Last night saw the Cincinnati Reds make a trade with the New York Yankees to acquire relievers Luis Cessa and Justin Wilson. Today they’ve gone out and acquired another reliever, this time trading for Mychal Givens who has been with the Colorado Rockies this season. Mark Feinsand of MLB.com was the first to report that the deal was close to completion and he also was the first to report that Noah Davis was the second prospect in the deal. Thomas Harding of MLB.com is reporting that prospect Case Williams is going back to Colorado in the deal. Update: The Reds have designated Josh Osich for assignment to make room for Givens on the 40-man roster.

Mychal Givens has a 2.73 ERA this season in 31 games for the Rockies. He has thrown 29.2 innings, allowed 25 hits – 5 home runs – while walking 14 batters and striking out 34.

His profile this season has been one of extremes. A right-handed pitcher with big reverse splits. Right-handed batters have hit .288/.348/.542 against him this season, though they’ve only had four walks and struck out 22 times in 66 plate appearances against him. Left-handed batters have hit just .167/.310/.271 against him, but they have 10 walks and 12 strikeouts in 58 plate appearances against him.

Pitching in Colorado you would expect to see some solid home and road splits, but they are to the extreme with Givens. In 80 plate appearances in Coors Field opponents are hitting .268/.350/.535 against him this season. In 44 plate appearances against Givens on the road opponents are hitting just .167/.295/.194 against him with just one extra-base hit – a double.

When looking at some of the underlying data one thing really stands out: Opponents are crushing his slider this season. It’s his least thrown pitch, throwing it just 14% of the time, but he’s struck out just one batter with it this season and players are hitting .545 and slugging 1.182 on it. That’s not a typo. Last season he threw the slider at the same rate – 14% of the time, and opponents hit just .250 and slugged just .375 against it. Perhaps there’s something here to be corrected with the slider. Maybe it’s the Coors Field breaking ball issue at play (he did spend half of 2020 with the Orioles). Or maybe the Reds could just tell him to stop throwing it and to focus on his fastball and change up combination.

The Prospects

Noah Davis was just ranked as the 16th best prospect in the organization earlier this week. He’s had a quality season with the High-A Dayton Dragons this year, posting a 3.60 ERA in 65.0 innings where he’s allowed just 44 hits and he’s struck out 77. His control has been inconsistent and he’s walked 35 batters and hit 12 more. But he does have two above-average offerings with a fastball and slider, and two solid pitches with a change up and a curveball.

Case Williams life has to be interesting. Last summer he was the 4th round draft pick of the Colorado Rockies. In the offseason, before ever throwing a single pitch for the Rockies organization, he was traded to the Cincinnati Reds. The reports were that the Reds were looking to draft him, but he didn’t make it back around to them at the time. Now, after making 11 starts and one relief appearance as a 19-year-old in Low-A Daytona where he posted a 5.55 ERA with 33 walks and 34 strikeouts, he’s reportedly being traded back to the Colorado Rockies. Williams was not one of the Reds Top 25 prospects in the just updated earlier this week prospect list.

127 Responses

  1. KG

    I like the moves I’ve seen so far and the bullpen seems to be much improved, especially when Sims returns. The more I think about the shortstop position, the more I’m included to believe the Reds should just stick with Farmer this season….unless they can figure out a way to land Trea Turner. I don’t think Story is the answer. His numbers away from Coors are dreadful.

    • Alan Horn

      Agree 100%. I think we still need a quality LH reliever and the courage/smarts to put either Lopez or Schrock at 3B.

      • JayTheRed

        At this point we don’t need anymore relievers… We added 3 that’s plenty plus the guys who have done a fairly good job and the guys who are coming back from injury. The only person left as a reliever would be a top line closer and I don’t think anyone here wants to pay for that with prospects from what I have read the past few days.

        With the fact that they have made an effort to improve the team I am surprised and many of you should be too considering how many posts I have read about people saying Oh they won’t do anything. They have now and we honestly haven’t had to give up anything major. The #16 ranked prospect that’s a reliever that has a very minor chance to being something good. The other guy is fringe too and the player to be named later isn’t going to be anyone in the top 15 either.

        If we make any other changes I will be really surprised at this point. I am happy they are at least trying to improve the team.

  2. Brad

    Two remarkably even trades between Reds and Rockies.

    Davis was going to be 40-man eligible and would have been an interesting choice for Reds. Easier for rebuilding Rockies to protect him.

    Reds get: Givens, Hoffman
    Rockies get: Stephenson, Hannah, Davis

  3. Bet on Red

    The Important thing is if I am a reds position player and I wake up and see this I am pumped. Organization giving it more than the college try. Expect more intense play from the reds here in the near future. Now Just one more lefty and that should do it.

  4. BZ

    Another really nice addition to the bullpen. Hopefully, this move shows Osich the door.

    • JayTheRed

      Yup he has been designated for assignment today… He can refuse a minor league assignment if he wants but he might just do it.

  5. Hotto4Votto

    Good addition. Giving up Davis is a little tough, but he’s not a make or break prospect and is a little old for his league. Don’t believe we’re going to sweat it in the long run. Glad to see the Reds are working on undoing the damage they did to the bullpen over the offseason. Now just hope it’s not too little too late.

    • Mike

      I had to do a double-take on Davis lol. He’s okay but doesn’t look like a bad loss. Seems odd he was rated as high as 16 (he was only 27th on our Top 30 at MLB.com) but good luck to him

      • Hotto4Votto

        Take MLB.com rankings with a grain of salt. Even of the major outlets I consider them one of the least reliable. I trust RML rankings over any other site because Doug knows the prospects on a deeper level since it is his primary focus. Again, I don’t think it’s that big of a loss that we’ll (as fans) regret down the road, but Davis is a solid prospect. He’s in the next tier of starters (IMO) along with Roa/Bonnin/Richardson and has a bit more of a track record, but is also older and likely less upside of that group.

  6. Mike

    Case had a couple of nice performances (5 inning shutouts) in the last month down in Daytona, so it’s a bummer to give him back. Always thought he was a nice little steal for Bob Steve. Rockies must have got bad PR for trading a local kid away and may end up winners in this trade in more ways than one.

  7. RedBB

    Wow….I wonder who goes down or gets DFA once Antone, Sims and Lorenzen comes back? DooLittle? Vlad? Santillan? Hembree? Will Justin Wilson stick? Thoughts Doug?

    My BP
    Antone
    Givens
    Sims
    Garrett
    Cessa
    Lorenzen
    Brach
    Hembree
    Wilson

    • Tom Mitsoff

      Justin Wilson will stick. They are not about to pay a major league salary to someone they cut. Example: Jeff Hoffman.

      • Hotto4Votto

        Well, if Sims, Antone, Givens, Cessa, Warren/Santillan, Hembree, and Garrett are your best options in the bullpen someone (if not two) out of the Hoffman/Doolittle/Wilson group that’s making ML salary is going to be out. At this point in the season you have to put your most competitive team on the field.

    • Redsfan4life

      Don’t forget Warren. But I think he may be out for the season.

    • LGR

      I think Brach and Hembrees’ days could be numbered. They’re only carrying 8 relievers right now and with the way Santillan’s pitching lately, think it’d be hard to send him back down.

      • RedBB

        I think Brach sticks…he’s been terribly overused recently by Bell. He’s pitched in 7 of the last 10 days.

      • Jer-B

        It will be interesting to see how everyone in the BP pitches over the next few weeks, trying to keep their jobs. Santillian will be the most interesting and Hoffman to a lesser extent.

    • Alan Horn

      That’s 9. Aren’t we limited to 7 bullpen slots? I think the rosters expand after Sept. 1st. I guess those on the IL will be staggered in their return over the month of August, so it may all work out.

      • RedBB

        There is no limit to the amount of pitchers or relievers you can have. Rosters are at 26 but expand to 28 in September.

      • Hotto4Votto

        With the 26-man roster generally it’s 13 pitchers and 13 position players. With a 5-man rotation that leaves 8 relievers. Although there has been points in the season we’ve carried 9 relievers (leaving our bench short handed). If I recall correctly, rosters in Sept only expand to 28 players. So a 9th reliever will be added, if not a 10th.

    • Hotto4Votto

      If, Warren, Sims, and Antone all return in August….
      I roll with Antone, Sims, Givens, Cessa, Garrett, Hembree, Warren, and one of Doolittle or Wilson. Maybe you keep Santillan up instead of Warren depending on how that goes. Maybe one of those guys doesn’t return until September when you can carry an extra reliever or two.

    • Mark

      Santillan over Brach and you have something. Hope Warren gets back. Lodolo after roster expansion.

    • David

      To be honest, I don’t know if the Reds can count on all of Lorenzen, Antone and Sims coming back.
      What if only one comes back and is effective?
      It might be September when Antone is ready. He hasn’t thrown in any kind of game action (minor league rehab) and has had some bullpen sessions, etc.
      Lorenzen is the oldest, and might be the most likely to bounce back (after being out most of the year). And Sims, frankly, wasn’t pitching that well (overall), although at times was effective.
      At least Castelini allowed Nick Krall to do something and take on more payroll.

  8. LDS

    I like this move especially if they can extend him. I’m concerned we’re a bit optimistic on Lorenzen. But definitely better off today than yesterday. Now unload Suarez and Shogo and I like the possibilities

    • Alan Horn

      I agree. Neither has hit given plenty of chances. The jury is still out on AA also, but he is way ahead of those 2. Keep Freeman on hand at AAA when Blandino returns as he has shown no signs of a bat either. His glove and flexibility are a plus.

    • Jim Walker

      I think there is too much optimism over all 3 of Lorenzen, Antone, and Sims. It is tough for relievers to make it back to normal usage patterns after an in season injury which has kept them out as long as all these guys have been. It often takes an off season cycle for a full recovery.

      Hopefully one of these guys can get back to what he was in the next 2-3 weeks or alternately the team will be able to count on having one of the 3 available every day at some level resembling his full performance capacity.

  9. kevinz

    Good moves on Paper.
    Now hopefully shows on the field.
    like trying to attack a weakness.
    Not giving up High Prospects

  10. Redsfan4life

    Even when Antone, Sims and Lorenzen return with all the new additions. Do they keep Hembree at closer? I think they may. High k/9 IP. Does give up some HRs but has been solid overall. Monday I think was a case of overuse the past week.

    • LGR

      I’m not even sure Hembree ends up on the team if everyone returned. Will be fun to see.

      • Redsfan4life

        Hembree will 100$ be on this team.

      • Tampa Red

        What??? Hembree is 100% a big leaguer and the Reds would be foolish to remove him from the roster.

      • scotly50

        Hembree has pitched his way onto this team.

      • LGR

        I mean, when everyone (if it ever happens) becomes healthy, you have the choice of 2 of the following. Lorenzon, Brach, Hembree, Santillan, Warren. I think Lorenzon is kinda obvious. And to me, Santillans bullpen stuff is kinda electric. I’d personally choose him over Hembree, but I would understand either way.

  11. RedBB

    Sucks we had to give up 2 pitchers but I’m not as high as Doug on Noah Davis. He’s 24 and has still only been just OK at A+. He got lit up in his last start FWIW

  12. Tom Mitsoff

    I’m liking what I’m seeing so far. My presumption going into this trade deadline was they are not going to trade top prospects for help of any kind. You don’t mortgage your future when you’re seven games back.

    However, you don’t give up, either, and the front office is showing the players and the fans they are giving it a shot. No closers acquired so far, but I really like Givens as a righty who will almost certainly fit into late-game situations. Not sure about Cessa and Wilson, but I am almost completely sure they will be an improvement over what was in the back-end of the bullpen as recently as last night.

    When you’re David Bell and you have to bring Edgar Garcia into the ninth inning of a game that you’re leading, there’s nothing more that needs to be said about the level of talent available to the manager.

    What I suspect Bell may do now is create a two-day platoon for the bullpen. One group of four goes today, the other goes tomorrow, and so on. Bell is using starting pitchers for up to 100 pitches per day, unless they are getting creamed. By and large, the starting pitchers are not efficient on pitch counts, so they usually go six or seven innings before they reach 100 pitches.

    For example (hypothetical, of course)

    Tonight (because the new guys probably haven’t arrived yet): righties Hembree and Brach, lefties Doolittle and Osich

    Tomorrow: righties Givens and Cessa, lefties Garrett and Wilson

    Doing something like that would be a way to try to maximize availability of the relief staff without using people several days in a row. It seems very clear that Brach, for example, pitches much better when he has at least a day between appearances.

    As has been the case most of the season, I believe this group will continue to self-sort — survival of the fittest and most effective. 🙂 When (or if) Antone, Sims and Lorenzen return, this has the potential of a team strength instead of weakness.

    I don’t think they need a shortstop. What more could you ask of Kyle Farmer than he has been showing? Solid, steady defense and a very hot bat. Frankly, they need a third baseman. Senzel and Moustakas are both getting close.

    • Rednat

      i think ownership realizes that this may our best chance at winning the division for a while even though it is a longshot. we are very pedestrian without Castellanos and if he leaves, 2022 may be a bust. plus Votto will be a year older. i personally like the “win now” approach.

  13. Mark

    What they need to do now is fix center field. I’m looking to package some combination of Shogo, Suarez, Gray, Senzel, Siani to get a no doubt bonafide center fielder. I think these trades help some in keeping Castellanos

    • Jer-B

      …But, Shog & Suarez have no trade value.

    • Tom Mitsoff

      There are not many, if any, bonafide centerfielders available. What we are probably looking at, once Castellanos returns, is centerfielder du jour from David Bell (among Naquin, Aquino and Akiyama) based on matchups.

    • Alan Horn

      Does Castellanos want to opt out and test the market and take the best offer or will he go ahead and resign with the Reds? The Reds need to determine that right now and trade him for all we can get (rather than get the draft pick) if he doesn’t intend to stay with the Reds.

      • Tom Mitsoff

        I respectfully disagree. There was no reason to trade for three relief pitchers if they’re going to turn right around and trade their MVP candidate. Sometimes trying to win, instead of being in constant rebuild/reload mode, is important.

      • RedBB

        You are guaranteed to get a Round A comp pick which is a low first rounder if Cast opts out and declines a QO. Maybe you can get more but its not guaranteed especially for a corner OF’er

      • Alan Horn

        I would bet someone would give a lot for Castellanous. Again, I don’t want to lose him but we can likely get a lot more now than a comp pick. I agree that if we think we can win this season you keep him. but unfortunately we have to decide by Friday. Hopefully, with the exception of maybe Givens, you carry the new relievers into next season and get a jump start. Castellanous is one of the top hitters in the game and his stock is at it’s peak. I feel someone will throw the bank at him and we lose him. Kind of like Bauer.

    • RedBB

      CF is an expensive piece to upgrade. A’s just gave up Luzardo a recent MLB top 10 prospect who is still only 23 for a Marte rental. Seriously doubt the Reds will upgrade.

  14. GreatRedLegsFan

    One spot has already been cleared from the 26-man roster as Garcia was DFA’d, two more are pending, should be Hendrix and Osich.

    • RedBB

      I wonder if the Reds would trade Doolittle and/or Hembree proactively? I mean once Antone, Sims and Lorenzen comes back its not guaranteed either of those guys stick on the team.

      • Roger Garrett

        Thats a good question.I like the fact HH has closed some one run games for us and that has value on any team.The last 3 outs are the hardest and everybody throws 95+ but its more then velocity and HH appears to have that.Doolittle at 95 with some breaking stuff has value as well and he has closed in the past.

      • Tom Mitsoff

        Hembree is their closer, for the moment, so no for him. If anyone would give them anything for Doolittle, probably yes.

    • JB

      Hendrix is a rookie that can hit 96. I highly doubt he is DFA’d. He will get sent down to AAA. Doolittle’s window is getting smaller and smaller and hopefully he will get thrown out it. He is done.

      • Jim Walker

        No doubt Hedrix is optioned and not DFA

      • Steelerfan

        They had to rush Hendrix given the circumstances, and he has not business on an MLB roster, but I don’t think I would give up on him yet. Give him some AAA and see if he can earn a chance to come back.

  15. Mark

    These trades pretty much have 100% guaranteed you will not see Greene or Lodolo this season.

    • SultanofSwaff

      Greene is an upgrade over Gutierrez and Lodolo is an upgrade over every single lefty in the bullpen. The expanded roster spots will go to these two in September if not sooner. I think there’s a very good chance we see both.

      • Jim Walker

        After Monday night I could see Greene as an opener with Santillan (or Guiterrez) working behind him. With the moves in the last 24 hours, if those 2 could get the Reds to 8th, they would have a real shot of bringing home wins from that rotation slot.

      • Steelerfan

        If hey hadn’t missed all last year, maybe, but right now I would take the bet neither shows up, especially since the roster expansion is limited.

    • earmbrister

      Hadn’t considered that. Might not be a bad thing.

  16. Roger Garrett

    With the new acquisitions and the guys coming back from injury all will sort its way out.All 3 guys are better then what we have now based on stats for 2 and what Wilson has done in the past.Lets play and see what happens.Garcia,Hendrix and Osich must go and now.No value in any of them as major league relievers.

  17. Roger Garrett

    Osich has been designated for assignment to clear room for Givens.Just saw it over on the MLB rumor sight as of an hour ago.

  18. Hotto4Votto

    Wonder when the newly acquired players will arrive. With Osich and Garcia off the roster the Reds bullpen is down to 6. Hoffman threw over 20 pitches last night but everyone else should be rested. With Hoffman transitioning to a reliever role I doubt they’d want him to throw consecutive nights at this point. Going to need a good start from Mahle tonight.

    • earmbrister

      Mahle isn’t known for going deep in games.

    • James N. Walker Jr

      Yankees are in Tampa. I’d think there are plenty of commercial flights between there and Chicago. Rockies are in SoCal. Same thing there. Or you know, being an MLB club there might be timeshare private jet transportation available either via the Reds (or ownership) or possibly an MLB pool.

      • Hotto4Votto

        Right. Transportation isn’t the issue. I’m assuming there will be physicals and some level of adjustment time. You don’t typically see guys appear for the team they are traded to the day of a trade.

  19. docproc

    Brach has to go. Hitters have figured out that after all his herky-jerky motions, he lays fastballs in the middle of the plate. Never pitches inside to righties, which is why he has a 5.94 ERA against them this season.
    His July ERA is 6.75. In 10.2 innings this month, he’s given up 12 hits, 12 runs (8 earned), and 5 walks. He’s taken a loss and has two blown saves.
    PLEASE move on from this guy.

    • Indy Red Man

      He’s fine with 2-3 days rest every time. He’s just too old for constant use and Bell has no other alternatives. He was very good until like 10 days before the AS break. They shouldn’t need him that bad now and I doubt he’s back next year.

    • JayTheRed

      I feel like Bell has had to overuse him because he has had success and that is why. I have noticed that if he has a day or two off he comes in and does a nice job. I think someone above mentioned that Brach has pitched in 7 of the last 10 games. As a pitcher myself in my younger days I know I would not have done very well doing that. Brach should stay.

  20. SultanofSwaff

    Hate to look a gift horse in the mouth and all that, but I just can’t let go of the thought that the bullpen has been a dumpster fire all season and that these small bore trades with little financial or prospect impact were likely available long before now. You have to expect the team to play better moving forward, but the hole has already been dug. If they fall just short we fans will rightly understand the front office got caught flat footed but they will argue (as they do every year) that it was injuries. Must stink for the players to compete against the opponents while overcoming the shortsightedness of the owner at the same time. Lord knows we fans can relate.

    These welcome moves feel like an ownership mea culpa.

    • Indy Red Man

      Yeah too little too late in reality, but teams with assets to trade are usually going to wait til the deadline to sort out offers or find that one team thats feeling desperate near the deadline and might overpay

    • earmbrister

      I have to respectfully disagree. Seems like the only reason the NYYs moved their two relievers was to create space to acquire someone else. So no, they probably weren’t available until now. Givens was in high demand at the deadline, and probably the result of extended negotiations: the Rockies held out for the best deal from a rumored 8 (?) interested teams.

      We obviously don’t know what activity the FO has engaged in, but these deals were not likely to have been available until now. They could’ve settled for the NYY duo, but to their credit, they came right back with a rental acquisition from Colorado. Huge additions to the team, 2020 showed that a late flourish can get you into the playoffs.

      • Indy Red Man

        We swept Milw in mid-June. The front office knew the Reds could hang with Milw head-to-head and they knew Antone was going to be out a while in June as well. They could’ve got somebody a month ago? Atleast one decent reliever. Bell goes from having Osich pitch the 8th with a 1 run lead to being cut 4-5 days later. Insane

  21. burtgummer01

    I can’t figure out the fixation on Sims.a few of the pitchers currently in the pen have either better numbers or comparable ones and they all stink while Sims is Aroldis Chapman jr

    • Indy Red Man

      Well he was great last year so they had high hopes coming into this year. He is pretty hard to hit with his short arm delivery. Its just the walks and going 3-1 on everybody.
      44 Ks in 28 innings this year. 13 hits in 25 innings last year. He does have talent!

  22. ClevelandRedsFan

    I really want to know what the front office’s future vision is. Do they think it’s worth it to go for a playoff spot this year when the Reds are seven back? Are they trying to get better for 2022 and 2023 as some of these relievers are on multi-year deals? Are they trying to go for a winning season and boost ticket sales to make a run at re-signing Castellanos or extending Winker?

    Are they making small trades to hopefully get lucky and sneak into the playoffs without risking the future?

    So far it seems like the last approach represents current vision. They aren’t all mutually exclusive too. I’d love to know the plan going into 2022 as well.

    RLN: what would you do?

    • Indy Red Man

      “Are they making small trades to hopefully get lucky and sneak into the playoffs without risking the future?’

      That one! Cessa will be here next year and he’s pretty good! He can go 2-3 innings and keeps the ball in the ballpark. My thinking is maybe they sign either Givens or Lorenzen next year too.

    • Steelerfan

      Really interesting post, and I think “Are they making small trades to hopefully get lucky and sneak into the playoffs without risking the future?” is the answer.

      And I tentatively think it might actually be the right call. We are not close enough to sell the farm, but if you can make some marginal moves that get you the WC, take that shot. You can argue the timing, but sellers always have an incentive to wait to see if they can get a better offer.

      And while we can and should criticize the front office for being cheap (although tell that to Clevelandredsfan about the Indians, who are a whole different world of cheap) they took on salary to make the Yankees trade work.

  23. Klugo

    Is this guy a rental or does he have time/options left on his contract?

    • Grand Salami

      This one is a rental. The two from the Yankees come with control, one expensive and one cheap.

  24. Jack

    I like these moves. None of these guys are all stars but they are solid major leaguers replacing guys who frankly aren’t solid or major league caliber at this point or maybe ever. They can bridge the gap till Sims and Antone are ready then move down the totem pole a couple notches but still be useful

  25. Roger Garrett

    I hope they are trying to get and stay competitive for a long time.This year we can see a new core starting to emerge and we can see pitching depth in the minors and this years draft got rave reviews from Keith Law of all people.I think they may be on to something but its all on ownership to pull it all together and to get some players to fill in the holes.We will see but its always been about letting the young guys play and for that I am excited.Now give AA some more at bats and lest see if we have another core guy ready for next year and beyond.

  26. Indy Red Man

    Thats awesome! I throw out a bunch of stuff and most of it doesn’t stick, but I did ask for Givens at one point. There aren’t that many teams that are statistically out of it that will deal you somebody you need. Its still too little to late for this season unless we sweep the 3 in Milw a month from now. A sweep is mandatory now with Milw rolling thru the Pirates 8 more times before we see them. 6-2 minimum probably

    So I look at it in the context of 2022 and Givens isn’t signed, but you bring in guys and see how they look. Gabp isn’t easy so let them adjust then if they like the organization then maybe we sign Givens or Lorenzen, etc and put together a great staff next year!

    • Redsfan4life

      Indy,You throwing out trade ideas? Never.

      • Indy Red Man

        I had Puig, Castellanos, Sonny, and Givens. Not too bad. Jorge Soler is the guy I want now, but not sure where he would play if Nick comes back? Wink in CF? Uggghhh

  27. Chris Holbert

    We, RLN, have been clamoring for BP improvement, but do not sell the future. I think the FO is attempting to do that. What they have picked up cannot be worse, and should be an improvement. They have not given much up, in theory, one never knows about prospects, so outwardly it looks as though management is attempting to step up. Hopefully with the returning guys, BP and position players, they can say competitive and have not mortgaged any of their top prospects.

  28. Indy Red Man

    Givens:

    Camden, Coors, and Gabp. What did he do to baseball?

      • Indy Red Man

        Parks matter. Thats why I was asking for Castellanos like 4 years ago.
        I read somewhere at that time that he led mlb in 380+ foot outs (or 390?) whatever it was. Comerica is huge! I figured if we got him then those balls leave the yard. He has like a 1.050 ops at gabp

  29. RedsGettingBetter

    I wonder if the front-office is done right now with the trades made since yesterday or something more is coming…

    • Bet on Red

      I think something more is coming. I bet they are on the phone with Miami right now as MIA has signaled they are open for business.

      • RedsGettingBetter

        Looking for Yimi García? Hopefully they are on phone with Nats too, talking about Daniel Hudson or Turner … could be?

      • Indy Red Man

        I’d give up a ton for Jazz Chisholm, but he’s like the face of their franchise now. Could be an infielder version of Eric Davis. He took 100 mph DeGrom heater upper deck earlier this year and I bet he’s like 175 lbs at most

      • Bet on Red

        A reunion with Floro is not out of the question

  30. Old-school

    The Reds only have 24 on their active roster.
    I hope Cessa and Wilson can get to Wrigley in time.

    I dont think I can take another “Cionel Perez has been added to the 26 man roster “ move for tonight’s game.

  31. Steve Schoenbaechler

    My take with these trades. . .

    I just don’t want to see a 2 month rental that is going to cost us many valuable players/prospects.

    You always want to trade from a point of strength. Right now, most our strength we could trade is hurt or playing because of injuries to others. If we have any strength right now, I would think it’s minor league starting pitching. And, I’m not so sure you trade much of that away.

    I can understand, prospects exist for 2 reasons: 1) to replace players on the major league rosters, and 2) tradebait. If you aren’t going to use them to replace others on the major league roster, I believe you’ve found what to do with them.

    But, I don’t want what Jocketty did. If I recall correctly, Jocketty essentially gutted our minor league system of prospects, where in almost a blink of an eye, we went from having one of the best farm systems in the league to one of the worst, because all of the prospects were either traded or signed away in FA, with no one to take their place.

    With the previous deal, we can’t judge it because we don’t know what we will have to give up. But, “for now”, I like it.

    For this deal, I do like this. We give up 2 lower level prospects, if you can call them that, for seemingly a proven reliever? I can take that.

    • Old-school

      Jockey didnt gut the farm system.He stocked it full.

      He got Brandon Finnegan and John Lamb and Cody Reed and Dilson Herrera and Max Wotell and Jose Peraza and Scott Schebler and Brandon Dixon and Rookie Davis and Caleb Cotham and Eric Jagielo and Tony Renda and Adam Duvall and Kerry Mella.

      The return on Jonny Cueto Jay Bruce Todd Frazier Aroldis Chapman Mike Leake.

      • Steve Schoenbaechler

        Who’s still here? Who’s still playing? Who’s still here? Who’s still playing?

        We won’t mention Finnegan started with the big club, not the minors, after being with the Royals and the WS team. So did Lamb. Peraza was only in the minors for half a season, after being with the Dodgers big club. Cody Reed barely got out of the minors for a drink of water with the big club, much less any success.

        Should we go into the Peraza deal happened in December, but Walk resigned in November? Same with Chapman?

        Make sure you check your numbers and dates before you post.

  32. Old-school

    So did Colorado basically send Case Williams to the Reds last year to get some real pitching instruction for a year from Boddy and crew and now they want him back?

  33. James

    Ok. So I feel like I like this trade. Micheal Gyvens is a decent pitcher, the only takeaway I feel like, is these are decent players we gave up. Number 25 and 20 prospects.
    8 out of 10 stars

  34. Melvin

    These moves, as said earlier, should at least give motivation and encouragement to players and fans. Maybe more to come. Who knows now?

  35. LDS

    Lineup is out and Bell once again has Suarez at 5th. The only reason he didn’t strand a bunch of runners last night is Votto cleared them first. If Suarez must play, slide him to 8th, and slide the rest up a slot. Bell is doing his best to dampen today’s positive news by being his usual self. I’d almost bet that once the new guys are on the bench, Wilson will get the first opportunity.

    • wkuchad

      Who cares?

      There’s four hitters in the lineup hitting substantially better than Suarez. Those hitters are 1 through 4 in the lineup. It makes little to no difference if Suarez bats #5 or #9.

      Like I said, copy/paste same comment on every single article.

      • RojoB

        Can say the same about this post that complains about the post that you say is copy pasted.

        Everyone is frustrated about something. But we all just want our Redlegs to win

      • LDS

        2 of the first 4 get on and 2 make outs, you telling me slot 5 doesn’t matter? Doesn’t matter if you’re analytics oriented or traditional, the worst hitter in the league batting 5th is indefensible. The team has better options than Suarez. And I’m not convinced that Senzel or Moose push Suarez to the bench. Bad managers in any domain are inexcusable.

    • Indy Red Man

      Aquino 8th lolllll. Better then nothing I guess. Who knows? I do like that Bell is starting to ease Stephenson into games vs rhp. Tucker get 7.5 mil next year so they may deal him if they’re trying to afford resigning Nick?

      Geno? I know you’ve given up and I’m close, but 2019 wasn’t that long ago. He had a .930 ops and $11/mil year isn’t bad at all if he produced anything. He’s a shorter guy and should have a short/fixable swing in theory. Anthony Rendon gets $35/mil a year for .240 and 6 hrs. Moose at $18/mil is what bothers me. He was never at Geno’s 2019 level

      • LDS

        I imagine there are folks that still hope that about Davis. We’re at a full season of games over the last two years and little evidence of improvement. I like HRs as much as the next fan but putting the ball in play would result in more wins. Suarez either no longer can or won’t. And Bell indulging Geno’s Bonds fantasies is hurting the team. And while you certainly know baseball better than I from a playing perspective, I have no doubt what the numbers say or that Bell is a lousy manager.

    • Melvin

      I agree. It’s still rediculous and will continue to be. But hey. He’s got us talking about him again and I guess that’s what he wants. Let’s just try to forget about him and win anyway. There’s lots of positives. At least AA is playing instead of Aki. He’s the one batting 8th. hahahaha!!!!

      • Roger Garrett

        Yeah he ought to get a bunch of pitches to hit hitting 8th.So lets see Joey won’t get anything to hit and neither will Aquino and you know what Eugenio will do and we know that Mahle won’t help so its up to the other 5 guys to get it done.Sounds like a win tonight.Not being sarcastic its just this team sees this type of little league stuff every day.Throw in the awful pen and these guys just man up and say bring it on we can handle it.Just think what could happen if things were different ownerwise and with a different manager.

      • Melvin

        Yeah. The good thing is it’s still exciting. We just have to put you know who out of our mind as much as possible and enjoy all the positives. Not easy some times. I know.

  36. Bet on Red

    So if we have picked up three pitchers, We DFAed Osich and Garcia…. who is the last roster move

  37. Steelerfan

    Well, at least we are not batting Suarez first to get him going…

    I am not going to put batting order as the highest of sins, especially after 1-4, but you do need to find out in Aquino can be for real, and the more ABs the better. Although I admit I am irrationally exuberant about him since in my OOTP 2017 game (which ran into 2026 before my old computer died) he put together 5 40HR seasons…

  38. CFD3000

    My big problem with Suarez batting 5th is protection for Votto (or Stephenson) at cleanup. Right now Votto in particular is scorching hot. Why would anyone pitch to Votto in a critical situation with Suarez behind him? I’d give Votto the IBB and take my chances with Suarez every time. Swap AA and Geno and at least there’s a decision to be made there. Through last night opponents have pitched to Votto but that may come to a very quick end if Suarez remains 5th in the order. We’ll see tonight… Go Reds!

    • Roger Garrett

      Exactly but Bell should know that right?Keep in mind they walked Joey Monday night with the bases loaded and nobody out.Worked out cause Suarez fanned.

    • Melvin

      Yep. Last night they were solo home runs. Who in his right mind would pitch to just about anybody with runners on base when they know Geno is next? But hey. With his hit last night though he’s up to .173 and it’s only the end of July. He’s coming around. Don’t worry. 🙂

  39. docproc

    CTR reports that Cessa is at Wrigley Field and ready to pitch tonight if needed.
    Just checked and he last pitched on July 22, so he’s fresh.
    Hasn’t given up an earned run in three July outings.
    Welcome to the brave new world that is the Reds bullpen, Mr. Cessa.

  40. Colorado Red

    Not impressed.
    Sorry, but I have watched a lot of Rockies games this year (watching one now).
    He seemed to be ok, but I would have thought, he would have had more innings pitched this year.
    Well, at least we did not give up the farm.

  41. Michael B Green

    Kudos to our GM. Creating roster flexibility to allow for these trades without create a DFA nightmare was well played. If some others come back from the IL, I think you are see some DFA/Waiver moves, so everyone needs to perform if they are on the bubble.

    It is nice to be one of those teams that is not cashing in the season in August and trying to position themselves for the draft.

    Go Cinci!