Pie in the face was a staple practical joke in the era of silent movies. Lately, it’s what the Reds have been doing to their fans, losing to the worst teams in baseball. The Reds are now 63-77 under Jim Riggleman, 23-39 since the All-Star break.

Cincinnati Reds 3 (66-92) • Kansas City Royals 4 (55-102)

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Matt Harvey pitched five innings, giving up three runs on 6 strikeouts and no walks. No matter how you look at the data, it doesn’t support the claim that he has gotten better as he has gotten healthier as the year has progressed. Coming into tonight, in Harvey’s 23 starts for the Reds over 123 innings, he has an 4.46 ERA while the NL average ERA is 4.02.

Amir Garrett pitched two shutout innings and David Hernandez did the same in the 8th. But Hunter Dozier greeted Raisel Iglesias with a leadoff 383-foot homer to left center.

The Reds, who were shutout 5 times on the past road trip, got on the board when Dilson Herrera, pinch hitting for Harvey, hit a 2-run homer. Phillip Ervin, who had singled, also scored. The Reds have given Herrera a tiny amount of playing time this year and have done little to find him any. That seems like a missed opportunity.

Ervin tied the game in the 7th with a sharp single to left field after Scooter Gennett had tripled down the first base line. The Reds had a chance to go ahead in the 8th when the loaded the bases with no outs. Scott Schebler led off with a walk. Jose Peraza grounded between short and third and Joey Votto benefited from a swinging bunt. But then Eugenio Suarez, who has been in a brutal, month-long slump, grounded out to short (force at home), Gennett struck out and Ervin grounded out.

58 Responses

  1. Matt WI

    Fastest. Recap. Ever. I came looking for threads about the quotes about the manager search… lackluster and sad they were.

  2. Jack

    This team is a mess. That’s all I got.

  3. roger garrett

    Yep.There are no words that can describe this team and its been that way for a long time.

  4. Matt Hendley

    Manager search actually got its own tab on mlb trade rumors. Nothing new. Cause there is nothing new. It wont be anyone here. Well maybe Farrel, but no.

  5. Sliotar

    Reds are 10-28 in 1-run games.

    Even the 111-loss Orioles are better in 1-run games…12-27.

    I am happy that those who stayed at least got free pizza, especially after seeing the absurdity of bases loaded, no outs……no runs.

    The Reds should have handed out special vouchers to those who stayed to the end.
    Good for a free ticket for a future September home game, no expiration date…to be redeemed when the team is in a playoff chase. (I know, I know).

    But, then again, that would mean the team would have to recognized the overall rut it is in.

    • Bill j

      Someone told me a rut was a grave with both ends out of it. New program after the Reds games on Fox, REDS DEAD.

  6. scotly50

    Thanks for the Recap. Another Brutal game. I cannot think of a single staff member I would retain. Can the owner be fired?????

      • lwblogger2

        Need both a buyer with the money to buy the team and Castellini would have to be willing to sell. I don’t see Castellini having any desire to sell, even if the bake sale is a rocking success. At least we’d have cupcakes though, right?

  7. Jim Walker

    9 days to regular season CBJ hockey on FSO. CBJ have never won a playoff series but at least they’ve been there 3 of the last 5 years and figure to be in the chase to end again this season. That beats the heck out the last 5 years following the Reds.

    • Sliotar

      The CBJ have one of the most unique “all-in” seasons in recent memory, across any sport….

      Top offensive player (Panarin) won’t talk extension, can leave as free agent at end of season

      The franchise goaltender (Bobrovsky) is seeking top goalie extension money and can leave at the end of the season as a free agent.

      CBJ hesitant, apparently, because Goalie Bob hasn’t been good in playoffs…and league has panned the Montreal-Carey Price deal Goalie Bob is seeking.

      Add in the “speaks with no filter” coach (Tortorella)….quite the drama in store from Game 1.

      • Jim Walker

        Oh definitely. For those who don’t follow hockey at all, imagine Kershaw and Harper (or Trout) on the same team and both simultaneously in their walk year. Team has money set aside to sign both but neither will negotiate. Then throw in Maddon totally unleashed as manager.

        I think management is going to confound all the pundits and go all in until and unless they get offered full value on these guys or the team falls apart.

        With the rising youth on the team/ in the org and the ~$20M in cap space not spent they can buy their way right back into contention next season anyway.

      • Jack

        My Rangers will sign Panarin. They will have 21 million in cap space. No better place to play than the worlds most famous arena.

      • Jim Walker

        You could be right but I think he has a thing for warm weather and beaches.

        Some say lack of a really large and diverse Russian community is what Columbus is missing that Panarin wants. NYC certainly has the inside track if that’s accurate.

      • Jim Walker

        Avalanche were my favorites for many years back in the days of Patrick Roy and that bunch, even when they were playing CBJ. Think I really didn’t switch completely till one night when CBJ and Colorado were playing for each other and CBJ seriously needed the points; and, as the game progressed it became clear where my heart was.

  8. I-71_Exile

    Why do we support losers? Is it masochism? Self-loathing? A cry for help? I’m beginning to think that 44 years is enough. Life’s too short for bad baseball.

    • Jeff Reed

      Life is too short to not keep dreaming when my favorite team, the Reds, will get back on the winning track. But it won’t happen with out change from top to bottom. Standing pat will not get it done.

      • I-71_Exile

        I hear you, but consider this: were it not for a geographic accident at birth that timed precisely with the Reds’ organizational peak (I was an impressionable 10 year old Cincinnati kid in 1975) I wouldn’t care less for this trash. I would be a Yankees fan. They have a nice logo (that matters when picking one corporate entity over another), budget to sign whomever they want, and routinely go to the playoffs. Winning is the goal, right? Besides, they have Aroldis Chapman and Didi Gregorious if I’m feeling nostalgic.

        The Reds are now a perennial bottom feeder with a chance to overachieve to the middle of the pack.

      • Douglas Hyde

        Top, top top! weather it be ownership or GM, it all starts at the top.

  9. Mark Lang

    Yeah – nothing like getting kicked around by the Marlins and the Royals – even the other division’s last place teams are giving us a beat down… Great rebuild…. #BabySteps #WeReallyAreBetterThaTheLast3TimesWeHad94Losses

  10. Aaron Bradley

    Argh, lost a long post because my Facebook login expired. Anyhow, what I was trying to say is that right now I am glad they are losing. Let’s maximize draft position. Nothing left to prove this season. They had their moments but woeful starting pitching doomed them from the onset. Homer’s record pretty much summarizes the season. I would send him to a psychologist and give him another chance next year with much shorter rope. He is healthy. There is no telling how his season might have differed had he picked up a couple early wins and gotten some confidence. Matching up with Scherzer in the opener, not a very good beginning but he pitched well and deserved better than he got. If he can be league average and they get some outside help maybe the pitching is stabilized and they can be a 500 team more or less. Anyhow, to reiterate its all about draft position right now.

  11. Ed

    Homer bailey is finished. What are you talking about aaron. I would pay him not to pitch. Heck bring back bronson Arroyo. They can be our #1 and #2. This franchise has turned into a out and out loser. Sad for loyal fans. Bad ownership!

  12. David

    Manager search: Barry Larkin dodges career embarrasing moment, and won’t manage a lousy team. Film at eleven.

    Jim Riggleman: I just want a job, and will do whatever the front office says if there’s a good paycheck in it. I manage the game “the right way”. Bunts, there will be lots of bunts.

    John Farrell: I want to manage in the ML again, and will do what I am told. I will bring my vast baseball experience to bear, and in 2019 the Reds will win 70 games!!! Turning the corner.

    • scotly50

      Holy Cow. It is not the coaches. It is the product on the field. They need starting pitching and middle of the line-up hitting.

      • David

        Top Management of the Reds has FAILED to make correct personnel decisions, and to put the best team on the field. The leadership of the team on the field is reflective of this also. There will be NO dangerous ideas that other successful teams are using being used for the Reds.

        Losing, and meant to stay that way. We will lose a lot of games the right way.

        No, the manager does NOT play on the field, or hit, or anything else. But institutionalizing mediocrity and a losing attitude (that starts at the top, regardless of what Castellini says, or his various mouthpieces that repeat it) does nothing for the players approach to the game. At this point, the team is just phoning it in.
        They’re bad, they know they’re bad and they don’t care. Because Top Management doesn’t care, either.

        Riggleman said a week or so ago that the starting lineup for 2019 was “fine”, and they would NOT play the young guys. After the 1971 season when the Reds finished 3 games below 0.500 after winning 102 games in 1970, Sparky Anderson said “nobody’s job is safe”. He probably did not literally mean it, but the attitude was that they were EXPECTED to win, and players better be prepared to put out a maximum effort or the team would find somebody else to play.

      • Jim Walker

        And after that 1971 season, just a season removed from a 102 win season and World Series appearance in 1970, they were not afraid to shake things up big time.

        The Reds traded a 28 year old 1B (Lee May) coming off a 147 OPS+ season and their 30 year old 2B (Tommy Helms) who was a past rookie of the year, 2 time all star and 2 time gold glove winner (including ’71) for a 27 year old 2B (Joe Morgan) coming off a 117 OPS+ season and 28 year old RH starting pitcher (Jack Billingham) who had a very ordinary resume to that point.

        The rest as the saying goes is now history. And just how big was that trade from the perspective of history? All 4 principals are now members of the Reds team Hall of Fame, plus of course Morgan is in the National Baseball Hall of fame.

        The foresight and courage to make such a deal if it is there to be made is what the Reds organization needs in the worst way right now.

      • Ed

        Scot you are correct. Everyone on here with all these metrics get a life. They need starting pitching #1. It starts and ends there. Players who can put the ball in play with runners in scoring position. This is a huge skill that metric people dont observe rbis. Walks are the answer or your ops will be low. Getting on base is a component but what good is it if no one can deliver. The focus point needs to be on front office. They have ruined this rebuild. Billy bean of oakland said the other day it doesnt take long to have a winner if you know what your doing. Lowest payroll in baseball. Reds leadership is simply incompetent.

      • Bill

        If only someone would invent something like RISP where they took a batting average with runners in scoring position. Or get really creative and averaging a hitter’s win probability contributions (WPA) with the average leverage he’s faced (aLI) and subtracting his hypothetical context-neutral contributions (WPA/LI) from the equation.

        Maybe one day we could come up with something like for the 2017 season a certain first baseman has a 1.054 OPS in high-leverage situations, a 1.042 OPS in medium-leverage situations, and a 1.048 OPS in low-leverage situations.

      • lwblogger2

        If only… wait… oh yeah…. they do.

      • lwblogger2

        Yes, I think everyone can see they need starting pitching more than anything else. After that you lose me some.

        Using a very simple “slash line” of AVG/OBP/SLG in all situations and excluding pitchers, the Reds had a line of .264/.339/.415 … With runners in scoring position that line looked like .261/.354/.405 … That’s 3 points of batting average of difference, and 10 whole points of slugging percentage difference. Basically, that shows the Reds hit about the same with runners in scoring position as they did overall. There are very few examples of guys who could consistently perform better with runners in scoring position, then they hit over all situations. The guys you’re talking about are simply good hitters. Oh, and that .261 batting average with runners in scoring position was 9th in MLB.

    • Matt WI

      Bunts. Oh the bunts there will be. I just looked over at Baseball-Reference and it will shock nobody to hear that the Reds comfortably lead the league in bunt attempts at 79, the next closest team, is St. Louis at 67.

      I was hoping to find a stronger sense of correlation between the playoff teams and fewer overall sacrifice bunt attempts… but it’s not super clear. Atlanta, St. Louis, Chicago, and Colorado are all in the top 6 in the NL in attempts. And the Reds are 4th WORST at successfully executing said bunts, ringing in at 60%. The top team, being Atlanta at 74%. In summary… the Reds bunt the most and are one of the worst teams at doing it.

      Outlier: Milwaukee at only 37 attempts! They execute at 67% (NL Avg is 64.6%)

      • eric3287

        Does this take into account pitcher bunt attempts or solely non pitcher bunt attempts? Good teams that get on base a lot and have pitchers go deeper into games probably have more pitchers attempting bunts.

      • eric3287

        I looked at Fangraphs and sorted sac hits (sac bunts, not sac flies) by team and excluded pitchers. The Reds had 21 sac bunts by non pitchers this year. The 2nd highest was 14. The Phillies were the lowest with 4. The Reds are a complete outlier though. Team #2 has 14 and team # 14 had 6. So you have a cluster and then the Reds, doing Redsy things, and losing.

      • Matt WI

        So any way we slice it, they lead the league in fruitless endeavors. Sigh. To me, this is why it matters who the next manger is. Find somebody who is willing to flex even the tiniest percentages of chance back toward the positive.

      • lwblogger2

        Defensive can greatly affect how well teams execute the bunt. If a team knows that in situation “a” you usually bunt, they will set their defense accordingly. It also doesn’t help that the Reds don’t have a lot of good bunters.

  13. Pablo

    5 innings from our starter again…….yawn. Groundhog day. Meanwhile note how the A’s are in the playoffs again. There’s a team that knows how to rebuild and the right pieces to put into place.

    • David

      They sometimes make false moves, but they actually have a process to evaluate talent and act accordingly. The Reds have no process to evaluate talent. It’s all guesswork.
      And it shows.

  14. Mason Red

    Remember the good old days just before the ASG when this team actually appeared competitive? Those were the days!

  15. davemoorewvu


    Watch that to feel better. Seems like yesterday, but also feels like a lifetime ago.

    Look at that crowd. Late September and the joint is packed.

    I can’t wait til the Reds are playing exciting, meaningful games in September again.

  16. lost11found

    The lack of PT for Herrera bothers me more than most of the non-moves this year. Once the non-wavier deadline passed, I would have sat Gennet to start whatever therapy or proceedure was needed to help the shoulder and started Herrera. A sadder thought is that neither was healthy enough (armwise) to play 2B.

    • eric3287

      Sadly, the Reds kept playing Scooter so he could chase a meaningless award (the batting average title).

      • Jeffversion1.0

        Sadder still is they’ve even managed to get a few starts for Brandon Dixon at second while they let Herrera rot on the bench.

      • lost11found

        It’s a nice story and he likely didn’t neet too many more PA’s to qualify. That being said, They could have even done a partial platoon and still chased both.

  17. WVRedlegs

    Anybody can crash and burn. But our Cincinnati Reds crash and burn with style. Sort of like Evil Kenevil. The Rebuild by this front office is looking a lot like the Snake River Canyon jump by Kenevil. And they are having about the same results. A premature ejection of the safety parachute in place in case of miscalculations.
    Hey bartender, a couple of beers over here to help put out the flames. It’s 5 o’clock somewhere.
    Dumpster Fire Jim for manager.

  18. jreis

    I would like to see Phil Ervin be able to make that catch on the HR Ball last night for next year. looked like he missed times his jump a little bit. he has been one of the few bright spots this second half. if he works really hard on his defense and conditioning over the winter I could see him being Billy’s replacement in center for next year.

    • roger garrett

      Works for me buddy but well it won’t happen.Billy will be back and playing 145 games in center in year 6 of waiting on him to turn the corner.So Sad.

  19. Davy13

    Steve, remember the Three Stooges and the pie fights scenes in their film shorts? Remember, In those pie fights, Curly at some point would be clobbered by multiple pies in the face consecutively while still holding a pie in hand. (Cracks me up just remembering it)

    This season the Reds fan got hit with multiple pies in the face by the team management:
    – Pie: Not trading for Yelich
    – Pie: Not signing a solid starter
    – Pie: Not trading Iglesias/Hamilton/maybe Scooter
    – Pie: Not trading Harvey
    – Pie: Positive momentum
    – Pie: Winning culture
    – Pie: Seeing division rival trade for Yelich
    – Pie: Seeing another division rival trade for Ozuna
    – Pie: <70 win season

    None of these taste like banana cream pie…

    • Bill

      Unless Yelich came packaged with a number 1 and 2 starter it is irrelevant. Ozuna hasn’t been that impressive and ranks below both Schebler and Winker in OPS and is just slightly ahead of Schebler in WAR, plus add Senzel into the OF mix.

      Hamilton should have been traded in the offseason. Harvey should have been traded, but probably irrelevant, although It does add to the Bob C meddling narrative. I thought Gennett should have been traded, but with the shoulder injury and what seemed to be very little interest, he might not have returned much. Iglesias probably would have returned a good prospect.

      Winning culture and positive momentum is just the FO trying to sell their product, the fourth 90 loss season and no clear plan in place tell the real story.

      • BigRedMike

        Not sure I understand the Yelich doesn’t pitch narrative. The Reds are going to keep Hamilton and Gennett and pay them $20 million next season, they do not pitch.

        The acquisition of Yelich would show a desire to improve the roster. Instead we have comments that the position players are set on a 90 loss team.

        The Reds how shown they are not interested in the younger prospects playing, might as well trade them.

      • Bill

        I guess you don’t understand pitching and your reading comprehension isn’t very good. Without a couple of good starting pitchers Yelich would have only made a bad team, a bad team with a few more wins

      • Matt Hendley

        even worse, its a bad team with a few more wins, and a gaping hole where the future of the franchise is supposed to be. Billy Hamilton’s return is not a guarantee. Scooter, and this may come as a shock to some of you is a good player, some may have even have said he was one of the best 2B this season, an All star so to speak, keeping him is worth the money, you have to pay money to keep players. We should have traded Harvey before the non waiver deadline, yes, but I can understand the FO not pulling the trigger on the garbage the brewers were trying to pull on us, its almost as if they were Kinda blocking him and trying not to make it look like a block if we just dropped him off the books. If he comes back, great, if not, oh well, but he should not come back on #1 starter money. Herrera wants to play, get at SS every day and learn how to field better then JP. Cause the first semi decent bat that can do that will get the Job. As far as Yelich, I think it was a great move not to mortgage the fracking farm to get him. And actually was a decent move by the FA.

      • Davy13

        The way this Reds team is constituted, you could say that about Giancarlo Stanton, Mike Trout, Jose Altuve, Manny Machado, JD Martinez, Mookie Betts, Franciso Lindor, and… Joey Votto. So, the argument is that the team does not another player like any of these mentioned. The reasoning that a team needs pitching (agree), therefore it should not go after a superstar/elite everyday player as poor. A contending team needs both. A few more wins with Yelich this season, acquire top SP in the offseason may equal a few more wins, and so on…Then in a 2-3 season a contender. The team has not done that much.

        The debate of whether to give up top prospects (future) for a current top player (present) is a valid one. It is always a gamble. But having a 27 yr, MVP-caliber player, with 6.6 WAR this season/25.2 WAR the last 6 seasons, and affordable for the next 4 seasons (only 9M, 12.5, 14M, and 15M [team option]) would have been a great gamble. Will Senzel produce the same-type of numbers? While it is good to be prepared for the future, the future is a huge unknown filled with a vast wasteland of unfulfilled prospects.

      • BigRedMike

        The Reds are wasting money on bad players as I noted that do not pitch, yet, having a great player that does not pitch is a bad thing.

        Strange analysis

      • greenmtred

        I wish that the Reds had Yelich, not knowing what they would have given up for him. They need pitching more than anything, but a very good outfielder/hitter wouldn’t hurt a bit.

  20. Matt Hendley

    A healthy senzel will produce 3 WAR next season, by the end of 2020, billy will be gone, and in his plave will be trammell who will be producing 3 WAR in his first season. At 500k each. Controled for 12 years. Thats what the marlins asked for. Its not like we were going into a season without a MVP runner up. Stanton had a NTC and was not comming to cinci. If we are trading we need to trade for a controled pitcher in the same vein as the latos trade in 12, i would buy low on fulmer. There are options, bats are not the issue. At this point too many bats are the issue.