The Cincinnati Reds will be looking to sweep the St. Louis Cardinals this afternoon after taking the first two games of the series and six in a row against the Cardinals. First pitch is set for 1:10pm ET.

Starting Lineups

St. Louis Cardinals

Cincinnati Reds

Dylan Carlson – RF Jonathan India – 2B
Paul Goldschmidt – 1B Jesse Winker – LF
Nolan Arenado – 3B Tyler Stephenson – C
Tyler O’Neill – LF Joey Votto – 1B
Paul DeJong – SS Tyler Naquin – CF
Tommy Edman – 2B Aristides Aquino – RF
Harrison Bader – CF Kyle Farmer – SS
Andrew Knizner – C Mike Freeman – 3B
Johan Oviedo – SP Sonny Gray – SP

Starting Pitchers

Sonny Gray

With a 3.65 ERA on the season, Sonny Gray will look to improve in his only showing against the Cardinals this season. Back on April 23rd he allowed 5 earned runs in just 3.2 innings against St. Louis. It was his worst start of the season.

There are some rather large splits for Sonny Gray this season. Righties are hitting .290/.363/.443 against him this season. Lefties are hitting just .197/.287/.323 against him this year. He’s also pitched a bit better on the road than at home, but he’s been good at home as he’s posted a 3.86 ERA in eight starts this season at Great American Ball Park.

Pitch usage from 2021

4-Seam 2-Seam Slider Change Curve
Velo 92.6 92.8 82.5 88.1 79.8
Usage 24% 28% 18% 5% 25%

Johan Oviedo

The Cardinals rookie has made 12 starts and 1 relief appearance this year and has posted a 4.81 ERA. He’s walked 31 batters and struck out just 45. Oviedo faced Cincinnati back on June 5th and allowed 2 runs in 4.0 innings.

From a lefty/right perspective the splits aren’t too large in some ways for Oviedo. Righties have a .708 OPS while lefties have a .798 OPS. That’s big, but not dramatic. How they get there is quite different, though. Lefties walk more than they strike out – 20 to 18 times in 138 plate appearances. Righties have 11 walks and 27 strikeouts against him this season in 127 plate appearances. The big splits are home and road. Away from the friendly ballpark for pitchers that is Busch Stadium, Oviedo has a 5.92 ERA and batters have hit .283/.410/.485 against him with 20 walks and just 14 strikeouts in six starts.

Pitch usage from 2021

4-Seam Change Slider Curve
Velo 95.0 86.9 85.6 76.9
Usage 54% 11% 24% 11%

When and Where

  • Game time: 1:10pm ET
  • Where: Great American Ball Park, Cincinnati
  • Watch: Bally Sports Ohio,,
  • Listen: 700 WLW AM (Cincinnati area)
  • Forecast: ­85°, mostly cloudy, 13% chance of rain

News and Notes

Luis Castillo’s ERA goes up over night

The official scorer made a change in yesterday’s game, turning an error by Eugenio Suárez into a hit and as a result that turned the run from unearned to earned against Luis Castillo. That would give him an ERA of 4.20 on the season. His ERA over his last 10 starts also jumped up to 1.71. Kind of rude if you as me.

NL Central Standings

Playoff odds via Fangraphs

Team W L GB Playoff %
Brewers 58 41 0 93.0%
Reds 51 47 6.5 13.7%
Cardinals 49 50 9.0 2.4%
Cubs 48 51 10.0 1.7%
Pirates 38 60 19.5 0.0%

275 Responses

  1. docproc

    Unhappy they’re starting Freeman at 3rd instead of Alejo Lopez (who is a switch-hitter, David Bell).

      • BZ

        Both are better options than Freeman who should never get a start. This roster needs to be made “Bell Proof” for the stretch run.

    • LDS

      I was hoping Suarez out if the lineup was a prelude to his trade. Once I was hoping for Story. Now I’d settle for a couple of young, triple A prospects

    • Alan Horn

      Exactly the same post I was going to make until I saw your post. I am starting to get weary of our manager or whomever is making these decisions. Day in and day out I see evidence of over or under managing. He is not using his bench players enough to keep them sharp and effective. Again, send Lopez back down and let him play everyday before they ruin him.

  2. JA

    Time for the Reds to step up on day’s games. They have been awful lately when playing in sun light.

  3. Bet on Red

    Reds have already won the series. Time to get the sweep. Need Help from the south side of Chicago.

    • Jim Walker

      The old song says the south side of Chicago is the baddest part of town. Hopefully the Sox will show that side today,

      • Bet on Red

        bad bad leroy brown…. badest man in the whole downtown

      • Indy Red Man

        Geno looks a jigsaw puzzle with a couple of pieces gone

        Cause hes bad bad so set Geno down

      • beelicker

        That’s you right, Big Jim? The pool shootin’ son of a gun from down 42nd street?

  4. RedsGettingBetter

    Freeman case is like a Heineman’s part II… Well Heineman was DFA and released or is
    he around there in Louisville yet? I’m not clear about that

    • Jim Walker

      I don’t see Heineman on the Bats website roster page. Guess that means he is over the rainbow.

    • Doug Gray

      He was released so he could pursue an opportunity to play in Japan.

  5. Redsfan4life

    Does anyone ever stop to think maybe Bell thinks Freeman is the better defensive 3b between Lopez and Schrock?
    Or do they just like to bash Bell daily?

    • wkuchad

      Careful, common sense won’t get you far on this site.

    • Alan Horn

      He may be but he has a zero bat. You bring his type in late in the game as a defensive replacement. You go with offense early in the game.

    • Indy Red Man

      Well since street vendors in Bangladesh could see that Brach didn’t have it last night, but it took Bell 7 screaming liners to figure it out then he deserves whatever he gets.

      I could also point out 9 different ways he blew that 15-11 game the other night. The one positive I’ll give him is that they play hard. They don’t mail games in and thats hard to do when they play so many games.

      • Bet on Red

        I think it took 3 batters for bell to relize it…. then another 4 for doolittle to get warm

      • Indy Red Man

        Not just last night. Brach showed signs of overuse before the break. He’s 35? Even if he breezes thru an inning one night, he still had to crank it up as he warmed up. He needs 2 days rest atleast and I’ve been saying this for a month now. Santillan is much younger! Use him!

  6. DataDumpster

    Not to pile on but the Suarez situation is obviously of the most concern now. I thought the only reason Freeman is on the team because he is apparently the only one who can acceptably play SS if Farmer is out. I know Mike raised his BA to best Suarez but even this low “accomplishment” doesn’t make up for the fact that he has 18 Ks and no extra-base bits in 56 PAs this year.
    Meanwhile, both Lopez and Schrock languish after each are tearing it up in AAA and showed promise with abbreviated stints here. Never can figure out this David Bell but if this is somehow a prelude to Suarez “riding the pine at least half the time” when Moose reappears, then he can have some more rope (if he needs it).

    • A

      And all the while Lopez gets zero chance to see what he can do. Schrock would be the next option.

  7. Mark Moore

    Puzzled like most everyone else here. I get his glove might rate a little higher (though I’d question it as all parties under consideration have a pretty small sample size). The weak bat as opposed to the other options is a puzzle. Play him for Farmer and give that man a day off if you feel you need to play him. But sit Geno and that’s who you use given the roster?

    Puzzled …

  8. Old-school

    Cards came into this series 5-2 since the ASB. A sweep by the Reds would be big. Go Reds

    • Indy Red Man

      Big for 2nd place which ain’t that big. Milw has 9 games coming up with Pitt by mid-August. Wong is back and everyone seems to be doing something but Yelich. I don’t see us getting that close again? Of course I hope I’m wrong. Its always fun to win and there is the wildcard too.

      • Mark Moore

        Yes to all you said. The Bernies are pouring it on and will remain tough to catch. Challenge with the WC is we’re chasing 2 of three in the toughest division out there. They are all motivated and very well funded. We’re motivated for sure. As for funding? Eh …

  9. Tom Mitsoff

    Jonathan India’s OBP in July: .518. Not a typo.

    • Slicc50

      The kid is awesome, just think, he will only get better!

  10. Mark A Verticchio

    I’m not sure when you consider their schedules that the Padres might be an easier team to catch. They have to play the Dodgers, Giants and go to Colorado a lot while the Brewers seem to play the pirates every other day.

    • Mark Moore

      Good point. Dodgers and Friars beating each other up could provide an avenue.

  11. Mark Moore

    Keep Goldy off the bases. That’s a key to the game, so first AB accomplished.

    Now to baffle Arenado.

  12. Bet on Red

    Bally sports…”there is a game on” Producer: show random pictures of a boat

  13. Mark Moore

    Bit of a cookie there … but now we get to come from behind, so that’s what we like to do best, right?

    • Bet on Red

      down two against a rookie pitcher with a horrible ERA…. the Cardnals stand no chance.

      • Mark Moore

        Right. That’s what I’m thinking. Just want to give them a sporting chance.

      • J

        If the Reds wanted to give them a sporting chance, they’d have 3 run lead heading into the 7th with Gray out of the game.

  14. Indy Red Man

    Worried about Sonny. He’s only had #2 starter electric stuff like 2-3 times this year. The game in LA and the White Sox game in gabp. Usually its 93 and 91 by the 4th inning and trying to hit the corners. I guess he’s smart enough to be a good 4th starter regardless, but he’s fun to watch when everything is clicking!

  15. Indy Red Man

    Took Over 9.5

    Rotowire showed this ump averages 9.3 runs per game so no surprise that he didn’t give the close one to Stephenson. Its crazy how each ump has a completely different strike zone?

    • Bet on Red

      went a different route and took a “hit every inning bet” think that today might be that day

  16. Bet on Red

    BUT BUT BUT….. do i even need to say it

    • Mark Moore

      Nope. He’s having quite the resurgence. Makes me happy to think about him as DH starting next year.

    • JB

      I wish he would just do us a favor and retire.

  17. Mark Moore

    Kind of like that … only missing piece would be JI getting on to make it 4-2 now.

  18. Slicc50

    Joey Votto, fellow Reds fans, He is back!

    • Tom Mitsoff

      His July numbers: .299 BA, .427 OBP, .949 OPS — all before his first-inning at-bat.

  19. Arthur

    Why would a Cardinals manager ever pitch to Mr Votto with runners on base??

    Cardinal. It’s the other white meat. ?

  20. Dennis Westrick

    Late to the party guys! Was pressure washing the pool deck until it started to rain! Checked the score first before posting this comment and saw we were down 2-0. Then Votto happened! The guy is amazing and probably won’t get into the HOF!

    • Mark Moore

      Didn’t we ban you from watching games this weekend? You trying to jinx us?

      • Dennis Westrick

        Thought my personal jinx might spread to the Reds last night! Had to bail with LC pitching in the top of the 7th and 1 out. Heard a loud crash from the master bedroom and rushed back to find that the mirror on the bi-fold closet door had fallen off and smashed into a million pieces. That’s 7 years bad luck right?

  21. Dennis Westrick

    Also, posted a comment shortly after the All Star break that the Reds need to focus on winning each series from here on out whether 2 of 3 or 3 of 4. Now that the Reds have accomplished that goal in this series against the Dirty Birds lets complete the sweep! Yes, get the brooms out and sweep up the bird feathers and other droppings!

    • Mark Moore

      Yep. The 2 eggs we laid right out of the gate put a major bite in that plan as well. A sweep here and then at least 3 of 4 from the Stupid Cubs in Wrigleyville would help ease the pain and memories of that.

  22. Slicc50

    It’s a darn shame guys. If this front office could just get a guy to replace Suarez and a shutdown bullpen pitcher, I would put this team up against any team in the National league! This team has some of the intangibles it takes to WIN! They are just still a little short in a couple areas.

  23. Dennis Westrick

    Nice bounce back inning from my favorite Reds pitcher!

  24. Mark Moore

    Swinging bunt. Nice hustle from a guy who is beat up to begin with.

  25. Mark Moore

    Minimally productive AB there. At least going to give India a chance once Gray does his thing.

  26. Mark Moore

    Just a little bingo from India will do it. A flair, a gork, a groundball with eyes …

  27. Redsfan4life

    And that is why Freeman is playing. 2nd good play today.

    • MBS

      Lol, I was going to make that statement but pulled myself back

  28. Bet on Red

    even though it will be overturned nice play by freeman. I am not too off of the start here

    • Bet on Red

      oh its not going to be overturned… we are going to see someone tossed

  29. Mark Moore

    Schildt getting denied because he missed his 20-second window?

    • Mark Moore

      Now he’s just looking to get jacked. Next time he chirps about something a little too long, he’s gone.

      • Bet on Red

        i thought he was going to get tossed there

    • Tom Mitsoff

      If I could use memes here, it would be the kid from the Simpsons — HA HA!

      • Tom Mitsoff

        That’s the one! (just don’t know how to post them here) 😉

  30. JB

    Haha Cardinals dont get their way for once.

  31. Arthur

    Do a search on “Reds trade rumors.” You will find articles about the Reds unloading Gray, Castillo, and\or Miley for minor-league prospects.

    Win today, and smack around the Cubbies next week, and I think we can put that type of rumor to bed.

    • Mark Moore

      Arm wasn’t quite as strong, but it was deadly accurate. That’s what made it.

  32. Mark Moore

    Nice focus, AA! And a nice catch by the fan as well.

  33. Bet on Red

    Aquino saying he has to match Shogo for Defensive Prowess

    • Tom Mitsoff

      Not likely, but A for effort. 😉

    • MBS

      End of games should have both Aquino and Shogo in the OF. Naquin is not on their level of fielding.

      • Tom Mitsoff

        I don’t have the analytics, but the eye test tells me Akiyama is the best defender on this team not named Barnhart. Shogo was a Gold Glove finalist last year.

      • MBS

        Yes, Shogo is our best defensive OF, including the injured Senzel. Senzel has the advantage of superior speed, but watching Senzel against the wall or diving after the ball is painful. Both to watch, and for Senzel’s body.

      • Indy Red Man

        Shogo can’t throw though. That shows up more on the road with bigger parks. Not as important at home. He can really go get the ball though. By far the best on the team

  34. dhmorgan

    Aquino showing he’s not afraid of walls.
    I hope he’s careful and doesn’t get hurt.

  35. dhmorgan

    Naquin hasn’t homered for quite a while.
    Time for one here?

  36. JB

    Wade Miley needs to tape Suarezs bat immediately

    • Mark Moore

      I’ve got to believe if The Hulk tapes your bats, you accept it and just say “thanks”

  37. Bet on Red

    So STL manager does get tossed during the break. Shaping up into a really good day

  38. Tom Mitsoff

    It’s going to be an early bullpen day for St. Louis. Oviedo already at 54 pitches in the third inning. And Naquin is working him pretty well at the moment.

  39. Old-school

    Trade rumors galore.
    Twins reportedly are willing to trade a package.

    Taylor Rogers is a lefty controlled in 2022 as well and Andrelton Simmons would upgrade the defense as a rental. The price tag shouldn’t be too high

    The Nationals are reportedly willing to trade anyone not named Juan Soto, including Trae Turner, All-star SS who is controlled next year. Brad Hand lefty All star reliever would be a big pick up but a rental.

    • Mark Moore

      It should all start to heat up headed into this week. Guys will start moving. You just wonder where some like Bryant end up by next weekend. Only wish that would happen sooner so we don’t face him at all.

      • Old-school

        Or face him 7 days in a row?
        Cubs trade him at the deadline to the Mets who the Reds play the next 3.

      • Mark Moore

        I didn’t even think about that Old-School. That would just plain suck.

    • Mark Moore

      MLBTR says Turner isn’t moving.

      • Old-school has article up today
        Scherzer could be moved.
        It’s mostly SI reporter speculation but Ken Rosenthal chimed in on Turner as well.
        His price tag would be huge and with the threat of a meaningless 2022 season, now would not be the time to go all in for Turner…..unless nationals recognize the same thing…they won’t have him much next year either so his price tag is much since hes a rental plus whatever 2022 is.

    • VaRedsFan

      Defense isn’t a problem. They don’t need Simmons and his .221 avg.

      Turner would be great. I said swap Geno for him like 2 years ago

  40. VaRedsFan

    Nice play by India, but he was safe.

  41. Mark Moore

    Yeah, he’s safe this time. No doubt.

  42. Bet on Red

    so its an over sort of day isnt it…. reds going to have to beat up on the Pitching

  43. JB

    Gray doesnt have it. Get him out of there. Give the offense a chance to get those runs back before it’s a blowout.

  44. Mark Moore

    Well, now we’re behind again. Time to start the rally. Perhaps Santillan should be warming?

  45. Indy Red Man

    Sonny will be 32 this year. IDK? Maybe he just hasn’t had enough starts in a row to get his rhythm, but he’s a little guy and they don’t last that long normally.

    Charlie Morton 6’4 and over 220 whatever. Those guys can last, but Sonny is 5’10 and whatever.

    • dhmorgan

      Oh, I don’t know about that.
      Ron Guidry?

  46. Dennis Westrick

    It’s the little things that matter during a game! Like failure to get the first out of the inning or the lead runner in a force out situation! Now work to do to come back and get the sweep!

  47. Indy Red Man

    First 5 have reached. Somebody woke Bell up. Thats step one. 8-3 and he’ll get somebody warmed up

    • Tom Mitsoff

      The unfortunate issue is that anyone you put in at this point is a worse option than what Gray is producing.

    • Indy Red Man

      Doesn’t take a genius to figure out. Bell is horrible. I was wrong on Bell, Geno, Votto, and Miley

      • Tom Mitsoff

        So what Bell has had to call upon is a guy who in his last appearance, allowed four straight guys to reach and three runs without recording an out. Not to say that will happen again today, and I hope it doesn’t, but that is the difficult position Bell is in.

      • TR

        But Bell has real good connections to the front office.

    • Mark Moore

      Your lips to God’s ears … a couple batters too late. That’s a big hole to dig out of now.

  48. Dennis Westrick

    Unfortunately, Sonny doesn’t have it today! Lot’s of time to come back but gotta stop the bleeding now!

  49. Bet on Red

    Not sonnys day….Reds might be able to come back but…. he didnt have his velocity or his location today.

  50. LGR

    “How to leave a pitcher in for to long.” – by Bell

  51. VaRedsFan

    Once they took away the stickum…high spin, high effort guys struggle

    • Mark Moore

      Does seem to be a general trend that way.

  52. Slicc50

    Wow, I don’t know that I have ever seen Sonny Gray hit like this

  53. Old-school

    Gray pitched great july 2 to beat the Cubs 2-1.

    Reds won his start against KC 5-2 July 7and looked sharp. Then went on the IL for 10 days and has had 2 starts since the KC game separated by 1 week. He’s either rusty or hurt.

  54. Gpod

    that was the definition of the “wheels coming off”

  55. Dennis Westrick

    Classic Bell, one batter too late to make a pitching change! Always! Should have removed Sonny after he retired the Cards pitcher

    • Votto4life

      More like 4 batters too late..time to get ready for the Cubs

      • Slicc50

        Don’t give up yet guys! Remember, we are trying to catch the Brewers here. Have to win at a higher pace than they are. We need this game!

      • Slicc50

        LOL, as I am typing that, Arenado triples to drive in another run!

  56. Bet on Red

    Regardless even if the dirty birds score 10 more we have still won the series. Just got to keep winning series.

  57. Indy Red Man

    Sad thing is Nick has a 1.000 ops at home and Votto is .950ish, but we’re still .500 at home because of the pitching and Suarez.

    The only way Bell will be a good manager is if they take 90% of the decisions out of his hands with set lineups, good pitching, etc. like the Astros and White Sox. Dusty & LaRussa are ineffective fossils, but their teams are so talented that the decisions are not that difficult. “Player” managers can atleast get you to the playoffs in that scenario

    • Tom Mitsoff

      Indy, who would you have brought out of the bullpen who you believe would have had a better chance to get outs than Gray? Just curious.

      • Indy Red Man

        Somebody fresh. I get what you’re saying, but like Brach last night. 7 dudes in a row have to hit screamers before you figure out he ain’t got it? C’mon?

      • Votto4life

        I don’t blame Bell for staying with’s just one of those days. I do blame the owner/front office for not providing Bell a major league bullpen.

        Regardless, there are always going to be days like this.

      • Hanawi

        Santillan. He’s supposedly the long man is he not?

      • Old-school

        I would have brought in Santillan.
        He’s pitched 1 inning since Wednesday and 2 innings all week. He was throwing 100 pitches a game in May and June. Plus- you need to keep him stretched out when the next Sonny Gray IL stent comes- maybe tomorrow.

    • Mark Moore

      Good comparison. And I know we’re hard on DB for the most part on this forum. Frankly, I wouldn’t want his job.

      But if he can’t find his “Goldilocks spot” and keeps either over-managing (Tinker Bell) or under managing (like leaving Gray in 1-2 batters too many) it won’t get any better.

      Yes, the players “love playing for him”. But they don’t need another team mate. They need somebody to make hard decisions and do unpopular things (like benching Suarez). And if the FO is really pulling that many strings and Bell can’t take those kinds of actions, then we’re really up you-know-what creek and the paddles are in splinters.

      • Tom Mitsoff

        I’m going to defend Bell here. I think Gray with his successful track record has a better chance to turn things around than anyone who could have come out of the current bullpen in that spot. They’re not going to use Brach or Hembree, the only two guys I would trust to have a chance do that, there. Those two are the current late-inning guys. So, as manager, you have Osich, Doolittle, Garcia, Hendrix, Hoffman and Santillan to choose from.

      • Hanawi

        How in the world do you trust Brach? He’s been pretty terrible in July. Plus, he’s thrown the last two days because Bell continues his “guys can’t pitch more than one inning” philosophy. It wears the bullpen down.

      • Tom Mitsoff

        That’s a valid point, and makes my point even more clear.

      • DataDumpster

        I don’t like Bell but today Gray had a little unexpected blow up early and as Tom said the options that early in the game are not too good since Bell will have to use 5 guys to clean up. Can’t win them all but I really would like to see Santillan (or anybody really) show 2 good innings. Why is this seemingly not possible anymore? This team will not improve from here is 5 pitchers are needed each night, win or lose.

  58. JB

    Maybe it’s time to go sit on the porch for the day.

  59. Dennis Westrick

    Why not Santillan! As a former starter he should be ideal to give you 3 even 4 innings?

    • Mark Moore

      Had the same thought. 1 brief inning 2 days ago and he does have closer to starting stuff when he’s on.

  60. Mark Moore


    Big hole and we do have the series. But we can make all this up and more. Problem is can we keep the Dirty Birds in check given they seem to be in the zone.

  61. Bet on Red

    alright… time for the epic comeback of the year.

  62. Arthur

    Here’s a question about the future. The Reds have some excellent starting pitchers who are soon to be on the major league roster. Further, in my opinion, Tejay Antone should be in the rotation sooner rather than later. So …. Of the 5 starters right now (Castillo, Gray, Wiley, Mahle, and Gutierrez), which of them will not be pieces of the rotation in 9 or 10 months??

    In summation, who comes, who goes, and who stays??

    • Hanawi

      This is where the Reds need to decide if they are in or out, because they could get a pretty good package coming back for Castillo, Mahle or even Miley right now. They have guys coming plus Santillan, Gutierrez and Antone who are already here and in the bullpen. They should be trading from strength to fill in some gaps.

    • LGR

      I think Guti has the stuff to be a very solid bullpen arm. I’d like to see Castillo stay. Strikeout/groundout pitchers are what you need to at least try to be competitive in GABP. So I’ll go Castillo, Antone, Miley, Greene, Lodolo.

      • LGR

        I think you look to trade him. Unfortunately I think it’s going to be a similar situation to Desclafani where Mahle could be a borderline All Star out of Cincinnati.

  63. LGR

    Good game to put Alejo in for some AB’s. Need baserunners.

  64. Gpod

    After Gray’s last outing, in his postgame, he said how disappointed he was in himself….wanted to take a re-evaluation …..well it didn’t go too well….what is he gonna say after this debacle. It’s too bad he’s going in the opposite direction of Castillo

  65. Indy Red Man

    Hit my Over again. When Sonny is at 93 and the big curveball isn’t there then forget it. He’s better then this, but I think like 4.25 is the new normal. Roy Oswalt wasn’t a big guy and he lasted a long time, but 32-33 years old might be about it when you’re 5’10 and 180. If he keeps that big curve, maybe he becomes a closer or something for a few years.

  66. Bet on Red

    did schrock just walk on a count that turned 3-2

    • Mark Moore

      I thought he did, but apparently they were behind updating the stat line on screen.

    • Mark Moore

      Or we switched to beer league softball rules and everybody starts with a 1-1 count.

      • Old-school

        That’s also summer /fall high school prospect showcase rules except a walk doesn’t count and you start again 1-1. Sucks for the hitter. Great for the pitcher

  67. Mark Moore

    Looks like India could have used a day off as well. He’s not looking like himself either. Those were some wild swings.

  68. Bet on Red

    Alright, Hoffman can certainly go a few innings and save the rest of the Bullpen.

  69. TR

    Down 6, 5 innings to go for the possible sweep.

  70. Slicc50

    I am really hoping that Hoffman can be successful out of the bullpen. That would help things out a little bit.

    • Mark Moore

      Yes. Between him and Santillan the former SP profile can add something we’ve lacked, especially in these situations.

  71. Dennis Westrick

    Hoffman is a White Flag pitcher!

    • LDS

      Pulling India for Schrock instead of pulling Freeman is the white flag. So with Hoffman pitching, who goes back in the rotation Gutierrez or Santillian? Glad I didn’t pay much attention to this game before now.

      • Mark Moore

        Guitierrez is still in the rotation

    • Hanawi

      Cannot for the life of me see what the Reds FO value in him. He’s never been good, even in the minors. His MLB career ERA is over 6 and he’s had plenty of opportunity.

      • LGR

        He’s also pitched a majority of his games in Colorado and Cincinnati. Give the mans a break lol.

      • Hanawi

        Granted yes. But, he’s got a better ERA at home than on the road this year and his career road ERA is still over 5.00.

    • MBS

      I’m just glad Hoffman is no longer being looked at as a starter. As a reliever he couldn’t be worse than what we’ve got. Give him his 10 outings to see if he can be anything.

  72. Old-school

    I dont want to go down the David bell manager road other than to say I am quite confident he and Nick Krall collaborate very closely and are very much on the same exact page.

    For that reason, I do think that Hoffman pitching and Santillan not pitching after only 2 innings all week is significant. It’s also telling that Gutierrez is the #5 and article in the Enquirer this morning about him working on a sinker with DJ.

    Gutierrez is a starter
    Hoffman is filler
    Santillan is being groomed long term as a hold reliever
    He and Antone will be long term buddies out in the pen

  73. Mark Moore

    Will JV even get a pitch to hit?

  74. Tom Mitsoff

    You have to know that despite a 9-3 lead, Cardinals fans are on pins and needles with the bullpen they have — just as Reds fans would be concerned with a six-run lead in the fifth.

    • Mark Moore

      More like pins OR needles now … not both

  75. Mark Moore

    How is Oviedo still pitching? Seems like we should have chased him 2 innings ago.

    Well that was definitely 4 balls on Naquin.

    • Tom Mitsoff

      My guess is they were trying to get him through five innings to qualify for a win. Now it would be nice to see Aquino and-or Farmer make some noise. Big opportunity to cut into the six-run deficit.

      • Tom Mitsoff

        Just throw Aquino a high fastball.

      • Mark Moore

        Just like in League of Their Own …

        High fastballs. Can’t hit ’em. Can’t lay off ’em.

  76. Mark Moore

    And that opportunity is squandered.

  77. Gpod

    the Cards tried to let Cincinnati back into the game…Reds weren’t good enough to seize the opportunity…..things you need to do to win a division….frustrating as always

    • Mark Moore

      And they tried again but we only scrapped for 1 run

  78. Dennis Westrick

    Need some help from the Fish in Miami and the boys on the south side of Chicago!

    • Mark Moore

      With a solid hit. Imagine that.

    • Mark Moore

      Same one as yesterday I believe. Looks like it’s coming at his legs so he jumps back only to have it it the edge.

    • Mark Moore

      Nope. Happened yesterday as well.

      • LGR

        I mean yea, pitch tracker had it as a ball. But the ump has been calling that all day.

      • beelicker

        mlb .com gameday had it outside the zone as well

    • dhmorgan

      Hard to tell, but I’m glad I’m not a lip reader.

  79. docproc

    Ump wants to go home to A/C. Sucks for Joey.

  80. Mark Moore

    That shirt, shorts, white high socks, and sandals …

  81. Slicc50

    8 hits, 6 bb’s. Can’t say we didn’t have our chances

    • Mark Moore

      Oh, we had our chances alright.

  82. Mariners77

    I have to admit that my attitude toward the game skews to the traditional, but with each passing season I’m coming around to the idea of automated balls and strikes. The inconsistency just becomes aggravating after awhile…

    • Mark Moore

      The utter lack of consistency and any form of accountability has done it in for me. The players deserve that much. The game should never be about an individual umpire’s “interpretation” of things. Frankly, I think they’ve just gotten lazy about it.

      • Hanawi

        Yep. There appears to be no accountability, which is what annoys me the most.

  83. Mark Moore

    That almost beaned him … and they try to give us a way back in AGAIN!

    • Mark Moore

      Like that … that’s a good start.

      Time to put up or shut up, Geno.

  84. Old-school

    So many injuries have led to so many non MLB ready pitchers pitching who didnt pitch at all last year plus severe penalty for sticky stuff creating hbp

    Mlb should have addressed this before but flipping a switch mid season is poor timing

    Wild wild pitchers with no command

  85. LGR

    Actually surprised Geno didn’t hit for Schrock. Nice hit bud.

    • LGR

      Ohhh. That’s why. Forgot India was the pitchers spot.

  86. Mark Moore

    Rally snuffed, but what are you going to do. I’d have sent Geno up in that spot.

    • LDS

      Actually Akiyama hits lefties better than Suarez. The numbers beyond L/R says don’t use Suarez. So much for “analytics”

      • Mark Moore

        I forgot Shogo was still an option

  87. Mark Moore

    Throw the next one at the Bull, Tony

    • DaveCT

      Look on his face after hitting Carlson was classic

  88. Mark Moore

    The 3 guys in the game who could make something happen for us. And whoever they start has to pitch to all of them (assuming it’s a new pitcher).

    • Mark Moore

      Nope – but I still think they keep him in.

  89. Old-school

    Might be watching Michael Lorenzen’s permanent replacement as he exits after 2021

    Santillan Sims and Antone pretty strong righty bullpen potential going forward if healthy

    • Mark Moore

      Quite possibly. And I really like Mikey Biceps. But I don’t think he’ll be back given how this year has played out.

      • Tom Mitsoff

        The front office won’t give him a big offer. And really, no other team should based on his performance.

      • Mark Moore

        That’s what I’m thinking Tom. Poor guy will be on bread and water.

    • Old-school

      Make up call

      Santillan struck out knizer

      Gotta root for Stephenson simply because he doesnt swing at bad pitches and is shift proof

      Hits the ball where its pitched


  90. Tom Mitsoff

    That was strike three to Winker. — NOT! 😉

  91. Indy Red Man

    I said to pull Sonny after 6-3. It would 7-6 worse case scenario and I wouldn’t have pitched Garcia in a game I want to win either. He’s a finish a blowout guy at best.

    Make no mistake, this one is on Bell too. The guy could fall out of a boat and miss the water at times.

    • Old-school

      You took the over!!!

      I gotta feeling reds at GABP in august september scoring some runs against bad teams who have mailed it in

      Reds have had opportunities to score 10 runs

  92. Tom Mitsoff

    Here is the opportunity. I might be inclined to pinch-hit Akiyama for Aquino, based on what we saw with how a hard-throwing righty dispensed quickly of Aquino earlier.

    • Mark Moore

      Which means Shogo goes to CF and Naquin to RF which is better D in both spots.

  93. Bet on Red

    steped out to take a walk, took the reds with me on the phone. No matter what you day they keep fighting. Lets see if we can get it back

    • Mark Moore

      They’ve given us yet another chance. Have to capitalize on this one in a big way.

  94. Arthur

    Naquin MUST put the ball in play there. A strikeout is a huge fail.

    • Mark Moore

      One step up from a DP ball, but I totally agree with you.

  95. Mark Moore

    And we’re down to a banged up Kyle Farmer as our 8th inning great hope. I know he can do it, but seems like we’re asking a lot.

  96. Arthur

    Epic failure by Naquin and AA. Just terrible situational hitting. Two weak ground balls and it would be a 1-run game.

  97. Gpod

    how many times can you fail in one game?

    • RedAlert

      Pathetic at bats right there – another wasted opportunity

  98. Tom Mitsoff

    That inning about sums up this game. So far today, they are 3-for-17 with runners in scoring position.

    • Arthur

      It is worse than that. They didn’t even need a hit to score there. Just make some solid contact.

      Instead, we get a strikeout and two pop-ups, and no runs.

      Did Naquin or Aquino step up to the plate thinking “drive in a run. Put the ball in play and drive in a run.” Or, were they thinking “grand slam and we’ll take the lead and I’ll be the hero.”

      Obviously, I don’t know the answer to that question. But, if they were thinking “put the ball in play,” they failed. Bigly.

      And that is what they should have been thinking. Score a run – perhaps two, and maybe even three. Keep the inning going, and cut into the lead.

  99. Mark Moore

    That’s pretty much the ballgame, friends. That was our best chance and we couldn’t convert.

    I need to think about getting the grill fired up and ready to cook. This will be my 3rd time and last Sunday’s effort was really good. If we all ever meet up, I’ll have pictures to share.

  100. Old-school

    Aquino needs to play against righties and in big situations while Castellanos is out

    He didnt get it done today

    2 k and pop up are bad at bats

    Reds need to see what he does when it matters -not meaningless 2019 september

    Naquin aquino farmer showed why they are role players.

    Bases loaded no outs and nothing

    • Mark Moore

      I’d have rather seen Shogo slap at one personally.

      • Old-school


        Castellanos is gone

        Who is your RF in 2022/23? Or CF for that matter .

        Better find out on Aquino

  101. dhmorgan

    It’s innings like this that lead me to believe that the Reds are good enough to finish in second place in their division, but not good enough to catch the Brewers.
    Just too many lost opportunities.

    • Mark Moore

      Definitely better than the 3 behind us. Well behind the Bernies and the 3 monsters in the NLW.

    • LGR

      It sucks because the Brewers lineup in all honesty is pretty bad. I’d say the Reds, Cardinals and Cubs all have a better lineup. Heck, even the Pirates has 2 starting All Stars. It’s just that starting pitching and back end relief man.

  102. LGR

    Let Alejo and Schrock start in the OF tomorrow. Why not?

    • RedAlert

      You know – cause Bell’s the one with the pencil and it makes too much sense

      I’m with you though !

  103. Mark Moore

    Clete … and we’re done at my house.

    Always good spending an afternoon with y’all. You make even painful days like today better.

  104. Tom Mitsoff

    Hendrix has been pitching batting practice in his recent appearances — serving up monster shots over and over. Time for him to go to Louisville.

      • Old-school

        So he can pitch tomorrow or tuesday when the game is winnable

        Todays game shows Santillan is higher up in the bullpen pecking order.

      • LDS

        Reds games are easier to deal with when you check in at the end instead of watching Bell let another pitcher get hammered

  105. Slicc50

    Wow talk about an opportunity wasted!

  106. TR

    What a lost offensive opportunity. Bases loaded, no outs, down 3, nothing.

  107. Mark A Verticchio

    Hendricks is not a good pitcher at all right now.

  108. Bet on Red

    Hendricks will not survive the upcomming purge of the bullpen due to the releivers getting healthy. Dont think he is the first one out but he will be going out.

  109. DataDumpster

    Santillan our long reliever? That seemed to be the need and the man who could meet the need but couldn’t muster 2 innings today. Instead, let’s give Hendrix another chance to get through an outing without a gopher ball. Wrong! What is David Bell thinking? The team fights back to almost comeback in the last inning but we’ll just give it up now to save another bad reliever for tomorrow.

  110. Bet on Red

    MIA came through for us though. Beat SD already so we do not lose ground in the wildcard

  111. Gpod

    this game would be one that should have been in the win column….any kind of clutch hitting & any kind of half-way decent start by Gray would have been good enough to win this game….this team just can’t seem to get on any kind of a roll for any real length of time

  112. Mark A Verticchio

    The reds need to go out and get a solid out fielder and I’m not talking about Senzel, Naquin, Aquino or Shogo. They could really use a guy like Bader.

  113. Bet on Red

    Larkin said it best. The front office has to show the players and the fans for that matter that they are fighting with them. Will be an interesting week

  114. Mark A Verticchio

    Going back to the start of this series I think most would have settled for 2 out of 3 but, this was a very frustrating game. All in all a very bad 3 and 6 home stand, this next 7 game road trip is key, tough match up tomorrow against Hendricks but Miley is piching. I would hope for a winning road trip, 3 and 4 wouldn’t be fatal but time is running out. The team needs to win 10 of 12 to be taken seriously.

  115. Gpod

    i just watched Gray’s postgame….I think Jim Day was confused by his answers to questions….as I am