The Cincinnati Reds (78-73) season was already on life support and they were down 5-0 last night. The Reds fought back with nine unanswered runs against the Pittsburgh Pirates (56-94) for 9-5 win to stay within 3.0 games of the Cardinals and give themselves a punchers chance over the last 11 games. The Reds and Pirates are scheduled to meet again tonight at 6:40 PM, although there is a big threat of rain this evening (the radar starts looking particularly bad around 10:00 PM).

The Reds are virtually in must-win mode the rest of the season and all eyes will be in Milwaukee to see if the Brewers can finally slow the Cardinals down. The evil St. Louis ballclub has won 9 straight games, for the first time since 2004, at the absolute worst time of the season if you are a Reds fan. What goes up must come down, right?

Starting Pitchers

Tyler Mahle‘s home/road splits have been well documented. He has a 1.89 ERA on the road, but a 6.05 ERA at GABP. The good news as Mahle takes the ball at GABP tonight is that in his only start against the Pirates at GABP this season, he dominated them: (8/8): 7.0 IP, 6 H, 2 R, 0 BB, 10 K.

Mahle overall is having a sensational season. Among NL SP he ranks 15th in fWAR (3.3) and 16th in ERA (3.59). I refuse to believe that he is destined to only be a successful road pitcher. In 2020, he had a 3.03 ERA in 32.2 IP at GABP. One positive sign this year at GABP is that his xFIP at home is 3.65. Mahle certainly needs to learn to pitch better at GABP, but I believe that he will also be better going forward just in general as some of his struggles are bad luck and strange split variance. If he does figure it out, he will be an All-Star caliber starting pitcher.

Mitch Keller is not a good pitcher (at least right now in his career). Out of all the pitchers in baseball with 80+ IP, his 6.14 ERA is the 7th worst (only 2 are still active). He has a 7.86 career ERA in 6 starts against the Reds (9.75 ERA in 3 starts at GABP). Hopefully the Reds offense really got going last night and can keep the party going.

Starting Lineup

1. Ke’Bryan Hayes (3B)
2. Cole Tucker (SS)
3. Bryan Reynolds (CF)
4. Colin Moran (1B)
5. Ben Gamel (RF)
6. Anthony Alford (LF)
7. Michael Perez (C)
8. Hoy Jun Park (2B)
9. Mitch Keller (P)
1. Jonathan India (2B)
2. Max Schrock (LF)
3. Nick Castellanos (RF)
4. Joey Votto (1B)
5. Kyle Farmer (SS)
6. Eugenio Suarez (3B)
7. Tucker Barnhart (C)
8. TJ Friedl (CF)
9. Tyler Mahle (P)

Eugenio Suarez makes his first start since August 8th against a RHP. Suarez has been tearing it up in September, and let’s just say Moustakas has not (as you see below). Despite not making a start vs a RHP since he became a platoon player essentially on August 9th, he has more PA vs RHP and better numbers:

Since August 9th:

Suarez vs RHP: 44 PA, 3 HR, .352 wOBA, .344 xwOBA
Suarez vs LHP: 42 PA, 2 HR, .308 wOBA, .278 xwOBA

Reds September leaders

TJ Friedl also make his first career start. This is the first time the Reds have faced a RH SP since he homered off the bench on Sunday. You have to think if Friedl does well at all, he will start the rest of the games in CF vs RHP this season.

News and Notes


Two weeks ago today the Cardinals were projected to finish the season under .500. They have won 9 straight games and feel unstoppable right now – but there was a reason they had that projection just two weeks ago. It’s completely possible they get really cold, really quick.

The Cardinals best 22 game stretch this season (they’ve currently won 9 straight + 13 games left) prior to this one was 15-7. It’s not crazy to think they will start losing and have some struggles down the stretch. That of course doesn’t matter if the Reds don’t keep winning the majority of their remaining games. Hopefully the last two games (Reds scored 5 runs on really good Dodgers pitching on Sunday) has got the offense rolling and they can really beat up on some bad pitching. Go Reds!

235 Responses

  1. Grand Salami

    I was so frustrated by the 3rd inning of last night. This team proved me wrong and like the St Louis series last year, hopefully last night was a turning point on the close to the season.

    If they finish strong (85-87 wins) and play good baseball and still miss the playoffs – I will speak glowingly of this season!

  2. Beaufort Red

    The Cards with 9 games against the Cubs ( I think). I think considering their season the Cubs would love to knock the Cards out of the playoffs. Rivalry and hatred are strong motivators.

    • Jim Walker

      Not to mention when teams play so often in a compressed period of time, it gets downright personal for many guys, especially on the team everyone else is writing off.

  3. LDS

    Dotson’s article in Cin Nag is worth reading

    • Jim Walker


      But I fear in Cincinnati basically not of much consequence. Look how long the family at the other stadium down river has run the same sort of operation and never cashed out.

  4. docproc

    This is the second time in a few days that I don’t have a quibble with Bell’s lineup.
    Glad to see Suarez, Schrock, and Friedl all in the lineup.

  5. Gpod

    I just hope he rides Suarez the rest of the year & see what happens….he has not had a very good year but I think the team was playing better with him in the lineup everyday instead of this platoon with Moustakas (who has provided basically nothing this year). Plus Geno has actually had a good month of September

  6. Old-school

    Hopefully they get the game in.
    No reason Reds dont win this game and get to 79 Wins. Tomorrow’s game will be rained out so can then set up pitching for final 10 games.

    I would skip Gutierrez next start assuming tomorrow is cancelled. Keep Suarez at 3rd and let your top 4 SP and india/votto/nc/geno/farmer and the catching tandem take you to finish line and see what happens

    • Broseph

      I’d concur 100% but Reds don’t write my paycheck. We shall see

  7. RedsMonk65

    I think they’ll get tonight’s game in. Tomorrow afternoon’s, though, could be another story ….

  8. Bet on Red

    I am admittedly not looking at a radar, but I dont think there is any way they cancel a game this late, and this important. Reschedule maybe, but outright cancel?

    • Old-school

      Tomorrow game looks tough. 1235 start and heavy rain.

      Reds have off day monday
      Pirates off day monday as well between philly and cubs series so id imagine that pirates play makeup game sept 27 before heading to Chicago.

  9. Votto4life

    They will reschedule if needed…I wish I was more optimistic, but it’s unlikely to be needed.

  10. Redsvol

    I’d prefer to see Aquino or Barerro playing left field. Shrock is a nice utility player or late pinch hitting option. I agree it does seem the team plays better with Suarez playing and his defense isn’t bad compared to the other options. Interested to see Friedl get some extended playing time before end of season. Lets go Reds!

  11. Mark Moore

    Nice to see some consistency … like Mahle running up his pitch count in the first inning (SMH)

  12. Mark A Verticchio

    Good Job getting out of that, but to many pitches.

  13. dhmorgan

    An all-too-typical Mahle inning. He gets ahead 1-2 or 0-2 and then reaches 3-2 or walks the batter.
    Fortunately, his typical inning yields no runs. But boy is it irritating.

  14. LT

    Reds facing Keller’s, Birds Woodruff. As good a chance to make up ground as any. Go Reds!

  15. RedsMonk65

    I cannot remember the last time I saw Votto pop out behind home plate.

    • Broseph

      First thing that “popped” into my mind when I saw it

    • Broseph

      Tried looking it up on fangraphs. Can’t figure out FB out by position – don’t think they track it.

      Somebody has to because they kept track of his ridiculous pull foul balls and infield fly stats.

      • Broseph

        Fairly confident that number is now one.

    • RedsMonk65

      According to the broadcast team (in the 6th inning), it is only the SECOND time in his career he has popped out to the catcher. Amazing.

  16. Broseph

    How many times has Joey popped out to the catcher? That has to be a single figure stat.

  17. Mark Moore

    So during the offseason … keep Farmer or package him in a trade somewhere he can continue to play SS?

    • RedsMonk65

      I would keep him. Valuable off the bench. Has exceeded expectations as a starter. Has the “it” factor that so many championship teams seem to have with at least one role player. But I would start Barrero at SS next year — until and unless he proves he doesn’t deserve to be the starting SS. But Farmer at SS has made a believer out of me this year. He has been solid defensively. Not spectacular as a hitter, but he seems to provide key hits when necessary. I think the rest of the team really respects and responds to him. I don’t hear anyone screaming for the return of Freddy Galvis.

  18. Mark Moore

    Nice oppo by Geno. We’ve been waiting for that.

  19. Bet on Red

    Still gets a run in even if it was a DP.

  20. Bet on Red

    Wait, did they say that Friedl is a Steelers fan….BENCH HIM NOW!!!!!!!!! DFA

    • RedsMonk65

      But — NOT a Pirates fan….Demerits though for the Steelers…

  21. RedsMonk65

    Nice to see them scratch out a run there….Whatever it takes

  22. Mark Moore

    Yep. I’d definitely take Hayes at 3rd for us. Heck, I’d give them both Moose and Geno.

  23. RedsGettingBetter

    efficiency in number of pitches and command is a great challenge for Mahle

    • Mark

      He has to try and study and figure this pitch count inefficiency in the off-season out it’s what’s keeping him from being an All Star

  24. RedsMonk65

    Mahle clobbers one — rats, wish he would have stayed at first.

  25. RedsGettingBetter

    Maybe Mahle killed a possible good offense inning

  26. Dennis Westrick

    Same old Mahle! Nearly 80 pitches thru 4 innings! Hope he can get thru 6 innings to minimize the impact on an overworke

  27. Dennis Westrick

    Making my 900+ mile pilgrimage from Central Florida to Northern KY tomorrow! Plan on attending Reds game on Thursday night against the Nats! Haven’t been to GABP since 2006! Looking forward to seeing my favorite professional sports team in person! Need to satisfy my Cincy chili fix as well.

  28. VaRedsFan

    Cardinal 1st
    Stolen Base
    Ground ball, advance runner.
    Sac Fly

  29. Mark Moore

    OK, who is this guy wearing #7 and what did he do with Sir Strandsalot?

    • RedsMonk65

      Whoever he is, I hope he keeps it up. We need it.

  30. RedsMonk65

    Nice play by Gamel to prevent the sac fly RBI. I hate him.

  31. Bet on Red

    Steeler loving Fredl gets the Sac Fly, sigh…. i suppose he can stay

    • Mark Moore

      Yes, he can. Especially if Mahle gets through the top of the 5th and we have an official game in the books.

    • RedsMonk65

      Yeah, I suppose we’ll keep him

    • Bet on Red

      I am joking completely. just Repping the bengals as well…lol

      • RedsMonk65

        I’m a Browns fan. So, I know about Steeler-hate.

  32. Mark A Verticchio

    The Reds are scoring no where near the league average, 2.29, when the bases are loaded and nobody out. One is not good.

    • RedsMonk65

      Need to “go for the kill” as they say, in those situations….

  33. Mark Moore

    Fundamental small ball beating us once again.

  34. Bet on Red

    Well at least we rested half the bullpen yesterday

  35. RedsMonk65

    C’mon Mahle, throw strikes! …. Ooops, too late, time to hit the showers, dude. Here comes Santillan.

  36. RedsGettingBetter

    Now the Reds have another problem as starting pitching… This is a bad outing from Mahle… Yesterday was Vlad and Miley before…

    • Votto4life

      Ha yeah, It wasn’t too long ago when people were claiming that the Brewer’s starters would hit the wall because they never threw this many innings before. They seem to have held up pretty well.

  37. Mark A Verticchio

    The starters have not been pitching well lately. Mahle is just to inconsistent for me.

  38. DaveCt

    Tony S was halfway to the dugout on that last K

  39. Mark A Verticchio

    Good job by Tony, but man that bases loaded nobody situation for the Reds in the 4th really hurt. More bad news Cardinals winning again. I don’t think it matters what the Reds do. They should still want to win as many as possible, it’s about pride.

  40. Mark Moore

    Are we gonna get screwed out of this game by the rain?

    • Mark Moore

      We’ve been over this, Kevin … the hit-and-run has been permanently removed from Tinker’s playbook. We don’t use that in the Redleg organization … speaking as a fool, that is.

  41. JB

    Pirate hitters couldn’t hit a beach ball if Santillan threw it and Bell removes him. Smh

    • RedsMonk65

      Yeah, hope this doesn’t backfire….

      LeCure seems skeptical….

      • JB

        I like Wilson and I think he is the best lefty the Reds have had in years but Bell is going to burn through his relievers here. Santillan was embarrassing these hitters and Yanks him after 12 pitches.

  42. Mark A Verticchio

    Oh my god, this is sad. Why in the world would he take Santillan out? I know some of you support Bell, and I don’t care how this works out, it doesn’t make sense.

  43. Roger Garrett

    Just tuned in to see Keller and his +6 ERA is doing a number on our Reds.Sad just sad.

  44. dhmorgan

    The Reds have 6 hits and Farmer has half of them.
    Where is everybody else against this mediocre pitcher?

    • RedsMonk65

      Barnhart answers the call. Now it’s Friedl time. C’mon Rook!

  45. Bet on Red

    I think that this move might backfire. I would have kept Fredl in, or otherwise have gone to desheilds. But this…..

    • Hanawi

      The obsession with handedness over just leaving better hitters in the game is Bell’s biggest weakness. Just let the better hitters hit.

  46. JB

    Cabrera is horrible. Bell just keeps using him.

    • Votto4life

      Has to be beyond embarrassing for Cabrera at this point. There is a pretty decent chance now that Cabrera will be hitless for his entire Reds career.

      Whoever recommended the Reds sign him should be fired.

  47. RedsMonk65

    Not liking the decision to PH for Friedl with (gasp) Cabrera

  48. AMDG

    Why Bell bench Friedl for “easy out” Cabrera?

    Can’t the Reds just demand an automatic out, and save Cabrera the embarassment of going to the plate?

  49. RedsFan11

    Why in the you know what is firedl getting pinched hit for by flipping Cabrera?

  50. Votto4life

    Great having a switch hitter like Cabrera who can be ineffective from both sides of the plate.

  51. TyGuy88

    Great call Bell. Take out Friedl who has several hits since starting a couple days ago for a guy who is 0-20 since he started. Gotta get Cabrera going I guess. Im tired of these bizarre calls and lineups. Im now on the replace DB train.

    • JayTheRed

      Welcome aboard!!!! Choo choo!!!1

    • JoshG

      Yeah this one was the final straw for me .. he’s got no feel of the game .. which is odd since he’s been born and raised in baseball

  52. DataDumpster

    It was noted that Friedl has reverse splits in the minor league hitting .302 against .250. Yet, Bell still plays his handedness nonsense in spite of that. Now, Cabrera as the PH is now 0-20 since joining the Reds. Bell needs to go on the IL to get his head examined. What on earth is he thinking?

  53. JayTheRed

    Fire David Bell immediately…. let’s put in the guy that has no hits what so ever with our team instead of the guy who has a much better chance hitting lefties.

    So tired of these dumb decisions..

    I would have rather seen Deshields at least he has a chance to leg a hit out.

  54. Mark A Verticchio

    Why does he continue to go to Cabrrera, there comes a time where you just have to admit that he was horrible pick up, but do not tell David Bell.

  55. Chris

    I’d have sent up Lorenzen before I sent up Cabrera. He and Delino Jr have no business on this roster. Where is young Lopez?

  56. DaveCT

    It’s time to DfA/release Cabrera. No judgment, just logical and reasonable. It is best for him and for the team. Shake his hand, say thsnks, wish him well. He’ll be relieved actually.

  57. Gpod

    That decision right there is all you need to know about how horrible a manager Bell is

  58. Old-school

    We are getting into season ending territory here. Minutes not hours or weeks. Not sure why bell is back to rotational nonsense. I guess burning Cabrera saves a valuable player later

    Worst decision ever by Krall
    Cabrera does nothing at the major league level

  59. Old-school

    Legit question

    How do the reds decide cabrera should be added over Barrero?

    Cabrera has literally added nothing and I wont go into mean details

  60. dhmorgan

    I couldn’t imagine saying this earlier this year, but the bullpen has been much more effective than the starting rotation over the past several weeks.

  61. Bet on Red

    on the bright side he cant pitch hit twice

    • Roger Garrett

      Yeah but I had to check to see if he was part of a double switch and thank goodness he wasn’t.

  62. LT

    Reds should carry 6 starters so that Mahle never pitches at home, until someone figures out what his home problem is. Inexplicably falling apart in 5th inning. Offense needs to rise up to save the season.

  63. Mark A Verticchio

    Three more at bats or tomorrow the Reds will be going for 9 series losses in a row. I wonder what the club record is for that? This has to have been an awful month for the players because it has sure been miserable for the loyal fans.

  64. Indy Red Man

    Dish is out again so I can only check online, but I see 2 runs on 7 hits/4 walks. 2 doubleplays and of course zero steals. You just can’t win that way? Even the Bash brothers Oakland A’s had some speed. LA, Houston, and Tampa….all the teams that have been where the Reds want to go have some speed.

    • Indy Red Man

      I happened to be watching the Cubs 2 years ago I think and they mentioned they were #1 in the NL in 1st-3rd on singles. I thought that was a little strange because they didn’t really steal and didn’t appear to have much speed on paper. Its Baseball IQ though….be aggressive and know your opponents weaknesses. The Reds do none of that. Probably don’t even scout OFers arms etc

      • VaRedsFan

        That would require the reds to get a hit with a man on 1st

  65. RedsGettingBetter

    Frankly, Cabrera is lost.. it would seem He had brought the losses from Arizona to Cincy… Coincidentally since he landed the Reds started to lose…Anyway He should be released

  66. Roger Garrett

    Hey I am with you Old-school in burning Cabrera in the 6th.I mean we could have seen him in the 9th.Nobody and I mean nobody sends a guy up that is 0 for his time spent as a Red in that situation.Cabrera had to be more shocked then anybody to get called on right there.It is normal for us to expect it.

    • LT

      Bell’s choices are Barrero, Moose, or Cabrera? All terrible at this point, but I would pick Moose.

      • RedsMonk65

        I would have left Friedl in the game.

  67. LT

    Team batting .33 for the game but not able to string hits together. Sac fly killed rally

  68. SOQ

    I’ve lost track of all of the players who have been on the Reds’ MLB roster this season. I’m sure this season must be a record. Anyone have an idea?

  69. Bet on Red

    David bell selling out the bullpen to get this game. Offense needs to respond. Good Walk by Desheilds

  70. RedsMonk65

    C’mon Reds! Don’t leave this up the pen. Score some freakin runs!

  71. Indy Red Man

    A Reds stolen base!!!!

    Celebrate good times Come On!!!!

  72. RedsMonk65

    I like it– a stolen base! whowuddathunkit

  73. Bet on Red

    I would be ok with Schrock dropping a bunt here

    • Bet on Red

      that works too…. bases loaded… time for Nicks hit of the day. Would be nice if it left the park

    • dhmorgan

      On the other hand, I would be happy for that to happen.
      Bases loaded with no outs – again.
      This has got to be better than the last time: it just has to!

  74. RedsMonk65

    India is so impressive — even when he’s not hitting, he gets on base somehow….

  75. Mark A Verticchio

    Here we go again bases loaded nobody out.

  76. LT

    Bases are jacked with no out and Castellano up next. What more can you ask for?

  77. RedsMonk65

    Nice hit by Schrock. He is a hitter! Bases loaded, nobody out. Glad Deshields did not try for home–would have been a dead duck.

    This is the moment, Reds. Seize it!

    • RedsMonk65

      Dagnabit. Was hoping JV would slam it. C’mon Farmer, don’t let us down. Doesn’t need to be a slam. Just a base hit.

  78. Votto4life

    This is totally a different team from what we saw during the first half of the year.

    For me, it all started when Nick Castellanos was injured right after the all star break.

    The Reds played well for awhile after Nick was hit by the pitch, but something seemed to change around that time.

    Also, I think it’s human nature for someone in Castellanos’ situation to start thinking about next year. Not saying he has been mailing it in, but he doesn’t appear to be playing with the same energy as he was earlier in the season. Of course, that could be said about most players on this team with the exception of Jonathon India.

  79. DataDumpster

    Well, if Farmer can get 4 hits today, there’s hope. That’s a big ask for anybody.

  80. VaRedsFan

    It’s a different AB when the pressure is on, for Votto and Nick as opposed to last night, when there wasn’t

    • VaRedsFan

      Joey should have ambushed pitch 1 right down the middle

    • Jim

      Happened too many times this year. Heart of the lineup up with bases loaded. Don’t play Team Ball and get at least the runner from third in. Right, Unacceptable by the Team and Manager!!!!!!!!

  81. Daytonnati

    This is disgusting. Inexcusable.

  82. Mark Moore

    This is going to be a VERY hard loss tonight. That bases loaded with nobody out performance was BEYOND PAINFUL!!!

  83. JB

    Bases loaded and no outs. Can’t score. They have been doing it all year. SMH

  84. Old-school

    This season is 6 outs from over

    Im in the minority but no way I pay Castellanos $100 million till age age 35

    You dont pay for past performance

    You pay for future performance

    • Roger Garrett

      They won’t pay Casty not after 2 opt out years.He was laughing when they gave him that and he is still laughing on the way out of town.Say what you want but who would want to play for the Reds unless they get over paid.

    • weigarp

      I agree about Castellanos for the reason of age.

      That was painful to have bases full with your best two hitters coming up… Ugh.

    • Votto4life

      I mean if the Reds would reinvest the money they save by letting Castellanos walk, then it might be OK.

      The problem is NC will walk, leave a huge hole in this line up and the Reds will do nothing to replace his offense.

      This offense is pretty terrible right now. Taking an all-star out of the line up and it is likely to get much, much worse.

      I understand what you are saying though, it’s a lot of money. They can lose without him.

  85. Mark A Verticchio

    The most embarrassing inning of the year. This game is over and they don’t deserve to win. I really don’t see how what just happened can. Twice tonight bases loaded and nobody out and one run.

  86. Indy Red Man

    Playing a team that might lose 100 (although they play us) and you can’t score 1 run with bases loaded nobody out and 3-4-5 at the plate? Unreal

    Congrats Cardinals. Professional team that doesn’t excel at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. I hope they lose the WC but they deserve it

    • RedsMonk65

      Discouraging, to say the very least

  87. Roger Garrett

    Game set match and season all in one inning.No words but at least we were kept interested for 150 games or so. Could be several years before we can say that again.

  88. RedsGettingBetter

    This 7th inning was truly demolarizing. Bases loaded and offensive heart and no score with low quality ABs. I think it could be definitive in this game and even for the remaining games.

  89. Mark A Verticchio

    As you can tell, I think that last inning took what ever was left out of the most loyal fan.

  90. DataDumpster

    I’ll have to admit that these last 6 games against the Bucs have been among the most interesting of the season. Lots of tense moments, exciting and very competitive games. Enjoyable for your love of the game if you don’t think too much about what your home team has been reduced to. Don’t tell me their RISP percentage though or I’ll need to down a baking soda cocktail.

    • Indy Red Man

      Was he jogging or riding a bike? I’ll chip in for running shoes or a new bike as long as neither has brakes

  91. JB

    Well there you go. Bell found his reliever that isn’t on tonight. Now he will leave him in there until the game is out of reach.

  92. Bet on Red

    Had him out there 2 innings yesterday. keeped running the same horse out, now its getting lame

  93. RedsMonk65

    This game is quickly slipping away… Hello, Reds? This is the PIRATES you’re playing!!!

  94. Old-school

    Anyone disagree this game seals the season unless a miracle?

    greenmtrd? You are the balanced voice of reason ?

    • Mark Moore

      I’m with you. Perhaps as some “omen” my flight cancellation credit came through this evening.

  95. Ryan

    While Lorenzen gives up a hit to a .134 hitter. Clutch pitching there Michael

    • Doc

      Chastise hime for giving up a hit to a .134 hitter yet many on this site have been wanting to hand the SS job to a .154 hitter. I guess the threshold for greatness is somewhere between .134 and .154!

  96. JB

    5 out in the loss column with 10 to play. Turn out the lights the season is over. Will be an interesting off season. We will find out how broke this team is and if they care about winning.

  97. Mark Moore

    And I believe that’s all she wrote for tonight. Thinking we’re out of miracles.

  98. RedsMonk65

    One blessing: At least the Ric Flair aficionados (drunks) are not as prevalent tonight.

  99. Gpod

    How excited will the fans be next April when you see Bell sitting in the dugout again….my worst nightmare

    • JayTheRed

      If they resign him (Bell) and do nothing to improve this team I refuse to be a Reds fan any longer. The ownership of this team does not care about their fans.. I still think we are going to not have a winning record this season. Maybe .500 if we are lucky

  100. Roger Garrett

    Bell caused this when he pulled Santillian after 12 pitches in favor of Wilson.Santi could have gone 2 or 3 innings and shortened the game and kept Mikey and Givens watching.As stated earlier they were not going to hit Santi.

    • Mark Moore

      That and the PH for Friedl with Captain O-Fer

    • Hanawi

      Yep, was typing the same below. Inexplicable to me.

  101. Indy Red Man

    I’ve been a huge Lorenzen fan and defender at times, but its time to move on. He’s been pretty decent overall, but never quite up to the standard of a #1 setup man for a championship level team. $4 mil is too much. Cessa is 100x smarter pitcher

    • JB

      Won’t matter anyway Indy. Castellini isn’t going to sign anybody this winter. He will kick the tires again like last winter and sign retreads.

  102. ryan

    I don’t care how bad winter is I don’t want to hear a single word about reds fest reds caravan or hot stove league

  103. Old-school

    Lorenzen career as a Red needs to be over

    Great human being

    • JayTheRed

      Lorenzen has been solid since coming back from the IL.. It’s not him who the issues are with.

  104. Hanawi

    Really do not understand throwing Lorenzen after he went 2 innings yesterday. We have a ton of pitchers on the roster. Santillan or Wilson could certainly have gone longer. Bell just has not figured out how to manage a bullpen yet. Probably doesn’t matter the way the Cards are going, but frustrating nonetheless.

    • Roger Garrett

      He is clueless and if he is back and unless Bob spends some money I am done after 60 years.

  105. RedsMonk65

    6-2. That should do it…. for the game, and …. possibly for the season?

  106. Bet on Red

    Gross… entirely possible that tomorrow starts a streak that gets up back into it but this is disgusting. Needed Warren in rather then ML. ML may say he can go every day, but history shows he cannot do more than two innings without a Day off. Just a day closer to David bells contract option not being exercised. Brewers looking pathetic too. They are going to be one series and done in the postseason too.

  107. JayTheRed

    Rare bad pitching by Lorenzen… That happens at times even with great pitchers.
    But still the poor decisions by the Manager and the lack of taking advantage of bases loaded twice with no outs and only scoring 1 run is what killed us tonight.

    • Doc

      Rare if you look at his season as a whole. Not so rare if you look from the time he gave up his first run until the present.

  108. LT

    Not sure why we blame Bell. Heart of line up failed and Lorenzen, well being Lorenzen. There is no consistency in any aspect, nothing to count on day in and day out. Every player has their moment throughout the season, but absolutely no one is reliable except maybe Indian.

    • Indy Red Man

      Yesterday for example. Literally one example of a 1000 this season.

      Vlad left in for 5 runs? EVERYONE knew he didn’t have it and wanted him out. Yeah they won the game, but Bell tried everything in his power to stick his head in the sand and lose the game. He got it done tonite! Its like he’s betting against the Reds.

      • Doc

        Figuratively maybe, but certainly not literally.

      • Roger Garrett

        Bell makes a lot of bad decisions and yesterday they won despite leaving Vlad in to long.He does the same with Mikey tonight and they will not win this one.He should have pulled him after his 3 batters because like last night this is the season there is no tomorrow.

    • Gpod

      If you watched Bell all season, it is pretty evident….clueless ….this team has collapsed down the stretch against a weak schedule….he had no answers to help this team

  109. Old-school

    Reds havent earned a playoff spot

    Beauty of 162 game season

    No flukes

    Not our year…Again

    • JayTheRed

      You are correct sir and I said at the beginning of the season the Brewers were going to be the division winner. I started getting my hopes up in July but they have fallen back to reality.

  110. Mark A Verticchio

    The fat lady has sung this season is over. When you consider what the Cardinals have done and what the Reds have done this has to be the worst month I can ever remember to be a fan of this team. There are no words to describe how bad this has been, from a fans view point it has been beyond awful.

  111. Dennis Westrick

    2 comments! Cardinal Rule No. 1 for a RP entering a one (1) run game – Don’t issue walks! So what does Mikey Biceps do? Walks 2 of the first 3 batters he faces and they both score!
    And if the current Reds manager insists on playing RP roulette by using one RP per inning, you will find a RP who is not effective and that’s what you got tonight and in countless other games this season! Stick a fork in the Reds for tonight, they are done!

  112. LDS

    Any of the stat sites give counts of how many times this season the Reds had bases loaded, nobody out, and failed to score? And how often they subsequently lost the game? How how many times Bell stayed with a flailing pitcher for 30 or so pitches until the game was out of reach? My gut tells me Bell is back next year but folks like Barnhart aren’t. It’s the Reds way.

  113. Doc

    Uncanny how Reds relievers either have it or don’t have it on any particular night. Seems as though there is no in between. Of course, with the bases loaded and no outs with the 3, 4 and 5 hitters coming up in a one run game, this one is on the offense.

  114. Daytonnati

    This is the Vontaze / Pacman meltdown against the Steelers, only in slow-motion. I went to bed that night thinking “if Burfict and Pacman are still Bengals tomorrow, I will not attend a game or watch them again until Marvin is gone”. They were and I didn’t,

  115. Dennis Westrick

    I know I have asked this question before of the RLN faithful but does the current manager of the Reds realize that a RP CAN pitch more than one inning, especially if he was effective and has only thrown less than 15 pitches in the previous inning. Again, asking for a friend.

  116. David

    I kind of don’t understand why Lorenzen was used tonight, with the LONG bullpen they apparently have.
    He pitched two innings last night. I have seen Bell do this last season and this season; ride a relief pitcher who does good until he is burnt out or injured, then….Well, that guy was no good.

  117. vared

    Lorenzen didn’t “just” walk 2 guys. Several of those pitches were nowhere close. Coming off 2 innings yesterday he clearly didn’t have it. Yet Bell stuck with him in a must win game. Bell STILL has no idea how to use his bullpen.

  118. Mark A Verticchio

    Well one thing about the up coming National series the Reds can’t lose it 2 games to 1. I am sure they will one up themselves and lose 3 games to 1. What a miserable franchise.

  119. Dennis Westrick

    Don’t get me wrong, I do like Mikey Biceps but it just seems he’s either hot or cold. And it’s the manager’s job to see that and react BEFORE a one (1) run deficit turns into a 4 or 5 run deficit! The 2 walks to 3 of the first 3 batters was your sign!

    • Roger Garrett

      Of course it was for everybody except the manager.The Bucs were praying he stayed in and he did.Reds won a lot of games despite Bell this year.

  120. Old-school

    Does doug write the obituary and when?
    I vote now.

    We need an obituary for 2021 so we can all move forward.

    Dont prolong this season

    Its over

    Doug ????

  121. Optimist

    Need to sign Ricky Vaughn to put the capper on this season.

  122. Bet on Red

    Reds fans rightly booing. Save a few persons a disgusting effort tonight. Suarez out here performing. Farmer is performing. Barrero is the future bust of the future until he proves otherwise. I would really think about DFAing Caberra tomorrowas a wake-up call to the rest of the lineup. At least LC starts tomorow, if it gets played tomorow

  123. Bet on Red

    Barrero inches away from knocking out another player.

  124. LT

    We don’t have a player like Greg Vaughn. I don’t know the Big Reds Machine players. But Vaughn was like get on my back and I carry you game after game. No dancing, no antics.

  125. Mark A Verticchio

    Rain might be the best thing for tomorrow than they can say they didn’t lose the series. On a positive note in 12 days we would have hopefully seen the last of David Bell. I am sure he is a nice man but, as a manager he was always in way over his head.

    • LT

      Agree. So gritty for a rookie. Best part of this season by far is seeing Indian and Stephenson in Reds uniform.

    • Daytonnati

      Or a dugout full of Piniellas 🙂

    • Chris Holbert

      They may have them, but if they called them up they would sit behind the veterans. They have to be brought up and given the chance to show what they have, other than occasional starts and PH

  126. Old-school

    Castellanos 0-5
    Take the Qo and move on

    No way he’s worth 30 million a year in 2025/26/27

    Thanks for 2 solid years nick.

    Good luck with your agent.

    Trevor Bauer got us a young player too.

    • Gpod

      Yes….when the pressure was on down the stretch….he pretty much failed the team ….that’s the truth of the matter

  127. Votto4life

    12 runners left in base between Votto and Castellanos. Aye. Aye. Aye.

  128. Mark A Verticchio

    Nick C. and Votto really let this team down tonight. I know some may want him back but I will be glad to see Nick C. go he is not worth 10 million. There is just something about the way he carries himself that I don’t like. I am sure it’s just me, but since he came back from injury he has been average at best.

    • centerfield

      I’ll take a couple of Nick Castellanos’. He’s a hitter and a ball player. Nick, India, Stephenson and Farmer come to play. They may not succeed in every instance but overall they produce. Bell needs to go. His management of the relief pitchers is ludicrous.

  129. DataDumpster

    Poetic justice as they say. A midweek game against a weak opponent and iffy weather but in a situation where this is probably the first “must win” game. David Bell mismanages the bullpen and the pinch hitting as usual and the team for the most part responds just as badly. The game gets stretched out to 3:36 even though the scoring was below average and less than 10,000 come to see this debacle. What is going on in the clubhouse to cause such a promising team for most of the year to just collapse against such weak opponents?
    Since moving ahead in the WC2 race Aug. 22, they have gone 9-17. In the post presser, our manager said he has “no doubt that the Cabrera PH decision was the right move because he’s been there and was brought here to get big hits.” Pathetic.

  130. Mark A Verticchio

    My answer to that is let Bell go to the same place Cabrerra will be next year. I don’t know where but it won’t be with the Reds.

    • Bob Purkey

      The Reds could do that today if they had any guts