The Cincinnati Reds dropped their 16th game of the season in their 19th game with a 7-5 loss to the San Diego Padres. It was a misplay in the 6th inning that led to a 4-run Padres inning that ultimately doomed the Reds on Thursday afternoon.
| Final | R | H | E |
|---|---|---|---|
| San Diego Padres (13-7) | 7 | 11 | 3 |
| Cincinnati Reds (3-16) | 5 | 8 | 1 |
| W: Martinez (1-2) L: Mahle (1-3) SV: Rogers (7) |
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| Statcast | Box Score | Game Thread | |||
The Offense
After being rather quiet for the first four innings of the day, Cincinnati’s offense came through in the bottom of the 5th. Brandon Drury led off with a double and scored on a Mike Moustakas single – his second hit of the day – to tie the game up. A wild pitch then moved Moustakas over to second base. After an absolute laser by Colin Moran that was caught on a line by the second baseman, Mark Kolozsvary came through with his first big league hit – an RBI double that gave the Reds the lead.
The Reds lead didn’t last long as San Diego dropped a 4-spot on Tyler Mahle and Tony Santillan in the top of the 6th to take a 5-2 lead. Cincinnati got a 1-out walk from Joey Votto and an error put runners on 1st and 2nd, but Brandon Drury grounded into a double play to erase any threat the Reds had going and sent the game into the 7th.
A new pitcher for San Diego got some life into the Reds as Mike Moustakas walked and Matt Reynolds came on to pinch hit for Colin Moran and singled. After a line out by Mark Kolozsvary to pitcher Tim Hill, Hill tried to double up Reynolds at first but threw the ball to no one in particular and both runners moved up a base. That’s when David Bell called on Jonathan India to pinch hit for Jake Fraley and after the Padres countered with a new reliever, India looped a soft liner just over the head of the shortstop for an RBI single. Aristides Aquino pinch ran for India (and then took over in center). Tyler Naquin grounded into a force out, but beat the throw to first base to bring in another run and keep the inning alive as the Reds cut things to 6-4. That was all they’d get as Tommy Pham grounded out to end the frame.
After Joey Votto grounded out, Kyle Farmer reached for the second time on the day via an error by C.J. Abrams. Farmer then worked his way over to third base thanks to two wild pitches before scoring on a Brandon Drury grounder. That cut the Padres lead to 7-5, but it was all they’d get as the game headed to the 9th.
Needing two runs to tie and three (or more) to win, the Reds got zero as they fell to 3-16 on the season.
The Pitching
Walks will haunt, or at least that’s the saying. It turned out to be true in the 1st inning for Tyler Mahle, who walked Jake Cronenworth with one out and saw him come around to score after singles by Manny Machado and Eric Hosmer. With the Padres still threatening, Mahle got Matt Beaty to fly out to end the inning with just that one run. The next inning wasn’t much easier, but the righty worked around two 1-out singles to escape with no damage done.
Mahle cruised through the 3rd, 4th, and 5th innings, but the 6th inning didn’t go well as he allowed a leadoff double to Manny Machado and then a 1-out walk to Eric Hosmer. That led to a pitching change and Tony Santillan entering the game. He hit the first batter he faced to load the bases. A sacrifice fly followed to tie the game up. Santillan then hit the next batter to load the bases once again. Ha-Seong Kim lined a ball into left field that Tommy Pham dove for and came up empty on, with the ball then rolling to the wall and clearing the bases to put the Padres up 5-2. Jake Fraley bailed the Reds out with a diving catch in deep center to end the inning.
Hunter Strickland took over in the top of the 7th and gave up two hits and two walks – one of which walked in a run and extended San Diego’s lead to 6-2. But Strickland’s ERA did drop to 9.82 during the outing.
The 8th inning began with a double by Ha-Seong Kim off of the wall against Dauri Moreta, who followed up by striking out Trent Grisham and getting Jake Cronenworth to pop up to Kyle Farmer before being replaced by Art Warren. That brought Manny Machado to the plate and he hit a lazy fly ball into no-mans land down the right field line that fell in between a trio of Reds to make it a 7-4 game. A ground out ended the inning, but the damage was done. Buck Farmer took over in the 9th and set the Padres down 1-2-3 to give Cincinnati one last chance to try and get the job done. It didn’t happen.
Key Moment of the Game
Tommy Pham’s diving attempt on Ha-Seong Kim’s line drive that got by him and resulted in a 3-run double to put the Padres up 5-2 in the 6th inning.
Notes Worth Noting
JT Riddle clears waivers
The Cincinnati Reds announced during the game that JT Riddle cleared waivers and accepted an outright to Triple-A Louisville. He was designated for assignment earlier this week.
The bad starts are historic…..
Since 1901, teams to win 3 or fewer of their first 18 games multiple times in a 5-year span:
1962 & 1964 Mets
2002 & 2003 Tigers
2018 & 2022 Reds https://t.co/nYvTTxqBGE— Joel Luckhaupt (@jluckhaupt) April 28, 2022
The Cincinnati Reds now have one win in their last five series. Of note, that’s one win, not one series win.
Up Next for the Cincinnati Reds
Cincinnati Reds vs Colorado Rockies
Friday April 29th, 8:40pm ET
Hunter Greene (1-2, 5.27 ERA) vs Antonio Senzatela (1-1, 4.73 ERA)
Aquino 2-41 with 23 strike outs and he got an at bat today. He is still on a major league team today. Mind Boggling.
If they’re going to cut him on 5/1, why not do it now?
He’s slugging at .122, which if he had a few more ABs to qualify he would rank dead last by far in all of MLB. Votto is slugging at .145 which puts him at 172nd of 173 players in all of MLB (only KC SS Mondesi ranks lower). Aquino may be the worst hitter to EVER play for the Reds.
Yes, he may be the very worst. I can’t understand it at all. Brantley last night just kept muttering his batting average and strike outs like he was trying to comprehend how this guy is on a major league team.
I love the reds but part of me is happy when they lose now. i am kind of hoping for a 130 loss year. that would at least get a national conversation started about not only the state of the reds but the state of the games as well. if they lose 100, nobody will care. business as usual
They are incompetently owned. And they can’t catch a break on the injury front either. Lodolo looks strong in a start and immediately goes on IL along with a cast of others
I agree 100%.
This is kinda where I am too…
Perhaps if the Reds are awful enough the rest of ownership will demand a change at the “functional” top.
Even if just window dressing I think it is time for the Reds to move on from being “run” by the Castellinis. Either way, guys that rich can’t liked being mocked and a 120 loss Reds team would certainly make everyone everywhere point and laugh at Bob and Phil. And deservedly so…
I don’t like thinking it but I think the Reds minority owners are probably just as bad as the Reds majority owner. We need to totally clean house.
Same here Redsnat. This is why I didn’t want a quick decision on the CBA. The sport has major problems. I don’t know what the answers are but I don’t think it’s a good idea to wait another 5 years to address them.
As for the Reds, I hope two things happen immediately. 1) Phil Castellini resigns (mostly symbolic but still needed) and 2) Nick Krall is fired ( more practical in order to keep him from giving away Lois Castillo in a couple of months)
Let the new GM make the call on David Bell at the end of the year.
The most important thing is to make the best hire possible to replace Nick Krall.
What decent Gm wants to work for this clown show?
Same. Owners like the Castellinis should be banned from baseball.
I’m definitely not upset that the Reds, under Bob and Phil’s leadership, continue to lose in historic fashion. Most of me hopes it continues until they’re forced to sell.
Of course, this would be the year where this now a draft lottery, so even bottoming out we might be picking between 1-6 as I understand it,
I have always loved and followed closely this team.
But I’m to the point where I, also am wishing for losses.
It would do good for them to lose 130 games this season. That might be the ONLY thing in the universe that might effect changes starting at the top.
Indeed, this team needs a full scale enema!
Maybe the Reds owners are trying to prove that the economic model for the MLB is broken. If that’s the goal, Castellinis are being unbelievably successful.
#CincinnatiDreds
Ugh #CincinnatiDreads
Though, Dreds would be cool.
I agree. Some teams can just buy whoever they want, and some have to play “Moneyball” and do “Farm to Field”. The inequities are ridiculous. Too few teams even have a prayer. Not making excuses for Bob and Phil, but if 83 wins and a September meltdown is a peak we are gluttons for punishment.
Are the Reds going to keep rolling out Hunter Strickland out there over and over….apparently they didn’t learn from last year’s bullpen failures! Don’t keep putting a guy or guys out there if they cannot do the job! It’s amazing how incompetent this Reds ownership, management, and a lot of these players are!
Bell’s philosophy is to “let guys work through it.” Besides, I’m beginning to wonder if it really matters at all who we run out there.
Oh well, got my Bengals jersey ready and I’m heading down to the strip to rah rah the Bengals 1st round pick tonight. I’ll drown my Red’s sorrows in, oh, maybe about 10 cold ones.
If they stop rolling Strickland out, they have to replace him with somebody. Same problem as last year. In a season this long, you can’t not use your entire roster. If the roster stinks, too bad.
They’re using Strickland to eat innings when they’re behind on the scoreboard. We’ve seen them do this with similar veteran pitchers in the past, especially early in the season. This is nothing new.
If they are using Strickland to eat innings when losing, he may get 300 IP this year. I am really down in the dumps with this team. It almost feels like they are mathematically eliminated and it is still April.
He’s still got some life left in his arm but has to throw a lot more strikes.
Like most of our pitchers.
should the reds trade for, or claim Pedro Baez, a reliever dfa by houston?
Another thing I don’t get is why the Reds sent JT Riddle down to Triple A. The only game that they won in the last 3 weeks was a game he started on Sunday, where he went 1 for 3. Plus he showed a strong arm at 3B.
They were awarded Reynolds on MLB waivers and needed a spot for him on the active MLB roster since he had no minor league options available.
Why Riddle versus somebody else? Go figure. Reynolds and Ridder have very similar resumes. Only the Reds know why Riddle was DFA. Maybe they had information that other teams had put claims in on Reynolds too and thus did not want to turn around and DFA him?
If the Reds plan was to hope to keep control of both players, it worked. Ridder cleared waivers and accepted outright assignment to Louisville.
I give up. I record every game and watch them later as I have the time and cannot stand Sadaks constant jabbering about nothing. If I was Larkin I would tell him to quit calling me “Lark” and call him Barry, or Mr. Larkin. He’s not his best pal. Anyway, I digress, it has gotten so depressing that I dont even have a desire to watch these games, even in fast forward. I think I’ll catch up on my reruns of Seinfeld and 2 1/2 Men. OH and by the way, SELL THE TEAM BOB, FIRE THE BRAT.
I have nothing at all complimentary to say about the two “announcers” in the TV booth. About the only thing I can say is, thank God for the mute button. I don’t need those two rambling on and on. And I don’t need Larking regurgitating what I just saw on the screen, as if most of us don’t know anyway. He needs to concentrate on coaching at some level to build up toward a manager’s job somewhere, BUT NOT CINCINNATI, at least at this point in time. Yet there are people out there who are now saying “Fire Bell now, and replace him with Barry Larkin.” Now wth do you suppose that would accomplish…….NOTHING !
At least we don’t have to hear him say “sakala”after every useless geno HR.
I find it ironic that all of us, and most of Red’s country, knew this was coming. The Castellini’s and Krall seem to be the only ones that were clueless living in some strange alternate reality.
Yep, lately I admit I have complaining about bell, in the other thread especially. In reality this isn’t a surprise, and injuries they couldn’t afford to happen. Has happend
You didn’t get the memo the team is “better in a weird way”? 😉
Better prepared for best odds in the 1st draft lottery perhaps?
They won’t have to worry about accusations of sandbagging for draft position late in the season.
Has Votto reached the point in his career where books like baseball 100 will drop his last couple years of statistics with the ‘if you don’t count his last couple years when he was obviously done”?
Sell high on Farmer.
Do the Yankees still need a SS?
Farmer,Naquin.Castillo and Mahle will probably be gone by the deadline with no one decent to take over for any of them.It’s gonna be a long 2 or 3 years
It has been a long 8-9 years already
True enough
Been saying this for six months. Release him from purgatory, one, and, two, wish him well out the door to likely the best contract he’s going to get. Free Farmer!
Spent a wonderful day in downtown Savannah, GA. Moderate temp; low humidity; gentle breeze. Here through Sunday morning.
The only dark spot was when I checked on the score and saw that 4-run inning. Seems we’re playing a game of “How deep of a hole can we dig?” lately. And the results are the same, even when we add on a couple runs late in the game.
Bottom line is I didn’t miss anything and got to spend my day with my two of my three favorite ladies. That’s another win for me.
Not sure what I’ll do since I’d be without a sport until college football. This kind of stuff just takes the wind right out of me.
Did not get the lack of confidence shown to Moreta today. Why Warren to pitch to Machado instead of Dauri and if they were going to do that why not Warren for the whole inning.
I know folks on the minor league side want to see Barrero at short when he is healthy, but at this moment Farmer might be the best player on the team offensively and defensively. That being said Barrero might be AA’s replacement on the roster and in right field.
Barrero should 100% start everyday at SS. Have to play the young guys now and see what they have. Farmer is below league average hitter and fielder. He has limited range for a major league SS. Farmer is also not part of the future.
But of course with the way the Reds run things. Barrero will be platooned in the OF when he returns. And Farmer who would not be a starter on about 25 other teams will be at SS every game.
Barrero ??? Oh joy another guy that can’t hit major league pitching.You obviously have something against Farmer because most of what you posted is ignorance
I’d wait until I see what he does during rehab since he hasn’t done anything at the mlb level yet to deserve being handed a position. We have other SS who are performing; maybe a few weeks from now one of them will look a lot better option.
Krall said point blank Senzel is a CF and Barrero is a SS.
There’s nothing good about a 3-16 start or injuries. But, there’s also no reason to invoke playoff reasons in roster for decision making.
Barrero has the luxury of taking his time at AAA to get 100-125 at bats in May and early June. Senzel should start in CF 6 days a week to finally get 200 consecutive at bats.
Let Pham and Farmer and Naquin play every day to build or destroy their resume as a July asset to be traded.
you are 100% correct. He needs to play everyday.Move farmer to 3rd.
You are exactly right. This year doesn’t matter. Trade Farmer or play him at 3rd or DH, and play Berraro every day. The Reds need to know if Berraro is the future. This will help the farm system guide players like McClain and Cruz to stay at SS or move to other positions.
Farmer is one of the three best hitters we have. Admittedly, that’s pathetic. Still, can’t bench him for Barrero.
The Padres scored 9 runs, 8 runs and 7 runs, respectively in the 3 game series. The Reds can’t win giving up 24 runs in three games, not with this offense.
And Joey Votto, batting clean-up today, through 19 games, has 8 hits (only 1 2B), 0 HRs, and 3 RBI. If he doesn’t pick it up, the Reds have to do something at the 1B spot.
Totally agree.
I know he has looked “ done for “ before but this time looks different somehow.
Votto had two walks again today. I’m afraid I’m going to have to take back my prediction this past winter when I said if healthy he will lead the NL in HR. Ain’t nobody going to pitch to him. Why would they? He may very well lead the league in BB though.
Votto and Castellanos made a good 1-2 in the batting order last year. But now that Nick C. is gone, (and good for him) it seems Votto has reverted back to his old self. Who cares if he draws walks? Get in the box and swing the bat! I’ve said for years, his approach to the plate was too cerebral, with an exception being last year with Nick C.
Votto thinks his way into making outs.
Can I throw a crazy theory out there? We know that lots of conversations take place that we are never privy to and yet we try to piece together what the agenda might be based on what we read/watch/hear.
If the Reds are truly trying to rebuild again and shed payroll on the front end of said rebuild, wouldn’t it stand to reason that, at some point (maybe within the last 2 seasons), they broached the topic of a trade with Joey and his agent? So maybe I should just stop right there but this is my crazy theory: Joey is so upset with how this franchise wasted his prime years after signing the big contract (and maybe part of that was promising Votto there was a plan in place to bring hardware to Cincy but what they said and what they did were different) that when they offered to send him somewhere (like maybe Toronto), he refused just to spite them for betraying his trust.
So now, the moves they have made (or lack thereof) are really a sort of personal “war” between the two. They hoped all this offloading of players would motivate Joey to leave but he’s not going to do it and, at the same time, even the players now see this and are tanking in their performances to get back at ownership. Maybe the players know that losing a historical # of games this season will ultimately reflect most on ownership and the FO than it will on the players.
A crazy theory, I know, but it just seems like the FO would have tried to get Votto to consider waiving his no-trade and allowing them to shop him to an AL team prior to this season when the DH was still exclusive to that league.
I’m not buying the tanking theory. Votto, for one, has too much pride to intentionally tank. He’s struggling and he can’t figure it out.
April to Votto is like Mondays for everyone else
A win or loss in April counts just as much as a win or loss in September. One cannot excuse Votto his April performances. April is when this team is getting buried.
Not just Votto. Everybody in that locker room has pride, and tries their hardest. Many are trying to play for a contract, or show they belong. Not one player is grooving pitches to “get back at the owners”
He’ll figure it out…for what its worth. But it does look like he’s changed his stance yet again. While he remains upright, it seems like he’s keeping his left elbow down and close to his side. I get uncomfortable just looking at it.
That theory implies the front office had a plan. Nah, don’t think so.
I really feel for the young guys. They ended 2021 on a fairly Optimistic note, and then had the rug pulled out from under them.
I watch the games for them-as Hunter Greene asked
I think we all need to agree on several factors: 1. The front office has done a terrible job constructing this team. 2. Despite that they might not be this bad if not for a terrible rash of injuries. 3. We will never know how different this season may have gone had Castillo, Minor, Dunn, Barrero, Schrock, Solano, Sims, India, now Stephenson and others had not been injured. 4. They really need to blow this thing up and start all over and because of certain contracts that really can’t happen until 2024. 5. Last of all whether you support Bell or not you must admit he is not the man to lead the next competitive Reds team.
I agree 100% that Bell is not a major league manager….he screwed up a good team last year & only an incompetent front office would bring back a manager that has done nothing….and he keeps proving it day in and at out …..see current record
The team last year exceeded expectations, despite a historically bad bullpen for a good part of the year, injuries to key players and non-production from 3rd base. This year’s team would be terrible regardless of who was managing it. You know that you don’t agree with Bell’s decisions; you don’t know whether he’s a good manager or not.
Disagree GMR- Mike trout as player manager would make a huge difference.
He’d make a difference as a player. Because he’d increase offensive production, any manager, including Bell, would be a better manager than he was without him.
It looks to me like they have already blown things up unless the likes of India, Stephenson and maybe Senzel are not considered part of the next good Reds team.
There is not a single contractual obligation beyond 2023. The only two guys contracted for ’23 are Votto and Moose, both of whom would cost a fortune to get off the books.
I keep reading that the Reds have no obligations after 2023. I don’t mean this is a negative way to you Jim, but when I read that statement my first response is So? So what if the Reds have no contracts obligated after 2023? Does that make them a better team in 2024?
Does that mean they are going to go on a free agent spending spree? Does that mean Castellini is going to lock up Tyler Stephenson or Jonathan India to LTCs?
I think the answers to those questions are No. With the exception of 2019, the Reds have never went on a free agent spending spree.
They made an effort to lock up Joey Votto and Homer Bailey with LTCs, but I think if Bob Castellini was being truthful, he regrets both of those decisions and there is no way he is going to do it again.
So besides the fact that after 2024, the Castellinis will have more money in their pockets and the Reds will have the same payroll as the Pittsburgh Pirates, I don’t see anything changing for the fortune of this team.
Despite what has been said by the owners, when teams have no forward obligations, it typically means the team is available to a buyer who will make an offer “too good” to refuse.
Clearing the forward obligations means an incoming owner can immediately start to put their own imprint on the team without the need to sink additional money into moving contracts they don’t see fitting into their plans.
The Reds situation is moving towards critical mass. The Reds talk of the town is about how bad the team in both on the field and in the front offices. A team projected as a playoff possibility was turned into one of the worst teams in MLB. Meanwhile,he other major sports franchise in town just had a huge turnaround.
Phil Castellini didn’t cross any public red lines as Mrs Schott did, but MLB cannot be happy about them or the situation in general. And there is even more craziness that has come out Thursday evening about possible discord within the Reds off the field organization.
If the Castellini ownership is not already feeling pressure from MLB, it will be on the way soon. They are going to be coerced to change their ways or sell (at least) the managing partnership share.
Interesting
Jim’s typo in “Phil Castellini didn’t cross any pubic red lines as Mrs Schott did” is Hall-of-Fame caliber. Crossing pubic red lines is the ruin of many a poor boy.
The typo also creates a very unsavory visual.
@ED Sorry that’s what happens when a person types at 2AM or thereabouts.
Listen, Honey. Marge probably crossed lots of pubic red lines.
you don’t think they are blowing it up?
I am not the smartest guy in the world but I can add (sort of) 1 anemic offense + 1 putrid pitching = one awful team… My hope for every season is I hope the Reds can make it interesting till August it’s bad when you shut the door after the 3rd Series of the year.
Winning a series this year will be a milestone. When will this team win its first series?
What will their longest winning streak be?
Getting to one in a row seems to be a huge problem.
Don’t worry, Minor is on the way.
Don’t forget the putrid defense, Magnum.
This may be the worst Reds team ever and that’s saying something. I’ve already given up and it’s not even May.
Time to focus on the NFL draft. Let’s go Bengals.
Imagine if Greene and Lodolo both are out for a long period or have to be used as spot starters to protect their arms. There goes the plan to have a shot at a decent crowd 40% of the time to see one of those guys pitch.
I said at the beginning of the year… this team
Has zero margin for adversity.
Its only going to get worse
Could be a HUGE series in pittsburgh next weekend for worst team in baseball
This may be the worst TEAM ever.
Maybe Elon Musk is interested in being a MLB team owner?
Please no, Dennis. His ego and antics make me ill (as does Bezos). I’d rather see Mark Cuban buy the club. He’s got some ties to the region (IU grad) and he knows about owning a major sports franchise.
But I do wish somebody would pull the trigger on this. After all, the Big C’s aren’t happy with what they have, right? But where else are they going to go?
I’d take Musk over Cuban. Cuban gets way too political. I’d like to see an owner concerned with winning not virtue signaling.
Mark Cuban was born and raised in Pittsburg and a big Steelers fan. IU grad: Kelley School of Business.
I’m on board with either Musk or Cuban buying the team.
I rather musk shock mark Wahlberg who been busy buying stuff in Columbus Ohio opening more dealerships up why not invest Cincinnati reds. Ik he can’t afford like Cuban n musk but he competitor like those guys. Musk definitely has the money and speaks his mind without caring ppl feelings. Cuban good owner for Dallas but idk about baseball since I’m not sure he fan of baseball or why not magic who owners part of Dodgers look how they did that team
I think he wanted to buy the Cubs years ago.
This edition of the MLB Team formerly known as the Reds cannot afford for their SP’s to continue to walk batters which runs up their pitch count and turns over the opponent’s batting order way too much! And, the HBP incidents by the RP’s is problematic as well. Whatever happened to “pitch-to-contact”? And, by contact, I don’t mean the batter’s body!
+500
This is a team that has a legitimate void at the plate, regarding the 2-5 holes in the lineup. They are stuck with a bunch of 6-9 hitters.
I can’t watch much more of this. If Bell and Krall are not sent packing soon, I will refrain from watching. Who honestly will invest their time to watch these games from start to finish? You have to be out of your mind.
Why do the Red’s have such problems keeping healthy bodies on the field? I’m not buying bad luck anymore.
The fans are now rooting for one game winning streaks, that’s the reality of being a Reds fan in 2022.
I agree I fell asleep after mahle got pulled bc I knew game was over. Offense have fight at times but pitching choices bell done from recap no wonder why we lost. I still curious what pham n bell talking about last night game when they challenged the play
Whether you like David Bell’s managing or not it’s time for a change. That’s what happens in situations like this. The team needs a jolt. Firing the manager is the easiest way to do that.
+500
+ 1000
I disagree only because it wont change anything and also because its not happening. Bell and Moose and Votto and Farmer and pham and Naquin need to go through this lost season of 66-96 together. The July deadline and next June is when you go all in for the next Reds winning window.
Unless you hire Mike Trout as player manager…there’s nothing that happens that moves the needle the next 2 months.
The players need a jolt somehow even if it doesn’t mean more Ws this year.
I don’t accept that the Reds are as bad as their record. They aren’t as good as last year’s team, no question. But they are better than 3-16. They need to forget about launch angles, etc and go back to fundamentals baseball – put the ball in play. Lopez should not have been sent down. Votto needs to quit thinking he’s a HR hitter. It’s turning him into the second coming of Suarez. He knows how to hit. Quit overthinking it and hit the ball.
I agree Melvin and Lds. I just want the next manager to be the guy that wins in 2024+
JIm Riggleman Jr doesnt help this team.
Maybe a good time to give Larkin the interim manager label if he’ll take it. Find out what kind of manager he would be. If good then keep him next year. If not find someone else.
They need a manager with a different perspective and a different program. Bell, Zinter, Benavides, and probably DJ all need to go. Moose was .250+ prior to the Reds. He’s .210 with the Reds and .129 this year. Blame injuries? Ok. AA hit .259 in 2019, hasn’t hit .200 since. Have the pitchers figured him out or has tinkering with his stance ruined his performance? They messed with Senzel’s stance. The list goes on. Zinter was hired in the fall of 2019. The Reds haven’t hit since. He and Bell worked together with the Giants in 2018. The Reds problems are systemic, led by a very weak management team with a history of losing. KATN. Start tomorrow.
This. A hundred times this. Bell has failed to motivate his team and the hiring of Zinter alone is enough to be gone. He was completely inept with San Diego and has bottomed out the hitting on this team.
66-96? Hoo boy that is off by 20 games.
Agree with firing Krall and Boone simultaneously
It is indeed what teams do. The jolt might work temporarily, at least, on a team with good players. What does a jolt do for the Reds? Make them twitch after they strike out?
Things are in a chaotic state right now. Something has to happen. Just can’t go the rest of the season with the current attitude.
Castellinini’s really coming through on all those promises he made when he acquired the team.
The hardest thing to stomach is that watching last year’s team was fun! Great clubhouse vibe, positive; they pulled for each other – India, Stephenson, Miley, Geno, Winker…even Votto was pulled along by the young kids and their energy. With that, the winning will come. Now, not so much.
You just can’t take 3 critical batters out of the middle of your line up (Castellanos, Winker, and yes, Suarez) and not replace them and expect something good to happen. Throw in ILing India, Stephenson, and Naquin (though the last two are now back) and you really have nothing.
And our young pitchers? Hope they aren’t going to go the way of Reed, Sampson, Finnegan, Lamb, and Cingrani!!
this is a really good point. Castillo and Mahle dominated in AA but the other young pitchers fell off and it was obvious buying veterans- Gray and Bauer got this team over the hump.
Reds are going to need to pay for proven SP and proven hitting by 2024
The panic to do something about the deflated offense of Suarez and letting the offensive leader of the team go, Castellanos, has caused the Reds to go from a competitive to a non-competitive team. The Castellini family does not have the money available to bring championship baseball back to Cincinnati. A change in manager or GM will do no good until there is a change in ownership with enough financial resources to compete.
The team is in critical condition and should be put in intensive care. Even with all players in IL back, it’s unlikely they’ll make any siginificant impact as it’s not possible to replace all the lost offense. It’s also remarkable that, even knowing how inexperienced the starting rotation was going to be, they decided to trade Barnhart away, shame.
Votto ended the experiment with his hockey puck handle bat and is now back using his old bat.
Did I see Bell say the have had great pitching? The rotation has an MLB-worst 7.83 ERA.