDS

        Rather optimistic take on Moran. I hope you’re right, but I wouldn’t bet on it.

      • JB

        There is no room for Moran when everybody comes back and I believe he is out of options now.

      • VaRedsFan

        I think once they use an option in a given year, that it is good for the whole year, no matter how many times they go up or down.

  7. Mark Moore

    OK, Bet on Red … are we queueing up a “but … but … but …” here?

    • Mark Moore

      Tha’ll do, pig. That’ll do.

    • Bet on Red

      no but I did clear my player bet on Votto

  8. Bet on Red

    HRE for the first inning clears 3rd time in 4 games

  9. Bet on Red

    Votto bet clears…. I might clear all of my bets in the first inning. only tysteve is left

    • Mark Moore

      Feels like it might be the “Jolene” effect

      • Daytonnati

        He always did well with “Paint It Black”, which I appreciated 🙂

  10. Mark Moore

    OK, 3 runs, 8 batters, and closer to 30 pitches than not. I’ll take that for the first inning. Let’s hope last night was just “off” on multiple fronts.

  11. DHud

    3 spot in the first

    If Mahle comes out now and is nibbling and taking everyone to full counts and walking batters, trade him before the game is even over

    • Mark Moore

      Or if he performs this way for 6 innings, start taking calls and line up a trade. It’s days like this that help buoy up his value for a team looking to make their charge to October.

  12. Mark Moore

    Rojas wasn’t happy with that call, but it was WAY too close to take. Looked like it just clipped that inside, upper corner of what we see as the zone.

  13. Mark Moore

    Let them off easy without even running up the pitch count. Hope we don’t continue doing that or that it doesn’t come back to haunt us.

  14. JB

    Good lord , now Stephenson. This team needs somebody to come in and get rid of the bad juju.

    • Tom Mitsoff

      The Reds will be extremely lucky if that is not a clean break or a fracture.

      • JB

        I wasn’t going to say that because of bad juju. Hoping for maybe the nail got ripped off.

  15. Mark Moore

    Just when you thought it was safe to go back into the water …

  16. Bet on Red

    obviously picked the wrong day to bet on TySteve. Hope he is ok. WIll end the day ahead anyway

    • Mark Moore

      All depends on what it did to his finger and finger nail. Always a tough thing for a catcher on the throwing hand.

  17. Mark A Verticchio

    So much for people who say Stephenson should remain at catcher, he should learn to play an outfield position, left, along with first base and DH. The Reds need to trade for a catcher. If Stephenson could move to the outfield that would lock down left for years to come.

    • Tom Mitsoff

      I am definitely with you. Anyone who believes Stephenson can be a great hitter should be in favor of making that move. The TV crew just mentioned that the thumb in his catching hand has no feeling from catching Ashcraft and Greene.

      • Mark A Verticchio

        Tom, you make a great point about Ashcraft and Greene. In the future, for the sake of the catcher they should not be pitching back to back. I wouldn’t doubt if Stephenson is out for awhile, but I sure hope not.

    • Mark Moore

      I’d been resistant to that kind of move (as opposed to 1B), but he seems to be athletic enough to make it work. 50% of the games are in GABP, so it’s not like we’re talking a huge ballpark. Ultimately way less than 50% will be in the “huge” parks.

      Regardless, we need to find a way to protect his bat and keep it in the lineup.

    • Doc

      Or maybe he could learn to keep his throwing hand behind him as Bench did.

  18. Mark Moore

    I’m hoping we didn’t blow our wad in the 1st inning again. We really need to keep the pressure on and manufacture some more runs.

  19. Daytonnati

    Well, the dropped foul ball hurt us last night, let’s see if this one bites us.

    • Daytonnati

      I should say “missed” foul ball.

  20. Mark Moore

    Not a super-easy play, but seemed Moran did the “ole” bit too much there. As Cowboy said, get in front of it.

    • Mark A Verticchio

      Cowboy is 100% right. He says that while Larkin makes excuses for Moran. Tell me which one you enjoy more.

      • Mark Moore

        Larkin is fine in general if he’s not paired with the non-stop jabber-mouth that is Sadak. But Cowboy is definitely right on that one. If Larkin is cutting him slack for not getting in front of it, he’s forgotten how to play the IF.

        I think that’s the kind of indication that Moran is only up until Schrock is ready. Then he’s back down.

  21. Mark A Verticchio

    Larkin is to kind, a major league player has to make that play period.

  22. Mark Moore

    I watch TJ doing that and I hear Lou Brown saying, “Every time you pop it up, you owe me 20 pushups”

  23. Jonathan Linn

    Does Brandon Drury have a chance to be an All Star this year? not as a starter…nolan arenado and Manny Machado are probably the starters. Drury is top 5 in OPS for 3rd basemen…I would have never guessed that when the season started.

    • JB

      I think Stephenson is the front runner for the Reds lone participant. They aren’t getting anymore than one. Ashcraft keeps doing what he is doing, he might get the nod.

      • Jonathan Linn

        i think they could get two or three depending how Diaz performs over the next month.

  24. Dennis Westrick

    Atypical game for Mahle The Nibbler! Nine (9) strikeouts thru 5 innings but the high pitch count is nornal.

  25. Votto4life

    If the Reds are going to trade Luis Castillo then Mets C Francisco Alverez makes a lot of sense.

    It’s a shame, they could have kept Tucker Barnhart for what they are paying Mike Minor.

  26. Mark Moore

    104 through 6 and the lead after some trouble. Nicely done by Mahle. Now we need to provide some more run support.

  27. Hanawi

    Nice start from Mahle. Other than the complete disaster against the Cubs, he’s been pretty solid for the last month. Walk rate is still really high though which keeps him from getting into the 7th or 8th inning.

    • Mark Moore

      Yep. Just too many darned pitches overall.

  28. Dennis Westrick

    Nice job by Mahle to escape the 6th! If he ever learns to reduce the walks, especially early in the game, he will probably be able to go 7 or 8 innings in most of his starts!

    • Kevin H

      Sometimes I think people are too critical of Mahle, however on flip side I see the point being made. IF he can go from 2 walks per game to 0 walks per game he may pitch into the 8th inning. So, I see both sides of thought process.

      My take Mahle would do better in San franciso. Look at Disco last season

  29. Bet on Red

    Diaz… really want to like him. Came out red hot. Needs to get it under control here.

  30. Mark Moore

    And we have a Pizza K kind of day

  31. Kevin H

    Good afternoon Loyal Reds fans.. I am late to the party, working 12 hours does that to a person lol…. From the box score what happened to Almora? I read where Stephenson got hit with a foul ball.

    • JB

      Dove for a ball and hurt his shoulder. Came out after the inning.

    • Tom Mitsoff

      Almora dived for a fly ball in the outfield and came up wincing and flexing his shoulder.

    • Tomn

      Is Stephenson OK? Didn’t see an answer to this question. Haven’t been able to watch.

  32. LDS

    Trade Mahle now following a good game. If he wins a Cy Young award elsewhere, good for him.

  33. Dennis Westrick

    Why must the Reds relief pitchers walk the leadoff batter in what seems like every inning they appear in a close game? This is something you teach Little League and High School pitchers NOT to do! Protect the lead, pitch to contact and do not bring the tying or go-ahead runner to the plate! Pure tortue to watch!

    • Mark Moore

      It’s in their contracts. Right next to the clause about inherited runners scoring.

      • JB

        I think Mark is right. They’ve done it for about 3 years going.

    • Doc

      They are not in little league or high school any more. They are professionals and they know it all. They don’t have to listen to little league or high school coaches any more. That, among others, is a reason the BP sucks.

  34. Mark Moore

    So who takes AA’s place on the 26 when the next round of IL players is ready to come back? His prolific strikeout rate just far overshadows his defense.

      • Mark Moore

        I’m thinking Schrock takes Moran’s very temporary spot.

    • Mark Moore

      Cowboy’s commentary on AA is very insightful and accurate. There will always be pressure to perform at the MLB level. You either rise to it, or you don’t.

      Friedl seems to be saying, “I want to stay” with his play today.

      • LDS

        TJ? One game guys, let’s not oversell. Aquino had a month and look where we are now.

    • JB

      I’ll tell you when everybody comes back, including Naquin, there will only be 3 spots left. Starting 8 and Almora and Garcia. I would go with Solano,Schrock and Berraro if ready. If not Reynolds. I would take Friedl and Lopez before Moose.

  35. Mark Moore

    Speed kills … but ONLY if you are able to get on base.

  36. Mark Moore

    8th inning … buckle up everybody. We’ve still got Diaz out there. Nice job getting Marte out to start it off.

    • Bet on Red

      and then he nearly kills walker

      • Mark Moore

        Ugly moment … hate to see one get away that badly

  37. DHud

    Get Diaz out now.

    Not after the inning, not if he gives up another runner


  38. Hanawi

    Two innings from Diaz? Happy to see it. Have to roll with your better pitchers.

    • Kevin H

      But he is done for next two games.. With close to 30 pitches over two innings.

      • Hanawi

        So now that’s one less game for one of your worse pitchers to get into. That’s much better.

  39. Mark A Verticchio

    Moran not looked good for his one day stay, just dfa him.

    • LDS

      I’d start Lopez over Moran any day, “soft contact” and all.

  40. Mark Moore

    Well … Moran definitely isn’t impressing with his glove today. Perhaps he figured he’s filling in for Moose and playing that way? Asking for a friend … 😮

  41. Mark Moore

    OK, Diaz got the job done. Would really feel better with another run or two in our half of the 8th.

  42. Mark Moore

    Garcia put a charge into that one.

    Did Joey get a TOOTBLAN going back to 1B?

    • Mark Moore

      Cowboy says “It’s kind of nitpicky” but he explained it well.

    • Tom Mitsoff

      No way that he passed second base.

  43. Mark Moore

    Will we see Tony the Tiger or Tony the Housecat in the 9th? Stay tuned …

  44. Hanawi

    Santillan is not a closer. Bell needs to give up on that experiment. He’s more of a long man in the bullpen.

  45. Bet on Red

    Not a fan of Tony S in this moment, but who else do we have

  46. JB

    Again with walking the first batter….

  47. Mark Moore

    We know our track record with inherited runners. Why do we feel the “need” to grant them runners as well?

    Cowboy is saying this kind of stuff “makes my stomach start to hurt”. He’s attributing at least some of it to the save metric instead of focusing on throwing the first strike.

  48. Tom Mitsoff

    Many times when he enters the game, Santillan can’t hit the broad side of the strike zone.

    • greenmtred

      Diaz has great stuff and is still prone to fits of wildness. He’s also young. So is Tony S. And don’t you want your best BP guy pitching in the highest leverage situations?

  49. Kevin H

    So could this be 3 games in a row where Mahle doesn’t come out with a win? after pitching well?

  50. Mark Moore

    Active demonstration as to why letting that first guy get on is a bad thing in almost every situation.

    Need a GIDP here. Hope it doesn’t go toward Moran first.

  51. Mark Moore

    Too close for comfort. Looks like the slide pushed his foot back into the bag.

    • Bet on Red

      Agreed. but Farmers foot microscopically beats the runners foot to the bag. therefore the FOrce should have been applied. Get someone up, Tony is going to lose this for us

  52. JB

    I’m thinking that I’m only going to watch the game until the starter gets taken out. It’s not worth the aggravation to watch the bullpen blow it.

  53. Jim t

    After watching the bull pen last year you couldn’t convince me this years group could be worse.

  54. Mark Moore

    Let’s remember, boys and girls, a strike-out of Rojas is predicated on Tony throwing at least some strikes.

  55. LDS

    Is Rojas his third batter? Get him out of there.

      • LDS

        Too late. Send him down. And call up guys from Chattanooga. Couldn’t be worse. Heading for yet another split with a lousy team following the Cubs, Pirates, and Nats. Imagine if Bell had held onto Diaz and went with Santillian or Kuhnel with Diaz in reserve.

  56. Mark Moore

    And this is why we can’t have nice things around the house

  57. Bet on Red

    Absolute Garbage. Tired of this. Tired of Bell’s misuse of the Bullpen. Tired of the front office’s excuses for Feilding such a garbage team. WHY IS BELL STILL EMPLOYED

    • Indy Red Man

      Those are his 2 best guys? Not his fault management gave him no vets in the pen except underachiever Sims and old man Justin Wilson & Strickland. Sims/Wilson and half the team hurt as well

      • Hanawi

        I’m not convinced Santillan is one of the two best guys in the bullpen. He’s shown me nothing.

      • Bet on Red

        I got Diaz being out there, but Tony S has shown himself to be the 7th inning guy at best

      • greenmtred

        So, as Indy said, who are you bringing in instead? It’s easy to say that Bell used the wrong guy, but there isn’t an obvious right guy.

    • burtgummer01

      Because armchair managers aren’t smart enough

    • wkuchad

      What was the misuse exactly? Who would you have brought in different? You got Diaz for two innings.

    • Tom Mitsoff

      I’m not sure what Bell did wrong. He used the guys who have been his most reliable relievers (which admittedly isn’t saying much).

      • Bet on Red

        DIaz has been reliable yes, up until at least receintly. But Tony S has not been reliable this year in a stress-based situations.

  58. Kevin H

    Bullpen did it again. Maybe Detwiller can be ur closer? I dunno, but when you use your best pitcher in 7th inning then this happens.

    • Jim t

      If Diaz didn’t pitch the 7th we may already have been behind in the game.

      • Kevin H

        He is your best pitcher though. Again I go back to having roles when u r winning. Bell doesn’t and never has had a “role” for his bullpen pitchers.

      • Jim t

        His role is to get hitters out. If 3,4 and 5 hitters are coming up why not go with your best pitcher. Bell didn’t lose this game Santillan did.

  59. Doc

    No BP, no good. With any BP competence we wouldn’t be complaining how bad this team is. Well, yes we would, but we wouldn’t have as much material to work with.

  60. Jim t

    Now you see why we lose games where we don’t give up any hits. The starting pitchers must be sick to there stomach.

    We had a 9-0 lead in one of these games in the 7th inning and won 14-8.

      • Hanawi

        He pitched to 6. Bell could have pulled him earlier.

    • wkuchad

      You and LDS should start a Detwiller support group. Of all the Bell complaints, not pitching Detwiller may be the most ridiculous. He’s in his mid to upper 30s and has had one season of sub-4.00 ERA since 2012. He’s not our savior.

      • Hanawi

        He may not be the savior or a long-term answer, but he’s been pitching better than a lot of these guys in his limited role since coming back from injury. Santillan allows a base runner in every appearance. That’s not a closer.

      • wkuchad

        We don’t have a closer. We don’t even have a legit bullpen.

      • LDS

        Never mentioned Detwiller. But thanks all the same. David Bell future NL manager of the year

      • greenmtred

        He’s also not part of the future. The job this season is to see who is, and you do that, in part, by letting the young guys work out of jams.

  61. Bet on Red

    where is the lineup at when the reds come back

  62. TR

    If the Reds are to be competitive again, they need a closer.

  63. Mark Moore

    He who hesitates …

    Cowboy is saying he thought they could have gotten a DP if he went to 2nd.

  64. Jim t

    If I’m Bell I’m praying they fire me. This team is terrible and ownership could careless. After all, were are we going to go.SMDH!!!!

  65. Tom Mitsoff

    With seven walks today, the Reds will continue to lead the majors in walks issued.

    • Jim t

      I think it’s a fine if the relief pitcher doesn’t walk the lead off hitter.

    • LDS

      It goes directly to the Reds pitching program. I’m waiting for them to corrupt Ashcraft.

  66. Kevin H

    Bullpen cost this team the playoffs last season. This year same ole same ole. Bell again misuses the pen and has Diaz pitch the 7th when he is clearly your most dominant pitcher.
    Again I go to the Brewers formula, when they have the lead they have Williams in the 8th, Hader in the 9th. It works for them

    • Jim t

      We don’t have Hader and Williams. Bell is not responsible for this crap show.

      • Kevin H

        I agree Jim, however why r you not using Diaz in the 9th inning ?? All I am saying is these pitchers 1 day pitch in the 5th inning, next day in 9th inning ..

        Throw analytics out the window. Bell’s problem to me he coaches using analytics and it isn’t working

      • Jim t

        Kevin because he used his best pitchers when the oppositions best hitters are coming up. Diaz did his job. Santillan did not. So. Your saying if we would have pitched Santillan in the 7th and 8th we would have won. I’m guessing Not.

    • Indy Red Man

      Who pitches the 7th-8th then? Unproven/washed up guys give it up. Everybody got scored on last night and today too. Its not on Bell. Sorry. They give him nothing but scrubs like Strickland? Sims is hurt. Antone is hurt.

    • wkuchad

      If you have the Brewers pitchers, you can use the Brewers formula.

      We don’t.

  67. Indy Red Man

    The Reds have to get some legit relievers if they ever want to compete? You just can’t compete with a pen full of unproven guys and guys nearing the end like Strickland and Justin Wilson. Sims is hurt as well, but he’s not that good. They didn’t want to pay Givens but he can atleast get righties out. Other option is to start converting some of these guys in the minors to high leverage, but they’ll hit and miss too like Santillan.

    • DaveCT

      In fairness, we are converting starters to relievers, first with Cingrani, Garrett, Stephenson, Romano, Sims, Davis, Hoffman, etc., and now with Santillan, Solomon,

      • Indy Red Man

        Thats true. I guess no young kid signs as a pitcher hoping to relieve. Except Chapman

      • DaveCT

        That is still painful … he could have been Randy Johnson. I still fault Dusty for that, for getting in the kid’s head and sabotaging management, bc he wanted a closer.

  68. Eddie

    We was winning and next thing I know from getting lunch we are losing Tony allow 2 runs and now we down by 2. Bullpen sucks

  69. Dennis Westrick

    Four (4) walks by the last 2 Reds relief pitchers! Ridiculous!

  70. Mark Moore

    And we’re down to the dregs of the game. So many things didn’t go right today … SO many.

    And then Mark Reynolds keeps hope alive for the moment.

    • Mark Moore

      And Friedl brings us back to reality

  71. Dennis Westrick

    No lead is safe with this bullpen! Needed three (3) lousy outs by someone, anyone!

  72. JohnnyTV

    Mahle thinking: “Can they move the trade deadline up six weeks? Get me outta here!”

  73. SOQ

    I had hopes for a nice Reds’ rebound moving forward, but after this series and the last, I’m much less optimistic. Very disappointing.

  74. Indy Red Man

    O M G….gambling Gods love me lately

    Had Votto rbi/Reds Over 3.5 parlay. Offense looked dead got Under 4.5 in the 6th to hedge. Hit both right there!! ONce again….the only way u can watch this team

  75. Joe P.

    I’m late to the conversation, and I said this about a week or two ago, but Santillan is not in good shape. He needs to be sent down to AAA to work on his conditioning, specifically his lower body conditioning. He doesn’t move well and we saw that come into play on his errant throw to second and the wild pitch before that. He’s off-balance too often.

  76. Hanawi

    Santillan has not allowed a baserunner in only 3 appearances all year and two of those were in the 1st week of the season. You cannot live as a relief pitcher like that.

  77. Kevin H

    I agree with everything being said. I use brewers as a example. I know Reds don’t have a talented bullpen. All I am saying is the reds bullpen isn’t “set” but hey it is what it is.

    • Indy Red Man

      You can have me all “set” to be the anchorman in a relay race, but its not going to work. You need talent and/or experience.

  78. Dennis Westrick

    Santillan was a one-man wrecking crew today! And, once again, the Reds snatch defeat from the jaws of victory! Good teams find a way to win, bad teams do what the Reds did today!

  79. Doc

    A well deserved loss for Santillan. I don’t feel sorry for Mahle not getting a win. Games have been 9 innings for the entire 70 years I’ve been watching them. All of the greats with huge win totals did not rely on bullpens.

    Maybe things would be different if all salaries were multiplied by team wins divided by team losses. No, that wouldn’t work; arbiters would just award higher salaries.

    • Indy Red Man

      Old guy get off my lawn alert. Just kidding. But 9 inning starts? Why don’t you ask for leather helmuts with a single facemask? Too many rich young athletes with all their teeth anyway

  80. Mark Moore

    I’m now firmly convinced we’re no better than a .500 team for the rest of the year, even with “the cavalry” coming back from the IL. The BP will continue to be an Achille’s heel like today. Cowboy mentioned some of it is due to “youth and inexperience”. I’m thinking lessons learned today are hard ones.

    Not sure how much I’ll catch over the weekend. I’m out of town for a couple days and just maybe I’ll take a breather from the fun here. I do believe I’m leaving my laptop at home.

  81. burtgummer01

    Apathy set in not too long ago I just watch now because it’s almost comical how nad they are

  82. DataDumpster

    It is hard to allow a team to score 4 runs with only 2 singles but they did it. Two intentional walks with the the control our bullpen has? I’ve also noticed that Bell doesn’t have a backup thrower in the bullpen many times (as a confidence measure)? It was clear Santillan was left in too long. Nobody’s fault as usual. Another tough loss to the worst hitting team in MLB.