Tonight the Cincinnati Reds hope to post their fifth consecutive win in game two of the current series versus the New York Mets at Citi Field in New York City. However the even bigger story may be that Joey Votto can tie the MLB record of 8 consecutive games with a home run. Game time is 7:10 Eastern.

Starting Pitchers

This game will feature a match up of of vintage lefthanders, Wade Miley for the Reds and Rich Hill for Mets.

Wade Miley

Wade Miley makes his 18th start of the season tonight for the Reds. Miley emerged as the unlikely foundation of the Reds rotation early in the season. He hasn’t looked back or fallen off all season long. His seasonal ERA/FIP comparison of 2.86/3.48 suggests perhaps Miley has been a tad on the good side of luck this year. However, just maybe a guy who has been around as long as Miley makes some of his own luck?

Miley comes at batters with a variety of pitch actions over a wide range of velocities. His intent is to disrupt the hitters’ timing. About half his pitches have been cut fastballs (85MPH) and another 25% of them changeups (82 MPH). He fills out his repertoire predominately with his 4 seam fastball (18%/ 90 MPH) and just enough curves and sliders (5% combined) to keep the batters guessing. And it works. In 2021, about 60% of balls put in play by hitters versus Miley have been grounders (~50%) or  infield popups (~10%).

Rich Hill

Yes, Rich Hill starting tonight for the Mets is the same guy who has been rumored to be a Reds trade or free agent target time and again since probably 2005 or so. Hill, now 41 years old, was originally drafted by the Reds out of high school (1999/ 36th round). However, he chose to attend college versus signing with the them. As I count it, the Mets are Hill’s eighth MLB team. The Mets acquired Hill from Tampa Bay just a week ago to shore up their injury riddled rotation. Tonight will be his second start for them on the heels of 19 starts for Tampa this year.

Hill came up in 2005 as a fastball/curveball pitcher. That is what he remains today after 312 MLB appearances (184 starts). His fastball has never been much if any over 90MPH; and, it remains at 89MPH this year. He throws it about 50% of the time. Hill throws his curve about 36% of the time in the low 70’s MPH range. Hill fills out with a split finger fastball used as his changeup along with the occasional slider or cutter.

Pitching Tale of the Tape

Wade Miley 2.86 3.48 1.24 0.67 7.3% 19.1%
Rich Hill 3.95 4.54 1.18 1.26 9.3% 22.4%

There’s not a lot to choose between these guys in the numbers aside from Miley keeping the ball in the yard at significantly better rate. It may be wise to keep in mind that the vast amount of Hill’s work this season has been  in the DH league.



Mychal Givens has appeared on consecutive days and threw 21 pitches Friday. Amir Garrett threw 26 pitches Friday. Count them both as questionable to unavailable tonight. Michael Lorenzen threw just 8 pitches to complete an inning in his first appearance off the IL.  The Reds might be cautious in how they use him tonight.


Anthony Banda, Miguel Castro and Drew Smith look borderline for Mets tonight. Starter Rich Hill’s longevity in 2021 is right at 5.0 innings per start. Things could get dicey for the Mets if the Reds can get him out early.

Starting Lineups

           REDS            METS
1. Jonathan India (2B)
2. Jesse Winker (LF)
3. Kyle Farmer (SS)
4. Joey Votto (1B)
5. Aristides Aquino (RF)
6. Eugenio Suarez (3B)
7. Tucker Barnhart (C)
8. Shogo Akiyama (CF)
9. Wade Miley (P)
1. Jonathan Villar (3B)
2. Pete Alonso (1B)
3. Jeff McNeil (2B)
4. Javier Baez (SS)
5. James McCann (C)
6. Dominic Smith (LF)
7. Kevin Pillar (CF)
8. Brandon Drury (RF)
9. Rich Hill (P)



How about this bit of ciphering by Redleg Nation’s Nick Kirby. The Reds are finishing out their seventh best month since 2003:

Final July Thoughts

The calendar says today is the last day of July. Regardless of what happens tonight, the Reds have won 16 games in a month where they will have played 26. That’s better than a .600 pace for the month already assured. Since June 1, the Reds are 31-21 (.596). That’s two months, just short of a third of a season. This team is not a fluke.

With the schedule taking a turn to the Reds favor in the final third of the season, there is no reason the Reds cannot continue at or near this same winning pace. If the Reds finish out at at .600 over the final 2 months, they will be right at 90 wins for season. Will it be enough to get the Reds to the playoffs? Who knows? That’s why they play the games and we follow them. GO REDS!

Game Time: 7:10 EDT

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Data and stats courtesy of  Baseball Reference  and Fangraphs

393 Responses

  1. Old-school

    Win 90 games and if that isnt enough …so be it. Ill take 90-72 every year

    Go reds

    • Mark Moore

      90 wins would be sweet, especially knowing we didn’t go overboard on rentals and empty the farm system. So even if we don’t catch the Bernies and get that one-shot deal most likely on the West Coast, we can stand tall.

  2. Bet on Red

    So lste start due to Mets HOF ceremony

  3. RojoB

    In other news…more Brewers out with the virus

    They should not have broken Nick’s hand

  4. RedBB

    No Nimmo, Conforto or JD Davis…hmm. I’d be pissed if I’m a Mets fans. Course now that I’ve said that they’ll prolly route us.

  5. Mark Moore

    Watching the pre-game show. The stats on India since he got moved to the top of the order are almost staggering. He’s ranking up there across the NL, not just rookies. He is some kind of special.

    And to think we’ve got TySteve this year plus a few others coming on strong for 2022, this could be a fun time as Reds fans.

  6. Bet on Red

    Looks like they suspended the Louiville game last night and are finishing it today. Pulled all the Reds Rehabbers (prob to start them tongiht) So Senzel, Moose and Blandino all got a hit and Blandino walked as well. Suarez days are numbered

    • Mark Moore

      One can only hope. I think he’s a candidate for change of scenery.

  7. docproc

    Did I miss something–why didn’t they start at 7:10?

      • docproc

        Hey Mets, hold your dang ceremony at 6:30. Game time is 7:10–honor that.

  8. Melvin

    A .173 hitter batting 6th and a .191 hitter with virtually no power batting 8th doesn’t exactly inspire confidence but let’s win anyway. 🙂

    • Mark Moore

      I’ll take the slap hitter in the 8 hole. As for Sir Strandsalot … we’ve had our say on this site more than a few times. Apparently the FO doesn’t read it (or ignores us).

      • Melvin

        Can’t believe they would ignore US!

    • Jim t

      Suarez hitting 429 against Hill with a HR. Limited at bats

  9. Roger Garrett

    Hill against 6-9 ought to be fun to watch.We just don’t have enough righties and with Tuck catching well it is what it is.We have played this way many times so yeah lets win anyway.

  10. Mark Moore

    Oh the fans in Flushing are NOT happy with this challenge. Let’s see how it turns out. HBP would put India in the lead.

    • Mark Moore

      And he ran the count full to boot


    Most of reds outfielders are left handed (3/5) with AA and Nick C. (hurt) being Right handed. Shogo, Naquin, or Winker (2 have to play) against the LHP Hill tonight. Hope we can get Hill out of the game early. Go Reds!

  12. Bet on Red

    pretty sure the crowd thought India leaned in there.

  13. Mark Moore

    Winker gave that a ride … just a little short.

  14. Bet on Red

    Old Pitchers Proving why they are Old Pitchers tonight

  15. Melvin

    Broadcast said before that K that Suarez is hitting .157 since the break with one HR if I heard them right. Yikes! Bring on Moose and Senzel fast please.

    • Bet on Red

      both should be in tonight’s bats lineup… they are close

      • Bet on Red

        I lie, they are not in tonight’s lineup…. off the bench then

  16. ScreamingStrat

    Oh how I’d love the punisher to get going tonight, batting 5th and my man Farmer in the 3rd slot again tonight, keep it rolling brother! I won’t say anything that might jinx 19.

  17. Jeff Morris

    As soon as Moose and Senzel are good, get them in them in the lineup now! Sounding like a broken record, but Suarez hurting the Reds big time at the Plate!

    • Dennis Westrick

      And he is rewarded by moving up one spot in the batting order from 7th to 6th! More chances to be a rally killer!

      • Melvin

        Bell living in lala land when it comes to Suarez.

  18. Melvin

    Aki flashing power there. haha We’ll take anything. It’s okay.

  19. Mark Moore

    Hill kind of stumbled there. Classic swinging bunt.

  20. Bet on Red

    Well, at least Shogo ruined the no-hitter there. good thing I picked the Under

  21. Melvin

    We just can’t steal bases at all can we? Maybe should try more hit and runs.

  22. Dennis Westrick

    Need to get into the Mets bullpen sooner than later! They are overworked and possibly worse than the Reds bullpen!

  23. RedAlert

    Sadak : “Bell has made a lot of great decisions this year “

    Wow just wow

    Is this dude even paying attention to this year ? He is lost in the broadcast booth ,
    totally lost .

    • Dennis Westrick

      Which team has he been watching? Keep those checks coming!

    • LDS

      Probably Castellini talking to his broadcast partner – talk up Bell so the fan base doesn’t desert when Bell gets a 5 year extension

      • Indy Red Man

        Told you he’d suddenly get alot smarter though when he doesn’t have to pitch Brach, Osich, and Hendrix 4-5 times a week

    • Mark Moore

      Well, we all know he can’t say, “One of the few solid decisions by Bell was to put India at lead-off and keep him there.” Whether or not that’s what he’s thinking is anyone’s guess. Methinks he’s trying to keep this gig … far too often trying too hard IMO. But at least I haven’t heard him say my favorite pet peeve line of “caught the black” of late.

    • Jim t

      There 6 games over 500 with many injuries and virtually no bullpen for most of the season. Are you paying attention?

  24. Magnum 44

    I am not much of a complainer about the lineups I know Tucker is Mileys personal catcher but tonight is a perfect pitcher for Stephenson

    • Mark Moore

      Yep. TySteve has shown he’s got a great eye and sense of timing. He’ll go with a pitch and get whatever comes. Kind of rare these days.


    Wow the Mets have someone who can bunt, wish the Reds had a few that could.

    • Mark Moore

      And he hasn’t done it since he’s been with the Dodgers.


        Guess once you learn to do it, you don’t forget how. Guess the Reds could teach that a little more.

  26. Indy Red Man

    Shogo? Can’t hit. Can’t steal. Everytime he goes the ball is waiting on him. Oh and he can’t throw either. Gotta love the .0001 tool guys for $7-8/mil a year

  27. Roger Garrett

    Long way to go but everything we did in the top half of the inning was just awful.

  28. Arthur

    Once again – as an outfielder, Jess Winker would make a really good DH.

    Some people have mentioned Mr Votto assuming the role of DH next season. I say the only glove Winker needs to use is a batting glove.

    • Mark Moore

      I’ll cut him minor slack here because the broken bat turned that into a flair hit. Still, don’t boot it.

  29. Bet on Red

    What’s the usual protocol for Rehabbing players… I thought the idea would be to play them every day. Or are there rules that govern why none of the Rehabbers started tonight’s bats game

    • Mark Moore

      No rules that I’m aware of. Maybe they will sub in at some point?

  30. Dennis Westrick

    Sometimes better to be lucky than good! Did Alonso really hit into a DP on a 3-0 count?

  31. Melvin

    I think it’s safe to say Farmer has turned out better than most, if not all, thought he would be.

  32. Indy Red Man

    I don’t think the Reds have roughed up soft-tossing lefties since Gomes, Rolen, BP, and Hernandez (catcher….think that was his name).

    • Arthur

      Atta boy Geno!! Got all of that one

      If you really have to hit .170, make those few hits count.

  33. Melvin

    AA walks when Suarez is hitting behind him. Surprise. haha

      • Dennis Westrick

        Calling Suarez a Rally Killer worked! You’re welcome!

  34. Melvin

    All right! He got one! We’ll take it. hahaha

  35. Bet on Red

    WOW…. Just WOW right after even Sadak called him out

  36. RedsMonk65

    Suarez comes through for a change. Nice to see. Reds up 3-1.

  37. kevinz

    Tough season for Suarez.
    We all know it.
    But Big HR baby.
    Good Job Geno.

  38. Mark Moore

    That would NOT be the way I’d want to see TySteve come into this game.

  39. Bet on Red

    Akiyama Has had enough of your insults lol

  40. Roger Garrett

    Just may have been the biggest hit of the year.Great for him and the team.

  41. Melvin

    All Right! Our two interstate hitters coming through this inning. 🙂

  42. Mark Moore

    At best, we get another run or 2 here. At worst, we turn over the line up again.

  43. Dennis Westrick

    That’s 2 Reds hit by pitches! Will we ever retaliate?

    • Bet on Red

      OK India plainly leaned into his HBP and the reds knew it in the Dugout. I give Hill a little credit cause he was straight off the mound apologizing right after it happened.

      • Mark Moore

        I didn’t see him lean in. Looked like it clipped him as it curved around his back leg.

        The Tucker hit just got away from Hill.

      • JA

        If it’s not strike zone, it’s a hbp.

  44. Broseph

    Didn’t see the play, but with two outs and a pitcher up, why is Barnhart not being sent home on Shogo’s double?

    • Broseph

      And that’s why he should have been going on contact and trying for home on Shogo’s double, unless he feel or they tried throwing Barnhart out at third and it was really a single that they scored a double for Shogo, I’m lost.

    • Votto4life

      Mets CF cut the ball off. Would have been close play.

    • Melvin

      Barnhart is the slowest on the team even more than Winker or Votto.

    • Bet on Red

      No its a legit double, but the ball was already in when Tucker got to third. If house sent him. Miley would be leading off next inning

      • Mark Moore

        Yep. That’s what I saw as well BoR

  45. Votto4life

    Happy for Geno. Hopefully he will go on a tear now. I think he has had the Yips.

    • Dennis Westrick

      Hope you’re right! Most of us have been hoping for a breakout moment!

  46. LDS

    Akiyama doubles and Suarez homers instead of killing a rally. What alternate reality is this?

    • Indy Red Man

      Well Rich Hill is throwing Japanese league velocity. Shogo is used to 88-89 and breaking balls half the time.

  47. Arthur

    What is more surprising – Votto being 0-2, or Shogo being 2-2??

  48. Old-school

    Baez swinging out of his shoes
    Sit down

  49. Indy Red Man

    Welsh was criticizing Suarez’s swing for the first time that I can remember…..felt like he might do something. He does make his few smashs count atleast. That HR in Chicago ended up being the game winning rbi. Won one of the Cubs games in gabp when we swept them. Had that monster off Hader of course. The problem is he never gets hot? Maybe 2-3 decent games then nothing for 3-4 weeks and I mean NOTHING

    • Arthur

      This might be hard to believe, but Geno is only 2 RBI off the team lead. And I believe he is tied for team lead for HRs now.

      If there is such a thing as a “loud .170,” Geno’s doing it.

      • RedsMonk65

        Joey and Winker tied for team lead with 21 apiece.

  50. Bet on Red

    SO Shogo is on a 4-day hitting streak, Suarez is on a three game…. picked a moment to get going

  51. Melvin

    Farmer just keeps on going. Amazing.

  52. Indy Red Man

    2 inches from 5-1, but I think Hill is near the end. Joey should have a shot!

  53. kevinz

    Farmer Baby.
    Man sure is on a roll.
    Mayb he is our Turner.
    We traded years back.
    Get on hott streak.
    Just thought been having.

  54. Mark Moore

    4-6 inches out of the zone. Unforgiveable. If the CBA doesn’t address this, the players can’t complain anymore.

    • Bet on Red

      Then you will have issues with the Players union v the umpire union who both use different agreements. I don’t think they CAN address this through the CBA

      • Mark Moore

        Probably right. And MLB has zero spine despite umpires supposedly reviewing their work regularly. The complete lack of accountability galls me. The game is NOT about them in any way. They are equipment. Heck, when a ball hits them that isn’t foul, it isn’t dead. My old ASA umpire instructors told us “umpires are just like dirt”.

    • Indy Red Man

      .927 ops vs lefties coming in. He needs to be in there somewhere vs lefties every time! No more utility guy….atleast platoon player/defensive replacement

  55. Bet on Red

    So is RLN pro or against the glove shaped Bullpen Cart? like they have in Tokyo

  56. Arthur

    Ok Wade – you’ve got a lead.

    Clamp down on this thing like a pitbull on a pork chop! Give us 8 strong innings tonight!

  57. Bet on Red

    Wades pitch count and results so far make me think 8th inning is possible here

  58. Indy Red Man

    I was wrong wrong wrong on Miley. I never liked the signing. Felt like the veteran with “grit” that the front office (and only the Reds front office) loves so much.

    He’s been like classic Dallas Keuchel or Mark Beuhrle this year! Unbelievable!

    • Arthur

      I am right there in that boat with you, Indy. I thought the signing was a waste of resources. And let’s be honest – he didn’t show anything last year.

      But he has been rock-solid this season. He keeps the ball on the ground (I.e. away from our outfielders) And he takes the ball deep into the game more often than not.

      Bullpen usually has an easier night when Miley starts.

      I certainly hope they bring him back next season.

      • Indy Red Man

        He’s under contract for $10/mil next year

    • Indy Red Man

      Are you sure? I guess so, but they suck without DeGrom. The NL east is just that bad

  59. Mark Moore

    Winker misread that a bit, but it also died.

    Nice play by Farmer to erase the man in scoring position.

  60. Old-school

    Wade miley pick off

    The guy just competes

  61. Mark Moore

    I’d say Jesse made up for his misread on that catch.

  62. Mark Moore

    I normally don’t say this, but I’d say it’s time to plunk the Punk here

  63. Mark Moore

    I don’t like Baez. I view him in the same category as the Neck Tattoo. I really don’t like when he does that.

    • Indy Red Man

      He’s a good player though. And a team won’t go thru the motions with a guy like Baez on your team. Plus he’s good defensively. He should’ve got suspended though

      Dumb pitch by Wade though. 1-2 on Baez….just nibble away and he’ll swing at something before you walk him

      • Mark Moore

        Yep. Bit of a cement mixer. Can’t give him that kind of shot.

  64. Dennis Westrick

    I didn’t like the punk Baez when he was a Cub! Like him even less as a Met!

  65. VaRedsFan

    Either miss inside or go soft away to Baez. Just a mistake by Miley.
    #1 rule in the manual .

    • Mark Moore

      Or hit him in the back. That’s an option for a guy like Baez.

      • Indy Red Man

        Call me crazy, but when AG is posing & chirping out there after he Ks someone, with a 7 era, then I’m challenging him too. I like Baez’s passion!

      • RojoB

        There’s a difference between passion and poor sportsmanship.

      • Mark Moore

        AG shouldn’t have done what he did period. I don’t excuse him in any way. The suspension was way too long, but he acted like an idiot.

        I know Baez is talented. That’s why the Mets wanted him. But his antics go beyond “passion” in my book. Fines aren’t enough. He should have sat for what he pulled. And I’m not just talking that last little stunt either.

      • Indy Red Man

        I’ve never seen anyone talking bovine droppings coming to the plate before either with that AG walk-off. Thats my kind of crazy when the dude throws 97 and you’re talking smack coming up to the plate. Bases were loaded, but AG is crazy too. It looked like a UFC fighter walking into the cage

      • Mark Moore

        We are agreed on AG, Indy. If you can’t back it up at all, don’t even try it.

      • Indy Red Man

        The Reds swept the Cubs in gabp and AG got a doubleplay for a save in one of those. I think he was talking smack. Guys remember. I doubt Baez does that if HH was pitching. Thats just me though. I got in alot of fights when I was young.

  66. Mark Moore

    Need to see the best of Miley and have somebody warmed up and ready. Lorenzen might be my pick since he had a cakewalk last night. Switch to a RHP and add what, 12-15 mph?

    • Bet on Red

      yes at least we have options now

    • Mark Moore

      Yeah … figures. Bell knows something we don’t, right?

      • BZ

        I just don’t get it. Brach should be hanging on to a roster spot by a thread but instead, he is looked at as a key part of the bullpen no matter how many times he fails. He must be one of the nice guys that Bell likes and doesn’t want to replace?

  67. Bet on Red

    Does Miley come out for the Eigth

  68. Indy Red Man

    Chopping Brach-oli…….any Dana Carvey fans?

    • Mark Moore

      Ohhh SWEET!!!

      +500 for that one …

      “There’s a lady I know … if I didn’t know her … she’d be the lady … I didn’t know …”

  69. Mark Moore

    Into the 6th for L’ville and none of the rehabbers have made an appearance yet.

  70. Mark Moore

    Farmer’s unreal run is sitting in the shadow of Joey. It’s been fun to watch him do it. Got to root for the guy.

  71. beelicker

    Danby Swanson 2run dinger on Woodruff’s 1o1st pitch ATL 3 Milw 1 !

  72. Indy Red Man

    We don’t need no stinkin Brach sightings!! You have Lorenzen, Cessa, and HH

    Looked up HH stats though the other night. Since 2019, 95 innings, 25 Hrs. Bell needs to move atleast 3 guys ahead of him when we get healthy

  73. kevinz

    Man so close Votto.
    Smoked it though.

  74. Mark Moore

    Incredible run even if it ends right here. Elite company. And the 9 in 7 days as the oldest to do that stands out.

  75. VaRedsFan

    Who else got goosebumps as it headed the the wall?

  76. Mark Moore

    You telling me AA wouldn’t at least have given us a chance for something? A long fly ball, maybe?

  77. Mark A Verticchio

    Turning more and more sour on Naqiun, that hurt.

    • RedAlert

      Are you kidding me….

      Little league baserunning strikes again at the worst time

  78. kevinz

    Need run here.
    If not have bad feeling

  79. Mark Moore

    Ball 2 … down on strikes (SMH)

    • Bet on Red

      yea that was a good take by suarez. cant fault him for the umps being bad

      • Mark Moore

        Can fault him on a LOT of things, but not that one. He finally lays off one and gets rung up.

  80. Arthur

    Bad move to hit him for AA. Yea, I know – AA strikes out a bunch. But so does Naquin.

    And AA is a much better defender. Which often comes in handy in close games.

    • VaRedsFan

      AA hits fastballs, and that’s what Lugo was throwing

    • Melvin

      haha Bell just wears us out some times.

  81. Mark Moore

    I’m thinking Sadak is right. We’ll see TySteve up next.


    Can’t even get a productive out, first and third, nobody out, unreal!

  83. Roger Garrett

    I was ok with Naquin but we just have to put the ball in play.So many times we just don’t even compete.The defense doesn’t even have to make a play.

  84. Indy Red Man

    Yeah I don’t pinch-hit for AA. He just picked up 2 sac flies in like the last 3-4 games including last night. If I did pinch hit then it would be Stephenson. He’s hard to defend with the way he sprays the ball around. Pinch-hit with nobody out instead of 2?

    • Arthur

      That was really ugly.

      First and third, no out, in a close game, and we can’t push across even one run.

      That’s a good way to lose a close game. Certainly added pressure on the bullpen.

  85. Indy Red Man

    So we do what we do instead. More baserunning nonsense. I have a bad feeling. It gives the other team momentum when you blow opportunities like that. Just like they did with bases loaded/nobody out in the 1st last night

  86. kevinz

    That Inn Hurt badly.
    Be surprised pull this one out.
    Hope wrong.

  87. VaRedsFan

    This game can’t end well after that 8th inning display

    • RedAlert

      Freeman lollipopped the ball !!!! Throw the freaking ball man !!!!!!!

  88. Bet on Red

    Alright. 6 outs to go. Suarez glove is gone now. This means probably Freeman, as the pitcher’s spot is coming up and you want to save Schrock for the Pinch hit

  89. BZ

    I have no idea what the line is for a balk from lefties but watching that live I immediately said: “balk”. That just looked all kinds of weird.

  90. Gpod

    Stupid to pinch hit with Naquin…has Bell seen how bad he’s been going since his 5 hit game….apparently not….all you have to do is throw him high fastballs & he swings right thru them

    • Melvin

      Obviously there are certain players Bell will give every chance to and others, like AA, he’ll use any excuse to take him out more often than not.

  91. LDS

    It gets harder to defend Bell with each passing day. That inning was over managed. And hire a freaking base running coach because obviously no one on the team knows how.

    • wkuchad

      Lol, yes so hard to “defend” Bell.

      • LDS

        Extremely but then you and I generally disagree. For instance, I’m not a fan of Mr. Gopher Ball coming in for the 9th in a close game

  92. Roger Garrett

    I hope we win but the truth is that was just an awful way to make 3 outs with runners on first and third and nobody out.That is like saying we aren’t interested in winning so here take it.

  93. CFD3000

    I’m blacked out from the game on What happened with Suarez getting tossed? And did Farmer actually try a straight steal of home?

    • BZ

      Apparently, he was arguing during the pitcher change.

      No Votto was picked off and Farmer just went for it.

      • CFD3000

        Thanks. Can’t believe they had first and third and none out and didn’t score. Except Bell insists on batting Suarez fifth and then pinch hitting with a slumping Naquin. Sheesh.

    • Bet on Red

      no, Joey drew a throw and then tried to get caught in a 1B 2B pickle to give farmer enough time to get home. Mets weren’t fooled and got farmer at home. Votto would have been picked off otherwise.

  94. Melvin

    Good job by Votto there. Tough catch.

  95. VaRedsFan

    If I was going to get thrown out arguing balls and strikes, I’d play it up big time. Go downstairs and print the replay of strike box and how bad it was….and bring it out to the ump to show him the miss.
    All this if there would be no retaliation by the ump in future ABs of course.

  96. BZ

    Lorenzen looks sharp in these first two appearances.

  97. Jefferson Green

    Michael Lorenzen, we have missed you! Looking filthy.

  98. Bet on Red

    OK, we get a run, then bean Baez, and lets get this fight on

  99. vared

    Interesting to me no Cessa sighting last night or tonight.

    • Bet on Red

      I have a theory. Cessa was a Yankee whose NL rival was… the Mets…. so they have seen him before. Most of our other pitchers they have not seen in 2 years

  100. Indy Red Man

    I’d leave Lorenzen in or use Cessa. Cessa is allowing only .158 vs lefties and they’re LRRL. HH is the 3rd best option imo, but mlb managers have to have their guys feel comfortable in their roles blah blah blah. Its not just Bell that does that

  101. Jefferson Green

    Neither Ty nor India have the look nor eye of a rookie. Amazing.

  102. Indy Red Man

    How can you have a guy with zero power like Shogo and from the left side….that never bunts? Ever?

  103. Indy Red Man

    Rockies up 4-2 on SD!! Milw losing too. Lets Go!!!

  104. Hanawi

    Moose and Senzel cant’ get back fast enough if Freeman is one of the options off the bench.

  105. RedAlert

    Freeman has ZERO business on this roster – ZERO

    • wkuchad

      Agree completely. And I have hope he will be gone soon with the news that Senzel is getting reps at SS during rehab assignment.

  106. Indy Red Man

    Cessa only 4 career saves, but he’s never blown one. I have a bad feeling about HH. Its hot and he gives up HRs

    HH was on baseballs scrap heap and Cessa wasn’t

  107. Melvin

    Oh well. Gotta stop em here and WIN.

  108. BZ

    I don’t have a good feeling about this…I wish it wasn’t Hembree coming in.

    • Melvin

      Not too long ago at all he was the very best we had. lol

  109. Mark Moore

    That Jim Day report about the kid who flipped off Winker and got a signed ball in return was great.

    OK Heath. Need to knuckle down here and get the save.

  110. Indy Red Man

    Cessa holds lefties to .158. I honestly don’t think Bell even looks at numbers much

  111. Mark Moore

    Walks haunt. Don’t we know that by now?

  112. Bet on Red

    If HH blows this I think the ROle of closer is open again.

  113. Indy Red Man

    Here comes another walkoff. HH numbers…Bell doesn’t care. HH era is 4.60 Bell doesn’t care. I’d drive a Chevy if thats all I had, but if someone gives me a Lincoln then I’ll drive that instead. C’mon?

    • Melvin

      Hey. Don’t be dishin Chevys. 🙂

      • Indy Red Man

        I drive a 2011 Lincoln MKZ. I recommend them like Matthew Mcwhateverhisnameis

    • LDS

      Bell cares. He has a bet to cover. That or he is incompetent. He makes the same type of moves repeatedly.

  114. Gpod

    HH is trouble….Doolittle is up….seriously!

  115. Mark Moore

    Doolittle warming up? Yeah, that’s a plan.

    And all the low and away comes back to bite hard.

  116. Indy Red Man

    Lorenzen’s stuff is insane right now and he can go 2 innings easily. Idk? I think Bell is generally ok til you get to managing the pen

    • Mark Moore

      He’s the worst when he’s Tinker Bell with the pen

    • LDS

      Like Naquin for AA okay? I don’t think so.

  117. Daytonnati

    Hembree shrinking before our eyes.

  118. Hanawi

    Baez aggressiveness fails him there.

  119. Melvin

    Good job Mets. Keep helping us. Please.

  120. Bet on Red

    If He gets McCann I think they walk Smith to get to Pillar

  121. Broseph

    The only time I’d ever root for extra innings with the lead

    • Broseph

      Lucky day. Maybe this is a destiny call for Votto and history

    • Mark Moore

      Thank you, James. You may sit now.

      • RedAlert

        Hanging breaking ball !!!STUPID PITCH !!!!!

  122. Melvin

    HH got squeezed on that one. Come on. Get it done. Yesss. Two gone!

  123. RedAlert

    Struck him out twice !!! Sick of these umps !they suck !!! Bring in the robots ‘nn

  124. Mark Moore

    And we get Doolittle against Dom Smith and his inverted splits.

  125. Mark A Verticchio

    I can’t believe this move,hopefully it works.

  126. Bet on Red

    WHAT HH is not his best but D. Smiths’ stats are inverted. WHAT IS BELL DOING

  127. Melvin

    Doolittle? Now? Oh my. Please prove me wrong.

  128. Daytonnati

    I may have been hasty on my observation of HH 🙂

  129. BZ

    Did Bell just take out his “closer” for Sean “Inherited Runners Score Everytime” Doolittle?

  130. kevinz

    Got bad feeling about this.
    Plz prove me wrong Doolittle

  131. Mark Moore

    Want to avoid a DFA, Sean? Get this guy out. Simple as that.

  132. Melvin

    Come Doeey. Get it done. Strike one. Now 0-2 woo hoo.

  133. Mark Moore

    At least he’s going at Smith instead of nibbling.

  134. Mark Moore

    Drop the hammer on him. He’ll chase it.

    • JB

      My shocked face that Doolittle let another inherited runner score.

  135. kevinz

    Boo Hate when my feelings are right.

  136. Mark Moore

    All that high heat and then a cookie. K-R-A-P on a cracker!!

  137. BZ

    19 inherited runners this year and 12 have scored. That is not what you need from a bullpen arm.

  138. LDS

    And there you go. Bell gives away another game. Sure glad they signed those new relievers

    • RedAlert

      He just can’t help himself – pitiful man just pitiful

      • LDS

        It’s Hernandez & Hughes all over again. Keep running them out there until the FO cuts them.

  139. Melvin

    SMH! Good play by Aki to go to 2nd keeping the runner at 1st instead of trying for home.

    • Indy Red Man

      Have you not watched him? He can’t throw. It didn’t matter anyway there

  140. Indy Red Man

    Thats the problem with Doolittle. He’s never had good breaking stuff. Should’ve kept trying to paint the corners. Oh well. Lets get Joey another at-bat

    • Mark Moore

      Yeah. That was NOT what I meant by “drop the hammer” … he tossed a cookie and Smith went with it (which is what he does).

  141. Chris Holbert

    Why trade for improvements, if you are not using them, where there was failure before?

    • Melvin

      Don’t you know? It was his turn to pitch. By the way, who’s turn is it to bring juice and snacks tomorrow?

  142. Bet on Red

    NIce Velo but not what we needed, however on the bright side Votto now gets another opportunity at history

  143. DHud

    Boy, sure wish the Reds had gone out and acquired some bullpen help for literally this exact situation….

    Instead we get to see Doolittle blow it again.

      • Melvin

        He CAN’T keep himself out of making moves. One way or another he has to be in the limelight. Disgusting.

  144. Melvin

    Okay. Time for Votto and another HR? 🙂

  145. Gpod

    Why are we watching the same pitchers blow games that did the same thing before we acquired 3 pitchers & had another one come off the DL????

    • Mark Moore

      Because Tinker Bell’s rules dictate everything. Especially where the over-managing of the BP is concerned.

  146. BZ

    Krall “We’re gonna get you some bullpen help. We’ve got a couple of really good late inning guys for you.”

    Bell “Nah, I’m good with my guys who have failed me over and over. We get along great.”

    • Indy Red Man

      Givens used up and Doolittle has been better then Wilson, but where is Cessa?

  147. JB

    Somehow Doolittle keeps surviving while everyone around him gets sent down or DFA’d.


    Maybe Joey can do it this inning!

  149. Bet on Red

    ALanta and Colorado both coming through. We Need this game

  150. BZ

    There is zero reason why Doolittle should have been in for that situation. It is inexcusable. Another failure by Bell.

  151. Roger Garrett

    Just can’t defend that decision even if it worked and it didn’t.Bell just does not belong as manager of this team.He just doesn’t and its so obvious.Reds didn’t deserve to win after that fiasco in the 8th and Bell made sure of that.

  152. Mark A Verticchio

    I will never understand Bell and his over coaching. He hurts this team so bad it is hard to believe.

  153. Mark Moore

    I’d say steal 3rd but McCann is nearly invincible.


    No, this is going to help Bell in the long run. Doolittle blew it so now it’s going to be easier to get rid of him when Sims gets back IMO.

    • Mark Moore

      Who does that leave as a LHP in the BP?

  155. Jeff Morris

    Should have put in that Justin Wilson to face left hand hitter…you know Doolittle is NOT reliable…even against left hand hitters!

    • BZ

      Smith crushes lefties. He’s hitting almost .330 on the year with an .841 OPS. A lefty should have not even been considered…especially when you don’t have any dominant ones.

  156. Melvin

    We’d BETTER get this run home one way or another.

  157. Bet on Red

    Alright Farmer, even up the middle DP gets a run

  158. Mark Moore

    Time for Farmer to show some more grit …

  159. JB

    1st and 3rd and no outs. Been here before.

  160. Mark Moore

    Perhaps the baseball gods arranged all this to smile on Joey Votto one more time. Just maybe.

  161. Mark Moore

    They aren’t streaming for the exits tonight

  162. DaveCt

    Good lord, this is the dude I remember from Seattle! Yikes!

    • DaveCT

      Diaz. Out of his body right now.

      Because DaveCT is soon to be PNWDave has see this cat in Seattle, look out!

  163. Roger Garrett

    Bell is going to always do stuff like that and it will only work if you give him a star roster.So regardless of who he puts in they stand a good chance of getting it done.HH has been the closer and I ride him until somebody else takes the job away and they may but you just said to him thanks for what you have done but I don’t believe in you now in this point in time.Just awful and I mean just awful.

  164. Melvin

    Votto swung at a bad pitch. Hardly EVER happens.

  165. BZ

    Seeing Cessa warming up makes my blood boil.

  166. Melvin

    Naquin looks over matched big time. Come on buddy. Get it done.

  167. Gpod

    Reds & Bell deserve to lose this game

    • RojoB

      The Reds players do not. The Org does for being stupid

  168. Daniel Dravot

    Once again dumb-ass David Bell pretends he’s a tactician by pulling a guy who has just gotten two strikeouts.

    Of course it back fires and the starter AGAIN loses a victory, and he places the team in jeopardy of losing.

    Bell has to go.

    • Indy Red Man

      HH allows .560 ops vs righties & .839 vs lefties. I can see that, but Cessa is better then both of them imo and Smith kills lefties for some reason. Lets see if he can get out of this?

  169. Indy Red Man

    0-2 and Doolittle throwing 98. 1 adjective strike away! Feels like everytime we lose its blowing a late lead and those really hurt. Rather get beat 10-1

    Maybe they’ll get it, but the energy from the crowd is electric

  170. RojoB

    I don’t see how the Bell apologists will have too much to say about taking out HH after he strikes out two—pulling himself up by the bootstraps.

    Absolutely maddening

    • wkuchad

      I’m a Bell apologist, and I absolutely hated the Doolittle move.

  171. Roger Garrett

    Reds just can’t overcome their own manager every night.We play tomorrow.

  172. Reddawg2012

    Just cannot continue to lose game like this.

    • RedAlert

      Afraid is going to co tongue to happen long as MR. clueless still managing

      Can’t get out of his own way

  173. Bet on Red

    I get givins being unavailable. I get Maybe they saw something with HH being Gassed. But the Doolittle move was absolute stupidity. Doesn’t matter Doolittle is not surviving the great Reliever purge of August 2021

  174. TR

    HH settles down, has two outs and Bell brings in Doolittle to play the handiness game.

    • Hanawi

      Against a guy with reverse splits. Just an indefensible move.

  175. LDS

    He could have just let Lorenzen go another inning and see how it developed. But no, that’s too risky. Though in Doolittle’s case, have you ever known a player so aptly named?

  176. Gpod

    Twice you have 3rd base & nobody out & you can’t score… you want to make the playoffs?

  177. DaveCT

    WOW! How great was that inning? How GREAT is it to be be playing meaningful ball? Too mich fun!

  178. Mark A Verticchio

    How do you put in a guy with an 11plus era.

  179. Melvin

    Wow. Our outfield defense is really good now. If the ball is hit to the wall maybe Winker and Aki can play cut off for each other to get the ball in.

  180. Mark Moore

    Aquino and/or Naquin injured? Did I hear that correctly?

  181. Votto4life

    Hopefully, this is Doolittle’s final appearance in a Red’s uni.

    • Roger Garrett

      You fight and scratch and claw and just have so many chance to add on and don’t and you get down to 1 out to go and your manager says let me lose this game for us because well I can.


      He done it to himself with help from Bell. He needs to start packing!

  182. RojoB

    Oh! NOW we see Cessa!
    So he is available today—so there goes that excuse

    If i had any hair left I’d pull it out. These are the games the manger can win or lose, fans

    Can someone let David Bell know he’s in a division race?

    • RojoB

      The guy swung at a ball. No fault of Cessa

  183. Mark Moore

    Good night all. Very frustrating to watch this slip away courtesy of David Tinker Bell and our inability to score a guy from 3B with nobody out.

  184. BZ

    I can’t wait to see the mental gymnastics the Bell fan club comes up for this one.

    • RojoB

      I’m eager to hear the spin doctoring. It’s entertaining

  185. Indy Red Man

    Always liked Brandon Drury.

    IDK…easy to pile on Bell, but HH is weaker vs lefties. The thing is Lorenzen was completely dominant 2 nights in a row. They haven’t got a ball out of the infield on him.
    Let him go!!!

    • JB

      You dont bring in Doolittle. An idiot can figure that out.

    • Indy Red Man

      Another thing Doolittle should know by now. Get beat with your best stuff. If you want to show him a breaking ball then thats fine, but don’t get beat with it? He knows better. He’s 35 years old. Thats on Doolittle…not Bell.

    • RedAlert

      I’ll keep piling on him Indy …. I got you covered


    • bug

      >>>The thing is Lorenzen was completely dominant 2 nights in a row. They haven’t got a ball out of the infield on him.
      Let him go!!!

      YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But Bell likes to pitch 27 pitchers per game. Take out great pitchers just to put in bums. That’s his modus operandi. He thinks the more pitchers he puts in a game, the better chance we have to win. Either that, or he tries to lose games. I’m actually afraid it’s the latter. No one could make that many dumb moves unless he’s trying to lose games.

  186. Bet on Red

    Well the damage will be minor. The Brewers finally lost. The Padres will lose. Must take the series tomorrow. Meanwhile, a lot of reds gather dust on the pine in IOWA CITY supposedly Rehabbing.

    • RojoB

      When they need to make up 7 games every loss is damage.

      Every game that they can win should not be managed like it’s a long season. It’s a long season—and then you go home if you don’t make the playoffs. So what’s the point of that logic at this point in the season

      • Bet on Red

        I agree there was damage… if you notice I said the damage was minor

      • RojoB

        I sure hope so.

        Games like this just make me angry. But time to release it now lol

  187. Mark A Verticchio

    How can anybody defend Bell tonight. This team will never win with Bell as manger, he is horrible.

  188. west larry

    A golden chance to gain on both the padres and brewers. Putting dolittle in the game? Why?

  189. EDDIE

    WOW!!! Bell gave Mets this game was not very smart to have Doolittle come against smith at all. He manage games like this question why he still here. Doolittle needs to go or send down since he has options on his contract I think. I’m so disappointed I feel bad for wade Miley how well he pitched for us tonight. Man this sucks bc braves won n we would been within 6 games n padres r losing I’m so mad rn

  190. Melvin

    Talking about catching the Brewers today.

    “I think we just might be able to but we’ll have to put the pedal to the metal to do it and not mess around in any way in any game. Go all out to win….. every game. We’ll see what Mr. Bell does.”

    Well, we did…. Just plain STUPID!!

    • bug

      Like most of our losses. His bonehead moves. Oh well.

  191. Gpod

    Thought we were done with these gut wrenching bullpen, kick in the butt losses….but I guess not

  192. Indy Red Man

    2 dumb 2 strike pitches beat us. Miley 2 strike cookie to Baez who refuses to walk (1-2 pitch I think) and then Doolittle w/his best fb of the year and he gets beat on offspeed which has never been good for him.

    Gave it away. Plus the guys on 3rd/nobody out. Squeeze one in or something

    • bug

      Hembree lost the game by WALKING the first batter he faced!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have no use for a reliever who comes in afraid to throw a strike, that nibbles around until he walks the first batter (this after the ump gave him one strike). He was 1 and 2,..then he gets afraid to throw a strike. Walks the tying run. I blame Hembree. Reds need relievers who are not afraid to throw strikes. Most close games we’ve lost this year was because of walks,..including this one. Nibblers!!!! Wussies!!!!! Course we’ve always got to win in spite of Bell. Lorenzen should have pitched the 8th and 9th. Oh well. Reds have way too much talent to have the record they have. A good manager would have this team in first place. Bell has lost 20 games this year by simply making bonehead moves night after night.

  193. LDS

    Padres losing. Milwaukee already has. Tonight would have pulled to within 3 of the WC. And Bell once again throws it away. If the Reds FO was actually serious about competing, Bell would be unemployed. Wonder how much influence he had on no additional trade activity.

  194. BZ

    Most of us were happy at the deadline because the Reds had acquired enough good pitchers that we wouldn’t have to see Indy ball level pitchers (Brach, Doolittle, Osich) anymore. Instead, Bell just keeps throwing them out there.

  195. Votto4life

    Lost opportunity for sure but the Brewers lost and SD is down 3 in the 7th inning.

    Don’t get discouraged folks. We are finally in a pennant race. It feels pretty good to be playing meaningful games.

    As General Grant said after losing his first battle at Shilo “Lick ‘em tomorrow”.

    • RojoB

      Not discouraged


      Unnecessary loss

  196. BatsLeftThrowsRight

    There is no way you pitch to Dom Smith there, you walk him and deal with next guy. Another brutal loss. This game was gift wrapped by the Mets on a silver platter and the Reds as usual can’t push that one run needed late across the plate with a runner on third and nobody out.

    Jessie Winker continues with his awful jumps on balls right in front of him, letting two more drop just tonight that would have been caught by an average defender.

    He was too busy exchanging balls for banners with Mets fans out there tonight, what a clown.

  197. Daniel Dravot

    Apparently the concept of ‘if it ain’t broken, don’t fix it’ is alien to David Bell.

    His rigid adherence to one inning per reliever is going to doom this team.

    Lorenzen is strong so . . . pull him. Hembree finds his sea legs so . . . pull him.

    Bell makes monstrously bad moves AND he wears out the bullpen needlessly . . .

  198. LGR

    With Stroman going tomorrow Bell should have been putting his best bet forward. I think doing literally anything else besides putting Doolittle in was fine. Put in Cessa. Put in Wilson. Garrett and Givens probably were for sure not coming in. Hell, Brach would have been a better idea than Doolittle with Smith’s splits. Leaving in Hembree was also fine, but you decided to go to the guy who is plain awful at leaving runners stranded? Blows my mind.

  199. Indy Red Man

    Everybody piling on Bell. I get it, but nobody wants to be bothered to look up numbers

    HH .839 ops vs lefties, .560 ops vs righties

    Doolittle 2.84 era in July, 6.1 innings 4 hits. Throwing 97-98 mph

    I would’ve stuck with Lorenzen, but I’m the leader of the ML fan club.

    Lets see what happens tomorrow.

    • LGR

      Dom Smith vs LP .326 BA, .461 SLG
      Dom Smith vs RP .223 BA, .366 SLG

      Just another stat.

      • Indy Red Man

        Yeah…actually BatsLeftThrowsRight brought up a good point I completely forgot for some reason. Just int walk Smith and then have HH with his .560 ops vs righties against Kevin .216 Pillar. Bell def struggles with the bullpen. I think he’s good emotionally with the team and they play hard, but thats not his thing.

        IDK who the Mets had on the bench for Pillar, but then you have the option for Doolittle if they put in a lefty. A lefty that won’t hit lefties great like Smith does

      • Melvin

        When you can’t handle pressure, like in clutch in game decisions you fall back on what seems to be safe in rightie/leftie matchups. If Bell can’t plan it out, he can’t handle it. He wants to be buddy buddy with everyone and Doolittle hasn’t pitched in a while soooo……..

    • BZ

      I’ll help you with the numbers.

      Smith against RHP .223 Avg/.664 OPS
      Smith against LHP .326 Avg/.841 OPS

      Factor that with Doolittle being dreadful with runners on base (19 inherited/12 scored)

      • Indy Red Man

        I guess I feel like I’m forced into defending Bell because guys like LDS give him ZERO credit for anything. So if we go 90-72

        then Bell was STUPID 162 times, but got lucky 90 times.

        I would give him a grade of C or C-, but he’s better then Price was. He moved Farmer up to 3rd. He moved India to leadoff. He dropped Geno down. He moved Stephenson up when Joey was hurt. He’s not afraid to mix things up.

        With Dusty it was Edgar Renteria or Corey Patterson and it wasn’t changing. Same old same old every day without question

      • RojoB

        This is enough for me that if i’m Bell’s boss, I tell him that I’ll expect his resignation on my desk in the morning.

        Hey but Bell believes in the players.

      • Indy Red Man

        Doolittle got 19 of 23 hitters out this month. Had the guy 0-2 and was throwing 98. Bell isn’t getting fired. Again not what I would’ve done, but Doolittle screwed up. It wasn’t like earlier when he just getting his clock cleaned with 92 mph garbage

      • LGR

        Farmer was kinda forced to hit 3rd. No one else was stepping up, so he just put him there. Stephenson hitting up in the lineup was the obvious move, shouldn’t have taken to much thought. Suarez moving down has taken way to long and still should probably move to 8th. When you’re up 6-1 like last night, you don’t have to be smart to win the game. It’s close games like these where you’re up 4-3 in the 8th and 9th where you actually have to manage and that’s where Bell struggles. But with that being said, yet again the offense struggled with less than 2 outs and runner on first at least twice to night. I’m not going to go to hard on Farmer and Votto in the 9th. Votto was kinda forced to swing with Naquin behind him who has been awful in spots like that. The 8th inning was the bad one tho. Yet again Naquin striking out against a mediocre righty, Suarez probably should have gotten pinched hit for with Shrock to try and put the ball in play. Then the Votto baserunning blunder with 2 outs is just whatever at that point.

      • Melvin

        Price had no chance of winning with the pitching he had and Billy Hamilton leading off. He was the first one to try Billy batting 9th. Price would have LOVED to have the roster David Bell has had since being here.

      • LDS

        IRM, you are a bit mercurial. Some days you laud Bell. Others you want to string him up by his thumbs. Yes, I’m consistently anti-Bell. I look at things from a corporate perspective. Bell says he loves the team and has what he needs. I ask why aren’t you winning? In the real world, we fire managers that claim to have the staff they need but don’t produce results. Baseball is more of an old boys club, nepotism anyone?

    • VaRedsFan

      Doolittle didn’t give up an earned run tonight. Silly to use his ERA to defend him or Bell. Need to look at inherited runners scored.

      • Indy Red Man

        19 of 23 did you miss that? 6.1 ip and 4 hits. Could’ve been doubleplays in there, but thats 4 of 23 otherwise (.174)

  200. bug

    Free passes!!! Do you know how many games we’ve lost this year, when the winning run was only on base because he was walked? Almost every loss has been because we have pitchers that are afraid to throw strikes when the game is tight. Nibblers!!!! Wussies!!!! I’m screaming at the TV,..”Throw strikes. Throw strikes!!!” And they immediately walk the winning run to start the inning. Actually tonight Hembree walked the tying run, after being ahead in the count 1 and 2. Then he started nibbling. Makes me mad as a hatter. Most losses in our close games are because of walks. I rest my case.

    • LGR

      I’m not even sure if Hembree threw a strike that entire inning besides the one that was called a ball on Mccan.

      • bug

        Exactly what I said to my wife. And normally that’s what I like about Hembree. He normally is the only one who comes on throwing strikes. I guess all the others have rubbed off on him.

  201. RedAlert

    I just can’t defend a manager that makes as many stupid moves as Bell has made this year . Yes , players have to execute.
    However , his decision making process rarely gives the Reds the absolute best opportunity to win ballgames . It leaves a whole lot to be desired . Never maximizes his chances to win games in my opinion .

    However , I have been a Reds fan all my life and will ALWAYS continue to root for them to win . I do not think I will ever change my stance that David Bell is the right manager for this organization .

    • RedAlert

      Is NOT the right manager for this organization !

      • west larry

        He might be the right manager for the reds, but bringing Dolittle into that situation was STUPID! I’m one of the few here that have supported Bell, but that was not one of his finer moments.