The Cincinnati Reds will look to bounce back from Friday night’s loss to the Milwaukee Brewers behind Luis Castillo. First pitch is set for 7:10pm ET.

Starting Lineups

Milwaukee Brewers

Cincinnati Reds

Kolten Wong – 2B Jonathan India – 2B
Christian Yelich – LF Jesse Winker – LF
Willy Adames – SS Tyler Stephenson – C
Omar Narváez – C Joey Votto – 1B
Avisaíl García – RF Tyler Naquin – RF
Jace Peterson – 1B Eugenio Suárez – 3B
Luis Urías – 3B Shogo Akiyama – CF
Jackie Bradley Jr. – CF Kyle Farmer – SS
Brandon Woodruff – SP Luis Castillo – SP

Starting Pitchers

Luis Castillo

Since June began we’ve seen a very different Luis Castillo on the mound. His ERA in eight starts since then is 1.97 across 50.1 innings with 30 hits, 22 walks, 2 home runs, and 48 strikeouts. Opponents are hitting just .171/.268/.234 against him in that stretch in 200 plate appearances.

There are some details in his splits worth paying attention to. Righties are hitting .253/.310/.397 against him. Lefties are hitting .256/.361/.372 against him. Left-handed hitters are drawing significantly more walks, but they also do less damage when they make contact. Righties rarely walk against him, but they do a bit more damage when they do put the bat on the ball. Castillo’s home and road splits are similar – the OPS difference is .014.

Pitch usage from 2021

4-Seam 2-Seam Slider Change
Velo 96.9 97.2 85.9 87.9
Usage 29% 22% 19% 30%

Brandon Woodruff

The other side of the dynamic duo, Brandon Woodruff has dominated through 18 starts for the Brewers this season. The All-Star has posted a 2.06 ERA in 113.1 innings while allowing just 68 hits, walking 25, and striking out 129.

Somehow the Reds have only seen him once this season. It was in his last start when Cincinnati scored a run in 6.0 innings on nine hits while striking out four times.

As you can imagine with that overall line, his splits aren’t going to be favorable in any way. With that said, right-handed hitters are doing better as they have a .187/.235/.316 line against him compared to a .156/.218/.223 line from left-handed hitters. Righties show significantly more power, but still slug just .316….. He’s pitched significantly better on the road, holding hitters to an insane .122/.191/.193 line on the season. His ERA is only slightly lower on the road, though, sitting at 1.99 compared to 2.14 at home.

Pitch usage from 2021

4-Seam 2-Seam Curve Change Slider
Velo 96.7 96.4 83.7 86.6 86.4
Usage 34% 29% 14% 13% 11%

When and Where

  • Game time: 7:10pm ET
  • Where: Great American Ball Park, Cincinnati
  • Watch: Bally Sports Ohio,
  • Listen: 700 WLW AM (Cincinnati area)
  • Forecast: ­80°, party cloudy with a 10% chance of meatballs rain

News and Notes

Jose Barrero is raking in the minors

Earlier today we looked at whether Jose Barrero’s performance this season in Double-A and Triple-A could leave the Reds inactive in the shortstop market at the trade deadline, and what that decision could mean the rest of the way.

Jeff Hoffman to start on Wednesday

Cincinnati will send Jeff Hoffman to the mound to start on Wednesday against the New York Mets. As we wrote about yesterday, this sounds like it’s simply a spot start in order to give the rotation a slight amount of additional rest to begin the second half of the season rather than a move to a longer term 6-man rotation or even Hoffman pushing someone out of the current 5-man rotation.

Nick Senzel getting some work in

From Charlie Goldsmith of the Cincinnati Enquirer

NL Central Standings

Playoff odds via Fangraphs

Team W L GB Playoff %
Brewers 54 39 0 87.5%
Reds 48 43 5.0 16.3%
Cubs 45 46 8.0 3.9%
Cardinals 44 47 9.0 1.7%
Pirates 35 56 18.0 0.0%

302 Responses

  1. Old-school

    Nick Senzel is the future. Super prospect with terrible luck but right there with jesse winker and jon India and Tyler Stephenson. Elite players who had injuries or hiccups along the way.

    • AllTheHype

      Indeed. If all one did was read the comment section on this website though, they’d get the impression that Senzel is not worth a bag of peanuts. He’s controlled four more years, and will soon prove his once-top prospect status as well as his numbers in MiLs were no fluke.

      • Old-school

        I was an all-in votto guy in 2005 when Daugherty said trade him for Erik Bedard.
        I bought a 2002 bowman chrome mint 9 joey votto rookie card in 2006 when my son was born

        I still have it if anyone wants to tell me how much it’s worth

        I ve been an All-in winker guy because the guy can hit

        Im also an all- in Senzel guy cause he can play. Just bad luck

        Senzel india Stephenson and Barrero gotta play. They are the future

      • LDS

        It’s not a question of his talent. It’s a question of his physical health. He has been a bit fragile. The last three years he’s missed significant time to injury. Terrific talent but one has to question his longevity.

      • Indy Red Man

        I’d say its fair to question his talent. .704 career ops is nothing special.
        He’s still young and its not out of the question. He had the one year with like a .880 ops for 3 months or whatever.

        The question now is where does he play? Geno is seeing the ball better. Thats without question. His Ks are way down in July. He could platoon with Wink in LF or be a Zobrist super utility type? It would take some creativity

      • Old-school

        I disagree indy
        Do you question jose barerro talent because of his ops last year?

        Do you question india or Stephenson talent because of their OPS on may 20? Thats kinda what young guys do

        Id question older guys like suarez OPS and farmer OPS and i wont go there again on ex Reds OPS but theres a long long list but of 30 year old guys

      • DaveCT

        Indy, for the purpose of debate, I’d push back on questioning his talent (ability). It truly seems a question of inexperience (including and especially as an OF) in year one, illness in year two and now, again, injury in year three. Also, the vertigo issue in the minors. But it may be fair to question his physical resilience as an everyday player, but I’d argue against the point of ability.

      • Indy Red Man

        I’m rooting for anyone that can help the Reds, but you have to remember Senzel couldn’t stay healthy in the minors either. He’s not 22 like Barrero was last year either. What is he now? 27?

      • Old-school

        All of 26 with 4 more years of control

        Nick senzel isnt goint anywhere just like winker in 2019

      • Indy Red Man

        I just don’t know where he would play? India/Senzel might not hit 25 HRs combined if they both started at 2B & 3B. He gets hurt too much in CF. Thats not going to work. I just don’t know where Bell finds him steady at-bats unless they have injuries.

        Moose was a horrible signing that nobody would take on. Nobody would take on this version of Suarez either.

        You like Senzel. I think Geno can become atleast a .780 ops guy again. We’ll see what happens?

      • Old-school

        3 years from now

        Joey votto is 41
        Mike moustakis is 36
        Suarez is 33
        Senzel is 29 continuing is prime

        2/4 are retired

    • TR

      I’m with you regarding Nick Senzel regardless of where he plays. He’s a member of the young core and the Red’s future.

  2. Klugo

    No Castellanos. These chumps in Milwaukee are feeling the heat and they respond by throwing at us until we start dropping enough players to lose traction. I can’t tell you how angry this makes me.

    • TyGuy88

      Agreed. It gets to a point where it’s not bad luck. I understand not responding every time. But eventually you have to stick up for your players. Especially when it leads to your best player being out.

  3. TyGuy88

    Castellanos out of the lineup? Any idea how long he’ll be out?

    • Indy Red Man

      This stretch til August can’t win the division for the Reds, but it can sure bury them. We have 2 more with Milw and 6 with the Mets. Cards too and they’re always a pain. Cubs @ Wrigley. If Nick is on the IL or hampered then they basically stole our season yesterday. You can’t be 8 games out and catch them in 2 months with their pitching.
      Wong will help make them atleast an average offensive team.

      Mandatory to atleast split these next two imo.

      • TR

        Kolten Wong is similar to Alejo Lopez, whose been riding the bench for the last few weeks, in that both are meet the ball type hitters. The Red’s need to shutdown Wong in these next two games.

    • Bet on Red

      Nick said Days not weeks in an interview, little soreness, may be able to pinch-hit tonight, trying to be in the lineup tomorrow. Rest your beating hearts, my friends.

  4. Bet on Red

    Williams of the Brewers heads to the IL with “forearm discomfort” suder pitched a lot yesterday… force Workman to throw a lot early and get into this bullpen. Nick is supposedly available to pinch-hit and should be back on the field in days not weeks.
    Not saying beanball anyone, but don’t be afraid to work inside today.

  5. Indy Red Man

    Why no Miley versus Milw? It makes zero sense unless something is wrong with him. Mahle was the easy choice for odd man out

    He shut them out in Milw.

    Wong, Yelich, Navarez, JBJ, Peterson all L vs L. They probably sit Navarez and Peterson for much less hitters.


  6. JB

    Degrom shuts down to forearm tightness. Reds might get lucky and miss him.

  7. Indy Red Man

    Luis! Seems like the only runs he gives up now are the guys he has on base when he leaves.

    If he’s not walking people then he’ll find its hard for them to string together hits off of 98-100 with movement!

    • BUCK

      AGREED! I just wonder if he wants to keep on pitching after he reaches the 100 pitch count; I am sure he does! This ‘new age, analytical’ baseball is getting harder and harder to swallow…

  8. Bet on Red

    Cant tell,,, think it will be upheld, but close. Naquin cant set him self out there like that anyhow

  9. Bet on Red

    Only one out from Suarez for the last two days. Keep working that pitch count

  10. Indy Red Man

    Geno should’ve got rung up 6-7 pitches ago, but we’ll take it! Need to cash in please!

  11. Bet on Red

    Good Job Shogos speed. I’ll take it lol

  12. JB

    Wong flips that ball to first like a fat catcher was running. Terrible throw and catch by peterson.

  13. Mark Moore

    Farmer for the RBI and turns over the line-up.

  14. Indy Red Man

    Farmer .333 in July with 3 doubles & 2 HRs. He’s going Lee Corso on Barrero…”Not so fast my friend”

    • Mark Moore

      The longer Barrero seasons this year the better as far as I’m concerned.

      • JB

        Come on Mark , you got to give Indy +1000 for the “Lee Corso” reference.

    • Indy Red Man


      I’d still call up Barrero and make Farmer your utility guy. Wink/Joey both struggle vs lefties and Farmer has a .821 ops vs lhp. Joey is old too? Easy solution

  15. Roger Garrett

    Take em anyway we can get em.Woodruff is just so good but great at bats by Tyler and Eugenio set that up and it paid off.

    • Indy Red Man

      Woodruff dropped a perfect curve on 1-2 that wasn’t called. The whole ball was in the zone))) He does look 100x better though

      • VaRedsFan

        That’s 3K’s in 2 days on him that didn’t get called.

      • Indy Red Man

        I looked at that one yesterday about 8 times. Of course the Milw fans were going nuts on their blog, but it looked like the ball had enough movement that it went around the plate if you know what I’m trying to say. Outside when it crossed the plate but catcher caught it within the target. Sonny’s backwards fb has the same life sometimes


      Reds bullpen last nite 3.2 innings 8 runs, tonite 5 innings 7 runs to worst hitting team in baseball are my numbers correct ?

  16. dhmorgan

    Every time I see Craig Counsell he looks like the unhappiest man in baseball, like he has a bad case of constipation.

  17. Bet on Red

    19000 pieces of the same piece of art, by the same artist… He got paid today

  18. Broseph

    Note to any coach for Luis Castillo: he hates cold weather. Smooth 98 twice to Yelich and a nasty change. He has been his old self of late

  19. Mark Moore

    45 pitches and looking good through 3 innings. More crooked numbers, please.

    • Broseph

      I typically don’t agree with everything any analyst say that’s subjective. But I do believe in cold/warm weather players like Castillo. He has been night and day since June.

  20. Old-school

    Luis castillo is a very good pitcher suddenly

    He might be best pitcher on the reds or brewers right now

    • Indy Red Man

      Famous last words(((

      Lolllllll. I do it too. Hope he recovers without some cheap bs hr

      • Old-school

        Luis throws innings
        Hes pushing 110 and thats pushing best in NL

  21. VaRedsFan

    Woodruff did the same pattern last start…Mostly fastballs thru the lineup 1st time….then starts every AB with breaking stuff 2nd time thru.

    • Broseph

      I was thinking this during Votto’s AB. Seemed like he knew he’d dance around the outside of the zone with soft stuff, even when he had a hitters count.

      One of the things I love most about MLB is the hitters/pitchers chess game. Votto, woodruff and others are masters at that game.

  22. Mark Moore

    OK, at least we ran Woodruff’s pitch count up

  23. Indy Red Man

    Luis hung that changeup to Navarez. That was bad because he has a long swing and was never going to hit 98 unless Luis totally grooved it. Just show him the offspeed and go back to heat. See if he can get out of it?

  24. Mark Moore

    Escaped with not damage! That’s what I’m talking about. Nice D, guys!

  25. Bet on Red

    Attaboy Luis went from 2 on to three outs, not damage

  26. VaRedsFan

    Nice work Luis…getting out of the jam.

  27. Indy Red Man

    PERFECT!!!! Luis learning how to pitch to contact!!

  28. LDS

    And substantially fewer pitches than Woodruff, especially considering he’s a half inning a head. Need to tack on some more runs and really shake them up.

    • Indy Red Man

      Tells you how good Woodruff is. He was off his game Sunday and we only got 1 run in 6 (I think?). Today he’s even worse and actually walking people, but it would still be 0-0 with an average home plate umpire. Suarez was K’d all day long on that 1-2

      Top of the lineup next inning though. His pitch count is high and he’s off his game. TIme to atleast line up 1 cheapie hr

  29. Bet on Red

    not a bad at-bat for Shogo…. thought he was done after strike 2 but he got the walk

  30. Old-school

    Mahle might be as good as Woodruff

    2 runs 80 pitches 4 innings


  31. Mark Moore

    Free Willy (to go back to the bench)!!!

    • Indy Red Man

      I like it! Probably easier then my Don Drysdale strategy for Mr Adames. He considered the intentional walk a waste of 3 pitches))))

      Adames was racking up 1-4 bases on us every at-bat so I’d take 1 pitch and give him 1st base.

  32. Old-school

    Castillo is back
    Another 5 shutout innings
    Reds SP is very good

    Fix the bullpen

    Another game reds should win

    Stop the nonsense bullpen is even remotely ok
    Get a lefty now

    • Roger Garrett

      Starters are good enough and you are right about the pen.Fix that and Suarez bounces back to just average and we can be very good and I mean very good.

  33. Roger Garrett

    Yeah but those 2 walks were almost very costly.I don’ think they can score off of him unless he or the defense helps them.Lets get a few more and put this one away.

  34. Indy Red Man

    Woodruff. What a horse he is! Devin Williams on the IL hurts them though. 1.64 era in June and nothing in July

    Lets get Woody out of the game and go from there! Got to reach the seats on somebody?

  35. Roger Garrett

    Woodruff is really good and I hope he doesn’t come back for the 6th.Would rather see him some other time down the road.

  36. Indy Red Man

    Castillo fb down to 96 and no longer going 0-1, 1-2 on hitters. He’s nearing the end. Don’t live by the pitch count!

  37. dhmorgan

    Castillo would have a much better record if the Reds would score more when he pitches.
    I always wonder why some pitchers get so little run support. Maybe it’s because the opposing pitcher is “on” for that night – or for other reasons. It’s a mystery.
    Meanwhile, Jesse Winker could use a few lucky hits. His average is falling like a stone.

    • Indy Red Man

      He’s been snakebit. Up 6-1 in KC and they blew it. Every time he runs out of gas with like 2 on and 2 out then the pen immediately gives up his runs.

  38. Roger Garrett

    Walks the lead off guy.Got to bounce back.

  39. Bet on Red

    Wow, First time ever got one of my questions answered in a MLBTR chat. On a completely unrelated note, there is now a list of who the reds should be targeting on the deadline in the same chat.

  40. Mark Moore

    Joey kind of stuck on that dive instead of sliding

    • VaRedsFan

      He did the same thing when he slid at home a few weeks ago

  41. Bet on Red

    I think LC has till the pitcher’s spot to get it done in this inning and that this is his last inning. Assuming we see Mikey out of the pen tonight. Holding my breath about the rest

  42. Indy Red Man

    Joey? He does stuff that I’ve never seen other players do and thats not in a good way. Smartest hitter I’ve ever seen and dumbest baserunner/1st baseman at times as well

    Castillo was going to beat him to the bag, but Joey on hero mode for some weird reason

    • Mark Moore

      Not sure Castillo beats him, but the “dive” was ill-advised for certain.

      • Indy Red Man

        I could be wrong? I think Luis beats him if the communication is there and he never slows to get out of Joey’s way. I wonder if Joey’s Spanish or LC’s English is good enough on a play like that?

        If Joey yells at him to cover 1B and LC never breaks stride then he nips him with a good toss, but it was going to be close.

      • Mark Moore

        Definitely would have been close. And I thought I saw LC hesitate just a bit. But still, the “dive” … SMH!

  43. JB

    Castillo reaches back and hits 97 on that K.

  44. Mark Moore

    And he wiggles out of another troublesome inning. But zero runs is what matters most.

    Time to play add-on.

    • Mark Moore

      Time to see if Mikey Biceps is really back and ready.

    • VaRedsFan

      an say that about the whole pen. I’d prefer Antone come in and throw left handed.

  45. Gpod

    Does anyone feel very confident with only 2 run lead with Reds bullpen?

    • Tommy

      Yes, we have Lorenzen and Hembree rested from the break to cover 9 outs.

  46. Bet on Red

    and for those that are not watching…. we have a intruder on the field

  47. Indy Red Man

    Brach, AG, and HH…..maybe a Doolittle sighting((

    It makes me feel like a passenger on the Titantic. Its all party time til Mr Iceberg shows up

    • Mark Moore

      While the orchestra plays “Nearer My God to Thee”

  48. Roger Garrett

    It just is what it is.Big hole and we know it and Bob knows it and its not a secret to anybody.We win or lose with what they do in these tight games and there will be plenty of these tight games the rest of the way.

  49. Gpod

    I feel like this game is just sitting there waiting to be lost…..Reds have 2 hits…I hope I’m wrong

  50. Indy Red Man

    Why is the ship slowing? Don’t worry about it, the Titantic is unsinkable!

  51. VaRedsFan

    Do they have to talk about the wave every game?

  52. LDS

    Sure glad Lorenzen is back on the roster. His pitching since reinstatement has been lights out

  53. Indy Red Man

    AG gets 1 out of 3. Thats about right

    Can someone plant some sticky on AG?

    • Indy Red Man

      and on Doolittle and Hendrix too. Glue all their gloves together and then have someone tell an ump

  54. LDS

    Alright, count on AG. What’s the over/under that Bell has to cover this time?

    • RojoB

      Garrett has pitched like hot garbage the last two games—

      But yeah—the squad is so glad to get Lorenzen back

      What a waste of Castillo’s pitching…you watching this, Bob?

  55. Bet on Red

    Honestly, some of that was tough luck but the end result is we only got one out while they netted a run. There better be a Mikey sighting tonight

    • RojoB

      The tough luck is for Reds fans having to watch Garrett pitch

  56. RedAlert

    “Give it up Garrett “ as usual .Almost the absolute last guy I want to see on mound in close game . Brutal .

    • RojoB

      “Base hit Brach?”

      Too bad he didn’t get it done. I expected more from him

  57. Gpod

    All of Castillo’s work going down the toilet

    • LDS

      Should have left him in. At least, give him the chance to win or lose the game instead of intentionally giving it away. And intentional is the only reasonable excuse for bring in AG at this point.

  58. LDS

    And there are still people on here that think criticizing Bell is unfair. Sorry folks but Bell is a lousy manager.

  59. Indy Red Man

    Who was it that said we needed to put in Tucker for defensive purposes when we have a late lead? I swear to God. I’m done with defending Bell. Not everything is his fault, but he can’t foresee the obvious issues and thats ridiculous.

    AG is not a good reliever. TS is not a good defensive catcher. Brach was struggling going into the break and he’s an old guy off the scrap heap. While not roll out Lorenzen or even Santillan with his big arm?

    This stuff is not hard to figure out?

    • Chris Holbert

      I agree, but Naquin two hopped a throw that should have been on the fly from short right field…besides Aquino, the Reds have average to below arms in the OF, especially without Castellanos in there…

  60. VaRedsFan

    1st base open again…they pitch to their hottest hitter AGAIN…threw him a fastball AGAIN.

  61. LGR

    What’s the point of having Lorenzon back if you’re never going to use him.

    • RojoB

      He can practice Spanish with López in the dugout?

  62. Bet on Red

    absolute garbage… Nick Krall and Bob better understand that these boos are representing people that will not return if things continue as they are Shogo caught that ball though

    • RojoB

      Reds fans are Charlie Brown—Bob is Lucy with the football

    • RedAlert

      Bell is lost – some things never change and never will . He’s in WAY IN over his head . Will say again this team won’t win squat with him managing . Clueless .

      • RojoB

        The narrative from Lance M on radio is that the players LOVE this manager

        He certainly has an overachieving team—I think that’s what we’re seeing. They’ll regress due to the bullpen if nothing changes

  63. LDS

    Odds are the Reds won’t beat Hader a third time.

  64. Bet on Red

    Shogo’s out meant that while losing the lead is on Garrett, gaining the deficit in on Brach. without his throw into centerfield on a pick off he was never going to make then the brewers runner is only on third. Where is Micheal Lorenzen, and Why am I hearing Osich warming up in the Bullpen

  65. RojoB

    This series was a chance for the Reds to make a statement and put the NL Central on notice

    Instead there is a warm trickle running down their legs at home

    • LDS

      The good teams have been making a statement in the second half. Look at San Diego. The Reds are making a statement as well – just not one the fans want to hear. Odds of another salary dump went up.

  66. LGR

    Thank god we’re saving Lorenzon for when the games matter.. wait.

  67. Indy Red Man

    I’m out for the year if we lose this one. Its just too much. Fool me once blame on you. Bullpen fool me 237 times then I’m the idiot for hanging around praying for something different.

    If the front office doesn’t care then why should I? Where is Lorenzen? Santillan is a horse and their hitters don’t know him and have barely seen him. Try something different?

    • Doc

      I’ll be at the Cards/Reds game on the 25th, as part of a trip from Tucson. After that, my interest will be waning. Just can’t understand the BP usage, or how they can all be so bad.

    • BatsLeftThrowsRight

      I agree, watching this team is agonizing. Votto needs to cut the ball off on Adames single, Adames is out by twenty feet at second and still tied 2-2.

      Votto has a low IQ as a defensive first basemen.

    • Cubano

      There’s absolutely no way you’re out of they lose. You post at least 15 times per game. Not a jab or anything but spare me the melodrama my man

  68. Old-school

    Really cant believe we are still talking about how bad the bullpen is in late july but mostly about lack of left handed relievers

    Garrett isnt an MLB pitcher and needs to join Romano and Stephenson and Cody Reed and Brandon Finnegan as ex players

    Cant believe RLN defends the bullpen but they do

    • Indy Red Man

      The front office should’ve started getting serious when we swept Milw at their place a month ago or whenever it was. Even one solid guy can help turn things around.

      Or just try mixing up your order. HH is your “closer” or guy you respect the most then give him the 7th with the top of their order. Then your weaker guys can work thru the weaker part of their lineup. Tampa, Oakland, other playoff teams do that all the time. Sometimes Trevino closes and sometimes he works the 7th-8th and Diekman closes for the A’s depending on their lineup

  69. Doc

    Apparently Garrett is not on the path back. I’ll admit to being too optimistic about that one.

    • Indy Red Man

      None of the balls were hit that hard last night or tonite, but he’s just not a quality high leverage guy. End of story

  70. LGR

    Just like the Reds to start losing when the rain starts to pick up.

  71. Roger Garrett

    Garrett and Brach again so I guess Mikey and Santillan are not really an upgrade to our pen cause I guess they aren’t ready to pitch.

  72. LGR

    This is literally nothing compared to what Sims pitched in earlier this year.

  73. Mark Moore

    Rain delay means that’s it for me. I hope they get it in. I’ll know in the morning.

    Nite all.

  74. Bet on Red

    The umps may have saved us there, stopping it mid-count means that the inning must continue. If it had ended then they could have called the game. Now hopefully after the delay, the brewers are forced to burn Cousins, use another relief pitcher, and the reds have 2 more innings to mount a comeback

    • VaRedsFan

      They couldn’t call the game anyway, it would be suspended, because the Brewers took the lead in the top half.

      • Bet on Red

        I meant if Barnhart had produced an out to end the inning, doesnt matter just looked at the radar, GABP sitting at the very northern end of this cell, looks like it will be gone in 15 or so.

  75. Dennis Westrick

    Another loss by the bullpen and Bell’s cluelessness! Cannot defend Bell any more! He had Lorenzen and Santillan available but uses AG again? Like Indy Red Man said above it’s just too much to watch Bell make the same fatal moves game after game! And, being old school, where was the payback for all the Reds getting hit by pitches, especially Nick C.!

  76. Gpod

    Problem with this game today: 1)only 2 hits. 2). Bullpen sucks. 3) announces talking about the Wave during the game (that should NEVER happen)

  77. kevinz

    Well hate rain and crappy BP.
    Hope get back how played before the Break.
    Keep Fighting Reds. Plenty Games left.

  78. RedAlert

    Barrero so far tonight — 2 for 3 , 2 runs scored . Game in 6th inning Louisville leading 6-0 .

    Get this guy up here yesterday already ! What are they waiting for !! Front office having a slumber party or something ?

    • RedAlert

      Oh yea – and Hunter Greene – 5 innings , 2 hits , 2 walks , 9 strikeouts

      … but he can’t help either I guess

  79. Arthur

    Watching this bullpen implode yet again is just brutal. I used to believe that Bell wasn’t doing a good job handling his relievers, but the simple fact is – nearly every pitcher he brings in fails. It doesn’t really matter who he calls on.

    Maybe building a bullpen from pitchers released by other teams wasn’t such a great idea after all. ?

  80. Indy Red Man

    Not defending Bell, but their 5th-6th inning guys are better then our top guys with Antone out.

    Hunter Strickland 3.16 career era and they have atleast 3 guys better then him.
    HH has a 3.99 career era. Its a mismatch?

    What I can’t comprehend is why the Reds are even willing to take on a $123 mil payroll with a bullpen this weak? Sims/AG have no big track record of success? All these other clowns Romano and DeLeon and Bedrosian, etc??

    Its like buying a Lamborghini then you’re too cheap to change the oil?

    • Daytonnati

      Or having to park it on the street.

    • Roger Garrett

      Your right about Sims and Garrett for sure and as far as Strickland we could have had him after he was released.Reds just thought Johnson could work miracles I guess but the reality is there is nobody in the pen that can get anybody out consistently.What gets me is the conversation regarding what to do with Hoffman and the 6 man rotation.I get the concept but what does it matter if you can’t close out games once the starter is gone.Heck lets start Mikey and go to a 7 man.The problem is we need help in the pen.Mikey is down there so is he ready to pitch or not.Is Santillan now the guy that only pitches in blow outs.Whats up there in these last two games?Don’ get it and I guess we just have to wait and see.

  81. dhmorgan

    I understand players are reluctant to openly criticize team mates or to bad-mouth bullpen pitchers. I even get WHY they won’t do this publicly.
    But I wonder how much consistent bad performances erode a teams confidence and finally affects team performance.
    Regardless of what they say – or don’t say – you know this has to bother them. It just has to.

    • Bet on Red

      No,but the booing at the home field is supposed to represent that. Its not the same but….

  82. Old-school

    Mahle was ok last night and hes been pretty solid all year . Castillo is coming on and was awful but is now really good

    Bullpen is just terrible and if thats the Reds plan. Ok…. But one of the worst bullpens in MLB so just Reds as an organization are just quitters

  83. Indy Red Man

    Nats/SD halted because of a shooting outside of the 3b gate

    What a wonderful place America is now

  84. Gpod

    I gotta believe Castillo is pissed right now

    • Arthur

      In his last 9 starts, Castillo has allowed a TOTAL of 12 runs. During that time, he’s 2-2. With that kind of effort, and a reasonably competent bullpen, he would have 6-7 wins.

      He has made some terrific starts, like tonight, where he has walked away with a no-decision. Seems like most of the runs he allows cross the plate after he has been removed from the game.

      Yea, I’d say he’s probably a little sore right about now.

  85. Indy Red Man

    Kicking myself for not Live betting when I saw AG warming up. Had to be nice price down 2 runs with 9 outs left. I just don’t think of fading the Reds usually, but when they’re handing out free $ then its time to rething that strategy

    • JB

      You might get bit once with Garrett but the odds are stacked in your favor that he will fail. But like Larkin said “Garrett’s era is slowly coming down. ” NOT!

  86. JB

    Every team is looking for bullpen help. No way Reds are outbidding anybody else. What the Reds need to do is find some team dumb enough to take Garrett and a few others.

    • Indy Red Man

      Thats not true. We have a pretty deep system now. We could get Brad Hand or somebody if they wanted to. Adjective….we could’ve got Hunter Strickland for that matter. Milw got him for cash in June and he’s better then anyone we have except Antone

      • JB

        You honestly think our front office is going to out bid anybody? And if they do are you dumb enough to think they wont get hosed on the trade?

      • Indy Red Man

        Yeah they can’t get anyone. You’re right. They only picked up the NL Cy Young last year

      • Indy Red Man

        Got him in 2019 rather, but my point is good

    • Bet on Red

      I gotta agree with Indy, teams are no longer overpaying for rental talents, and long team control team pitchers are prob not on the market, It wont be free but we got Bradley for a steal last year. We may not get every single person we want but we can get something.

  87. TR

    Unless Castillo said he couldn’t do the 7th. inning, why take him out because his pitch count is 101? Who set this 100 pitch count limit? Years ago good pitchers usually had a couple complete games in a season. Today pitching a complete game is a rarity. The same with the handiness thing that a lefty hitter can’t hit a lefty pitcher. If you’re a good hitter, you should be able to hit both sides.

  88. DataDumpster

    Just tuned in. Looking at the box score, I was not sure I had the right one. Didn’t Bell blow it last night when he brought in Garrett and Brach for relief with better options available after the break? Tonight, did he do exactly the same thing with the same conditions and got the same result? Must be my eyes or early onset dementia, or the Data Dumpster himself has me fooled again.

    • VaRedsFan

      What better options are you referring to?

      • JA

        Try different.
        Repeating the things that are not working for a while, will not make it happen.
        Last night was not on him. But knowing the results yesterday, why to repeat? AG is just exposed in the bad spot. He’ll get all the criticism with no doubt, but DB will not be excempt.

  89. Indy Red Man

    Jake Cousins. 27 yr old rookie for them. 11 innings now with 1 hit and 17 Ks. He didn’t have to prove himself for 35 innings to get into high leverage. Santillan looked good last night so put him in tonite. Why not?

  90. Indy Red Man

    Ooooooohhh….enjoy that little man? Not Beethoven. Its called chin music!!
    Then you get the change-up and go find your glove

  91. VaRedsFan

    A double and a walk…but no runs, That’s something I guess

  92. Indy Red Man

    Boom Baby!!! I’ve been saying Boxberger has nothing for a solid month now! He’s not that good and his control is iffy too.

    Lets Get This One!!!!

  93. RedAlert

    India !!! Yes sir !!!

    What’s Bell gonna do to screw it up now …

  94. Indy Red Man

    Counsell Bill Belechik’ing the 3 batter minimum rule

    • Indy Red Man

      He’s hurt….riiiiiiiight. Sure he is!

  95. Tom Mitsoff

    If Boxberger is hurt along with Williams, the Brewers could have to deal with some of the bullpen injury issues the Reds have.

  96. LGR

    Uhh. I don’t wanna call him out if he’s actually hurt but.. With Winker coming up… ehh. Idk. Seems odd.

    • Indy Red Man

      3 of next 4 are lefties so if Box can’t get India then he’s hurt and go to Suter. Smart if you can pull it off. Box probably be back in Monday or Tues at the latest

      • LGR

        They should make a rule for this. If you do end up pulling a guy for a injury, he shouldn’t be able to pitch for.. idk, 3-5 games? Happened with Warren the other day. At least he went to the IL.

  97. LDS

    Start playing the younger guys. India, Stephenson, Lopez, call up Barrero, Aquino, Senzel if he can stay healthy. If they don’t win at least they are getting experience and prepping for next year.

  98. VaRedsFan

    Pirates losing 6-0 to the Mets thru 7….win 9-7

  99. Gpod

    He better be going on the DL….cause this is BS to get to go around the 3 batter min rule

  100. BUCK

    Could you even GIVE AWAY Garrett? He truly needs a new start SOMEWHERE ELSE…

  101. Indy Red Man

    Wink is markedly worse then Joey vs lefties to my eye. Call up Barrero and Farmer is your LF (over 800 ops vs lhp) vs lefties. Wink the platoon AS. IDK? I remember when he took Snell deep in the minors when Snell was DeGrom like, but his swings this year are horrible

  102. Tom Mitsoff

    What do you want to bet that Lorenzen goes in to right field to replace Naquin?

  103. Bet on Red

    Had to run the RM to work. Heard the india HR over the radio, the Crowd back in it. Tie Game at home

  104. LGR

    Lopez needs to start. Or at least the chance too. Can’t expect the kid to hit once a week and have success. The dude could be a hitting machine.

    • MBS

      He does need more playing time, but he’s not getting an everyday spot unless something drastic changes.

  105. Hanawi

    Good start by Green tonight. Sanmartin threw a couple of scoreless innings in relief. He might be the next one to bring up and try in the bullpen.

    • MBS

      Lodolo and Davis also with nice starts. Barrero keeps on doing his thing.

  106. Indy Red Man

    I have a dream. Not as beautiful as MLKs dream exactly but here goes:

    Greene and Lorenzen throwing bullets and then playing SS, OF, hitting, stealing, and throwing. Like a buddy cop Lethal Weapon version of Ohtani

    • Bet on Red

      that is a dream, Greene gave up SS, and does not want to 2-way, Mike is all on that though

    • Chris Holbert

      I would think he is in the Naquin spot.

    • JayTheRed

      I think he will , he can hit pretty well.

    • Bet on Red

      Yea, let him get teh walk off hit too

    • MBS

      If he does, and it’s a 1, 2, 3 inning he’d be on 2B in the 10th. He’s probably the fastest player on the Reds right now.

  107. Indy Red Man

    Love me some India, but he has some work to do at 2B. Smooth slap tag Baez style and he’s out easily. I’ve seen them do it to us all year.

  108. Hanawi

    Is Lorenzen really a better option in RF than Aquino? Aquino has a .984 OPS right now.

  109. Indy Red Man

    Oh we beat him 3 times in a row. That would be insane!!!

  110. VaRedsFan

    I thought they shelved Lorenzen hitting, after he started failing once the pitchers stopped feeding him cookies.

    • Bet on Red

      A certain Los Angelos Angel has probably brought a bunch of players to give it another try

    • Indy Red Man

      Just the fact that he’s big/strong makes the pitcher careful. AA drew a walk off of Hader for example. IDK if Lorenzen will ever hit, but he obviously wouldn’t go homerless for life like Shogo

      • Bet on Red

        i swear, tomorrow will be Shogo’s first HR…lol

  111. kevinz

    Man Urias saved Brewers
    Heck of a play though.
    Hate it but realize Nice Play.

  112. Bet on Red

    So AA to right Mikey to center, Winker in left, ML and his speed starts on second and this brings up the question, does the 3 batters he faced still count? Can he go back to the mound once Osach faces his 3?

  113. LGR

    Did he.. did he just attempt to punch Geno? Lol.

  114. Indy Red Man

    Osich….ugghhh. Cinderella struck midnight on him I’m afraid.

    • Bet on Red

      he is not good. Just not good, If you need a lefty i would have run DL out first. But I would have gone with TS instead.

      • Indy Red Man

        Would’ve been great spot for Santillan. Ks are huge there and Osich throws 89 mph((

        Bell has to really think with this dumpster fire he has and it seems like too much for him. Alot of managers have proven guys and a 7th, 8th, and 9th inning guy, but Bell has to strategize every time.

  115. Indy Red Man

    Extra inning rules favor the road team I think. Read somewhere rumor is they’re going back to normal next season?

    • Bet on Red

      The word is yes both runner on second and 7 inning doubleheaders are out

      • Indy Red Man

        Go get Osich’s sorry backside and get him off my team.

      • Bet on Red

        he will be a DFA for Sims or Atone or a trade pickup, whichever comes last

    • VaRedsFan

      With pitchers dropping like flies everywhere, I doubt that happens.
      I tried to find extra inning records, but couldn’t. I’d rather be the home team.

      • Indy Red Man

        Well I know the Reds are like 6-2 in extras with most of the wins on the road. Its a higher % then before this rule. I know that much!

  116. Gpod

    I hope they go back to normal extra innings next year….this softball rule is stupid

  117. VaRedsFan

    talk about a bad (good for the Reds) hop

  118. JayTheRed

    Noooo!!!!!!! We needed him so badly and now he is going back on the IL

  119. Bet on Red

    mikeys hurt and we are out of OF gotta finish this now…

      • Bet on Red

        they had freeman on deck, unless it was a Decoy, he isnt avalible. and Freeman well…… if this was a game he started

  120. DaveCT

    I always onew I respected you, Kolton Wong. Now I like you.

  121. JayTheRed

    Freeman is going to have to play SS and Farmer to the OF

  122. Indy Red Man

    Well it was fun Mr Loresenzelzen, We’ll see you next year. I swear

    Most important ability is availability

    • VaRedsFan

      Baseball players need to be elastic, not muscle bound…the bigger he got the more injury prone he became

  123. DaveCT

    Joey is openly defying this rookie.

    I haven’t seen swagger like this in awhile. If ever. I see supreme confidence and I like it.

  124. Indy Red Man

    This guy ISNT EVEN LOOKING at the baserunners. Take your base?????

    • VaRedsFan

      India has been very gimpy going down the line lately

    • JayTheRed

      It will be a miracle if we don’t lose this game with Dolittle in there.

  125. LGR

    He learned a hanging breaking ball to go with his straight line fastball. Sick stuff.

  126. RedAlert

    Horrible pitch Doo Doo – awful location

  127. Indy Red Man

    Winker screamer they catch. They hit a screamer it helps finish donothing and put us away. They’ll get atleast 2 and probably 3-4. They just cannot survive all this stuff? That pitcher bottom 10 was beatable. We have 2 on 1 out and Lopez/Geno failed.

  128. Indy Red Man

    Winker just can’t get any lift on anything anymore? He gets that ball in the air and its a walkoff 3 run hr. 1st/3rd nobody out with the meat of our order and we barely gimp one run home

    • VaRedsFan

      Exactly…when he slumps, he can’t elevate the ball. Hit it 109 mph though.

  129. MBS

    Bob, great job! Way to let us fall back in the standings because you’re unwilling to bring in bullpen help, you cheep son of a gun!

  130. Gpod

    I don’t think Votto has a hit since the all-Star break

    • LGR

      I mean.. you’re not wrong.. but this is only the second game back so..

  131. Tom Mitsoff

    Let me say here I would have gone with Santillan instead of Hendrix after what we saw from him last night.

  132. Bet on Red

    well, not writing this game off yet, but the cubs and dirty birds did win, so not good. where is Tony S. Also, Bell better have sent every removed player and tomorrows starter home for some shut eye. First pitch in 13 hours

  133. BZ

    There is no way they should pitch to Garcia here with 1B open.

    • RedAlert

      David Bell – no words.
      Bullpen sucks
      Owner doesn’t care

  134. VaRedsFan

    They’ve had like 3 swinging bunt hits tonight….that was a dagger

  135. LDS

    Reds pitching sure has a way of making the worst hitting team in the league look good – again. This game is partly an artifact of pitch an inning and take a seat. But hey, at least everyone got a participation trophy.

  136. TyGuy88

    WE NEED BULLPEN HELP! (that’s if you want to compete)

  137. Gpod

    Gotta get a man on then maybe somebody can run into one ….hope springs eternal

  138. JayTheRed

    Slow man Votto on 2nd base to start the inning. I don’t have much faith at this point.

  139. BZ

    Imagine getting a key bullpen arm back after they had missed the entire season up to that point and then making the decision to pitch him, then throw him in RF, and then throw him in CF. In an entire managerial stint of questionable decisions, this one has to be towards the top of the list.

    • Indy Red Man

      He hit in Lville too. Not sure about the OF? If it was going to happen then it happens. Mikey was my boy when RLN despised him, but he a Senzelian type player. He’ll find a way to get back on the IL one way or the other

    • Chris Holbert

      My thoughts exactly…he has probably not done much except try to get healthy pitching, then he gets activated and do this and this and this, then wham..injured…..

  140. Indy Red Man

    Yelich was aggressive on that ball from 3B. We don’t have anyone scoring on that ball with less then 2 outs. They’re a more complete team. 6-1 at their place felt good, but Adames and Urias step up all the time. Its not just our bullpen. Our hitters have had a bunch of opportunities lately and don’t do much most of the time outside of Nick/India.

  141. JayTheRed

    Geez Freeman got a hit. The world is ending

  142. Votto4life

    The bullpen is god awful. Same story every single night. The starting pitcher does a great job, leaves the game with a lead only to see the bullpen promptly give it up.

    Who on here doesn’t have a sense of doom when Bell goes to the bullpen?

    • Slicc50

      I told my buddy at work earlier as soon as I saw Amir come in……..there goes the lead.

  143. LDS

    Suarez struck out but at least it wasn’t a DP. Bench him or trade him but quit pretending he’s going to turn it around. We’re into the 2nd year of that myth.

    • steve d

      yes, he’s having an “awfully” awful year….

  144. Bet on Red

    i swear if wade miley wins this

  145. Indy Red Man

    Well I’m out. I’ll check back in early August, but I give up. They knew this pen was an issue and the team was good enough atleast a month ago and they don’t care

    So why should I

    • Indy Red Man

      I do stand to make $425 on the Bucks winning it all. That might pay for my dumb Reds bets. My intuition told me Milw will want payback and the Reds always respond to their fans enthusiasm with a swift kick in the jewels

  146. Chris Holbert

    Well, DB almost did it….I mean uses every player at his disposal…

    • RedAlert

      Little league management from a little league manager

      • Chris Holbert

        That is probably why Miley is not scheduled to start in the series, in case he needs to pinch hit with the baes loaded in extra innings in one of the games.

  147. Gpod

    So Freeman gets the hit we needed & and Suarez strikes out on 3 pitchers….that’s an abomination…at least AA had a professional at bat

  148. Votto4life

    I bet Nick is placed on the IL tomorrow.

    • Tom Mitsoff

      Probably not, if they think he’ll be back sooner than 10 days.

      • Votto4life

        I hope you’re right Tom, but tonight Bell used Wade Miley to pinch hit in the bottom of the 11th inning representing the winning run. Nick must really be in pain not to be used in that situation.

        How long can they go being a man down? It cost them a game in standings tonight.

        Time will tell I guess.

    • LDS

      Wouldn’t surprise as I said last night. And possibly ML too.

  149. LDS

    At this point in the season, ML should be used as a pitcher period. Knock off the two way stunt. Bad management at all levels. Lousy bullpen. A bunch of veterans contributing very little on average. And few on the team hit LH’ers. We Reds fans get sucked in every year and every year management fails to deliver.

  150. RedAlert

    Update to earlier post – Barrero 3 for 5 tonight , 2 runs , 1 RBI

    Bats win 12-0

    What’s the delay Krall ????

    Kid can’t be any worse than what we got