Tonight the Reds and Brewers meet in the middle game of the current three game series at Miller Park. The Brewers will be looking to solidify their hold atop NL wildcard race 3.5 games clear of the #3 team in the wildcard chase, the Colorado Rockies, and hoping perhaps still to catch the Cubs for the NL Central title. The Reds hope to improve on Monday’s uninspiring effort in their 8-0 loss to the Brewers. Game time is 7:40 Eastern.

Starting Pitchers

This is Tuesday; so, the Reds starting pitcher must be right hander Michael Lorenzen, making his first start since 2015. Steve Mancuso authored this excellent retrospective of Michael Lorenzen’s journey as a Red. The Brewers will send rightie Chase Anderson to the mound.

Realistically what can we expect from Michael Lorenzen tonight in the starter’s role? Three times this season Lorenzon has pitched at least 4 innings in relief appearances with a longest stint of 4.1 innings. On three other occasions, he has pitched 3 innings. Lorenzen is clearly acclimated to process of pitching then sitting down then getting up and pitching  again (and again and again), one of the major differences between starting and relieving. Lorenzen has thrown 60 or more pitches in an appearance twice this season topping out at 66 in his 4.1 inning stint. If he is getting the job done efficiently, he could go 5 innings. That’s not atypical of many other Reds starts this season by “regular” starting pitchers. However to make it that deep, Lorenzen will have to mix his pitches and come up with a put away pitch both of which have been  problematic areas for him this season.

Tonight marks Chase Anderson’s fourth start against the Reds in 2018. In his 3 prior starts versus the Reds this year, all won by the Brewers, Anderson has pitched 17.1 innings  and struck 15 Reds; but, he  has been prone to being burned by the long ball (4 allowed). His 2018 FIP versus the Reds is 5.29.  In the last month, Anderson has made 6 starts and compiled an ERA of 4.03 (5.08 FIP) in 29 innings of work. The Brewers are 4-2 in those games, an indication Anderson while not flashy is doing job 1 for a starter, pitching well enough relative to his team’s capabilities to give his team a chance to win.

Comparative 2018 Stats

Michael Lorenzen 4.04 67.1 0.67 10.1% 17.1%
Chase Anderson 5.20 154.1 1.69 8.8% 19.7%

To succeed as a starter Michael Lorenzen most likely is  going to need to maintain his HR/9 rate at around 1 (or lower)  and bump up the differential between his K% and BB%.


The Reds pen had to cover 3 innings on Monday. However none of their front line leverage relievers worked on Monday. They should be good to go to pick up from Michael Lorenzen if he can give them 5 innings tonight.

The Brewers pen covered 4 innings on Monday. Josh Hader worked a single inning prior to the Brewers pushing the game into a clearly blow out status; but is likely available for an inning if needed tonight. Brandon Woodruff worked 3 innings and figures to not be available tonight. Overall, the Brew Crew look to be in solid shape.


          REDS             Brewers
1. Scott Schebler (RF)
2. Jose Peraza (SS)
3. Joey Votto (1B)
4. Scooter Gennett (2B)
5. Tucker Barnhart (C)
6. Phillip Ervin (LF)
7. Mason Williams (CF)
8. Brandon Dixon (3B)
9. Michael Lorenzen (P)
1. Curtis Granderson (RF)
2. Christian Yelich (LF)
3. Lorenzo Cain (CF)
4. Travis Shaw (2B)
5. Jesus Aguilar (1B)
6. Mike Moustakas (3B)
7. Jonathan Schoop (SS)
8. Manny Pina (C)
9. Chase Anderson (P)

Eugenio Suarez actually gets a day off. Wonder how much thought Jim Riggleman put into where to slot Michael Lorenzen into the lineup?

News and Notes

Chad Dotson says there is reason to believe that light at the end of the tunnel isn’t another locomotive headlight coming at us….

Matt Wilkes looks at both sides of the Reds Matt Harvey conundrum

Joey has been cooking at the plate


Read and weep time……

Final Thoughts

Tonight Michael Lorenzen is back in the center ring at the start of a Reds game for the first time since 2015.  His appearance in this role adds excitement and interest to what otherwise would  likely be just another ho hum countdown to season’s end for many  most Reds fans. Collectively we are yearning for a ray of hope to ride into the off season and carry us to spring training 2019. A strong performance by Lorenzen tonight which stokes the promise of what he might bring to this team in 2019 not just as a starting pitcher but also as a contributing player between starts could go a long way in kick starting those hopes for 2019. Go Michael! GO REDS!

Stats and data courtesy of Fangraphs, Baseball Reference and

43 Responses

  1. doofus

    Yeah, the Reds are better off for not trading for Christian Yelich this past off-season. He’s a bum!

  2. Jeff Reed

    The Reds had their chance to get Yelich but they weren’t willing to give up prospect(s) to get him, so let’s move on and fortify the real need, starting pitching, in the offseason. Hopefully, next season, when Senzel is with the Reds, he’ll be in the lineup and not on the bench like Winker was for too long.

  3. Matt Hendley

    Oh my goodness we dont have the mvp runner up this year. Heaven forbid, thats 2 years without having the mvp runner up. Oh wait a minute….

  4. Jim Walker

    Just saw this quote (from PoBO Dick Williams) in a Mark Sheldon article about Nick Senzel learning OF. My bolding inside the quote.

    This guy (Senzel) has shown us enough to know that we have what we believe will be an elite hitter at second base and third base and a guy who has shown he can play shortstop. At this point, we want to see what else he can do.

    Didn’t I just read somewhere last week where DW was quoted as saying they thought NS wasn’t a shortstop?

    • VaRedsFan

      so did one of the minor league coaches. They saw him more than me. But the limited plays I saw him in spring, he looked more than capable. He made some plays that Peraza hasn’t been able to make all year.

    • Seat101

      I, too, am confused. Maybe they’ll move Peraza to second? Maybe they’ll trade Peraza? Maybe they will platoon Peraza? Or will they trade Senzel to a team that needs a shortstop?

      • roger garrett

        Your not confused Seat,DW is the one that is confused.

      • Seat101

        Thanks for the vote of confidence!

    • Broseph

      Let’s be real. The Reds FO is just throwing things against the wall and hoping it sticks

      • Matt Hendley

        I’m Just saying, Position Players have a 0.00 ERA, why dont we have Senzel start a game or two?

  5. VaRedsFan

    Peraza takes over the mini battle with Joey again.

  6. Old-school

    Lance McCalister 700 WLW interviewed Doug Gray on Reds confusing handling of Nick Senzel. Outstanding .

    Lance also very critical of Reds.
    He said Bailey and Stephenson are symbols of losing . Bailey represents a credibility issue for the Reds. His continued presence andadead money contract are lost causes. Stephenson is a symbol of the Reds failed pitching development.

  7. roger garrett

    Ha Ha Lorenzen works a walk.Scared to pitch to him I guess.Fun stuff.

  8. VaRedsFan

    That looked exactly like HBP that Joey took off the knee

    • Seat101

      I have a feeling he doesn’t know yet just how much that’s going to hurt him.

  9. VaRedsFan

    Schebler better start hitting 40 bombs a year if he’s going to play defense like this.

  10. Seat101

    So, yeah Jose hit a triple next? Had that not bounced into the stands, that would’ve been a triple.

  11. Jack

    Haven’t been keeping up since football started but do any of you think Herrera hasn’t played because maybe his shoulder is bothering him again?

    • Seat101

      Shoulder hurts? Or elbow bends too much?

    • Jack

      Lol the way they play defense I think Herrera spiked the gatorade.

  12. Old-school

    A potential reason for optimism. Marty and Jim day and 2nd inning media invite discussing lorenzen. Marty asked Riggleman if tonight was a tryout .Riggleman.. no.

    Jim day then said as a small market team… The Reds could utilize a middle inning Josh Hader approach… Starters go 4-5…. Can’t afford elite guys…. But then Michael lorenzen and Amir Garrett and perhaps Sal Romano pitch 2-3 innings every 2-3 days to get to the 7-9 inning guy.

    SP 1-4/5 inning

    Middle innigs high leverage guys. 90-100 innings


    Late innings

    New lefty.

  13. Seat101


    I agree with Thom!

  14. Jack

    On one hand I’m happy for Lorenzen and on the other hand I’m pissed that the front office has waited this long. I’m glad we wasted our time with Adleman, Feldman,Arroyo,Wojo, Bonilla and these other washed up has beens for the last 2 years. Totally clueless organization.

  15. docproctor

    Looks like Rig is pulling Lorenzen. That absolutely sucks. Only 52 pitches and cruising. Give him one more inning and a shot at a win.

  16. WVRedlegs

    Riggleman sucks. Riggleman treated this start like it was a band aid start for the rotation. It Doesn’t look like it was an audition for next year. I Can’t wait for Riggleman to exit this team’s future. Just a terrible terrible manager if he is only giving Lorenzen 4 innings with just giving up 1 hit.

    • docproctor

      Couldn’t agree more. One more reason not to want Rig back next year. And the list was already wrong.
      This really pisses me off.

      • docproctor

        *list of reasons was already LONG*

    • Jack

      They said earlier that Lorenzen would get the start on Sunday.

  17. Old-school

    This isn’t about starting pitching .

    The Reds arent investing in the old view of 7-8 innings of 4-5 SP. They aren’t signing any more $100,000,000 pitchers

    First , they can’t develop 4-5 SP that go 7 innings.
    Second, they can’t pay for 4-5 SP that go 7 innings
    Third, those SP rarely exist anymore. They break down.

    They are auditioning 5th-7th inning high leverage relief guys. Lorenzen ,Garrett and Romano.

  18. WVRedlegs

    The time has come. It is time for Redleg Nation and Red Reporter to start a loud drum beat for Riggleman’s departure. He shouldn’t even be given an interview. Time to move on from this monstrosity.

    • Corky Miller

      Why?? Lorenzen has had arm issues. This is his first start. Throwing him 70+ pitches to get a shot at a win is stupid. I can’t imagine he’s gone much over 40 all year.
      He did his job tonight. Get him out and let him feel good.

      Let’s be real. Riggleman has been trying to make chicken salad out of this chicken you know what staff all year. He’s had two guys that have been dependable all year – Hughes and Iglesias. The rest have been a crapshoot.

  19. roger garrett

    Lorenzen starting was just pulled from a hat .No reason behind it.Just something to do for them.Means nothing now or in the future.Lorenzen was thrown under the bus 2 years ago.

  20. Sliotar

    What a catch from a guy who doesn’t play regulary in this park…or any another.

  21. docproctor

    Looks like Romano has found a good role as the bridge guy between the starter and the finisher(s).

  22. VaRedsFan

    I really like Romano out of the pen.

    • Corky Miller

      Totally agree. If he can’t develop his change up, then he could be a very good starter. Otherwise, he’ll do great right where he is throwing 95mph sinkers in on righties.

      This format of 3 innings guys is exactly the model they need. The Twins are starting to do this too.

      With this offense and bullpen, they only need league average pitching for the first 6 innings to be in the hunt next year.

  23. Bill j

    BHam will be back next year, even when he isn’t playing we get some of HIS highlights. Wonder if it was because of the catch Williams made?

    • Sliotar


      Big Bob just texted Riggleman “Havoc plays every day for the rest of the season. No exceptions.”

  24. VaRedsFan

    Billy now in center, why not let him run for Tucker in the top of the inning?

    • Jim Walker

      That requires thinking more than one move ahead and isn’t totally linear neither or which come easily for the Reds

      • VaRedsFan

        Casali could have lead off the 9th instead of BH taking strike 3