Earlier this week we heard that Phil Castellini, the Cincinnati Reds chief operating officer, had written a letter of apology to the employees of the team. That report initially came from Jon Heyman of the New York Post, which is a bit strange because well, how was he – a journalist for a newspaper in New York – the first person to report on this? How did he even get that information?

But apparently Heyman has some sort of contacts in Cincinnati because on Thursday he had more out of Cincinnati. He reported that after Castellini’s comments there were a decent number of employees who resigned – noting that one person told him they believed there were 30(!) of them before the apology to employees came.

While the idea of 30 resignations coming does sound like an absurdly high number that almost isn’t believable, there’s probably at least some smoke to that fire. That, however, wasn’t the part that stuck out the most from his report. Heyman mentioned that one rumor around the Reds is that Walt Jocketty could return to take on a bigger role with the organization than he currently has – he’s an executive advisor to the CEO (Bob Castellini). Jocketty was recently seen with the club out in San Diego last week, and is often enough around the team. He’s never been that far away from the club, just out of the limelight. What kind of “bigger role” that would be was not mentioned, nor speculated upon.

Luis Castillo to start for Louisville tonight

The Reds sent Luis Castillo out to begin his rehab assignment on Sunday when he made his first appearance with the High-A Dayton Dragons. He threw 48 pitches in 2.1 innings where he allowed two hits, walked three, struck out four, and allowed one earned run. Tonight he’ll make the jump up to Triple-A when he joins the Louisville Bats on the road in Columbus, Ohio. The Reds have said that he was likely to make two more rehab starts following the one in Dayton. That timeline would likely have Castillo return to the rotation against the Milwaukee Brewers during the next home stand.

106 Responses

  1. realist

    Walt Jocketty? Oh man it keeps getting better. There cannot be a worse owner in all of sports that Castellini.

    • Bryan Roth

      Absolutely no one is excited about this brand of baseball!!!!
      If Castellini isn’t 100% invested then he should sell the team!! It doesn’t take a genius to know what it takes to build a winner!!

    • Private Gripweed

      Bob Nutting has entered the chat

    • Sam Doucette

      Dan Snyder of the Washington Commanders. Phil Melnyk of the Ottawa Senators.

    • Nelson coble

      It’s always darkest just before it goes pitch black. Despair Inc

  2. Jonathan Linn

    I would like to see Dick Williams come back. Thought he was taking the club in the right direction. Or try and grab Theo Epstein out of retirement…or give the bank to Andrew Friedman

    • Jonh James

      I always wondered why Williams left. I liked him and thought he had the Reds headed in the right direction too. Epstein would be excellent! Krall is starting to remind me of Dick Wagner. I’m in my 60s and beginning to doubt I’ll ever see the Reds win another World Championship.

    • Farmer Fran

      It’s pretty obvious Williams resigned due to the owner telling him to cut payroll. Zero chance he comes back.

  3. LDS

    Jocketty trumps Krall. He was good at St. Louis. But one would think that significant departures from the Reds staff would be big news in the local press. Casually, Heyman record on breaking news seems mixed. Maybe I’m not paying close enough attention to him but that is my impression.

    • Jim Walker

      Heyman was essentially a management voice during the lockout. Probably the same source planted these leaks.

      Castellini supposedly was the focal person in a group of 5-6 owners who took a scorched earth hardline and forced the settlement to be dragged out beyond what a majority of owners were allegedly ready to settle on (believe it takes 75% affirmative but MLB didn’t want even any appearance of split ranks).

      Boras and Castellanos have called out Reds ownership on the record. Boras went as far as to say he personally spoke with Bob Castellini to make it clear Castellanos was interested in coming back to the Reds.

      People are trying to grease the skids.

      • TR

        I think the skids are greased. it’s just a question of whose going to be sliding down.

      • Jim Walker

        Should note that Nick Castellanos went out of his way to speak well of Nick Krall. He said he liked Krall and that he was told how much $$ he was allowed to spend and to make the team work with that amount or less.

        The target is the ownership suite

      • Jim Walker

        @TR>> You are probably right but “they” (MLB and others) want to be sure the skids are slick enough that if somebody at the very top tries to push somebody at the next level down, the person at the top will go tumbling too.

    • Amarillo

      Jocketty depleted our farm system when he was previously here. Now, they are in too deep and depleting the farm system again would be the absolute worst thing they could do. When Jocketty was promoted last time, the Reds had 4 top 20 prospects in all of baseball (Votto, Cueto, Bruce, Bailey) all hit the majors at the exact same time, and then Jocketty emptied what we had left for what became a very short competitive window and no playoff series victories. If we want any hope for the future, he can’t make decisions the same way he made them before.

  4. Hotto4Votto

    The Reds need to make the smart decision, as the Cardinals did many years ago, and distance themselves from Jocketty. Of course, what do they do? Bring him in even closer. Inept ownership.

    Sell the team Bob, fire Phil, jettison Jocketty.

    • Tom Reeves

      Sell to who?

      Cincinnati isn’t chocked full of billionaires.

      Phil was dumb to say what he said. But also wasn’t wrong on the merits. Whoever buys the team, unless they have so much money that they can lose tens of millions of dollars per year, will face the same financial constraints as the current ownership group.

      Baseball is broken and that’s not entirely Bob and Phil’s fault.

      • Hotto4Votto

        To someone who wants to win and put a competitive team on the field.

      • JoshG

        i said this at the time, I think he was more saying if they sold there was a decent chance the buyer would at least consider moving the team

      • realist

        Sell to someone who won’t meddle and run the club in full nepotism mode. Castellini fouled up many trades and hired the wrong people. SELL THE TEAM BOB!

      • Dan

        Every team in MLB brings in at least $100 million from national + local TV deals. Every single one. (Most bring in more, but even the Reds are getting somewhere in the neighborhood of $100 million/year from TV – about $66 million from their share of national TV money (Forbes estimate), plus $30-something million from their deal with Bally.)

        And that’s before a single ticket or jersey or beer or hot dog is sold.

        So keep that in mind when you see MLB payrolls.

        They never open their books, so we can’t know for sure (of course), but other than maybe 2020, I think the Reds and the Castellinis are doing just fine.

        Oh and let’s not forget that the value of the team is now over $1 billion! I know that is not liquid cash flow, but still, do you HAVE to make profit every single year, when you know at some point, whenever you sell, you’re going to make a killing?

        Buying a house is (usually) a good investment, right? When you own a house, do you expect it to be profitable every year? No! Houses cost money! So year-by-year, you lose money. (Although, you have a house to live in.) It’s a good investment b/c you get a nice profit in the end, when you sell.

        Why can’t an MLB team be the same? These guys are incredibly wealthy people…

        Anyway… I’ll get off my soapbox now.

      • DavidW

        Sell to a Billionaire that wants to win and isn’t looking for his next Billion in baseball. I don’t believe that the Reds lose money overall, but I do believe that ownership looks to make money from the Reds and they have, not from dividends but the appreciation of the asset the purchased increasing in value. The scare tactic that the team will be moved if sold is just that, a scare tactic. The Reds were “saved” by Marge and again by Carl, but truth is that baseball doesn’t move or allow their teams to jump like the NFL.

      • TR

        A new owner, without local ties, might consider moving the Reds, but I doubt MLB would approve losing baseball’s most historic franchise with a good fanbase and stadium.

      • Bubba Woo

        Why does the owner need to be from Cincinnati? There are over a thousand billionaires in the US and 30 MLB teams? Do the math…and Sell the Team Bob

      • Rednat

        i agree Tom. I feel ownership really has tried but baseball is so broken only a few snobby teams can have sustained success.Yanks, Dodgers etc

      • Daniel Greulich

        This narrative that no one will buy the team has to stop.

        1. There is no asset that grows from $270 million to $1.19 billion over 16 yrs that does not have worth to someone.

        2. There are only 32 baseball teams. Scarcity tends to breed desire.

        3. Why does someone from Cincinnati need to buy the team?

        Put the team up for auction and you will see that 1.19 billion is a light valuation.

      • Tom Reeves

        The Castellani’s have run the team to break even each year with two exceptions: the $47m loss in 2020 and the year they got the steaming service cash, which the ownership group took some as a shareholder distribution. The Castellani’s own 30% of the club, so the decisions to take distributions is a ownership group decision.

        The Reds could move to a market like Nashville to drive profitability. Now MLB would have to approved but teams like the Reds and As are an issue for MLB, a move to a better market might get approved. The contract with the county is a problem and there would have to be some sort of settlement and or there will be lawsuits. But it can be resolved.

        So, as Phil stupidly said on opening day, be careful what you wish for.

      • VegasRed

        Wrong Tom. This is the same baloney that Phil and Bob have sold to everyone. Go ahead and believe what you want but expect pushback from me and others who aren’t buying it.

        Castellini crew have had 16 years to hire a proven baseball winner in the FO and completely whiffed. That is on those clowns not the fans or the market.

        And now back to Jocketty who failed I. The last big rebuild?

        Insanity is repeating a failed strategy.

        Please stop making excuses or repeating propaganda from these clowns.

      • Chris Wheeler

        Owners that are successful are not in it to make money, Period. The successful owners use their own money to enhance their team in free agency. Those are the teams that win for the most part. Now everyone will throw up the exception. But the teams that win without owners forking out their own money are a very rare exception. The best owners win because it is about winning not profit to them. This whole “cannot lose money” argument is a red herring.

      • Toledoredsfan

        Correct. Baseball is broken. I am no expert on the finances, but my take is that they make money without having to put a winner on the field. Fans in the stands is nothing more than a bonus to baseball owners. I just can’t fathom owning a team and not caring about winning.

      • Matt WI

        Mark Cuban! He wanted the Cubs once. Like others have said, the owner doesn’t have to be homegrown.

    • Doc

      How much of the team does Castellini actually own? He is the managing partner, but I thought I had read that his stake was 15%, give or take. Whatever his stake, is that not the limit of what he can sell?

      • Jim Walker

        We don’t know because it is a privately held LLC. There have been mutterings in various places that there may be bylaws or strings attached to shares not held by the principal owner(s) which would force all owners to participate in a full sellout approved by the principal owners (Believed to be the Castellini stake and Williams brothers, Dick’s dad and an uncle, per required open filings).

        Presumably, the total equity of voting shares held by the principal owners is high enough to block a move to override any decisions by them (again guessing based on past reports this is probably 34% or more with 2/3 of voting shares required to override).

      • TheCoastMan

        You are correct, reported to be 15% with management control. Basically, when it comes to being greedy, there is an entire group of shareholders that want a bigger dividend.

      • Chuck

        From what was written on another forum Castellini owns 15% of the team and his share is the managing partner. I can only guess but they have a long list of limited partners that probably care more about getting a profitable distribution of their fair share than putting a winning team on the field. I myself would be willing to go down more often if the Reds would show us that they are trying to win consistently.

    • Drury

      I would much rather have Walk than Phil as the lead baseball “guy.” While Walt is past his prime, I am sure he understand the game much better than Phil, and I am sure he is more respected around the league by other executives than Phil who is in his position due to to nepotism, and nothing he has accomplished in the baseball world.

  5. Melvin

    I honestly would probably rather have Jocketty than Krall. At least he knows how to speak in public. 🙂

    • Doc

      Is knowing how to speak in public the pathway to building a good team?

      • TR

        I recall the actions of GM Bob Howsam rather than his public speaking ability.

      • Jim Walker

        @TR> Yes on remembering Howsam for his actions but also I will never forget one of his signature phrases, “take and make a trade”. As in we needed to take and make a trade to make the team better. Or I decided it was time to take and make a trade. And several other sentences that ended with the same, take and make a trade.

      • Matt WI

        Krall signed ex Cardinal Tommy Pham… that was a Jocketty move anyway!

    • Drury

      I tried to respond earlier, but my comments are “awaiting moderation” which seems odd considering this is an open message board. However, I agree- Walt is certainly past his prime, but he has certainly forgotten more about baseball than Phil will ever know. Also, I have to believe that an aging Walt is much more respected for what he has done during his time in the league, than Phil who is in his baseball position via nepotism. Long story short, I would much rather have Walt negotiating with players and other league executive.

      Having said that, I would much prefer a total change in direction, but that seems unlikely with Bob running the team.

    • JayTheRed

      Honestly, I am with you on this. I am not against Jocketty running the team for the rest of this season at least. I just hope they go out and find someone else for this next offseason right after the season ends.

      He has to get better returns than what Krall has done if they sell of pieces of the team’s players.

  6. Pablo

    I had to check the calendar and see if this is April Fool’s Day!

  7. realist

    If Jocketty comes back we will have to rename him Walt “the bad penny” Jocketty. What’s next bring back Bob Boone? Jim Bowden?

  8. Votto4life

    Walt Jocketty keeps coming back like a bad penny. Zombie Jocko!

  9. Votto4life

    Bob: Well Mr. Jocketty, thank you for coming in today. Can you tell us about your experience ?

    Jock: Well, I have been a terrible General Manager in the past and a few years ago, I ran this organization into the ground.

    Bob: You’re Hired!

    • greenmtred

      The Reds did not fare well with Jocketty. The Cardinals, however, were consistently good during his tenure there, as I recall. There are many factors, without a doubt, but I wonder whether differing demands from ownership don’t make a big difference in a GM’s perceived performance?

  10. Redgoggles

    Fire the mirror. It’s clearly the mirror’s fault. The GM, manager, coaches, players all can stay/go, but the pressures currently reside where they belong, imo; the owners/family. I’ll come back if they fire Phil. That’s it for me. The rest is window dressing. No interest in Walt returning. How about a real GM? I thought Dick Williams did a nice job with the holistic organizational alignment approach. Sure, he missed out on a couple big contracts, but I think he did more good than bad. But seemingly short circuited by the impulses of the owner/family.

    • Votto4life

      I get the sense that Dick Williams fell out of favor for spending too much money. But yeah, if they brought him back, I would be on totally on board and would even throw him a parade.

      I knew when Dick Williams resigned that difficult days were ahead.

      • Andy

        Fell out of favor, or didn’t agree to change in direction and resigned rather than be the one to oversee the fire sale? I felt same thing when he left.

      • JayTheRed

        Williams left on his own terms. He knew bad things were coming that is why he got out.

      • Tom Reeves

        His family’s commercial real estate business was also tanking during Covid.

  11. SellTheTeamBob

    Reds are a microism of what is wrong with society. One making 25 million and another 24 players splitting less than 75 million.
    They have the WORST OWNER in any professional league and they got inept management that changes direction from players to the development of players.
    I knew enough about Bob’s produce company in KY and what he hired to to manage that industry. I saw them hire and train workers and I was horrified. I prefer not to divulge to much info even though I’m no longer a contract worker for them. I will say that I know that he bought fruits and vegetables from places that I would never eat their product. Bob or his management purchased the worst equipment possible by my standards and I am someone that will eat at McDonald’s, so my standards aren’t that high.
    I won’t ever attend a game until he sells. I haven’t watched a game since the ATL playoffs or even listened to them on the radio. In 1990 I turned down the TV to listen to Joe n Marty before the last out. I can still remember the starting 8 from 75/76. I’m lucky to have saw 3 World Series wins. I’m a lifelong die hard fan as many of you are, but I been disgusted for years now.
    I give Doug a few dollars a month for redsminorleagues, I come to redlegnation and traderumors, but that is all anymore. I refuse to put one cent towards any mlb event until Bob is gone!

  12. Greenfield Red

    Jocketty was the author of “near major league ready” return on trades during the rebuild. The only thing worse for the rebuild was the timing of the trades, which is probably Castellini. No thanks to both.

  13. Klugo

    I’ll take Jockety over Krall any day. Anyone but Nick Krall.

    • Votto4life

      I wonder is they are looking at Walt for GM or to replace Phil? Also, I wonder if Bob just has Walt snooping around as a consultant.

      To Bob, when Walt Jocketty is your hammer, the whole world is a nail.

      • Andy

        Replace Phil? I don’t think you know how hereditary monarchies work.

      • Votto4life

        Andy, I agree it’s not likely to happen, but I also think they have to give the fans some red meat or they are going to be a lot of empty seats masquerading as fans at GABP this season.

        Phil will maintain his influence rather he has a title or not.

  14. JoshG

    going to watch Castillo here in Columbus tonight

    • Jim Walker

      +100 Hope the weather is good. Over here Dayton way it is grayish and cool yet again but not supposed to rain till overnight.

  15. Indy Red Man

    Walt Jocketty. The Dick Cheney of baseball. Stay away. Stay far away.

    Honestly I don’t think the Reds front office got enough credit for taking a shot as a small market (smallest?) with Bauer, Castellanos, Moose, Shogo, Miley, Gray, etc. and I don’t blame them for blowing it up when it didn’t pan out, but its how they did it? 100% salary dump versus trying to get value by trading some guys. They turn around and pay Mike Minor 10 mil while letting Lorenzen walk? They have the foresight of a 9 year old with ADD. Nothing is going to change til they sell

    • Votto4life

      Indy I agree with you. I thought last year may have been the time to start moving towards a short term rebuild. But the way it was handled was atrocious. That’s my beef with Nick Krall. Dumping salaries with little return and then making it worse buy wasting money on players past their prime.

      The strategy may been sound but the execution was just awful. In my mind, Nick Krall must go before he does any further damage.

      • TR

        We Reds fans face quite a choice, stick with Krall or go backwards to Jocketty.

      • TheCoastMan

        I couldn’t agree more, Votto4 life.

      • Votto4life


        I really believe that’s a choiceless choice. I hope Bob has just asked Walt to take a look around and make some recommendation. If Walt replaces Krall then we are indeed just going around in circles. We will then have to wait another 5 years before righting the ship.

        No question Bob has been a successful businessman. I am just baffled how he has been successful by surrounding himself with yes men and repeating the same mistakes over and over again.

        My hope is there is a complete house cleaning. But that is just the first step, next the team need to hire baseball professionals from outside this organization.

        Ideally, Phil C will resign, Nick Krall will be fired and they are replaced with competent baseball professionals. I am not worried about replacing Bell right away. This team is dead in the water the next couple of years. He can be replaced when they have a chance to compete

        Let the new GM audit the entire system. Then six to eight months from now lay out a clear pathway back to a winning organization.

        The first step to solving a problem is to recognize you have a problem. Perhaps this slow start has made Bob see the light. If that’s the case, then it’s a good thing.

      • Luke J

        @votto4life, the players they brought in to replace the trades are short term contracts. It wasn’t as much about dumping salary as it was about dumping contracts. It doesn’t matter who you pay how much during a rebuild as long as it’s a short enough contract to be off the books when the rebuild is ready to compete.

      • Votto4life

        Luke, I totally agree it was about future obligations, but the $16 to $20 million or so they spent on Minor, Pham etc. , even for one year, could have been be put to better use.

        The Reds are 3-16, how much worse would they have been without Minor, Pham, Moran etc.?

      • Jim Walker

        @LukeJ, The Reds dumped 1 year each on Barnhart, Miley and Gray. There was no following option (for 2023) on the first two and no buyout on the club option for Gray in 2023 ($12M if exercised). However, they did avoid paying $1.55m in buyouts against 2022 options for Barnhart and Miley.

        It is hard to see how all three of these moves were not about money on the books for 2022; and actually, even 2021 since the buyouts to Barnhart and Miley, if paid, would have been against 2021 books.

        A case could be made that Suarez was about term more than money; but that is a hard sell from my viewpoint. Either the Mariners chose Winker over Naquin or the Reds wanted Winker because both are under team control thru 2023. The money in 2022 is going to be marginally to significantly more for Winker (arb case not settled yet at $5.4m/7m) than Naquin ($4.7m).

        And then there is 5 years (2022-26) of Castellanos at an AAV of a flat $20 with no exit option buyout. That would have been a steal with Votto and Moose coming off the books after 2023. That was about money too because barring injury, NC would have covered (by WAR value) the entire $100m within 3 years and could have been kept or traded the last 2.

      • TR

        Votto4life: Krall or Jocketty is a choiceless choice. To get the Reds on the right track, a complete housecleaning must be done starting with ownership.

    • Jim Walker

      Basically agree. The Reds were in panic mode before the lockout and immediately after the lockout. Then they got reactionary and signed Minor, Moran and Pham.

      If the Reds would have stopped with Barnhart and Miley, perhaps even Gray, being jettisoned, they would have cleared the money to pay Nick C to come back.

      But instead they also dumped Winker and Suarez. I suspect this move cost them any chance of getting Castellanos back from his end as NC was looking for a landing place after Miami bailed; and, the Reds may have previously been his 1st choice as an alternative.

      I have come to wonder what would have happened if Castellanos would not have declined his option with the Reds (2 years; AAV $18M). Would the Reds turned around flipped him too?

      • Votto4life

        I guess it is all how you view things. Some feel this team has enough young talent to complete in a couple of years. I honestly don’t see it.

        I mean Hunter Greene and Nick Lodolo are nice assets. Elly De La Cruz and Matt McClain look promising. But where do you look beyond that?

        I certainly don’t see enough talent to fill a whole major league roster. The Reds system seems pretty average to me. Other teams have a better major league talent and better farm systems.

        Even if the Reds loosen the purse strings (and that’s a big IF) in 2024, what free agents are going to sign here? That was why they had to overpay for Moose and give Castellanos all of the opt out options.

        I would have to think that Cincinnati is now at a all time low in terms of a preferred free agent destination.

        With guys like India and Stephenson, the Reds seem more likely to trade them then they are to extend them, if past actions are any indication.

        The Reds won’t have any contractual obligations after 2023. Good for them, I guess.

        There is no indication that is going to mean anything in terms what type of product they put on the field.

        They don’t have any long term obligations, but they also don’t have long term talent.

        I think the Reds are going to continually be three or four years from competing. We will continue to be waiting for a future that never arrives.

        Charlie Brown meet football.

    • Old-school

      Miley was injured and expensive.
      Barnhart was expensive and blocking Stephenson and a bad hitter.
      Gray was aging rapidly and expensive and lots of soft tissue injuries

      All of those made sense.

      Suarez had a long contract, it was going to take something of value to unload it and Krall rationalized it with Winker and Suarez are poor defenders, play station to station baseball and slow and expensive and not part of the new program of speed defense base running, etc.

      Castellanos was 5 years and $100 million. Not part of the small market blue print.

      Akiyama was cut too as dead money and a 1 year hit to absorb.

      Garrett needed to go.

      It was one big blood letting.

      Krall executed his marching orders. None of them realized however hitting is really really difficult and depth is really really important.

      I’m willing to put up with a crummy 2022 and a big reboot to give the GM flexibility 2023-2026 to align a winning window with some good young talent and prudent spending on 1-2 experienced SP and 1-2 veteran hitters if it meant competent baseball operations and an ownership group willing to spend $150 mil each year in payroll.
      But, its a big fail.

      • Jim Walker

        OS> don’t know if you saw what I commented above; but, I’ll take you up on this. As I said there, I really had no problem with Barnhart or Miley and could understand Gray. But they were more about dumping money than anything else.

        Beyond these 3 why blow up a team which under the new playoff system would have been a playoff team last season and supposedly start a rebuild? That’s the part that is whacked to me. They are finally on the cusp then decide oh, we can’t afford one more year (or 2) of this (with Votto and Moose off the books after 2023)?

        The money they saved on Miley, Barnhart and Gray would have paid for Winker and Suarez. Since Castellanos’ decision was a player (only) option, they should have been squared to cover him to the tune of an AAV of $18m through 2023 to begin with. That leaves $2m a year for 2 years to cover on Castellanos to get them past Votto and Moose. That $43m off the books should have left them flush to cover the back end of Castellanos, Stephenson and India coming to arbitration and the last year of Suarez .

        The money that would have paid Castellanos in2023 is paying instead paying Minor and Pham. The money that would have paid Suarez and Winker aside from change paying Moran, Drury Et Al, is being pocketed by someone else. There was never a plan just a panic sale to make sure they had the money now in their pockets.

      • Old-school

        I agree Jim.
        Make some cuts but spend $150 million knowing you have some young talent and expiring contracts after 2023. I thought everyone learned in 2015-18 young starting pitching is important but will only deliver 2 spots every few years and most fail and the bullpen needs yearly investing and spending and legitimate good hitters are hard to come by.

      • greenmtred

        Jim and Old-school, you are both making a lot sense, even as you disagree. I think that it may be true that the players that would have been here sans cleaning house might have constituted a marginal playoff team, particularly if the Reds had upped their offer to Castellanos and he had stayed. Given ownership’s unwillingness to increase the budget, though, and the ages and health status of some of those players–Gray, Miley and Winker–it would have been difficult, in my opinion, to build to a younger and better team with a legitimate shot to be a WS contender. It’s a mess now, certainly, but there is significant young talent in the organization.

  16. Mitch Cifers

    Where’s Musk when you need him?!

    • PTBNL

      Someone needs to tweet that to him. I’ll bet one of his peeps would read it and relay it to him.

  17. Ken

    Here’s the situation, in my opinion. This club has now become addicted to losing. Thats right, addicted to losing. Before they play a game, they don’t expect to win. Losing is expected and even if they have the lead in a game, they subconsciously sabotage themselves and lose the game. The fear of winning and the expectations that come with it afterwards put too much pressure on them to win again. This keeps them in a perpetual state of losing. Like an addiction, the only way for them to recover is to completely change their environment, along with wanting to change. The drug that keeps them addicted is the front office and ownership. The players are not held accountable for their mistakes and lack of talent. They are allowed to fail for multiple seasons without much done. I feel bad for the people of Cincinnati to everyday be exposed to this toxic culture. A once proud franchise has been held hostage from its fans. The addiction to losing must stop!! Castellini must sell the team and a buyer found that cares about the fans and the team.

  18. Earl

    By my quick count, the Reds are 1643-1838 since 2000 (.471 clip). 5 winning seasons since 2000.

    Outside of Tampa, has any smaller media market teams actually performed? KC caught the golden ring and won an title. Oakland have had a bit of success (although if it were not for the Giants and MLB they would probably be in a different stadium and a big dollar club).

    It’s over Cincinnatti, you are a minor league club. Sad to say, it ain’t coming back. It’s just going to be year after year of Cincy and Pittsburgh getting their brains beat in.

    Could be worse, look at what has happened to pooor Baltimore. They were another club that was the best for a couple decades before the media money dried up. Criminy they are worse now than when they were in St. Louis.

    • Rednat

      great point Earl . again a 130 loss season may start a national conversation about the legitimacy of the league. you cannot have a league where you have the same 6-7 teams that are consistently thriving while everybody else struggles. this is going on a quarter of a century now.

      there are way too many clubs that are way below the .500 mark since 2000 and it seems to be getting worse. most teams should be right around the 500 mark after 23 years

      • greenmtred

        I mostly agree, Rednat. But MLB has always been haves and have-nots. When I was a kid, it was almost a given that the Yankees would win the AL and that Washington would finish last. NL was a little better, but the Giants and Dodgers were pretty dominant.

    • LDS

      The Reds since 1890 are only 24 games over .500 (9771-9747). Bell is 192-211. By the end of the year, the Reds will likely have aggregate record under .500 after 130+ years. Sad state of affairs in Redsland.

  19. Earl Nash

    It’s no different now than when Linder or Marge owned the club. (Although Marge pretty much sat fire to the institutional remains of the BRM and that was a bit before the money really changed in baseball.)

    I remain skeptical that any new ownership can turn the Reds into a consistent winner, unless they moved them to Nashville or Austin.

    Last few years have made me pretty cynical about the whole thing.

    • JayTheRed

      Marge Schott was not a cheapskate like these owners are. When the team needed a new player to help make them better, she would allow the GM to go out and get someone. There were limitations I’m sure with her as well but nowhere near as bad as what I have seen with this current ownership group. Even with Linder at least we knew he was a cheapskate and knew the team had a low budget plan. With these guys we don’t know what direction the team is going in.

    • Matt WI

      Um, by my memory Marge was known as a notorious cheapskate. Exhibit A): Refused to fly Eric Davis home have he hurt his kidney playing for the team. Unforgivable.

      I believe she was known to limit things like office supplies and cheaped on scouts too.

  20. Earl

    She might have given Ray Knight a bunch of money, but by what I always understood she was cheap as all get and pretty much set fire to the Reds minor league instruction and scouting which had been the back bone of the franchise for a couple of decades.

  21. Earl

    Also what Marge did to Tony Perez, forget it. Reds won it all in 1990 despite her not because of her.

    Of course, money and markets don’t make you a winner – just look at the Mets and the Angels.

  22. VaRedsFan

    Time to charge up the flip phone!

  23. Reds4Life

    The biggest problem with the reds is that ownership has ran the team like a ATM machine. It’s all about profit how much can we make without spending. Greed is destroying the reds. The fans are so loyal they are always there no matter the product. I’m so HAPPY attendance has been so bad this year so far. Less money ownership gets to spend on there luxury lives instead of the team!

  24. Optimist

    A bit of history. As to the question of Cincinnati billionaires, don’t forget Louis Nippert, controlling partner for the BRM and into the 80’s. A great grandson of James Gamble.

    I still think Dick Williams is a future managing partner, but there are other locals available before worrying about an unlikely franchise move.

  25. James

    I definitely hope walt jockerty gets a really bigger role with the reds. He really knows the game of baseball and I hear that he’s great with the players and puts a good ? team on the field

  26. DHud

    If my employer was flippant about looking to uproot the company and move literally anywhere else, I’d be looking for a different opportunity as well