How much more abuse are we going to take?

Has it come down to threatening us with moving the Reds to another city for daring to question failed rebuilds, bad trades and being sick and tired of mediocrity?

I don’t know about you but I was really inspired by Phil Castellini’s interview on Tuesday. When he compared Reds General Manager Nick Krall to a “bull in a china shop” and when he whined about the inequities of baseball, I was really pumped up. Where do I get a ticket?

“Be careful what you wish for.”

I have been a Cincinnati Reds fan since 1964. Like many of you, I remember the bonehead moves such as the trading of Frank Robinson and Tony Perez, the firing of Sparky Anderson and the painful time period of Dick Wagner and inept managers like Bob Boone hired by equally inept General Managers.

Making bad baseball decisions aren’t owned exclusively by the Reds. Most baseball teams do that, from time to time. It happens. The Red Sox sold Babe Ruth. The Cubs traded Lou Brock.

Houston traded Joe Morgan. The A’s lost Catfish Hunter. The Reds signed free agent Eric Milton.

But after I saw (and heard) Castellini’s remarks on a legitimate question asked by Mo Egger about Red fans losing faith in Reds Ownership, I was upset, to put it mildly.

“Where are they going to go?”

It was ironic to see the Reds go into panic mode after this disaster of an interview, trying desperately to diffuse Castellini’s threats to the fan base. Phil even tried to utter an apology, which someone in the front office probably wrote for him.

Not accepted, Phil. Go back to your office and polish a trophy for winning the NL Central in 2010. That’s about your speed.

The Reds didn’t win a post season game in 2010. They blew a 2-0 lead against the Giants in 2012. Did they score in a run in the playoff loss to the Braves two years ago?

And we, as a fan base, are supposed to be inspired by the track record of the last two decades? Really? We’re just supposed to shut up, ask milque toast questions and smile as we fail year after year?

You want to have this debate?

If there were justice, Phil Castellini would be ordered to be at the Reds main gate entrance for the next home game and apologize to each and every Red fan that walks through.

Paul Daugherty, a sportswriter for the Enquirer I respect and like, has called for a truce between Reds ownership and fans of the Reds. You’re wrong, Doc.

Not after Phil Castellini’s rant. Not after his insults. Not after his degrading of the very fans that love the Cincinnati Reds.

You want to apologize to me personally, Phil? You want to debate? You want to ask me where I’ll go?

Get a hold of Doug. He has my email. I’d be glad to talk to you.

81 Responses

  1. Scott C

    I am with you John. The ownership now isa pathetic of the time the Brown family hired the Shula kid to be their head coach. How long did that take to get over. I am sick of excuses. Put a major league line up on the field. Right now we have an old, overweigh out of shape third baseman, a #3 hitter who is 0 for 2022. Last night our leadoff hitter is hitting .136 and number 5 hitter is hitting an even 100. I won’t be going to any Reds games anytime soon.

    • jmb

      Amen, brother! This team is absolutely anemic! Of course, batting averages are down for lots of players, after the short spring season. But the team just isn’t playing fundamentally sound baseball, either! And, yes, the batting lineup is a mystery thus far.

      • Dk072257

        Poor excuse of a team that’s for sure. Yeah they have a couple kids playing above their level but thats cuz ownership decided to give away all the pro’s.

  2. Oldtimer

    I grew up in the Gabe Paul era (1950s), Bill DeWitt ownership (1960s), and Bob Howsam in his GM tenure (1967 to 1977 and 1983 to 1984).

    The Reds were mediocre in 1950s in terms of W-L record but Paul added players like Frank Robinson, Vada Pinson, and a lot of Cuban born players who would become stars in 1960s. Paul made bad trades for Frank Thomas of the Pirates and Cal McLish of Cleveland, trading Reds All-Stars for each. He declined a Phillies offer of HOF P Robin Roberts for Gus Bell in 1957. Overall, he made the Reds better. 1956 was the high point for him.

    DeWitt made a really bad trade (worst ever) by sending Robinson to the Orioles but built a strong minor league system and drafted players like Johnny Bench and Gary Nolan. Their W-L records improved under his leadership and brought the first NL pennant (1961) to the Reds in 21 years. Overall, he made the Reds a lot better.

    Howsam succeeded him in 1967 and put the Big Red Machine together. Lots of it (BRM) was already in place but he added Joe Morgan, Jack Billingham, Cesar Geronimo, Clay Carroll, Pedro Borbon, George Foster, Dan Driessen, among others. He traded for Tom Seaver but traded away Tony Perez.

    In his second go round, he signed the best Reds FA ever (Dave Parker) and brought Pete Rose and Tony Perez back to the Reds. He made the Reds A WHOLE LOT BETTER in the 1970s.

    The Reds of the 1990s were their best teams since the BRM. They included WS champions in 1990 and strong teams in 1994, 1995, and 1999.

    The current Reds ownership and leadership are their worst combination since the 1950s. Time for a change.

    • Rob

      The McLish trade didn’t turn out too badly. The Reds also got Gordy Coleman in that deal with Cleveland. McLish was later traded to the White Sox in the deal that brought Gene Freese to Cincinnati. Coleman (1B) and Freese (3B) were major contributors to the Reds’ 1961 NL pennant winners.

      • Oldtimer

        McLish was supposed to be the ace SP in 1960. He was 4-14. Johnny Temple was multi year All-Star.

        Coleman was good for two years. Pizarro was a bigger part of the Freese trade than McLish.

      • Rob

        I saw one of those 14 losses — 5-2 to the Giants in June 1960 (the first Reds game I ever attended). You’re right, McLish was a bust and Temple could still play, but my point was that the Reds at least got some positives from the trade.

        Coleman had two good years (’61-’62), but Temple was headed downhill after ’61. Pizarro was unproven when he was dealt with McLish for Freese. It was after Pizarro got to Chicago that he finally blossomed.

    • jmb

      Actually, I’d say the Reds since they traded away Cueto are the worst the team’s been since the 1930s–if you look at their yearly record. As far as the grand old 70s is concerned, let’s play a little amateur GM: Driessen, McCrae, and Carbo to the Phillies for Dick Allen. Hindsight is always 20-20, of course. But if the Reds had Dick Allen for 5 seasons, from 1970-4, there’s no telling how many times they’d have gone to the series and won it.

  3. Mark Moore

    Phil at the gate apologizing wouldn’t take very long given the likely attendance right now. But the idea of it makes me smile, so +500 for the thought.

    • Dan

      The Castellini ownership is a joke. Cincinnati fan base has been loyal. I am 70 years old and have been a loyal Reds fan for 63 of those years , but enough is enough. Sell the club and let the new owners put a major league product on the field .

  4. Andy

    The honest answer from Phil and Reds, that we’ll never hear:

    Dick Williams sold us on a vision to win like the Cardinals. Assign a payroll in middle-tier, about $150M. This club needed a booster with sagging success and declining attendance, and we have real competition now from FC Cincinnati in summer ticket sales. We tried it. Dick knew the plan would need to lead to success on field and increased attendance to support the payroll. So we spent… Bauer, Moose, Nick C, Miley, Shogo, Sonny. We also invested in pitching development, thinking that free agent pitchers get hurt too much. Pay for the starting 8, develop the pitching. There was reasonable on field success. Playoff berth, Bauer won a Cy Young, Nick C was everything we hoped, Miley threw a no-hitter and gave us a good year. Less success with Shogo and Moose, but as a whole, pretty good. But Covid happened. The hope that wins would lead to increased ticket sales failed in the most spectacular way possible. The books looked awful, all the investors lost money, and we knew we had to reign in the spending. Dick was not on board, so we parted ways, and Bodde left too. We started with low-hanging fruit, spinning off some bullpen pieces, hoping we could promote from within, but it didn’t work. 2021 was a disappointment.

    We now have decided to pivot from the Cardinal Way to the Rays Way. We will develop players, perhaps sign the best of them to 7-8 year deals while still making rookie pay, and trade them with 2 years of control remaining. We still want to win but are no longer willing to take the financial risk of spending in the top half of league. The Rays do it, why not us? (Don’t look at the Pirates.)

    For those looking at Bengals success, I ask you to look at the TV deals. The NFL shares everything, MLB does not. The Reds got hosed in the last CBA. We will not have a payroll within 50% of luxury cap in current system. The NFL’s model is what the Reds prefer but the other owners and the MLBPA do not agree.

    Try to enjoy India and Greene the next 4 years! We promise we will get great prospects when we trade them later.

    • LDS

      Nice but the Reds aren’t adopting the Rays way. They are simply cheap and funneling money to the ownership group while rewarding yes men and those connected to someone, e.g., the Castellinis, the Bells, et. al. Why guys like Zinter hang on is perplexing since the Reds haven’t hit a lick in ages. And DJ? Sounds good on paper but have the results been there? Just hope the Reds exceed their 2018 performance and somehow eventually surpass the Pirates. That sadly, seems like the best we can hope for.

      • Mark Moore

        Exactly. The Rays actually compete in a pretty tough division. We’re in a moderately weaker division and can’t get out of our own way.

      • DaveCT

        Mark Moore, plus 500. In fact an understatement. The Rays compete vs the Red Sox, Jays and the Yankees!! And yes the Reds of the AL East, the hapless Orioles.

      • DaveCT

        LDS, exactly. No known model at all. Unless it’s the Mr Myogi Mode: Wax on, wax off. Wax on, wax off.

      • Andy

        Putting on my Phil hat to answer…

        The recent deals.. trading Sonny and Jessie for high-upside prospects… is the Rays way. I can’t promise it will succeed the way the Rays have, but it is our intent.

        What the Rays have done that we did not start yet, is aggressively extending young stars years before they are ARB eligible. We plan to open discussions with Greene, Lodolo, India, and Stephenson now. The way the Rays handled Chris Archer is now our guiding principle. Extend at reasonable price, trade with 2 years of team control remaining. Without the extension, this doesn’t work… you’re trading away peak years. The extra 2-3 years of control make a big difference.

        We have not been pocketing ALL the profits. Yes, we have paid our investors most non-Covid years, but we made a real attempt to turn revenue into player payroll the past couple years. It did not work as we hoped. We plan to retreat from mid-tier free agent market (we were never in the top tier) and will invest future money in extensions of “home grown “ talent.

        Phil hat off… if those extensions never happen, then I’m way wrong. But I would be surprised if the Reds did not try to model the Rays success.

      • LDS

        @Andy, those extensions are highly, highly unlikely. But your optimism is hopeful if not a bit credulous.

    • Hanawi

      If they actually went toward a youth movement, then great. Bring up Friedl and Lopez and let them get some at-bats. I would much rather see that then Moran and Pham out there. Minor seems to be done, so not sure why they would even bother there.

      I might be in the minority on this, but I also think they should trade Castillo AND Mahle this year. Castillo is great at times, but I’m not sure he’s ever going to be a consistent ace. Of the two, I would keep him though. Mahle is just not good enough at GABP. I’d be advertising his road splits to every team in baseball as a Cy Young candidate and try to get a big haul for him.

      • MBS

        End of 22 season.

        UFA Solano
        UFA Naquin
        UFA Wilson
        UFA Strickland
        UFA Moran
        UFA Drury
        UFA B. Farmer
        FA Minor w club option

        So next offseason, a bunch comes off the roster / books. The following offseason we have the big contracts coming off the books. Hopefully they will release Moustakas, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets packaged with Mahle in a trade by this trade deadline. That’s a lot of money for Bob to eat. I also wouldn’t be surprised if Castillo is traded, which could have it’s upsides, as it should bring in a nice return. No matter what a lot of bloat is coming off the books soon, and they youth will be taking over.

        End of 23 Season
        FA Votto w club option
        FA Moustakas w club option
        UFA Pham
        UFA Castillo
        UFA Mahle
        UFA Cessa

      • DaveCT

        MBS, yes, a lot coming off the roster. Dead wood or not. Yet, for position players, only supporting cast member types are close enough in the minors to be here in 22. I’d argue that McClain will be more like India than Trea Turner, for example. Good solid major leaguer, but not the elite talent to complete with LA and Atlanta. The next wave of guys with chances of being elite at at Hi-A, at most. Seems like we have another year, at least, of the same.

      • MBS

        The 22 season is the artificial extension of a dead era, the front office went out and got some players to put this team on life support, until the JV era ends at the end of 23. I’m hoping it’s the beginning of the De La Cruz era, but only time will tell.

      • Greenfield Red

        Agree, but De La Cruz has to cut down the strike outs.

      • DaveCT

        Haha, I forgot it was 2022! Next year will be the extension of the haplessness of this year, 24 is when higher level talent arrives.

    • John

      Well written piece. I basically agree with everything you said. I will add that our approach depends on the fans showing up. Last year we had a good exciting team and the stadium stayed nearly empty. Show up and support your team even if they are not making the best of decisions these days under Krall.

    • Daytonnati

      I would love to agree with you Andy, but Cueto, Bruce, Chapman, Homer, Frazier, Mesoraco, and Suarez, brought us …??

      • Andy

        They brought us not much. Those moves were too late to maximize trade value, but I think trying earlier would have made people madder than they are now. The Reds were a legit World Series contender in 2012 but never got over the hump. They tried to win with that group the next couple years and failed. They were solid in 2013 but wheels fell off 2014. In hindsight they should have traded the core after 2014 season, but fans were looking for a reload to get back to the 2012 high, not a sell off. It was not until the disastrous 2015 (69-93) that everyone knew it was time.

        That is not what happened here. The 2020 Reds were lucky to sneak into playoffs in the short year, but they had the pitching to win it all. Game 1 vs ATL in a 3 game series went to 13 innings. But COVID ruined payroll, and Reds were ready to sell off earlier. Gray and Winker had 2 years of control left, which is probably the best time to trade. It is unfortunate that they used a good chunk of Winker’s value to unload Suarez’ contract, which wasn’t really that bad.

    • BigRedMike

      On the Atlantic Baseball podcast they mentioned that those receiving revenue sharing needed to spend at least 150% of the amount received on payroll. $60 million in revenue sharing means at least $90 million in payroll. MLBPA would file grievance , which I believe they have in the past. Might explain some of the late moves for Pham and Minor after the lockout

      Just stick with one plan. That is what the Rays do.

      I would not consider what the Reds did in the offseason as tanking. Winker is the only player that would be considered a questionable move in todays game. Moving Suarez and Gray for younger players with potential is not a bad thing. Gray is good, but, not necessarily for the future. Suarez is nothing special at this point. Castellanos was not signing with the Reds.

      If signing players like Pham and Moustakas means the Reds are not tanking, then it would be better to tank. There is just little value and return for players like that and lineup and roster decisions are based on those contracts.

      Make smart signings and trades, then make the veteran addition that compliments.

      The Reds have a chance with a good core, just develop and don’t sign veteran average players to block younger players.

      • Andy

        The Pham and Minor deals look really bad right now.

        I don’t think Pham is really blocking anyone… it does not hurt the future if Naquin and Aquino get fewer starts… but that cash could be better spent in extensions. It’s probably too late for Mahle or Castillo, but not for India, Stephenson, or Greene.

        I may be irritated if Lodolo gets sent down for Minor later, even if he’s struggling. Probably better for him to get experience, take lumps in a year where there is no chance of postseason anyway. I would love to get an honest answer from Krall about how he managed to cut Miley then trade for Minor. It looks like very bad decision making right now. As both Miley and Minor are both on DL, hard to say if it will matter in the end.

    • Chris Wheeler

      Yet, that whole thing could have worked had the Reds went out and got a couple elite relievers. The relievers the Reds management knew they needed for over a year. Just inept.

  5. DaveCT

    Phil disparaged the fans. He taunted them. He ridiculed them. Like Marie Antoinette, Phil would like us to eat cake.

    Phil must resign. He has no validity. He has blown it forever. All he has is authority, given to him still because he shares the same last name as Bob.

    We know this. Stubborn old Bob won’t get bullied by the fans or press. Instead, he’ll just take another victory laps in a golf cart around the stadium on his wedding anniversary. You see, in Castellani world, serve him, not the other way around.

    If ownership also feels we should eat cake, and the rot is deeper than anyone would like to assume, Phil won’t go anywhere. But go he should.

    Resign Phil.

  6. Melvin

    Good article. I understand. You did leave out the part though that when the Reds lost the 2-0 lead in 2012 they lost it because they couldn’t win one of three games in a row at home. smh 🙂

  7. RedsFan11

    Does anyone know whom makes up the remaining 80% or what not of the ownership group? Is like 20 other people? Can they theoretically force the Castellinis out or buy them out if they can come up with the 20% ?

    • KDAVIS

      Last week (April 6th) the Enquirer had a list of the total ownership group of the Reds.
      if you google “who owns the Cincinnati Reds” the Enquirer article should appear in the search results

    • Jim Walker

      Yes but….. Read on. Sorry, it is a bit long and based on the memory of past events and reporting without linked sources.

      Castellini owns what is known as the “super share”, managing partner share or principal owner share depending on the exact terminology. It is believed the Castellini stake of total equity is actually in the 12-15% range, however.

      The process by which the authority of the managing partner share can be overruled or revoked are, to the best of my knowledge, not in the public filings of the Reds LLC, a privately held company.

      Some history which may or may not be insightful>> When the Castellini group bought out the Carl Linder’s ownership, various public sources put the % of equity voting shares in favor required to oust the managing partner (Linder) at 67% with Linder’s control in the 67-70% range. The Castellini syndicate announced it was in control of all voting shares not under the direct control of Carl Linder and that negotiations were being sought to gain transfer of the managing partner authority to the Castellini syndicate. This happened in short order with Linder retaining a minor stake.

      At the time Castellini control was announced, the Williams brothers (yes, Dick’s dad and uncle) were identified along with Castellini as “principal owners”; and the brothers held the positions of Chairman of the Board and Treasure with Castellini as CEO. Some sources estimated the total Williams’ holdings to be about twice the Castellini %. This seemed to infer that the combined stakes of Castellini and Williams assured control of the new organization they began selling minority stakes to the folks listed in Enquirer recently.

      So, presumably if someone can come up with control of the % of voting equity shares (a public unknown to the best of my knowledge), they could force a change in the managing partner arrangement.

      • Jim Walker

        Oops. Always happens when a person writes from memory off the top of their head.

        Above in addressing the Linder ownership, I should have written, that with 67% required to oust a managing partner, he owned (at least) 34-35% of the team including the managing partner share.

        A bit more history, Lewis Nippert took control of the team in the 1970’s. Nippert sold the managing partner share to a previous set of Williams brothers (Dick’s Grandfather and a Greatuncle I believe) but maintained a major minority stake which remained in his family’s control until purchased by Castellini.

        The “original” Williams brother sold the managing partner share to Mrs. Schott and Carl Linder ended up with it when Mrs. Schott was defrocked by MLB in the late 1990s.

        What’s probably most notable about all these transfers of the managing partner share is that the succeeding managing partner was already a minority owner when they took control of the managing partner share.

        Castellini while prior to taking over the Reds was himself not a minority Reds owner but was a minority stakeholder in the Cardinals of all teams. What comes around goes around or whatever.

      • RedsFan11

        Thanks for the info Jim! Doubt it will ever happen but interesting none the less

      • Oldtimer

        Francis Dale owned Reds from 1967 to 1972. Louis Nippert from 1973 on.

      • Jim Walker

        @Oldtimer>> Thanks for adding in the dates for the transfer of control from Francis Dale to Nippert. I couldn’t recall them off hand. And of course, that transfer started the string of transfers of the managing partner authority among minority owners which ended when the Castellini syndicate took control in 2006.

        As I recall, Dale had put together the so called civic syndicate which wrested control of the team from Bill DeWitt. Dale became involved in “real politics” as an operative for Richard Nixon and control of the team was passed to Nippert who was apparently the largest equity owner in the civic group (some would say Dale’s “money man”) while Dale was the active managing partner.

    • Andy

      The other thing I’m not sure about… While Castellinis clearly have control over who Reds draft and sign, and hire for manager or GM positions… do they have full control over payroll? Is there a board that approves an annual budget? I’m wondering if the 80% are part of issue, forcing the team to reduce payroll.

      • Jim Walker

        We don’t really know what the operating rules and protocols are for private LLC legal entity which owns and runs the Reds.

        Can the managing partner independently put in more money (on their own or by creating and selling more shares) or borrowing money???

        If the managing partner sells more shares or puts in more of their own money independently, does that shrink the equity value of the other partners?

        If the managing partner would seek to sell the managing partner share, would other minority owners have a right of first refusal? Or if the managing partner decided to sell, would perhaps the rest of the ownership be bound to also sell their stakes to the same buyer(s) on terms negotiated by the managing partner?

        Yeah, it would be informing to know these kind if things.

  8. Votto4life

    What astonishes me is there are still people in this forum who apparently loves the guy.

    Phil C. spits in the face of Reds fans everywhere and their response is to blame the rest of us for not being loyal fans. I suppose they expect us to be like them and bow down and praise Dear Leader.

    • DaveCT

      Astonishing it is. And it’s even worse — on the Home Openjng, after a successful series on the road vs the Braves, and riding another wave of enthusiasm following Hunter Greene’s debut. Snagging defeat from the jaws of victory is another way to define ineptitude. Phil has violated the trust of the fans (by saying the quiet part out loud). He’ll never regain it. Never. He must resign.

    • Andy

      If you’re speaking of me, I don’t care for him. His recent comments were in very bad taste. The Reds should have anticipated those questions and had a better response prepared.

      I also think their recent pivot from mid-spender to budget team will have terrible short-term effects.

      I do, however, think the existing revenue sharing would prevent any owner from being competitive for free agents in Cincinnati market. Not from winning… Rays have shown the blueprint for that… but from paying free agents.

      • Votto4life

        Andy – no it wasn’t about you. I also agree the game is broken and is in danger of becoming a regional sport, limited to large costal markets with one or two exceptions.

      • vegastypo

        The “Rays way” assumes having somebody smart enough in place to run the show. Exactly who would that be with the Reds? Nick Krall, who probably can’t go to the bathroom without asking for ownership’s permission???

        Get somebody in there who can actually make baseball decisions, and get everybody else the heck out of the way.

      • BigRedMike

        The Rays way is a challenging one for the majority of the other teams. The Rays have set the example for the fans and it is understood. They did extend Franco. Most fanbases, see the Reds fans, would not accept offseasons like the Rays normally have. The Rays would never consider re signing a player like Castellanos. It may not always work, but, they have better results than teams like Yankees, Mets, Phillies, etc.

        The Reds have been all over the place in regards to a “plan”. It takes discipline and the ability to make tough decisions.

    • BK

      I guess I’ve missed the Phil C. lovers on this site that you are referring to. Do we really need more visceral comments here? I would like to see the Reds under new management. This doesn’t necessarily require new ownership. What I refuse to do is let inept management lead me to bitterness, a poison that attacks only its owner (it does affect the Red’s Owners). I see no value in coming here every day to complain. The Reds are still my favorite team and I don’t see that changing.

      • DaveCT

        Well, the article is about Phil …. but point taken.

      • Votto4life

        There is an implication by some that those who complain are not true fans. I lived through the Big Red Machine era. I can assure you there fans were critical at times then as well. This is a baseball discussion forum. People have different opinions. Just because their opinions differ from mine does not mean they are any less of a fan.

      • PTBNL

        I agree Votto4Life, anyone should come on here, praise, complain, observe, open forum, free-speech. It is all good. When some on this site come and say that they are pulling the full Benedict Arnold on here and profess their new love affair with either the Cardinals or the Dodgers, well, that’s where we gotta draw the line in the sand.

        Am I wrong in this?

      • VaRedsFan

        PTNLB….I’m with you bro. Either you a Reds fan or you aren’t. I’m not rooting for a team because of the management.
        I don’t like the front office at all, but I’m still going to root for the players on the field.
        I’m dang sure not going to ever root for the Dodgers, or Cardinals.

        Dudes here probably used to like the Celtics…switched to the Lakers….went to the Bulls next, and probably like the Bucks now.

      • realist

        PTNBL you are part of the problem by still supporting the team, boycott them and then they will change. By supporting them you enable the Castellini’s, go Dodgers!

      • PTBNL

        realist, go join the Dodgers blog. I’m sure you will fit right in.

      • Randy in Chatt

        And realtits, yet you are still on this REDS blog.

      • realist

        It is funny watching people like you PTBNL because you just don’t have anywhere else to go,, i think the term is useful idiots.

      • PTBNL

        So you are now insulting EVERY Red fan on this site and abroad because we choose to support, follow and root for the Reds. And I am the insulting one???

        Oh, and by the way the name is PTBNL (as in Player To Be Named Later) and not PTNLB.

  9. Greenfield Red

    There is a easy one word answer to Phil’s question: Where are we going to go? AWAY.

    • vegastypo

      Amen to that. I live in Southern California, and I was unsure whether I’d be able to make it to LA or San Diego to see the Reds. I’m sure now. No thanks.

  10. JayTheRed

    Put up more billboards Sell the Team Bob!
    Put up new billboards Apology Not Accepted Phil

    This team has now become the joke of the National League. Yes, even worse than the Pirates.

    I have decided I’m not spending another dime on Red’s merchandise, and I refuse to go to any games that involve the Reds until there is a new owner for this team. Or at the least someone else takes over controlling ownership.

    Phil’s apology was pathetic. It has zero heart to it. Honestly, it’s a lie. He doesn’t care one bit. I’ll check the scores and standings from time to time, but I’m done for now unless some miracle happens, and they come out and explain their plan clearly or they start playing the young players. I’ll continue to stop by here to read the good writing still, but that’s about it for me.

    I’m going to watch Blue Jay games again. I used to watch both teams and in ’19 when the Reds started trying to win, I focused on watching the Reds. Hopefully I won’t have to wait too long for this team’s direction to change.

    • vegastypo

      Agree here as well. If ONE billboard stirred up this much discontent from ownership, I wonder what would happen when another one (or two) shows up, and this remains in the news.

      And I don’t think for one minute that Phil is the least bit sorry. I suspect the organization submitted that lame apology to try to tame the uproar. Phil had multiple chances to apologize directly in interviews, and gee, did YOU hear an apology then? Me neither.

    • Ken

      Woo Hoo! Great post. The great people in a great city deserve a chance to contend. Castellini’s role in the decline is obvious.

      The MLB operating on behalf of its wealthiest teams at the expense of a proud franchise like the Cincinnati Reds is reprehensible. The Reds continue to be fodder for the elite clubs, and it works out so nicely for MLB. The teams with the huge international fan bases dominate postseason play, they boost the TV ratings, the value of broadcasting games rises and ad revenue increases. The revenue is channeled to all the owners. Some wholeheartedly invest it for the betterment of their teams, cities and fans; others use it for their personal use. MLB wants the rich teams to win. The owners of some small-market teams think only of themselves.

  11. kevinz

    Agree not accepted at all.
    But I will still be the fool watching.
    Hoping the youth wins out and do well.
    Seems like should follow the SF plan.
    Yes they are a bigger market.
    But excel with couple core players from the farm.
    Along with a bunch of role players and cast offs from other teams.
    Similar to Farmer and TN.
    Key is consistent Pitching though.

  12. LWBlogger

    My feelings are certainly reflected in this post John. I’d already soured on the team with the off-season moves of the past 2 seasons. I have always been pretty positive as a fan, careful not to be overly critical of the front-office and ownership. Over the last couple years I also started to realize that baseball and the Reds were no longer bringing me the enjoyment they had before. It was more The Reds than the game itself however, as I had a better time watching games where I didn’t have much of a rooting interest. This season I’d already determined I’d take a big step back from following the Reds but Phil C’s comments have driven me to not only step back but be apathetic. I’m not mad. I don’t care. I think it’s better for me but probably worse for the team.

  13. Gonzo Reds

    Congratulations we’ve reached the bottom. 2-6 worst record in the majors. Cards way no, Rays way no, Pirates way yes…

  14. Luke J

    No India or Senzel again today. But at least Pham is hitting 3rd again, so everything is right with the world. ?)

    • vegastypo

      I wonder how many decent players the Reds could afford by eliminating Phil’s salary.

  15. Brad

    The only way that I would consider accepting his apology if it was followed with the words “and submit my resignation from the Reds organization”. Then I would be happy.

    • Mark Moore


      And I’d be “happier” at that point. True happiness comes with consistent winning.

  16. Mark A Verticchio

    Another fine line up tonight, how bad can things get? Hunter Green needs to pitch very well for the team to have any chance at all.

    • Mark Moore

      He needs to pitch lights out and we need to catch more than a couple of breaks.

  17. William

    Go Hunter Greene! He reminds me of a young Bob Gibson. I remember my dad taking me to a Reds ballgame in the early 70’s. I saw Don Gullett pitch against Bob Gibson. I was a lucky kid. I got to grow up watching the Big Red machine play. I think the Reds have a special pitcher in Hunter Greene. He might get hit hard by the Dodgers, but he is a future star in this game. Enjoy seeing him pitch.

  18. MBS

    The Mets unveiled a Tom Seaver stature yesterday. My Dad thought me his delivery when I started pitching. Sadly I retired my playing career at age 13, what could have been. LOL

    • MK

      MBS the drop and drive Seaver style of pitching has really become a dinosaur concept as it takes a very special Seaveresque body build to perfect it. Todays coaches teach a long and strong style which has pitchers standing tall with a long stride and not dropping down hitting the back knee on the ground.

  19. Hanawi

    So Senzel is on the Covid list without testing positive and they recalled Duarte. With India still hurting, they have a very, very short bench.

    • LDS

      The Reds’ porcelain doll is broken once again. Instead of DFA’ing AA, maybe it’s time to find someone that’ll take a chance on Senzel.

    • Maloney63

      Yeah, Garcia and Moran is the entire bench tonight!

  20. Jeff Morris

    Great Post, John. You hit the nail on the head, and took the words right out of my mouth! I really wish B and P Cast….Owner and his Son need to really read this post!