The Cincinnati Reds (56-50) have won three consecutive series, and they will try to keep it going this week against an easier schedule than they’ve seen in some time. The Reds will host the Minnesota Twins (44-62) for two games, with the first at 7:10 PM tonight. The Reds are 34-22 in their last 56 games. They enter play 7.5 games back in the NL Central, but just 4.0 back of the Padres for the second wild card spot.

Starting Pitchers

Tyler Mahle is coming off six shutout innings at Wrigley Field last week. Mahle just continues to be an above average pitcher for the Reds. The one thing to watch with him is that he is only 18.0 innings away from his career high in innings pitched of 129.2 in 2019. Mahle was only able to last 4.0 innings when he faced the Twins on the road earlier this season (5 H, 3 R, 3 BB, 8 K). Mahle has a career 3.55 ERA in 3 starts against the Twins (19 K and 7 BB in 12.2 IP). Mahle has struggled this season at GABP, as he he has a 6.09 ERA in 9 starts. He has allowed 13 home runs at home compared to 3 on the road (and he has made 3 more road starts this year).

Mahle ranked 25th among all pitchers in fWAR (3.1) since the start of 2020. He would be an ACE on many teams around baseball.

Kenta Maeda has seen a drop in velocity this season, but he has really turned his season around in July. Maeda has a 2.15 ERA in 5 starts (36 K and 6 BB in 29.1 IP). The Reds have not faced him since 2019. Maeda has a 3.54 career ERA in 3 starts against the Reds.

Starting Lineups

Twins Reds
Max Kepler (L) RF Jonathan India (R) 2B
Brent Rooker (R) LF Jesse Winker (L) LF
Jorge Polanco (S) 2B Kyle Farmer (R) SS
Mitch Garver (R) C Joey Votto (L) 1B
Luis Arraez (L) 3B Max Schrock (L) RF
Miguel Sano (R) 1B Tyler Naquin (L) CF
Nick Gordon (L) CF Eugenio Suarez (R) 3B
Andrelton Simmons (R) SS Tucker Barnhart (L) C
Kenta Maeda (R) P Tyler Mahle (R) P

Tucker Barnhart will start at catcher for the 4th time in the last 5 games. Barnhart is hitting .243/.306/.324 since June 1st. The good news is that Tyler Stephenson (hitting .306/.405/.446 since June 1st) will be fresh off the bench.

Max Schrock will get his first career start in RF after his 5-hit game on Sunday. He played 16.0 innings in RF at AAA this season. It is curious why Bell chose to play Schrock over Aristides Aquino in RF (116 wRC+ and team leading 15.6 BB%) instead of at his more natural position at third base.


The Reds play on 9 of their 56 remaining games against teams above .500. That is a whopping 16% of their remaining games. The Reds will be heavy favorites in 35 of their remaining 56 games (63%): Pirates, Marlins, Cubs, Twins, Tigers and Nationals. That does not mean much if you can not capitalize, but the Reds are going to be going on the field with a significantly better roster most nights for the rest of the season. Don’t give up on the 2021 Cincinnati Reds. I think we are going to be in for a very fun final two months. Go Reds!

321 Responses

  1. J

    “Curious” is a very nice way to describe the fact that Suarez keeps starting day after day no matter how many players would make more sense.

    • LDS

      Aquino in RF and Schrock at 3B would have been preferable. Just glad Schrock didn’t get the Lopez treatment.

    • Steelerfan

      At least they dropped him in the lineup. Small mercy?

    • Melvin

      Maybe Suarez and David Bell are cousins and we just don’t know about it. 🙂 Just kidding. Let’s win anyway. We have to look at it like this is game 5 of the 2020 season and we’re 7 1/2 back already and 3 back (loss column) of the WC already which means there should be much more of a sense of urgency than even last year. Here’s hoping DB doesn’t mess around with his lineups as he did last year and has learned better. I was thinking some guys would be back tonight from AAA. Looking forward to the moves that are coming up.

  2. RedsGettingBetter

    Any update about Castellanos? There was a possibility that he could has been activated today….

    • Doug Gray

      Not being activated. He did take live BP off of one of the coaches, though.

      • redsgettingbetter

        it could mean he is closer to rejoin

  3. BatsLeftThrowsRight

    If the Reds are serious, it’s time to take care of business and start beating the teams who are out of it with regularity. Winning 5/6 is imperative here.

    Time to stop nibbling Mr. Mahle, time to stop walking those lead off runners. Time to start being a pitcher who pitches with confidence.

    Reds team memo: Urgency, urgency, urgency. Your playoff run must begin tonight. The bases loaded with nobody out is a good thing, score many runs when this happens.

  4. Hunt4RedsOct

    Votto on intentional talk explained the Me, Me, Me celebration. Really a dig at David Bell from comments about Ted Lasso. Hilarious
    Awesome interview.

  5. Lid

    Wow. 16%. The Reds got this? One good sign, Suarez should only bat 7th or lower. How many rehab ABs do Senzel and Moustakas need? Off day in Louisville yesterday.

  6. Bet on Red

    When i envisioned a 6 and 1 record this week, this game was the only one that i could see us losing. I dont think we will though. Like the fact we get schrock in the lineup, not the position though

    • Indy Red Man

      I’d take 5-2. The Twins can really swing it and Pitt always battles us. Milw crushes them every game, but they beat Philly 2 of 3 and Philly has a ton of payroll and a veteran lineup.

      • Bet on Red

        I mean maybe…but i dont expect the pirates to win another game this season

      • TR

        It’s run for the playoffs time. Don’t overlook the Pirates. They’re scrappy and can surprise you.

    • Old-school

      I’d take 4-2 over Twins and pirates, but preferably 5-1. Then 4-3 against indians/braves/Phil’s then 5-2 against cubs marlins. That would be 6 over the next 3 weeks and 69-57 going in to the Brewers series in 3 weeks.

  7. Old-school

    Senzel is starting in cf again in AAA and Moose is starting again at 3b.

    Right wrong or indifferent Alejo Lopez was never going to put Suarez on the bench. The performances of India and Farmer and their elevation to the lead off and 3 holes are very telling. Assuming Farmer health, Moose has a big enough profile to displace Suarez at 3b. Suarez may not have a place to play. They are paying Moose more than Suarez and India isn’t going anywhere and if healthy, neither is Farmer.

    • TR

      Senzel in the outfield and not in the infield does not please me.

  8. JB WV

    Schrock should definitely be at third base tonight instead of Suarez. (That said, watch Suarez have a huge night. This is the way it usually works).

    • Steelerfan

      I hope so, but living in Cleveland where all the moves are being sold as “we are figuring out things for next year” it is bothersome to me they aren’t taking as much opportunity to figure out what they have in Aquino as possible.

      • Indy Red Man

        I feel the same way when Bell plays Shogo and his .500 ops over AA. The thing is its obvious that the Reds don’t value AA that much and nobody traded for him so maybe he’s not that good? Idk? He’s the only OFer they have that rated better then average (slightly). Even Shogo is -2 or something on defensive runs saved vs replacement. AA is +2 I think so not a huge difference, but AA saved Mahle’s last start by himself in Wrigley. Crazy power, he can run, and throw. There is some things to like about him

  9. LeRoy

    I think Schrock should be starting at 3B tonight. I think Suarez should be on the bench for at least 2 or 3 days like the Reds did Votto last year. It probably wouldn’t help but at least it would look better on Bell. I think Suarez is continuing to play Third because Moose will take over and Bell won’t have to embarrass Suarez by using a utility player to replace him. Winning should be more important to any manager than the feelings of his players.

    • RojoB

      “ Winning should be more important to any manager than the feelings of his players”

      Couldn’t agree more

  10. Ron

    The Reds should go 6-0 this week. Both of these teams are terrible. Anything less than 5-1 would be a disappointment. Want to be in the playoffs?
    Win them all.

  11. Dennis Westrick

    Time to get serious guys! And that means you Mahle! Pitch to contact, put batters away when ahead in the count and, most importantly, NO WALKS please!

    • Doc

      His success rate on contact at GABP is not something to write home about!

  12. Doc

    Mahle may only be 18 innings away from his career high, but how many pitches is he away from his career high? He has thrown enough pitches to have already achieved a new career high in innings. Wake me when he is nearing Nolan Ryan’s average innings per year.

  13. Dennis Westrick

    Just in case, I have an ample supply of antacids for Mahle’s start tonight!

  14. Dennis Westrick

    Note to Suarez! It’s OK to hit the ball behind the runners to right field!

  15. Old-school

    Brewers claimed Sal Ramono

    Nc central race is over

    • beelicker

      With their covid situation they have effectively a 6man bullpen tonight with half of those having thrown over 19 pitches last night

    • beelicker

      And with Boxberger having 32 over the last 2

    • Bet on Red

      If the brewers are relying on Sal ramano then there is a chance for us,

  16. Mark Moore

    I’ve decided to start writing a children’s book about baseball tonight. The title will be “Mr. Mahle Throws Strikes”. I’ll let you know later if I get any material for it from this outing.

    • beelicker

      Strikes with 2 strike counts are the rarities

    • Mark Moore

      He better not make me change it to “Mr. Mahle WON’T Throw Strikes”.

      Full counts again, Nibbler?

      • beelicker

        Mahle first 3 batters had o-2, o-2 and 1-2 counts to ultimately throw 18 pitches

      • beelicker

        2nd inning they helped him out making 2 outs on 3 strikes, which must have then obviously disoriented him lol

  17. JB

    Brewers have San Francisco this weekend. A good week and weekend to make a move and close the gap a little bit.

  18. Indy Red Man

    I’d like to see Schrock give India a day off fairly soon or Moose/Senzel. India was cooling off a little bit then he had that 2 hr game in NY, but since then he’s 1-9 with 5 Ks. Rookies can burn out quicker without rest

    • JB

      I would not be surprised he gets the day off when Senzel/Moose come back. I’m not even sure when was the last day he had off. Seems like it’s been awhile.

  19. Bet on Red

    I am begining to think the under may have been in order today….. Prove me wrong reds.

  20. Jim t

    Is it just me or does it seem like every twin hitter has had success against the reds?

    • VaRedsFan

      I don’t think Arraez has ever made an out.

  21. Mark Moore

    New streak starting right here.

  22. Roger Garrett

    Reds will get to their starter.May take the second time around but they will get him.Just can’t help him out.Make him throw strikes.He also kind of pitches backwards and I am sure they know this.

    • Mark Moore

      Yeah … just have to be patient.

    • Roger Garrett

      Guy is throwing 90 by us?May be sneaky fast tonight.

  23. Mark Moore

    So the Twinkie’s have a team of All-Stars, right? Asking for a friend …

  24. Roger Garrett

    Mahle’s velocity is down and again way to many pitches.

  25. Mark A Verticchio

    Just because of pitch count, if nothing else, Mahle may be the weakest starter right now.

  26. Indy Red Man

    5 days off and he’s throwing 92 in the 3rd inning? He throws 70% fbs so 92-93 isn’t going to work? Why does this happen so often with him? 95-97 some nights and 92-93 the next? Get Cessa ready. We can’t blow these games.

  27. Mark Moore

    That’ll get the runs back and then some.

  28. Melvin

    Just never know in baseball. Bottom coming through. 🙂

  29. VaRedsFan

    Geno hits one out to RF….
    I say this every time, but I know he will try to pull every pitch the next 20 ABs

  30. Arthur

    Bombs away!! Geno and Tucker!!

    C’mon guys – let’s make this an Amir Garret or Sean Doolittle game – one where we are ahead by about 7 heading into the 9th.

    • JB

      It will have to be at least 7 for those 2 bums.

  31. Bet on Red

    They have figured something out with Madea. Turned into a bombing run

  32. Indy Red Man

    Good offspeed pitcher and Geno sucks on offspeed, but we’ll take it! Tucker too!! I’d keep Mahle on a short leash if he can’t amp it up to 94-95

  33. Arthur

    Geno goes deep to RF and Winker doubles to LF.

    If those boys continue to use all fields,. watch out.

  34. Dennis Westrick

    Mahle’s pitching is nothing short of maddening! 0-2 and 1-2 counts turn into nail-biting full counts far too often!

    • dhmorgan

      Yep. We’re due for a lot of bullpen today.

    • Arthur

      He almost never throws a strike on 0-2 or 1-2. If he does throw one in the zone, it’s by accident.

  35. Old-school

    This is a good offense and Castellanos isnt here

    They just need pitching to hold twins to 4 runs and its easy 2 wins

  36. Dennis Westrick

    Again, had leadoff batter at 1-2, went to a full count and then threw up a meatball for a leadoff double!

  37. Bet on Red

    The three reds on rehab first at bat all produce outs. Some minor league shortstop hits a HR.

    • Roger Garrett

      Dude is just going to force his way up here isn’t he.I liked him as the starter way back in the beginning and didn’t’ even care if he hit a lick cause I just love the young guys getting to play.

      • Arthur

        What can Barrero do that he hasn’t already done at Louisville that will get him called up??

        Seriously – what more can the young man do??

    • Mark Moore

      Barrero is a fun guy to watch. He’s on a complete tear.

      • RedAlert

        Reds Front office is lost !!!! Out to lunch …

        No more to prove at that level

    • Mark Moore

      Lopez just cranked one out as well.

      • JB

        But but but he is to small to hit one out..

      • Bet on Red

        hey hey now. Only one guy gets the triple But treatment

    • MCT

      Today I was checking out his stats on and I immediately thought that the Reds need to bring this kid up. I’m excited to see him come back to the bigs.

  38. MCT

    Why is Shrock starting in RF over Aquino?

    • Mark Moore


    • beelicker

      And lefty batterer against RHP … that’s an easy answer

  39. Dennis Westrick

    Mahle slightly under his normal 20 pitches per inning with 70 pitches thru 4 innings! May get 5 innings out of him tonight! Shocker!

  40. MCT

    Maeda’s got that split-finger pitch working. The boys gotta lay off now or he’ll keep using it.

  41. Roger Garrett

    Maeda righted the ship in a hurry and struck out the side.

  42. Dennis Westrick

    By comparison. Kent Maeda at 54 pitches thru 4 after striking out the side! Yes, Suarez was one of those strikeouts! Gotta give Suarez props on the home run in his previous at bat!

    • Bet on Red

      Yea, in general, a Suarez HR is going to get me off his back for the rest of that particular game

  43. RojoB

    Full Count Mahle making me nervous…

    • Mark Moore

      Mr. Mahle Won’t Throw Strikes

      Or …

      Mr. Mahle Avoids Contact

      Or …

      Mr. Mahle Blows His Pitch Count

      Take your pick

      • Roger Garrett

        How about D all of the above Mark.

  44. Reddawg2012

    It’s kind of remarkable how Mahle goes to a 3-2 count on virtually every hitter. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen anything like it.

  45. Roger Garrett

    Hit by the pitcher and a one out walk.Need a DP bad right now.r

  46. Bet on Red

    ok so the Over bet is looking better and better now a reds comeback will secure it

  47. Roger Garrett

    Just awful and you could see it coming all game long.A hit by the pitcher and a walk then a bomb.First two just can’t happen.Now we must use the pen for 4 innings and mount a comeback so why not.Just never comes easy for this team yet we love them so.Go Reds.

  48. Dennis Westrick

    As always a walk precedes the HR! Need a comeback win here! Can’t count on the Pie Rats to win a game until they face the Reds! Mahle’s pitching approach is bewildering to say the least!

  49. Indy Red Man

    Mahle every time now. Why is he all the way to the left of the rubber? How are you going to jam righties from there or get your slider to start on the plate and end up darting away? Jeez??? He drives me nuts. He’s got talent, but HRs with guys on base almost every start now

    • Indy Red Man

      His sliders from the far left of the rubber are completely useless! They’re never on the plate so its just a waste pitch? Vlad might be better then him? Frustrating because I bet on them tonite

    • Dennis Westrick

      Nuts? I feel like an extra in One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest!

  50. Old-school

    Mahle threw that high fastball exactly where tucker barnhart had his glove

    Maybe tucker isnt a good game caller

    Luis castillo liked curt castiilo

    • Roger Garrett

      Yeah 93 at the top of the zone goes a long way

    • beelicker

      It was in the strikezone when it should have been up another 6 inches out of the zone … not Mahle’s MO … Barnhart can’t hold his glove that far up lol

  51. Roger Garrett

    Memo to Reds dugout.If it start low it is a splitter so don’t swing please.Four in a row and eight in the game.

  52. Bet on Red

    Inda Yes Sir…. Clear that OVER the wall

    • Bet on Red

      yes that is a double entente… also that is a two-run HR because Shogo got on base so good for him

    • Mark Moore

      Bounced off the façade on the 2nd deck, didn’t it?

    • Bet on Red

      yes at least the sign…. but it also means the over of 9 has been hit as well

  53. JB

    Did somebody say India needed to sit a game? Lol

  54. Indy Red Man

    Dish switched over to some mma fights for some reason? Ok? I see we got the lead back!! Get Mahle out of there. He drives me nuts.

    • beelicker

      Took ’em long enough to switch back!

      • Indy Red Man

        Yeah we’re back! Cessa time or maybe Lorenzen for 2 innings I hope? No Hoffman, Doolittle, or something stupid please.

  55. RojoB

    Street Fight has begun

    Trading punches

  56. Dennis Westrick

    Mahle out! Where’s Sal Romano when we need him?

  57. MCT

    What in the world was that third strike call? Several inches off the plate.

    • beelicker

      Make up call for the previous pitch would be my guess … catcher skillfully barked … pitch #1 was real close the same place also a ball

      • Mark Moore

        Again … it’s the variance as the game progresses that really irks me. Bad and consistent is a little easier pill to swallow. Bad and wildly variable is not.

  58. Indy Red Man

    I still don’t know what Tucker was calling on that 3 run hr though? 0-1 count and the ump is giving extra room on the corners so why are you calling for a high fastball with a righty power hitter? Stupid. Mahle also can’t get anything else over the plate vs righties except the heater so they just sit on 1 pitch.

    • beelicker

      You gotta think they wanted it higher at almost 94 … but at o-1 Mahle puts it in the zone as is his habit… just a bad pitch, sort of against type

  59. Bet on Red

    alright, Medea is out as well now. Let’s get to the bullpen

  60. Indy Red Man

    Huge save by Tucker on the ball in the dirt. If that bounces away 8 feet its tied

    • Mark Moore

      Yep. He boxed it in well and saved a run. Then held on to the tip for the K.

  61. Dennis Westrick

    Way to leave ’em stranded Cessa! Crooked number time for the good guys!

  62. Dennis Westrick

    Mahle needs to go to the bullpen to “work things out”!

    • Melvin

      If/when the Reds make it to the playoffs Mahle could be a key bullpen piece…maybe.

  63. Mark A Verticchio

    Naquin is really hurting right now, needs to sit some.

  64. Mark Moore

    No excuse for Naquin leaving his bat on his shoulder on that one. No excuse whatsoever.

    • Indy Red Man

      He had a big game on Sunday, but July was brutal. He’s never played this much in his life. He’ll be getting time off soon

    • beelicker

      Agreed … he swung at the 2nd pitch was a ball there even more inside and let that strike 3 alone

  65. Old-school

    Naquin is all or none and mostly none.
    His stats are inflated in blowouts.
    He’s been good in 10 games and awful in 80.
    Went 2 homers and 7 rbi in a 14-2 win over pirates
    3 run bomb against cards up 7-2
    4 hits another game in a blow out.

    I’m done with the Naquin Shogo nonsense. Naquin is a fringe player. Shogo is a joke. Aquino might not be the answer but how he sits behind those 2 is beyond me.

    • Indy Red Man

      I don’t get it either. He’s never played this much and yet Bell plays him everyday since Nick got hurt. He’s a solid player, but not a full-time starter

    • Melvin

      Not beyond David Bell evidently. lol SMH

  66. Dennis Westrick

    Sir StrandsALot strikes again!

    • Mark Moore

      How many does he lead the league by again?

  67. Dennis Westrick

    So, Cessa throws 11 pitches and can’t throw another inning?

    • Mark Moore

      Tinker’s rules, Dennis. You know that by now.

      • Dennis Westrick

        I know! Bur had to poll the audience!

      • Indy Red Man

        Well I think they’re playing 20 games in a row so I’m sure Bell doesn’t want to burn a guy out for the next 2 games, but we’re always squeaking out a close lead and we need wins now….not tomorrow.

  68. Mark Moore

    Nice 1-2-3 Mikey. Now go hit the showers because you just KNOW Tinker won’t let him go 2. Even if he needed him to hit, he still wouldn’t.

    • Arthur

      The Eleventh Commandment.

      Thou shalt not permit thy relievers to get more than three outs. Though shalt not permit thy reliever to pitch, sit in the dugout, and then return to the mound under any circumstances, lest his pitching arm be smitten from his body.

  69. MCT

    Does Bell let Lorenzen hit for himself? I’m not sure I’d risk it.

    • VaRedsFan

      What’s the risk?
      He wouldn’t be pitching with a gimpy hammy.
      He’s 100%

      • MCT

        Risk of re-injury. But I guess I’m more superstitious than the average baseball fan.

  70. beelicker

    Straight platoon … he’s not gonna start vs RHP when there’s 2 other LH OFs to choose from

    • Indy Red Man

      Thats stupid though. Shogo has zero HRs and will never hit one in mlb. Naquin was horrible in July and isn’t good defensively either. Aquino saved Mahle 3-5 runs last time or the Cubs would’ve bombed him too

      • Old-school

        Honestly though- naquin is 5x better than the girls softball slap hitter

        Shogo isnt an mlb player

  71. Bet on Red

    don’t want Mikey on the bases running risking another Hammy injury

  72. Indy Red Man

    Reds OF defensive runs saved vs average

    Nick -6
    Wink -6
    Naquin -7
    Shogo -1
    AA +1

    • Arthur

      Of those 5, which 3 have played the lion’s share of innings??

      Let me help you out on that – they combine for a total of -19 runs saved.

    • Melvin

      When you consider everything, there is only one better all around outfielder on the roster than Aquino – Lorenzen.

      • Luke J

        I hope that’s a joke. Because -6 runs defensively per the average for Winker and Castellanos is more than made up for with runs produced compared to the average. Aquino is nowhere near that level of all around player. Quit fooling yourself.

      • Melvin

        We’re talking defense here big guy.

  73. Melvin

    I guess we’re in the, “Let’s keep trying a new pitcher until we find one having an off night” again mode.

    • Arthur

      Oh man, I have said that for 2 years!!!!

      If a guy throws effectively, we have to get him out right away. It’s like we have to burn our way they the bullpen until we find a guy who isn’t throwing well – and we leave THAT guy in long enough to blow the game.

    • Melvin

      Well, it looks like Bell may have found him. Don’t worry though. AG is warming up in case we get in too much trouble. SMH

  74. Old-school

    Bell spending 4 innings trying to find the new guy who isn’t ready to pitch that day instead of winning

  75. Arthur

    I think he wants to make sure that all of his pitchers will be able to pitch tomorrow’s game. Like that’s more important than winning TONIGHT’S game. If one guy pitched 2-3 innings, for sure he couldn’t pitch for 2-3 days. But the remainder of the pen would be very well rested.

    Now – who pitches the 9th?? Please don’t tell me it’s “Homer” Hembree.

    • Melvin

      LIke I said above, we have 9 relief pitchers. We need all of them for tomorrow? Hmm

  76. Indy Red Man

    Givens throw was blocked by the fat lump of goo called an umpire. Too fat to get out of the adjective way? Just get on the ground and let the man throw the ball!

  77. Indy Red Man

    DUmb bovine dropping of an ump could’ve backed up or moved forward and we probably turn 2 there or atleast get the lead runner for sure.

    Then Givens hits the zone on a 2-1 pitch….no call

  78. Old-school

    Start the Recap headline

    Bullpen blows it yet again after Bell throws 5 guys desperately trying to find the guy who isnt on that night because no one is allowed to pitch more than 3 outs

    • Indy Red Man

      Yeah but you get to the 9th anyway and most would take Givens over HH

      Double adjective Play!!!!! Yeahhhhh baby

  79. Mark A Verticchio

    Well looks like Bell has found his man. If you keep going to the pen enough, who knows what will happen?

  80. Mark Moore

    We play the Metros as tough as nails and then come home and do this?

    C’mon, Man!!!

  81. Melvin

    Bailed out by a DP. Very thankful. 🙂

  82. Bet on Red

    Believed in you the whole time Micheal. Now get a few more insurance runs

  83. Mark Moore

    Double play to save the day (or at least the inning).

    We need some crooked numbers here. Then I wonder who gets the 9th.

    • Melvin

      HH for two and then Doolittle. haha….Let’s hope not. 🙂

  84. MCT

    If that wasn’t a butt-clencher of an inning, I don’t know what is.

  85. Indy Red Man

    Whats the expectations of an ump on that comebacker to Givens? He was definitely in the way so much that Farmer told Givens to just take the out at 1B. Its a dp otherwise. If the man moves forward or just gets on the ground then the Reds turn two, but he just stands there and forces us to go to 1B.

    • Mark Moore

      The ump will NEVER drop to the ground. He’s supposed to get out of the way, but since he is “dirt” by rule if he got drilled with a throw it wouldn’t matter.

      • Indy Red Man

        Are they supposed to stand on the grass there to begin with? If he’s behind 2B then he doesn’t affect the play at all. Instead he almost cost us the game there. The hitter wasn’t running at all or slipped in the box or something. Easy dp

  86. Old-school

    Very lucky double play

    Cant live like that against Josh donaldson

    Will pay that back to baseball luck very soon

    • Indy Red Man

      True, but the ball was almost 100% in the strike zone on the 2-1 to Sano, but the ump missed it. Calls India out on a ball 4 inches outside, but can’t see the ball when its right in front of him. Sano’s not walking much on 2-2. He’s a hacker

  87. Mark A Verticchio

    Need a big inning from Hembree, hopefully 1-2-3.

      • RedsMonk65

        There it is. Need 2 more with Polanco up.

  88. VaRedsFan

    Don’t put a runner on HH, or DoDo comes in

    • Melvin

      Hahaha! You guys kill me sometimes..

  89. Old-school

    Heath hembree is our closer down 7 games in august ?

    Thats a rolaids reliever for sure

    • Alan Horn

      Hemree scares me. He doesn’t look to have a lot of stuff. 2 teams cut him and he winds up the Red’s closer. We will need a closer next season. Are there any top FA closers available in the off season?

  90. Mark Moore

    Do we have to walk the lead-off man out of professional courtesy when the game is close? Asking for a friend …

  91. Melvin

    A leadoff walk. We all love that. The more drama the better. smh

  92. Indy Red Man

    Here we go? HH is the closer til September or whenever Antone comes back. It doesn’t matter that 3-4 guys are better then him.

  93. RedAlert

    Throw the ball over the plate !!!!!!

  94. Jim t

    I’m sorry but I just don’t see closer stuff from HH

    • RedAlert

      David Bell and his stupid bullpen antics – nobody pitches more than an inning – sick of it !!!!!

      • Arthur

        All of our effective relievers are now out of the game.

        But everyone is able to pitch tomorrow!! And that seems to be all that matters.

    • Melvin

      He was just the best we had for a time. He ain’t the best we got anymore.

  95. Mark Moore

    Kind of thinking we may need to set up a GoFundMe for Dennis’ heart pills.

  96. Old-school

    I feel bad for Nick Kirby

    Hes got like 3 endings to prepare for.

    Gut wrenching loss

    Lucky ulcer win

    And drawn out who knows extra innings

  97. RedAlert

    Well here comes another blown loss – imagine that

  98. JB

    Please Lord just kill me now. It’s easier than watching this bullpen .

  99. Mark A Verticchio

    Hembree should not be the closer anymore 2 or 3 others are better choices.

    • RedsMonk65

      Like Lorenzen…though he’s out for tonight.

  100. Melvin

    Brach is up now. That’s comforting.

  101. Indy Red Man

    Well Lorenzen and all the new guys have put up nothing but zeroes and Bell is still going to blow games with our pen. Its too bad.

    If Cessa goes 2 then Givens could’ve closed. Givens is better then HH at this point in HHs career and everyone should know that. Your eyes tell you that as well as the numbers

  102. Old-school

    Heath hembree aint the answer

    Just david bell never committing to a win and always handing off to someone else

    This is david Bell typical game

    Cant commit to anything

  103. Indy Red Man

    We’re at home and yet the same pitch is a K to India, but not with their guys. Cmon???

  104. Jim t

    Milwaukee’s Houser is no hitting the Pirates through 6

  105. LDS

    Just checked in on the game. Bell still doing the one and reliever strategy and Mr. Homer as closer. And Bell, like Suarez, will be back tomorrow to screw up another game. The Reds would be in first place if Suarez was having even an average year and Bell was somewhere else.

    • Luke J

      3 games in a row where Suarez hits .333, and had a 2 run homer tonight and you still come in every article to bash him. Are you secretly in love with him or something?

      • LDS

        No but apparently you are. A home run every few days is insufficient. He’s statistically the worst player in MLB and thinking he’ll hit himself out of it is just stupid. Results matter and he’s not delivering

  106. Indy Red Man

    Cessa can only go 11 pitches with a 2 something era, but HH can throw 30 with a 4.50 era

    Alrighty then

  107. RedsMonk65

    I have a bad feeling about this

  108. Roger Garrett

    Its just silly to watch this stuff.Bell just doesn’t have a clue.He pulled HH the other which was a real confidence builder and then goes right back to him again as if to say what?He either is the guy or not.I am just so tired of lets find out who doesn’t have it tonight play time.

  109. Indy Red Man

    Pads bombing Oakland 4-0. We need this one!!

    • Melvin

      We need EVERY game. That’s what we’re trying to get across to Mr. Bell.

  110. Old-school

    David hernandez part 2

    Flip a coin

    • Old-school

      Hopefully its april hernadez and not august hernadez

  111. Mark Moore

    This deep in the count, is HH going to face another batter no matter what the outcome (aside from a DP)?

  112. Gpod

    Some things never change with this bullpen

  113. RedAlert

    This is stupidity at its finest …. no words


  114. Mark Moore

    That’s it. Good night. Not even worth watching whatever happens next.

  115. RedsMonk65

    There it is.

    Why? Just why?

    I’m going to bed….

  116. LDS

    This inning demonstrates that all of Bell’s ideas about L/R matchups and pitch counts are really meaningless when he wants to throw a game. Which he just did. Someone here want to defend Bell tonight?

  117. Melvin

    Still want to tell me Bell doesn’t mishandle his bullpen anyone? it wouldn’t matter if he had FOURTEEN relievers I think.

  118. Indy Red Man

    I hope they fire Bell. I can’t defend him anymore. Everyone saw it coming. Bell never comes out personally and talks to the pitcher in these situations. I’d say the guy has seen everything you have twice so just throw a changeup away and if he walks then its on me. Brach can try to get a dp or a K or something. Or atleast keep the game tied

  119. Jim t

    Absolutely no reason for this guy to be closing games with the bullpen additions we made . I truly wish one of the TV crew would ask Bell what his logic is

  120. Tim

    Worst half inning of the year. Hembree doesn’t have it. 4 seven plus pitch batters to a 3 banger in a must win game.

  121. Arthur

    “Homer” Hembree has now allowed 19 HR in his last 57 innings pitched over the last two seasons.

    Absolutely no one should be surprised by this.

    Or by the fact that the Reds looked at a man who has failed so consistently for so long a time and said “Here’s our new closer!”

  122. VaRedsFan

    Bell defenders will forget all about the last 3 losses….smh

  123. Gpod

    Gut punch after gut punch….no excuse for walking guys with a 1 run lead ….INEXCUSABLE!!!

  124. Bet on Red

    I am not completely mad. WIth that HR I am going to win a good 60 dollars on a Hit every inning bet. Not surprised. Hembree’s days as a closer are probably over. SHould start seeing Mikey or Givins in Closer situations soon

    • Arthur

      Hembree should never have been put in the position of closer. He is a HR waiting to fly out of the park.

  125. Old-school

    Fire David Bell

    Season ended today

    Bell cant manage a bullpen and has lost game after game rotating his guys as if all are equal

    Reds season is over!!!!

  126. JA

    Mr Kirby:
    It’s unnaceptable to write a headline saying the BP blowed another game.

    It should say the management of BP found another way to blow up a game.

  127. Indy Red Man

    16 games now they’ve led after 5 or later and lost. No team can make the playoffs after that bs? We’re not even 2/3 thru the season til after tomorrows game

    12 scoreless innings from Lorenzen and the new guys and Bell still can’t figure it out.

    Then he’ll mumble his way thru his explanation. Sounds like a 5th grader with the low volume while trying to explain something stupid they did on the playground.

    • Indy Red Man

      Its on Mahle and Tucker too. That 3 run hr was completely stupid. They had a lefty on deck and an 0-1 count.

  128. Roger Garrett

    What a dumb manager?Almost like the had to prove he was right by pulling him the other night in New York.Just an idiot.I won’t be back watching,listening or checking in until Bell is gone.So maybe in 2023.No excuses for this guy.Players have to battle against the other team and there own manager night after night after night.

  129. Bet on Red

    Justin Wilson is another name that needs to be seen pitching more. Yeah, his ERA is high, but it dropped nearly a point thanks to back-to-back scoreless outings. That’s likely a single bad outing with not a lot of opportunities, which, Judging by the Yankees Bullpen sounds about right

    • RedAlert

      come home to GABP and start choking again

      Nice work with the bullpen once again Bell .. complete lunacy

  130. Mark A Verticchio

    Any fool could see that Hembree didn’t have it but not Bell. His managing of the bull pen is beyond bad. Hembree had no control of his fastball and that was obvious to all. Oh well another loss 81/2 And 5 out I am afraid it is getting to late.

  131. Stoney

    Lorenzon has thrown nothing but strikes and throws hard. Quite sure he could handle jack cave and the rest. Try something different!

  132. vared

    From Lance McAlister twitter:

    Hembree 9th:
    Last Monday: BB, BB, HBP
    Last Thursday: HR
    Saturday: BB, WP
    Tonight: BB, BB, HR
    Yea. Keeping pitching him in 9th.

  133. jctrum

    I wanna be mad at HH, but he did a job we needed when times were tough, and I do like his stuff, just looked like he was off tonight. It’s a different game too if our starter goes a bit longer, and gives up a bit less runs. David Bell gave the offense a chance to pad the lead with quality relievers keeping the score tied. We can all be mad that HH blew it, but it’s not like it was an ideal save situation for him to work in. That, though, can be on Bell.

  134. Dennis Westrick

    As usual, walks preceded the HR! Sickening!

  135. Gpod

    I can hear Bell now: “he’ll be back out there and get many more opportunities to save games for us…this is just a blip on an otherwise great season he’s had” blah blah blah ….seen it & heard it before, in the meantime the season goes down the toilet

    • Roger Garrett

      Bell pulled him Saturday needing 1 out and he goes back to him needing 3.Nobody would do that to a guy you want to close?Then leave him in to throw 34 pitches including let him pitch to a guy after he gives up a 3 run homer.Nobody does stuff like that to a pitcher or to his team.

      • RojoB

        I hear Kenny Rogers singing, “But (he) believes in me…I’ll never know just what (he) sees in me…”

        The warm feels must be permeating the clubhouse. “I mean sure Hembree isn’t a closer, and all our hearts sank when the first two got on in the 9th—but look how much Skipper believes in him! What a guy! Totally makes up for it!”

    • RojoB

      On the radio The cowboy was not masking his disappointment at the stupid pitch selection that was going on between Hembree and Barnhart. Obvious that HH can’t control the FB, Cowboy says overthrowing Basically was saying that Hembree has no confidence in his stuff, is afraid to pitch in the zone with two strikes. He all but said that as he is right now, that HH has no business pitching in the ninth-inning.

      And that was BEFORE Polanco’s bomb

      If it’s obvious to a guy in the booth, why does Bell not see this?

      These players deserve a manger that can make much better decisions.

      Even if they come back and win, this has been a miserable miserable showing by the decision maker

  136. beelicker

    Ha! A wild Hauser took a 1oo pitch nono into the 7th but now 2 relievers in now Pittsburgh just took a 5-4 lead still in the 7th

    • Indy Red Man

      We’re not catching them. Be hard enough to catch SD

  137. Indy Red Man

    MORE BS???? 2-0 pitch to Geno outside and they get the call that HH couldn’t get?

  138. Melvin

    Hahah Votto is over there with his eyes closed praying

  139. MCT

    Well, maybe the Minnesota bullpen is just as bad. You don’t achieve a .415 W% by being a good baseball team.

  140. Indy Red Man

    Anybody besides sorry posterior Freeman left?

  141. Melvin

    Well, better than a DP by Barnhart.

  142. Votto4life

    I hate to pile on David Bell but it is obvious he doesn’t know what he is doing. I am so tired of his quirky line ups, his “scheduled off days”, his endless double switches as if the goal is to make sure everyone gets into the game. Why in the world would use you use Tyler Stephenson (your best bat on bench) as a pinch hitter in 8th inning with two outs and no one on base?? I am tired of him putting arguably the worst hitter in the major leagues in the line up night after night and I am tired of how his mishandles the bullpen.

    The Front office has a lot of work to do this coming off season. I really think their first step should be replacing David Bell.

    • RojoB

      “ Why in the world would use you use Tyler Stephenson (your best bat on bench) as a pinch hitter in 8th inning with two outs and no one on base??”

      This is actually my vote for stupidest move of the game—and that’s saying a lot

    • RedAlert

      Replacing Bell should be priority # 1 period . He stinks at managing .

      • RojoB

        Agreed. This team has a core now. Time to go for the big fish like when Cubs got Madden, for example.

  143. Melvin

    First and BIGGEST step….He’s just NOT a winner.

  144. dhmorgan

    Too typical for the Reds.
    The tying runs on. No outs.
    Then nothing. End of game.
    Sad. Very sad.

    • RojoB

      This loss is NOT on the Reds 9th inning offense

  145. LDS

    It’s time to quit thinking Bell can’t manage a bullpen and to start asking what his agenda is. It’s also time to quit pretending that the Reds are an analytics team. No numbers support Bell’s decisions, e.g. pitching substitutions, lineups, etc. Bottom line, the Reds have more talent than their record and no management from the field to the penthouse.

  146. Indy Red Man

    Every time this team gets rolling, Bell and the pen bury us just as quickly. Almost every loss is the same bs. We rarely get beatdown. They have a solid team, but Bell just can’t figure it out.

    The buck stops with you so come out and talk to the pitcher in spots like that. The game is on the line. I don’t get him at all?

  147. Old-school

    Thanks doug indy roger rojo mark

    David bell is the wrong manager and bob castellini is the wrong owner

    Im taking a week off . This team
    Had a chance

    • RojoB

      I took about 10 days off after they got swept out of the AS break. Thought it was safe to come back and then NYM game two and this one

      I’m with you I was happier on my “break”.

      And before the trolls start pounding like “it’s only a game chill!” Let me say I realize it’s only a game and that is what I am going to chill

      • Indy Red Man

        My Colts are already finished and training camp just started. You can’t let it bug you too much or your life is just not full enough

      • RojoB

        @IRM Yep when it gets in the way of real life I know I gotta reign it in lol

  148. Eddie

    Come on how long is bell gonna keep pitchers in when struggling. Hem blown another save for us was so out of gas lately he seems pitching as if he is afraid of hitters lately. Bell had brad throwing but no changed. We had two on base no outs yet could not capitalized on that. Our chances to catch up to padres and brewers getting smaller when we keep losing to ball team that on a losing end of their season. I’m getting annoyed seeing these management calls this year. I hope we can turn things around ugh

  149. RojoB

    But Bell believes in his players he listens to them he’s got their back yada yada

  150. Indy Red Man

    Cessa has went 2-3 innings 8 times this year with 17.1 inning total and 2 er (1.04 era)

    If Bell pushes him 2 then Givens gets the save and we win. All those guys have era’s half of HHs era

  151. Gpod

    Whoever crowned HH as the reds closer….please tell me that ? seriously would accept not winning another game this season if that would get rid of Bell

    • Indy Red Man

      Well believe it or not, he was 8 out of 9 in save opportunities and he was all they had before, but he’s been scored on in 4 straight games now

  152. LDS

    When Nick writes up tonight’s game, please don’t characterize it as the bullpen blew another game. Bell blew the game. HemBree threw 34 pitches, more than Cessa, Lorenzen, and Wilson combined. DFA Hembree and fire Bell. Otherwise forget the rest of the season.

  153. Dennis Westrick

    Devastating loss against a weak team! Another BP meltdown with a huge assist by Bell’s idiotic “RP-an-inning” approach! Major league relief pitchers are fully capable of pitching more than one (1) inning! Bell has obviously not figured that out or is so obstinate he won’t adjust! Don’t know how much more I can take of this insanity from Bell.

  154. DataDumpster

    David Bell is like the guy who has to clean his dinner plate regardless of what is on it, what it looks like, and how long it has been sitting there. Amidst considerable doubt, Nick Krall put forth 3 new relievers of decent quality considering the money being spent. The long last Lorenzen has returned and all four of them have pitched flawless relief thus far. But, David Bell still insists on using Doolittle, Hembree and Brach as if the help asked for only allows more pitchers to share an inning each of merriment instead of any serious change of strategy. By my count the Reds have now won 5 of the last 8 games while Bell’s bullpen fiasco’s have lost the other three.
    We have the players, we don’t have a manager. Is the Bell “legacy” so invaluable that we are risking a potential championship run in the next 2-3 years by continuing on this path.

    • Indy Red Man

      Bell is the type of guy that his wife tells him stuff over and over, but he’s just in his own world. Then she cheats on him or divorces him and he’s totally blindsided because he was never paying attention.

      When relievers are throwing 23-24-25 pitches in an inning then you need to go get them. Its not ending well. Or atleast a guy of HHs caliber

    • RojoB

      “ By my count the Reds have now won 5 of the last 8 games while Bell’s bullpen fiasco’s have lost the other three.
      We have the players, we don’t have a manager. Is the Bell “legacy” so invaluable that we are risking a potential championship run in the next 2-3 years by continuing on this path.”


  155. kevinz

    Tough Loss need to move on Quickly.
    Still believe in this club.
    Onto tomm.
    Go reds.

    • Indy Red Man

      I believe in the club, but Bell can overcome their slight talent advantage. If you make Dusty look good then you’ll never win a playoff series. Bell can’t beat Arizona or Minnesota so thats all we need to know

  156. LGR

    All bullpen thoughts aside, if they Dodgers can bench Bellinger, the Reds can bench Suarez. Surely.

    • Indy Red Man

      I didn’t know that. Interesting!

      Don’t forget to pile on Mahle tonite as well! He SUCKED!!! He gave up a ton of ropes in Chicago and it was a miracle he didn’t give up 4-5 runs in that one. He was 1 guy away from atleast 5 innings and a 2 run lead, but made a stupid pitch. The ump is giving you room on the corner so take it? And don’t throw high fastballs to righties unless its to jam them

    • Luke J

      Wrong game to bash Suarez. Try again tomorrow.

      • LGR

        Never a wrong game to bash a guy hitting .175 with the most AB’s on the team. Solo home run or not.

  157. Daniel Dravot

    I am now convinced the Reds are done.

    The mismanagement of the bullpen isn’t going to end, and they’re plagued by closers who cannot get three outs.

    Walks to good teams are suicidal, but walks to cruddy teams are just plain stupid.

    I’m too old to subject myself to the un-ending failures by the bullpen.

    The Reds need clutch, but they just don’t have it.

    • Indy Red Man

      The Reds have really only been beaten like 4 times in the past month. Its blown leads every stinking time. Its too much to take

      • RojoB

        That’s four wins they’d like to have i’m sure

  158. J

    Has anyone ever heard any sort of explanation from Bell as to why his relievers are all incapable of pitching more than one inning? Do reporters ever ask him to explain, or would this be considered rude?

    • RojoB

      You nailed it. It’s been discussed a lot in other threads. Cincinnati media are scared to lose their relationship with the teams. If they make them mad then they’ll get shut out and nit be able to do their reporting well and get fired.

      So only softball questions. The other day Jim Day wet himself asking Bell about Doolittle in game two in NY. And only one other guy asked again.

      The answer Bell gave was so otherworldly vapid that no one will dare ask again. It was too painful lol

  159. RojoB

    Whoever has the wrap up is

    A) in major rewrites, and
    B) waiting for us all to vent here so the wrap up thread isn’t so polluted! 😛

  160. RedsGettingBetter

    This is the way of Reds to lose heartbreaking games after the trade deadline: Fight the game and reach a 1 or 2-run lead in the 5th or 6th inning , bring Cessa, Lorenzen and Givens until 8th to hold the win but blow it away in 9th or after that…All of this because they have not a f* king closer! …Wait for Sims and Antone? Huh! could be late…

  161. Fanman

    Eugenio leads MLB with most hr. in last 2 plus seasons. Another blast last night to share team lead. Plays really good defense at third! Go Reds!