The Reds were up 4-0 after the first inning, but a grand slam by Trent Grisham – his 2nd homer of the game – in the 5th inning put the Padres ahead 7-5 and shortly after the skies opened up. The game never resumed and San Diego picked up a rain-shortened win over Cincinnati.
| Final | R | H | E |
|---|---|---|---|
| San Diego Padres (49-33) | 7 | 7 | 0 |
| Cincinnati Reds (39-40) | 5 | 5 | 0 |
| W: Musgrove (5-6) L: Gutierrez (3-3) SV: Hill (1) |
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| Statcast | Box Score | Game Thread | |||
The Offense
The Reds wasted no time getting things going on Wednesday. Jonathan India led off the bottom of the 1st inning with a walk and Jesse Winker followed with a single to put two men on for Nick Castellanos. Three pitches later it was 3-0 as a 357-foot opposite field Blastellanos landed in the sundeck in right field. Joey Votto followed up with a double and later in the inning he would score on a Kyle Farmer sacrifice fly to make it 4-0.
After the Padres climbed right back into it with three solo home runs in the 2nd and 3rd innings, Joey Votto cracked one of his own in the bottom of the 3rd to make it a 5-3 game. Statcast says the ball only went 401 feet, but we’re pretty sure it landed in Kentucky and will be filing an appeal with Major League Baseball. The home run was the 1000th RBI of Votto’s career and earned him a curtain call from the crowd at Great American Ball Park. Fun fact from C. Trent Rosecrans of The Athletic:
Joey Votto's first RBI and his 1,000th were both on solo homers
— C. Trent Rosecrans (@ctrent) July 1, 2021
That, however, was the peak of enjoyment for the Reds in the game. Two innings later the Padres grabbed a 7-5 lead on a Trent Grisham grand slam. The rain then started falling. The Reds went 1-2-3 in their half of the 5th inning, and before you knew it the tarp was on the field in the top of the 6th. It never came off and the game was officially called at 11:26pm ET.
The Pitching
After the offense spotted Vladimir Gutierrez a 4-0 lead in the bottom of the 1st, the Padres got half of those runs back in the top of the 2nd on solo homers by Trent Grisham and Wil Myers. In the 3rd inning it was another solo homer – this one by Fernando Tatis Jr. that made it a 4-3 game as San Diego kept trying to claw their way back.
With a 5-3 lead things started to go south for the Reds in the 5th. Vladimir Gutierrez loaded the bases with one out and David Bell called on Josh Osich to face Trent Grisham. He crushed a grand slam into the camera well in the right field stands and the Padres took a 7-5 lead as lightning and rain could be seen in the distance. Shortly after Tucker Barnhart threw out Wil Myers trying to steal second to end the inning the sky opened up over Great American Ball Park. The Reds went quietly in their half of the 5th, and shortly after the 6th began with Cionel Pérez on the mound, the tarp came out and it never left the field before the game was called.
Notes Worth Noting
The Reds are now 8 games back of the first place Milwaukee Brewers, who moved to 48-33 on the season tonight after falling behind to the Cubs 7-0 in the 1st inning and then scoring 15 unanswered runs.
Joey Votto is only the second Canadian to reach 1,000 career RBI. Do you know who the other one was? If you guess Larry Walker, then you would be correct. If you didn’t guess Larry Walker you owe Canada an apology.
Up Next for the Cincinnati Reds
San Diego Padres vs Cincinnati Reds
Thursday July 1st, 7:10pm ET
Ryan Weathers (3-2, 2.47 ERA) vs. Luis Castillo (2-10, 5.61 ERA)
Thought they would finish it tomorrow if not tonight. That’s unusual isn’t it?
Not usually. Games above 5 innings that get rain delayed for an amount of time, are counted as a win or a loss.
I understand what the rules are technically but it seems like in the past they would have bent over backwards to get a game in to it’s completion especially since there is a game the next day and the visiting team will still be in town.
I suspect that if the Padres had been losing they would not have called it
This was Gutriezz only bad outing this year? Agreed?
the first game against the Padres as well. This was his second bad start.
I thought the game was called after 6 innings, meaning the Home Team, the Reds had to bat in the bottom of the 6th? Is the game called because of rain after 5 innings or should it have been a full 6 innings? I would think they could have called the game, and picked it up where it left off tommorrow, before the 3rd game in this series? Another option, if they knew the rain would keep going and going, with no end in sight….why not CALL the game immediately, or after a few minutes, why wait and wait and wait….keeping both teams in the dugout for a long time, ONLY to call the game because of rain?
I’m sure this will be met with disagreement, but I don’t know if I really wanna watch a .500 ball club not make the playoffs. They’ve been fun to watch this year, but outside of Pittsburgh, it’s not like they have a cake schedule remaining… I think it’s gonna take 90 games to safely get a wild card this year, can they really go 51-32 the remainder of the year? Even if they beat up on some of the poorer teams, it’s not like they’ve swept or beat up on the poorer teams in the first half. Even if they get a fully health squad back, do we know if it’s enough to push them into playing at that level? Now, why am I so pessimistic? Because I’m a Reds fan…. Perhaps it might be better to be aggressive for 2022, to sell high on some pieces and really build around the core (Winker, Stephenson and India, cause I can’t see them signing Castellanos) and more pitching coming down the pipeline.
Didn’t meant to post this as a reply to you, but oh well.
I looked at the money owed, etc yesterday and no reason they couldn’t give Nick a big offer! They get Votto & Moose off the books after 2023 so they’d really only have to bite the bullet for 2 more seasons. Say Nick doubles his salary from $14/mil year to $28/mil then thats an extra $14/mil year. They might be able to give Suarez ($11 mil) away to somebody like Colorado or deal Sonny Gray ($10 mil). I really enjoy watching Sonny pitch, but he’ll be 32 this year and they could probably get some young talent for him. Tucker will make $7 mil next year and Stephenson needs to play somewhere.
Bottom line is they could double Nick’s salary and still stay close to their current payroll without too much trouble.
I AGREE! No reason to keep Castellanos.
We should sign Castellanos if there is any possible way without going over 25 million per season. We should try to get rid of Suarez and Moose’s contracts even if we have to eat money or otherwise sweeten the pot. Moose was a very bad contract. Geno’s was actually a good contract until this season. Akiyama’s contract doesn’t look good right now although it isn’t that bad either.
@JM> My best understanding of the rule to call versus suspend the game is as follows. It became an official game once the Reds were out in the 5th with the Padres leading. There was no change in the lead or even runs scored in the top of the 6th which made the bottom of the 6th irrelevant.
Had the game been tied after 5 and the Padres taken the lead in the top of the 6th, the Reds could not have lost the game without getting their entire turn at bat in the 6th. So, that would have resulted in a suspension. On the other hand had the Reds taken a lead during the top of the 6th but the inning not been completed, it still would have been a Reds win just like a bottom of the 9th or extra inning walk off win by the home team.
Thanks for the very simple explanation. It’s in the rules. I can’t believe people don’t actually know these scenarios.
My question is whether or not it’s compulsory that they do this—why could they have not suspended it until today?
Agree with you Jim,
If the Reds would not have been in the lead and the rains came in the bottom of the 5th, Reds would have been a winner.
Did not give up the 4 runs in the top of the 5th.
Games are official after the visitors have completed 5 ABs with the home team ahead or after the home team completes 5 innings and the visitors are ahead
Also….if you are David Bell, and you have people doing research for you, or should have people doing research for you, and you know the rain is coming soon….why not go to Amir Garrett, who has more experience than Osich, and also has pitched pretty well lately? Don’t understand Bell’s thinking??
there is no way bell could have predicted this. Come on now. A delay we can assume but this…
Osich had been very solid up to that one, wall scraping GABP special.
I too was under the impression that the reds should have been given an opportunity to bat once a pitch was made in the 6th. I was familiar with the 5 inning policy but assumed that the home team either required the lead or needed to make the last out. Learn something new. MLB coddling San Deigo. At least it rests the important portions of the bullpen.
See above. If the road team led at the end of 5 or any completed inning later than the 5th, the home team is not guaranteed any outs in a partially completed inning. If the road team takes a lead in the top of an inning then the home team if gets it at bat in the bottom of the inning (suspension situation).
Way back in the day decades and decades ago, the road team could actually get runs taken off the board and lose a game in a situation similar to tonight if the road team trailed at the start of an inning after the 5th, took the lead during its at bat but then weather kept the home team from getting its at bat in the bottom of the same inning. This is why they adopted the suspension rule as it is now.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
We clearly can’t beat the Padres… Hopefully we can play good against other NL teams.
Well gabp cheapies giveth and they taketh away. Their granny wasn’t crushed. Prob just a sac fly in 25 parks, but Nick didn’t crush the 3 run hr either
I’m sure Nick will consider how GABP plays and fits his swing when he makes his decision.
3-19 vs the NL West is the iceberg to our Titantic, but its been a fun team to watch. India has really taken off and Stephenson is going to be a force. Joey needs a platoon partner, but it definitely doesn’t look like he’s just playing out the string like Pujols or Miggy Cabrera when he faces rhp. Iron out the pitching staff and move forward!
I’m glad SD picked up Trent Grisham (.894 ops) from Milw. He’s only 24. Think he came over for Pomeranz? Pads stole him whatever it was?
Scott Boras is Nick’s agent. Therfore it’s likely he will be signing for whatever team gives him the most $$, or the most $$/year. That’s what Boras does, get top $$ for his clients.
Castellanos probably won’t get a much better offer if he opts out. A simple look at his home/away splits is all a competent GM would have to do: wRC+ Home 233 Away 109.
i disagree with Jim above. i think there are lot of interpretations for a suspended game vs a called game. kind of like the infield fly rule. it comes down to the discretion of the crew chief.
no reason that this game couldn’t be suspended and resumed on 7/1 but it is supposed to rain all day tomorrow . this is the last time these 2 teams meet and Im sure the umps don’t want to be out in the rain all day and all night tomorrow so they just called it.
https://www.mlb.com/glossary/rules/regulation-game
A game is considered a regulation game — also known as an “official game” — once the visiting team has made 15 outs (five innings) and the home team is leading, or once the home team has made 15 outs regardless of score…..
If a regulation game is terminated early due to weather, the results are considered final if the home team is leading. If the home team is trailing, the results are considered final if the game is not in the midst of an inning when the visiting team has taken the lead.
If a regulation game is terminated early due to weather and the game is either tied or in the midst of an inning in which the visiting team has taken the lead, it becomes a suspended game that will be completed at a later date from the point of termination.
The Reds weather goose was cooked as soon as the 5th ended with them trailing. From that point on, they were guaranteed zero additional at bats unless they came back to (at least) tie the game by the end of an inning or during the midst of a partial.
It’s always nice to read someone who actually reads the facts. That rule hasn’t changed since I attended my first game at Crosley Field in the mid 50’s.
@Doc, The only change over time I found in researching this morning to confirm my memory was that my recall was also correct that prior to 1980 or thereabouts a road team could in fact become a loser if they scored to tie and/ or take the lead in an inning after the 5th in which the home team did not get its complete following AB in the same inning due to weather interruption.
Do you recall a game in about 1967-68 when this happened or nearly happened to the Reds? I remember I was listening on radio driving north on I-75 in the Lima, OH area at the time. The game was at Wrigley and the Reds had taken a lead (from behind) when the weather set in. I think maybe the Cubs got up to bat in the home half of the inning and were trying to stall to get the rainout. Best recollection is either the umps roughed it through to the end of the inning or it turned out to be a strong but short summer shower blown in off the lake and the game was eventually resumed after a delay.
I can’t believe people are inventing rules to justify continuing the game…some even think it’s MLB showing favoritism of one team over another.
This is not a rule that’s “interpreted”. It’s very clear. Nice for Jim to research it and confirm what I thought was the case.
Never thought I’d say this but the Padres own us. Hovering around .500 on July 1st and I see no reason to expect anything less with this team. My prediction of 80 & 82 back in April still stands unless there’s a change in the Manager or roster.
The Padres have built a real strong team this year and they look to me like a leading candidate to take it all. But since the Padres team has been around, they have rarely owned the Reds. There’s a lot of negativity now but a half season is still to go so a lot can happen either way.
That’s why people like me were calling for the Reds to rebuild since before the season started. The Reds simply don’t have the talent to compete with the top teams in the NL West. The Reds only had a shot at the playoffs because they play in the Central with a bunch of other .500 teams.
Now that the Reds are expected to finish the season 10 games behind the Brewers and 11 games behind the Giants for the final WC spot it should finally be time for the Reds to do a proper rebuild. Sadly, aside from Winker, don’t really have any good trade chips as Suarez, Castillo and Gray’s trade values have tanked.
Guitterez and Santillan both showed us that they are not as good as we thought they were . They are likely both bull pen pieces unless they can develop a wider arsenal. Their fast balls are just not dominant enough to be their primary pitch.
Greene and Lodolo will join the team in September so we will have a chance to see what the future looks like. Castillo and Miley and Gray plus Lodolo and Greene should be the rotation in 2022. Until then we will be no better than a .500 team.
I think you meant Mahle, not Miley. Wade will be a great trade chip as the deadline approaches.
IMO the Reds will have a lot of trade chips to work with, either good or not so good, during this season or the offseason. It depends if the ownership/front office is up to the activity.
Who is “we”? Gutierrez has been at least as good, if not better than I expected. Santillan looks like a young guy who needs to still develop in the minors, and from what I’ve been reading, needs another pitch before he’s likely to be an effective starter.
Kind of felt like a lead they couldn’t afford to see slip away and Osich is the go-to in the high leverage situation? Yeah, I know the bullpen stinks, but Osich and Perez as the first 2 out of the pen in a close game they really need seems odd to me.
Doolittle grooves fastballs with regularity. Garrett has a propensity to issue walks then groove a fastball. Bell wanted a leftie; and, these factors made Osich his choice given 2 men were already on base.
Ive always felt Garrett pitches well when he starts the inning. He doesnt do well when he comes in with runners on.
Wow. Just wow.
I know the Padres can make a lot of pitchers look bad, but looking at their overall work during their call-ups, I wish Santillan and Gutierrez would’ve done enough with them to make Hoffman to the bullpen a no-brainer. As it stands, I dont see that as the car, unfortunately.
Now, this may or may not be hyperbole, but it seems like Milwaukee’s move to get Adames has been a catalyst for that team. A catalyst that was available to the Reds for a comparable price. I hope credit is not being given to the GM over there because as I’m led to believe, it’s not the GM who pulls these moves, it’s the owners. It’s not Krall’s fault.
Okay.
Except in the 2 games versus the Padres, Gutierrez has been league average or better. His worse in-game ERA in all 5 other games is 4.50. He has gone no less than 5 full innings in any of them, including 6 innings twice and 7 innings once in these games. This includes 2 games versus the Brewers in proximity similar to the situation with the Padres plus a game each versus the Braves, Cubs and Cardinals.
Hoffman has no options left. He has to be on the 26 man roster when healthy or exposed to waivers to be sent down via outright assignment.
However, for now, I think Gutierrez stays in the rotation with Hoffman in the MLB pen. That is a tough call though because with Santillan being shortened for relief if Hoffman or Gutierrez is also similarly shortened, Hunter Greene would seemingly become next man up at AAA as an injury replacement MLB starter.
I like Vlad Gutierrez. 5 good starts out of 7. SD roughed him up twice, but they’re hot. He moves the ball around and doesn’t just live off the fastball like most rookies. His first 4 starts were all divisional w/Cubs, Cards, and Milw twice. He had a 2.74 era. Alot better start then most rookie starters! He seems like a flyball pitcher which could be a problem in gabp, but he’s got potential as a good 4th/5th starter imo.
Yeah Adames was a huge pickup for Milw. Hopefully the Reds can find a solution in the offseason. Maybe give Barrero another shot while we’ve got some season left. We’re back in 4th so what difference does it make?
+1 on Vlad
I like Gutierrez as a starter too but he needs some refinement versus further development which I see the case being with Santillan. Hoffman has been around MLB more and may be showing us his MLB ceiling is an effective 1 or 2 inning guy from the pen.
The good news is, the bullpen only had to pitch for an inning. The bad news is, the bullpen had to pitch for an inning and promptly gave up the lead. Vlad will be happy not to see the Padres any time soon. Against everyone else he’s got 29 IP and given up 10 ER. Against the Padres he’s pitched 9.1 innings giving up 11 ER.
Congrats to Joey Votto on reaching another milestone. Keep on keeping on.
Pads faced 2 rookie pitchers and they beat us but we battled.They are a better team up and down the lineup.Myers hits 7th on most nights which is all you really need to know about their offense and its capabilities.Reds have rode Wink and Casty and the young guys all year on offense.Reds miss Senzel and Moose but really miss Naquin and his bat.Can’t compete with the best teams and the Brew Crew will hit better the second half so this year is pretty much what it is.Brewers last in hitting have 3 very good starting pitchers and a top notch set up man and closer.They have shown they will go out and get what they need and will do more at the break.They are trying to win while we are just trying to stay close.Ownership refuses to help so the players play on and we watch and go on as well.Luis dominates the Pads B lineup tonight and Wink and Casty do what they do.Go Reds
I don’t understand how the decision to suspend or complete a game is made. On April 20 against AZ, Reds winning in the 6th, rain, game suspended, the go on to lose the next day when AZ takes the lead in the 8th. June 30th, Reds losing in the 6th, game called complete, Reds no chance to come back. Can someone refer us to the official rules for this and/or explain the difference between these two decisions, which unfortunately both go against the Reds??
See Jim Walker’s comments above.
just bad luck. if today was an 80 degree sunny day, trust me they would be finishing up today. but these umpires are human and don’t want to stand in the rain all day trying to play 4 more innings. i can’t really blame them.
And that’s the point. When it comes to these things, human biases should be eliminated as influences. Therefore, since there is a rule that has apparently been the same for 70 years, why were the umpires even allowed to say that the said game on April 20 be continued? To eliminate biases, the rule should stipulate that if the game gets a rain delay after 5 complete innings, then it goes in the books.
You see that.
One of my buddies bets alot and had like $1k on an Over recently. It was like 15-4 or something, but they called it after 8 due to rain. No complete game. No payout on totals.
On April 20th the game was not suspended until the 8th inning, so the fact that the Reds led in the 6th means nothing. Arizona was leading the game after taking the lead in the top of the 8th inning in which the game was suspended. The home team gets a chance to bat in situations like that.
Last night the Reds had their chance to bat after losing the lead.
Ok that makes sense. I didn’t go back and look at that game was just going by what was said above.
But I still have the question of whether or not ending the game due to rain (provided both teams have had their equal chances) either is, or should be, compulsory
Glad to see Votto get his 1000th RBI and I have to admit, he’s having a better year than I would have thought and I’m really glad he is. Absent the injury, he’d be on pace for something like 25 HR, 80 RBI and a 330/470/800 line?
The problem with his contract isn’t that they are paying him $25 million this year, it’s that the Reds won’t recognize that they are really paying him $12.5 million for this year and $12.5 million for 2013 (or 14, or 15 – pick a year). Spreading out the money in a big contract makes sense for the team when it’s signed, but sure doesn’t at the end of the contract if they attribute the entire amount of the last couple of years to those last years when determining their payroll budget.
Actually, this year the Reds are pretty fortunate in that Votto’s production may not have been able to be replaced with $12.5 million. Assuming Moose could have gotten something similar to what the Reds paid (realize I’m inviting howls with that assumption), Joey’s projected numbers are pretty much what would be expected from a full year of Moose.
i think in general mlb wants to complete a regulatory nine inning game. but the scheduling and weather just were not on our side this time.
i have been arguing for an indoor stadium for sometime now. look at the success the Brewers have had since moving indoors. i think it would pay for itself 100 times over especially being smack dab in the middle of the rain belt. Also we have an older fan base her in Cincinnati and many of us old guys can’t take the heat anymore.
Agree. I’m still trying to figure out why Minnesota didnt build a stadium with a retractable roof.
It’s been my thinking for some time now that any new stadium should be required to at least have a retractable roof especially given that the the season starts earlier seemingly every year. Weather problems should eventually be eliminated.
The Reds should offer Castellanos four years at 120 million right now, take it or leave it. If he leaves it, trade him away.
I’m sure Yankees are willing to give him and his agent Scott Boras seven years at 230 million in free agency.
Season has reached a serious tipping point now, due in large part to one team- the Padres. Each game now is becoming noticeably critical.
Did not see the Brewers as a 50 win team on July 4 but they get a 4 game series against the Pirates. If they go 3-1 they would be 51-34. If the Reds go 1-3 against padres/cubs, they would be 40-43 and 10 games out on July 4th. Reds season is once again on the brink.
Unless the Reds sell deeply or have more crucial injuries, the schedule strongly turns their way come August through the end of the season. Hopefully, they can be around to fully exploit that and get into the playoff picture. But I agree it is looking grim now despite the number of games remaining
I think it will be very hard for the Reds to hang on until the schedule lightens up especially when you consider how easy the Brewers schedule is the next month. I think that offering Castallenos a 4 year 120 million deal right now is a good idea. If he takes it great,, if not trade him asap.