Tonight was not the night for run prevention for the Cincinnati Reds professional baseball club. None of the Reds hurlers could stop runners from crossing the plate, except for Mr. Tony Santillan and position player, Max Schrock. The Reds defense was just about as bad. It just was not the Reds night this evening.

The Reds have lost 5 of 6. The Reds will have to wait for the result in San Diego late this evening to see if they are still 0.5 games up or 0.5 games back for the final NL playoff spot with 26 games to play.

Final R H E
Detroit Tigers (64-72) 15 18 0
Cincinnati Reds (72-64) 5 9 2
W: Holland (3-2) L: Gutierrez (9-6)
FanGraphs Win Probability | Statcast | Box Score | Game Thread


Source: FanGraphs

Positives

Eugenio Suarez had a second consecutive good night. He hit a 371 foot dinger for his 25th home run of the season and drew an 11-pitch walk, which was key to chasing Tigers SP, Tyler Alexander after just 3.2 innings.

Jonathan India just keeps on keeping on. He hit his 18th home run of the season.

Max Schrock collected 2 hits off the bench. Schrock is now hitting .333/.390/.556 on the season. Schrock also pitched a perfect 9th inning with a strikeout, the only perfect inning of the 6 relievers used tonight. Baseball is a crazy game.

Nick Castellanos also collected 2 hits tonight. That is actually three consecutive multi-hit games for Castellanos. The Reds could really use a hot Castellanos in September.

Negatives

Back to back shaky starts from Vladimir Gutierrez: 3.1 IP, 4 H, 3 ER, 1 BB, 1 K, 2 HR. Gutierrez allowed a total of 7 hard hit balls in his short outing. The good news for Gutierrez and the Reds is that his next 4 starts should come against the Pirates, Cubs, Nationals and Pirates. Gutierrez has pitched really well against bad teams this season except for his last start against the Marlins – which was his second time facing them in six days.

The Reds defense was rough tonight. Moustakas and Gutierrez were the only ones marked with errors, but there was plenty of shaky defense to go around.

Several guys who have been really good in the Reds bullpen just did not have it tonight. Their defense did not help them. Justin Wilson allowed 3 earned runs, Mychal Givens allowed 3 earned runs and his first home run in a Reds uniform, Jeff Hoffman allowed 4 earned runs and 2 home runs and Amir Garrett allowed a run to raise his season ERA to 6.34.

Not so random thoughts…….

There are going to be nights like this, even for a contender, even when every game is so important. The good news is the Phillies got smacked 10-3 by the Marlins. The Braves are losing as I type this. It’s early in San Diego. Just because the schedule is favorable does not mean you will win every game. The Tigers are playing really well right now. The Reds just need to find a way to win series and they’ll be in a good spot. 26 games left. Keep the faith, Reds fans.

Up Next:

Tigers at Reds
Saturday, 7:10 PM
TV: Bally Sports Ohio
Tyler Mahle (3.64 ERA/3.72 xFIP) vs Matthew Boyd (3.50 ERA/4.88 xFIP)

43 Responses

  1. Bet on Red

    I would bet that the tigers are not going to score 15 again this season let alone against the reds

  2. SOQ

    The Reds are gassed. If they make the Wild Card Play “In” game, it is very unlikely they will advance to the playoffs. That being said, the future looks good

  3. Klugo

    Havent been winning too many series lately. Running on empty.

  4. Mark A Verticchio

    This could be their 4th series loss in a row, they are not really hitting so there isn’t much to be positive about right now. They look like a team that has hit the wall, they are now 8 over. I just hope this isn’t a total collapse but as I said, and others agree they look gassed. That could easily happen to a team depending on rookies and some aging players.

  5. Broseph

    I keep reading “they’re gassed”. Hasn’t every MLB team played the same amount of games. Almost everyone on this starting 8 has had a month of baseball off due to injuries. The team just had two off days.

    Simply put, this not a pennant team. They have a winning record but 7 games under .500 against winning teams.

    Just being realistic. They’ve played some amazing ball at times and have young talent finally breathing life, but unless there are some serious off-season moves, this roster is t set up for deeppost season runs.

    To quote coach Dennis Green. “They are who we thought they were”

    • Jim Walker

      Before the All Star break the Reds were 8-5 vs Brewers and afterwards 1-5. Versus the Cardinals before this week they were also 8-5 and are now 8-7.

      The Cubs who the Reds lost 2 of 3 games to week before last are a sub .500 team. The Marlins who the Reds got bombed by last weekend are a sub .500 team as are the Tigers who nailed them tonight. These are the type of teams the Reds typically have gotten fat against since early June.

      Something has gone south with the Reds in the last 3 weeks.

    • 2020ball

      curious if you looked at other teams records vs winning tesms and i bet its similar numbers, thats why theyre winning teams. im assuming due diligence wasnt done.

      ive kept the faith this long so i plan on keeping it, still a month to go.

      • Broseph

        Huh. If they’re winning teams, they’re beating most teams. Only two have similar records to the Reds.

        Below .500 – St. Louis, Oakland, White Sox, Atlanta, Cleveland, Phi, NYM

        Above .500 – Mil, TB, NYY, Boston, Toronto, Houston, Seattle, SF, LAD, SD

        10 winning clubs and 8 losing including Cincinnati. NYM are one game about .500 and Cleveland is two so it might go down to 6 clubs vs 10 that are sub .500 against winning teams.So yes, the Reds are in the minority.

        Winning clubs also beat winning teams. So my statement is validated and stands. This is not and wasn’t a pennant team prior to the season

      • 2020ball

        them being in the losing half doesnt put them in the minority, but fine its better to see some more context there. I dont know why people look for every reason to be negative about this team but there you go. Ill just be here rooting for them to have a shot to surpruse in the playoffs.

  6. Brad

    Since Castellini has owned the Reds out of 15 years he had 4 winning seasons. This year could be number 5. Playoffs are low scoring games due to great pitching. Old Bob knew we needed relief pitching and did nothing. Miley and Mahle is good for 6 innings if Mahle is pitching away from here. Then what? Need a new owner who wants to win.

    • burtgummer01

      What’s this ?
      Someone why understands what the issue is and why it won’t be better any time soon

    • RojoB

      “ Need a new owner who wants to win.”

      Not going to happen soon. If you had a cash making machine that gave you money for next to nothing, would you sell it?

  7. Tim

    The loss of Winker has mattered a lot. Votto was hot but is pretty frosty as well.

    • Jim Walker

      Very accurate. Activating Moustakas was a reach that has clearly failed. That spot on the roster should be Barrero (with Farmer to LF). Instead, they had Barrero and Stephenson chasing flyballs around the outfield for several days in the pregame then sent Barrero back down when they got Cabrera for who knows why since they never use him.

      • RojoB

        Jim, this that you elucidated above frustrates me to the nth degree and it’s why I have no faith in the leadership of the team. It’s pathetically laughable to have Barrero shagging flies and trotting out an old 3B with a bad trotter himself just because said 3B has a big contract.

        Earth to Bob—“Moustakas and Suárez are not going to earn what you’ve paid them anymore.”

        I have no control over any of this so I stopped letting it bother me. Now I just hope the players can overcome as much of it as possible for their own sakes

      • Jim Walker

        I don’t believe Nick Krall or BigBob (or SonPhil) tell Bell per se who to play. Obviously, Krall has the final say over Bell’s available roster though.

        I Cleted out last night at 6-3 but looking over the box score this morning, it appears Cabrera is the only position guy who did not get onto the field. Something must be going on there.

        Also apparently while Moose did get a hit, he also had defensive issues again last night. The guy is still functionally impaired by his injury and should not be on the field but is. Again, it just feels like the odds favor there is a story there too.

      • 2020ball

        well, Barrero didnt hit while he was w the big club either, SSS i know

      • RedsMonk65

        @Jim: Yes, that has been incredibly frustrating, and just plain confusing.

      • Jim Walker

        @2020, Bet if Barrero would have been run out onto the field with the consistency Moose Has been, his offensive numbers would be better than what Moose has done since returning in early August and JB would not have been the obvious defensive liability Moose has been.

  8. GreatRedLegsFan

    Almost all hitters have cooled off as if late, only India and Castellanos continue hitting well. The bullpen, even after the overhaul, is not their strenght. Maybe Gutierrez has already reached his limit for the season, even though just shy of 120 IP. The rest of the rotation still look strong. I’d say the season has finally catched them up.

  9. Bet on Red

    Astros come through we still have the spot

  10. GreatRedLegsFan

    And here come the Cards! (again)

  11. Reddawg2012

    The Reds have been very frustrating lately. Hopefully they can get hot again at the perfect time and ride that into the playoffs.

    I was at all three Cardinals games. The attendance at GABP, for a team in a playoff race, was embarrassing. 10K fans at best. I realize Covid is ramping back up, and school is back in session. But look around the league at other teams in contention. Other than the Rays, they all draw 25-30k, even on weeknights. Just really disappointing to feel excited for September baseball and a playoff atmosphere, only to sit in an almost empty ballpark.

      • Reddawg2012

        That was the Tigers game last night. I said I attended the 3 Cardinals games. You know, one of the teams chasing the Reds for the final wildcard spot.

    • 2020ball

      Reds fans seem a grumpy lot at times to me as an outside observer. unfortunately i think that tends to lead to poor attendence, even when they have a good team.

  12. stuckonthenorthshore

    Everybody near it, back away from the ledge. This is a consistent team, consistently streaky. The Reds have been since they started 6-1, or whatever it was earlier this year. They get hot, then go cold, then get hot, etc….we just have to hope the next hot streak boosts us into the playoffs. Then we hit one there, and it runs through the WS! GO REDLEGS!!!!!!

    • stuckonthenorthshore

      Imagine if they started cold, say 1-6. The streaks would be flipped, and right now the Reds would be looking up at all the teams below us right now. I wish I still lived in the tri-state and could go today!

      • TR

        Keep up your optimism. Look what’s happened to San Diego recently and they’re still in the hunt.

    • 2020ball

      This is how any team is over the long season, though the good teams find more ways to limit slumps. Its something you see a lot i feel like in baseball, and fans usually ride those waves on how they feel about their team.

  13. Still a Red

    A number of missed opportunities offensively last night, but with pitching probably didn’t matter. That said, I’d say loss of Winker and Joey cooling off has been difficult to overcome. You know, Joey really stepped up with Castellanos down, but he hasn’t been able to keep that pace to help with Winker. Need Wink and Joey back rest of the way.

  14. Doc4uk

    Bring up Barrero and Moreta and Greene. Drop Garrett (has given up a run in each of last few games) and Wilson (nothing left) and Aquino (batting under .200 for his MLB career and 1 for last 30) It really does not matter if you are a lefty when you must face three batters unless you are pitching to the reds!

  15. SultanofSwaff

    I logged on this morning to see Milton and I’m leaving empty-handed! 🙁

    • Doug Gray

      You’re never going to see it, Sultan. Sorry, but we don’t have the rights to use that image and while the odds are small that it would ever be an issue in terms of someone coming after us legally for using it, that’s not a risk I’m willing to take when we can use images we actually do have the legal rights to use.

      • RedsMonk65

        Are you an artist? Maybe a self-made illustration…something goofy, and frightening, and maddening all at the same time. 😉

  16. CFD3000

    I was at the game, this is the annual GABP pilgrimage from Atlanta. The offense was not great, but also unlucky. Moustakas’ ground rule double could have hit the wall and there’s at least one more run. A couple of other rockets were right at outfielders. The Reds scored 5 and it could easily have been 7 or 8 with just some very minor shifts. But the pitching and defense were indeed AWFUL.

    Gutierrez walked Cabrera on 4 pitches to start the 2nd, then threw away an easy come backer. Two free runners so what would otherwise have been a harmless (though hard hit) double meant 2 runs. And the floodgates opened. Naquin made a mental mistake and threw to third with no chance to catch the fleet runner. That led to 2nd and 3rd, infield in and what would have been a double play ball rushed past Farmer for a 2 run single. And Moustakas not only made an ugly throwing error on the back end of a run scoring single to set up another 2nd and 3rd situation, but that inning started on a slow roller that Suarez, Barrero, or likely anyone not Moose converts to the first out of the inning. It’s the little things folks. Baseball is a game of inches and tiny decisions. And last night the Reds fumbled that truth at every turn and to their own detriment. Ugly.

    BUT. It’s no different from losing 4-2 when their starter is a little better than the Reds. 7:10 tonight and the Reds play again with a 1/2 game lead in the wild card race. Steady on. Go Reds!

  17. Bill J

    Guess I’m to old but, someone said all that matters anymore are home runs and strikeouts. Three other things seem to matter are how fast the pitch is, how hard and far it’s hit. Someone hit a ball 421 feet, another 365 feet, they both went over the wall so which one counted the most? Give me the old game.

    • Frankie Tomatoes

      No one has ever said that Bill.

    • Steven Ross

      Bill, you have company. Case in point, Moose was PHing with nobody down the 3rd base line. Heck the 3B was nearly behind 2nd base. Put down a bunt. You can walk to first. What did he do? Struck-out. Only Naquin gets it.

      I’d be surprised if this team turned it around. Feels like they peaked already. Respect Votto but he’s ice cold now. Can we please not use Aquino anymore? Bell drives me nuts sometimes. The right handed order he puts out versus lefties doesn’t work! Larkin drops hints on what the lineup should look like and I agree. Put DeShields and his speed near the top of the order! Put pressure on the D. Hello?

      • Bill J

        Steve, saw a couple of plays from other games with a situation like you are talking about with Moose, not saying he could, but the batter bunted or checked swing, ball goes just about 50 feet beyond 3rd base guy gets a double.

  18. LT

    See if Votto shows up in these crucial games. He ran his mouth a lot when he had that nice stretch. Couldn’t tie game with a sac fly, sad.

    Gotta win today. Go Reds!

  19. doofus

    The squad needs to play .692 ball the rest of the way to reach 90 wins.

    The way they are playing recently, they would be lucky to reach 85 wins.