Well, yesterday saw a whole lot of baseball news come from every single direction starting in the early afternoon. At first it was that the Philadelphia Phillies has multiple players and coaches test positive for COVID-19, and that it had extended beyond those numbers as it also reached some family members of those players and coaches. Then we started getting more information about other teams having players that have tested positive around Major League Baseball. And almost like someone flipped a switch, the entire sports world started seeing similar reports, topped off with the Clemson football team having 23 players having tested positive at this point. The NHL saw their training camps shut down in several cities after they had positive tests with a few teams.

As the day went along, more information started coming out from Major League Baseball on several different fronts. Getting away from the pandemic for a second, the owners have decided that they are not going to be responding to the players proposal for 70 games and sharing of playoff revenues.

That led to the MLBPA to release this statement:

MLB has informed the Association that it will not repond to our last proposal and will not play more than 60 games. Our Executive Board will convene in the near future to determine next steps. Importantly, Players remain committed to getting back to work as soon as possible.

There’s a lot going on here. This past week the players said “when and where”, challenging the owners to set the schedule to a number of games that fell into the “attempt to play the most games possible” section of the March agreement that would keep the terms of the contract valid and not leave an opening for the players to file a grievance. Instead the owners offered 60 games in a proposal rather than implementing the season – trying to buy time so that they could ultimately just “run out the clock” to implement the number of games that they want.

By not responding to the players proposal is just another step in delaying things to get to a date in which they can try to avoid a grievance that could cost them, by some estimates, a billion dollars, instead of just play 70 games which would cost them about $300 million beyond their 60-game proposal. How fun. The business of baseball is ridiculously stupid.

But let’s get back to something even less fun than the business of baseball. The pandemic. Things are going in the wrong direction in many states. And while there are some conspiracy theorists out there in the baseball world who believe the owners are trying to just use this as a way to cancel the season, this particular writer doesn’t buy that. This particular writer has also been wrong before.

TJ Quinn of ESPN is reporting this morning that COVID-19 concerns are a real threat to the season. Which, of course it is, that’s the reason baseball hasn’t been happening for the last three months and a week.

But, Quinn isn’t exactly off-base, either. Yesterday saw rumors that baseball was at least considering a plan that would include sending everyone to California to try and play instead of having everyone at their own ballparks and traveling across the country (or at least their portion of the country). This was first reported in The Wall Street Journal by Jared Diamond and Ben Cohen. The players quickly went against that plan in April when it was spoken of in Arizona (and then an Arizona/Florida/Texas hybrid).

Late last night Major League Baseball decided to shut down the team facilities in both Arizona and Florida according to Bob Nightengale of USA Today.

This only applied to the spring training sites, not the big league facilities in those states where some teams have players working out at.

There’s a whole lot going on. And there’s a whole lot of stuff to still be figured out as to whether we’re going to have Major League Baseball this summer or not. Money. Sickness. Risk. Reward. All of it. Us? Well, we’re just in a waiting pattern still, trying to see how it’s all going to play out.

55 Responses

  1. CI3J

    Cancel the season. It’s not worth it now. The U.S. has utterly failed to control the virus, and sports are the least of the worries now.

    Just end it. It’s over.

    • Sliotar

      IMO, your posts are absolutely coming across like someone who has lived in China too long.

      Authoritative, anti-United States, a rush to certainty.

      All of this is trial-and-error…there is a lot at stake for a lot of people. If the players do not wish to take the risk … that’s that. They can shut the season down at any moment…but haven’t yet.

      Otherwise, everything is a day-to-day proposition at the moment, learning Best Practices on the fly, and trying to reach a deal.

      • CI3J

        These people who were just diagnosed with the virus need to quarantine for 2 weeks. That already puts us at July 4th before they can even begin training again, then how long from there until they are game ready? Late July at the earliest, meaning we are left with 2 months of baseball, IF the virus doesn’t continue to peak and rage out of control, which the numbers are trending in the wrong direction for that.

        Simply put, the writing is on the wall. To play baseball now would be foolish, pointless, and irresponsible.

        It’s time to throw in the towel and admit that baseball is not happening.

      • greenmtred

        How was that post anti U.S.? The fact is that we lead the world, easily, in cases and deaths, despite having an advanced public health system.

      • Sliotar

        To keep people watching and clicking … most media uses a clever trick by mentioning “U.S. leads in cases.”

        The U.S. has 330+ million people … several times the population of many other countries. Use the metric of Deaths per Million, so all countries are viewed equally … U.S. is not in the Top 5.

        https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

        Also … most sensible people can agree China has not been consistent or factual with its reporting throughout the pandemic … so, for all we know… China could very well be first in Deaths per Million.

      • Sliotar

        Also … China is the worst in Asia … but several other countries have authoritarian and privacy-invading practices that are just implemented …. no vote.

        Those, by default, helped stop the spread of the virus … but at the expense of privacy and civil liberties. So, Asia numbers would be less compared to open, free countries like the U.S. and in Western Europe.

        @Cl3J defending life in China is … something. I feel for the oppression the non-connected, non-CCP Chinese person must always be wary of.

      • CI3J

        Where did I defend life in China? I said I’m no fan of the Chinese government, but that doesn’t mean I have to instantly condemn everything they do.

        Yes, in the initial phases of the virus, they screwed up big time. They jailed doctors who were trying to warn about it and generally tried to cover it up and outlawed any mention of it.

        But once they realized they couldn’t keep it under wraps, their policies to combat it absolutely were effective. I don’t understand why that is a controversial position to take. Were there more deaths than what was reported? Very likely, especially in Wuhan. But despite that, the country has fully and safely reopened and has been for about 2 months now. Again, I’m not sure why saying something like this would make you angry, it’s simply the fact of life living here.

        If you think it’s some big conspiracy and thousands of Chinese are still dying from the virus, think about this: Look at how poorly China controlled the narrative when the virus was only in Wuhan. They utterly failed to keep it under wraps. So how could they possibly hope to do that for the entire country of 1.5 billion people? If the virus were still spreading and people were still dying, you can bet we’d be hearing about it, even if the government tried to stop it. There was a flareup in Beijing a few days ago. Why didn’t the government just cover that up and refuse to admit that it happened?

        For the last time: No, I do not like the Chinese government. I don’t like Yadi Molina either, but even I have to admit he was a good baseball player. Just because you don’t like something or someone doesn’t mean you should be incapable of admitting when they’ve done something good.

      • Sliotar

        I am not “angry” about anything.

        You have posted stuff in a way that “China is right, U.S. is wrong” about this pandemic while omitting or glossing over the implementation of such policies … like this –

        “They jailed doctors who were trying to warn about it and generally tried to cover it up and outlawed any mention of it.”

        That is no small thing … and only “the tip of the iceberg”, to use your writing … of what the CCP can do at any time to its citizens, over anything.

        When you portray a totalitarian system as better than the trade-offs the United States must make to keep the right of a person above the government, to remain free … yeah, I will push back. With facts.

        Again, I wish you well.

      • CI3J

        I’m not comparing the system of governments. I’m only comparing the outcomes of how the handled the virus. Initially, yes, China screwed up. I admitted it. But afterwards, yes, China absolutely handled it better than the U.S. That’s not really up for debate. Temporary sacrifices for the long term greater good are better than downplaying it and trying to carry on with some semblance of normal life. You only need to look and see how quickly China got things under control compared to how the U.S. is still struggling with it half a year later and currently going through a massive spike in new cases (soon to be followed by a massive spike in deaths).

        Again, it’s not really controversial to say this: China handled the COVID virus better than the U.S. did. Objectively, factually, there is no debate to be had on that based purely on the outcomes.

      • Don

        since we know that there is no accurate data from China on testing results or the actual death, no objective comparison between China and the US can be made. That is the objective fact.

        Since the CCP prevented internal country travel from Wuhan in December but allowed international travel from Wuhan to still occur, the CCP obviously tried to spread this around the world. No other objective conclusion can be made.

        The goal of the US (and most all countries) plan was to flatten the infection curve to not overwhelm the health care system so treatment is available to those who needed it.

        The same number of people will contract the virus just over a longer period of time. Over time medical science will figure out treatments as occurs on almost a weekly basis another medicine is found to have some positive effect as a treatment.

        Any suggestion that the plan was to stop or end infections of this corona virus would be a medical miracle and a 1st of its kind. Humans have never invented a way to stop the transmission of a nasal based corona virus.

        When there is open and free data flowing from China then comparison with the rest of the world about how this was handled can be done.

        If there were between 5000 and 8000 urns a week for cremations remains for at least 8 if not 12, how can only 5000 death from corona virus in Wuhan have occurred?

        The reported deaths from China by non CCP sources is that the reported deaths are 1/20th of the actual fatalities.

  2. Jefferson J Reed

    I’m rather optimistic looking down the road. Many vaccines are in the process of being developed. When an approved one is here, we don’t know, but it will happen. New leadership will arrive seven months from today, the country will be stabilized, and we’ll eventually arrive at a new normal which will include baseball and the Reds.

    • CI3J

      I like your optimism. But in the short term, baseball is dead as a doornail. I have a feeling these reports of positive tests for the Phillies, Clemson, and NHL teams is just the tip of the ice berg, and we’re going to hear more reports of it in the coming days.

      There is simply no meaningful path forward for baseball for this season. The sooner they come out and say it, the sooner they can stop the charade and all personnel can safely disengage to stop any further damage. Remember: Even if you don’t die from the virus, COVID can have lasting negative effects on your lungs.

      For an athlete who depends on their lung function (among other things) in order to earn their paycheck, should they even be considering taking this risk? If yes, it’s incredibly shortsighted. It’s a bit like riding a motorcycle without a helmet. Yeah, you can do it and be fine, but all it takes is one slipup and your life is changed (or ended) forever.

      • Colorado Red

        Not true at all.
        Most people who get the virus do not show any assumptions.
        So, we should shut down gas stations, walmart, etc.
        No we have to live.
        I would let any player with pre-existing conditions or who lived with someone, who has it opt out.
        Else, it is up to them.

      • Doug Gray

        Some people who show no “outward” symptoms are still showing pneumonia like symptoms in their lungs and even seeing lung damage despite having shown no symptoms.

      • Old-school

        So if MLB shuts it down( I think they should at this point for many reasons) how does that protect MLB players from Covid?
        MLB players won’t go hide in their basements. They’ll still work out with other players and trainers and go to gyms. They will take their kids to get ice cream. They will go to restaurants and Starbucks. Their significant others will go to salons and Kroger. Their kids will go swimming and play at their friends and have sleepovers.
        Their wives sister will work at the nursing home. Their brother will drive a metro bus. Playing baseball isn’t more dangerous than what many of us are doing every day. It’s less.

      • Doug Gray

        Well, some of them might actually stay home. So right there, it’s going to protect some of them. And no, their significant others won’t necessarily go to salons or krogers, and their kids won’t necessarily go over to friends houses or sleepovers.

        Some people actually can just avoid doing those things.

      • Old-school

        @doug…are you talking hypothetical or what’s actually going on right now? I just drove by a big youth baseball complex. Packed. Games going in all 4 diamonds those kids will eat afterwards and yes…swim and sleepover. Do u have a teenage girl? Socializing is in their DNA. It’s a basic human need. They get hair and nails too.

        Pretty certain players wives are 100% getting someone to cut their hair and stopping for a coffee.

        That doesn’t include the rest of society who are grinding it out every day. MLB players absolutely interact with the contacts of the contacts of the contacts. They aren’t in a bubble now. Go.look at Tucker barnharts Twitter and grand park event.do u really think David Bells kids aren’t socializing?

        Human beings need interaction and socialization. The mental health of kids and teens are important and they’ve been traumatized.

        It can be done responsibly and MLB players families are no different.

      • Doug Gray

        I’m talking about what’s actually going on. There are actual people right now who aren’t just pretending like nothing is happening and living like it’s June of 2019. There are a lot of people pretending nothing’s happening, sure. But the idea that everyone is just living life as if there’s nothing going on just isn’t reality, either. I can promise you that there are Major League players out there who aren’t walking around the grocery store, or going to Starbucks and getting their coffee or having sleepovers.

      • Old-school

        It’s the contacts of the contacts of the contacts. Not suggesting Joey Votto is walking in Kroger. I am saying MLB players are interacting with their families and friends who are interacting with world. Baseball is shut down NOW… Yet players and staff are testing +

        Why? Because it’s a pandemic infecting every fabric of society. All I’m saying is baseball players will get it whether they wear a uniform or don’t.

      • Old-school

        I’m also saying people are ignoring other issues due to Covid. There are elderly shut- ins abd nursing home folks who don’t see their families because of irrational fear and they are suffering. . There are chronically ill elderly refusing to seek care because of fear and getting sicker.. There are teenagers who couldn’t graduate or have a sports year and have been traumatized.. There are younger kids at vulnerable ages who need socialization. There are even younger kids who desperately need school and teachers. Businesses owners have been devastated as have millions of others.

        This isn’t a simple go home again issue and eliminate MLB and it’s all good.

      • VaRedsFan

        Old School nailed this 100%. I can’t believe you think players are going to stay nestled in their basements. If they are, they would probably be the opt-out of a season guys anyway.
        They are way more vulnerable not playing.

      • Doug Gray

        Players who are at the spring training sites are testing positive.

        But again, my point wasn’t that literally everyone was just going to not go out, it was that some will choose to not go out. So MLB not having a season will protect THOSE families.

      • greenmtred

        Of course the players, if the season is cancelled, aren’t going to self-quarantine indefinitely. But the type of exposure matters a lot. Brief, passing contact–in the aisle of grocery store, for instance–isn’t very likely to make you sick. A locker room with 25 players in it could be a very different matter. It might be possible to address the problems to the point where the risk is minimal, but the risk is not confined to the players: It extends to people they contact, and people whom those people contact, and so on.

    • VaRedsFan

      @Jefferson – If new leadership arrives, the country will have more to worry about than a virus. Start the season…60 games. If someone gets the infected, which will happen, you don’t throw in the towel. Quarantine the player and move on. Replace with somebody from the larger non-competing roster. Tough break, but just like injuries, teams will just have to deal with it.

      • Doug Gray

        That’s the plan for now. But what happens if you get a situation like the Clemson football team and all of a sudden you have 20 something players test positive?

  3. centerfield

    Mid-summer day and no baseball…ugh. I have to agree with CI3J, just shut it down now. Announce the season will not take place due to the health concerns and move the public’s eye away from the labor/money issues. Better optics for both the owners and players. Try again in 2021. That’s my ruling.

  4. Old-school

    It will be interesting to see how the NBA plows ahead. They have the bubble plan in place but Orlando and Orange county are exploding with cases-650% higher than just a few weeks ago per WSJ

    Interruption will be ongoing. MLB should shut it down and start planning 2021, trusting science in the next 8 months will give a path forward.

    • Jefferson J Reed

      Trusting science is the key in getting beyond this pandemic. Not thinking about it is not going to cause it to go away.

    • Don

      the logarithmic curves are slightly rising which looks like a plateau, which was the goal of closing the economy for 6+ weeks.

  5. Stock

    I have been saying for months the only way to play this season is if everyone is quarantined for the entire season. If you have no contact with anyone other than players and others who have been tested and do not have Covid 19 then you should not get it.

    If the players are not willing to be quarantined there will be no playoffs.

  6. Stock

    I really hope a vaccine is in our near future. However, Covid 19 is a nasal virus and in the history of our world no vaccine has ever been created for a nasal virus. Will Covid 19 be the first? Maybe. But it is also possible this will be with us the next 2-5 years.

  7. Bred

    It seems to me that neither owners nor players really want a season. Both sides know that it is inevitable people will get sick if they play. East, west, north, or south no where is safe. If they start a season, it will only get shut down. MLB is concerned about liability and players don’t want to get sick. How many owners do you think would attend games? Players know that the effects of the disease are mild to deadly and where any one person falls on the spectrum is unknown. I think all the negotiations are just posturing at this point until one side takes a page from Roberto Duran and declares, “No mas, no mas!”

  8. rex

    I don’t know how long I will live but I know when I pass I want to pass watching the Reds blowing a save against The Cards

  9. greenmtred

    It is generally understood that U.S. deaths are under-reported, too–not by design, but due to circumstance (people dying at home, not being tested, etc.) It’s hard to talk around the fact that our deaths and infections lead the world–not per capita, no, but still pretty shocking for the richest nation in the history of the world and worse than many countries without our resources. That aside, the point as it refers to the baseball season is that the incidence of cases is increasing in some areas: It’s still with us, and still lethal. It has now caused more deaths in this country than the number of American combat deaths in WW1. Organized sports, by their nature, create increased risk in a pandemic.

    • Don

      Most of the places I look have the deaths over-reported by 20 to 25% not under-reported.
      Colorado reduced the reported number by 25% in May as the classifications were not accurate. Like the person whom had a positive covid test and weeks later after a he was cleared and recovered, dies with a 0.48 BAC. That was a Covid death.

      The CDC guidance for classification and the medicare/medicaid payments has created a financial incentive to report as many death as possible as Covid.
      Medical examiners and motricians have documented that any death certificate which they do not report as Covid gets questioned and they need to explain why not Covid and every death which has Covid as the cause never gets questions.

      Not blaming the business people running the medical facilities, they need to get revenue somehow and since the government restricted or eliminated profitable elective surgeries they have no choice as without doing that they must lay off doctor’s nurse, staff etc. and/or close the doors to their facility.

      Funny how the same data can be made to show totally different conclusions based on whom is presenting it and what result they want their audience to believe.

      • greenmtred

        Excess mortality stats indicate that covid deaths are undercounted. Very possibly some deaths are ascribed to it that shouldn’t have been, but the reverse is also true: Deaths ascribed to a co-morbidity or pneumonia in the absence of testing–particularly early in the pandemic–that wouldn’t have occurred otherwise. This is the opinion of infectious disease experts.

      • VaRedsFan

        Hospitals were given funds if they reported as a Covid death. Over-reporting has occurred across the country.

      • Doug Gray

        There’s no proof of this actually being true.

      • greenmtred

        Doug: You know that actual proof doesn’t matter any more. The allegation is enough.

  10. vegastypo

    It’s time to put aside 2020 and focus on 2021. If the players and owners had an ounce of goodwill (I’m skeptical here, go figure), they’d actually start working on the next CBA, maybe even come up with something that supersedes the final year of the existing CBA (2021) and moves forward.

    And then be able to come back with a strong 2021 season, free of the labor strife. At least the medical world would have more time to look for treatments.

    • Sliotar

      To everyone so far who has posted “Cancel 2020 Season Now” ….

      which is a majority …..

      Do you understand the probability that a lot of jobs around MLB … players, team employees, TV crews, who knows who else … are likely to be permanently furloughed and/or permanently lost … if there isn’t a 2020 MLB season?

      Majority of teams not guaranteeing salaries past October 31 is a huge (and ominous) tell.

      • Sliotar

        It takes a lot of chutzpah to suggest in a public forum that a whole season should not be played … causing mass employment turmoil … because YOU don’t think it’s worth the risk.

        If I was a MLB team employee … I would be nervous, because the players and secondarily, even the owners … can call off the season. My future employment at risk and out of my control.

        Then, if I came here, the majority of comments would already have me laid off/fired.

        I am guessing MLB team employees are doing everything possible to keep a season alive … until they are told otherwise.

        Much still to play out.

      • Doug Gray

        Literally every single employee is at risk and out of your control. If you have a boss, it’s out of your hands. If you are your own boss (me, looking in the mirror), the customer base decides your fate as to whether you can survive.

      • vegastypo

        Well, a “whole season” is not going to be played, of course, but baseball has a likely outcome that it will return at some point. If the teams decide not to bring back the same employees it has to eventually furlough, that’s their decision, not mine.

        (Aside from the players, of course, who are better suited to rebound given their higher salaries.)

        I’m not eager for anyone to lose jobs. … I’m guessing anyone who is in their shoes isn’t too eager for me to lose mine either. Because of Covid, I fear that a lot of jobs — maybe entire businesses — won’t ever be able to rebound. Baseball will.

        My approach is from safety and practicality. We can’t even keep team facilities open right now as the number of players testing positive rises. It’s far from certain that baseball could complete even a two-month “season” without major health problems.

        I would add that employees who have their salaries guaranteed through Oct. 31 are probably in better shape than so many millions of Americans who have lost jobs already with less time to do anything possible to prepare.

  11. CallowayPost

    I think the best way to get the season going is to basically hire around the clock cleaning personnel who also video monitor the doings in high touch/close contact areas, while constantly cleaning. A lot of people, especially athletes, are unaware just like the rest of us of 100% of the things that we do with our hands. To be 100% deliberate in motor function is next to impossible.

    Look…we’ve all been dealing with this for months, including the players, and I think many of us not actively burning our masks because the great leader deems them stupid, have a good idea of how to conduct ourselves outside of our homes.

    For the business side, so much will he lost without a season, especially jobs. MLB has the money to weather this collectively, even if baseball shuts down, they just don’t want to pull together like the rest of us. They want theirs and no one is taking it from them. That’s why you haven’t seen them trying to get bailout money like so many other large companies that had overextended themselves before the shutdown.

    If the name of the game is to be constantly cleaning, testing, and social distance…baseball is perfectly able to do this more than the other major sports. They can even wear neck gators designed for the weather they play in…it’s doable. I HATE that this is where we are as a country, I only wish for the health and well being of others, just know the writing is on the wall…we are a consumer based economy and we are in the greatest depression. Not figuring out a way to live with this virus will only lead to more hardship.

    …and I hate sounding like the grim reaper because I honestly do care about everyone’s health…but we have to adapt.

    On a business side note…couldn’t the players agree to 60 games if they ask for a 10% raise during the playoff games to offset? I’m pretty sure they get paid for those as normal. I’m not great with brackets…but 60 games plus the entirety of the post season…that’s like 80-90 games for those making it to the finals.

    My head hurts. My heart hurts. This government has destroyed what remaining faith it had with its people.

  12. J

    I understand the players don’t want to be away from their families for three-plus months. However, that’s the approach MLB should take for the 2020 season. Play all the games in one area (Arizona, Florida, California, wherever…) and have the players report by themselves. During the season, they can eat meals prepared at the hotels and ballparks and travel to/from games alone via rental cars. Aside from being at the ballpark and hotel, players won’t have as much interaction with the general public. No, it’s not what the players want, being away from their wives, girlfriends, children, parents, etc. However, members of the military do it and survive. They are gone far longer, have a much more dangerous job, far less communication ability, and make a tiny fraction of what MLB players will make. If players don’t wish to be separated, MLB should simply allow them to skip the season while collecting pay and service time.

  13. RedNat

    The concern is that the testing is absolutely terrible. 30 percent false negative rate and about a 5 percent false positive rate. The tests right now are neither sensitive or specific.

    The one constant is that the death rate is going way down on a weekly basis.

    The WHO initial estimation is probably right. About 60 percent of our population will get it. With social distancing this is probably going to take about 4 to 5 years to reach and at that point we will have our heard immunity. I love baseball but i dont think it can survive 4 or 5 seasons on the sidelines. At some point the players are going to have to take a chance and get back out there or find a new profession. Yes, about 60 percent of the league will eventually get it. Some may get sick, most wont even know they have it. Could they pass it to a relative, of course!. But eventually we have to get back on the field

  14. Steve Schoenbaechler

    Personally, I really don’t care of we have a season right now. For 4 specific reasons.

    Before that, I will say, I can easily see myself getting back on the bandwagon. But, I simply believe it would be best and/or we probably aren’t going to have a season.

    First, our pitiful response to COVID. For example, I heard this afternoon on the radio about how athletes of all forms weren’t going to be able to get outside and stay in shape during this time. That is absolutely wrong. I’ve gotten outside most everyday we’ve have any lockdown. That’s never been a hindrance. So, going for a run shouldn’t be a problem. Need weight work? That’s where pushups and situps come into play, working out at home, in the backyard, etc. I myself have some weights myself at home. And, those guys make a minimum of 10 times what I do. I would think each of them would have some kind of weights system better than what I have. Now, “playing shape”, that’s something different. But, “in shape”, that still shouldn’t have been a problem for any of them. So, if anyone is out of shape, most likely, like with most everyone else, that’s their problem.

    Second, related to the first, given our poor response to COVID, we really haven’t flattened any COVID curve. In fact, it’s going back up in many states. I agree with Dr. Fauci, we haven’t even gotten out of the first curve yet.

    Third, these negotiations to get this season started are simply taking too long. We’re getting to the point that, if we are going to have any kind of season, it’s going to be one that lasts maybe 2 months + playoffs, or we are going to be playing into December. Either one of those I believe would be ridiculous, especially with COVID still around.

    Lastly, next season, we are only going to be doing this same song-n-dance negotiation BS since, from what I remember, the collective bargaining agreement ends. So, they will need to renegotiate that. And, doing that has screwed up seasons before.

    In short, I’m getting ready for football and see if the Bengals can do anything with Burrow now, if they even get on the field.

    Two additional items –

    I am really wondering what the NBA is going to do. I mean, all the teams, with all the fans, going down to Florida, and Florida is starting to become the epicenter of COVID for the nation. I can’t help thinking that is going to be a “wrong move”.

    I believe we will have baseball again, at some point in time. However, baseball is getting to the point where, if they don’t get their items in order, they are going to be passed up by many of the other sports like soccer, college sports, and even golf and auto racing.

    • Mark Moore

      All good points, Steve. I personally am wondering about NCAA football and basketball. We know Clemson had 23 asymptomatic players show positive test results. Does that mean they now have the right antibodies? Have the majority of us gone through this thing asymptomatic (as some suggest) and we’re actually better off than we think we are? How much mutation will happen that changes the impact over and over again (remembering that the “common cold” is a coronavirus that they can’t beat back medically)?

      So many open questions … so much we still DON’T know …

      • jim walker

        LSU apparently had 30 positives in their camp. Not sure of the breakdown as to players, coaches, and support personnel.

    • VaRedsFan

      There aren’t going to be fans in the NBA bubble.

  15. ClevelandRedsFan

    I’m not sure dying on the hill was truly worth it to the players. Here is everything they lost.

    The universal DH for two years
    A guaranteed $25 million in playoff pools in 2020
    $33 million in forgiven salary advances that would increase the take home pay of 61% of Major League players
    Overall earnings for players of 104 percent of prorated salary
    Over the last two days, MLB agreed to remove expanded Postseason in 2021 in order to address player concerns

    Here is everything they gained:
    Said hill.