Report: Mahle to Replace Bailey in Rotation, per Riggleman Steve Mancuso 09/07/2018 40 Mark Sheldon with the apparent scoop: At a season ticket holder luncheon, Riggleman announced that Tyler Mahle will replace Homer Bailey in the rotation #Reds — Mark Sheldon (@m_sheldon) September 7, 2018 Share this:TweetPocket 40 Responses CI3J 09/07/2018 About freakin’ time. Does this mean Homer is going to the bullpen? docproctor 09/07/2018 Hooray. Too bad it took until near mid-September. Capt. Phreddie Pizazz 09/07/2018 Better late than never, I suppose! Capt. Phreddie Pizazz 09/07/2018 …wait a minute, did he say when this would happen? Redgoggles 09/07/2018 Was this luncheon in July? #doesHomerknow? Sliotar 09/07/2018 We at RLN know how these kind of “big moves” work. It is justification for “Jimmy Riggleman is top of things, making moves, handling the tough decisions. We have to bring him back in 2019 and see what he can with a full season.” The team needs Bailey’s $ (and Hamilton’s, hopefully) to fill holes after 2019 and start to get this trainwreck of a rebuild turned around. Not a Bailey homer, but I don’t believe for a minute he is a primary cause of this horrible season. If the Reds are trying to scapegoat him for how far they are behind the rest of the division, that’s pathetic. (P.S. – IMO, he has earned every $, whether he pitches again next season here or not. Castellini doesn’t have to live with any arm/shoulder trouble the rest of his life….Bailey does). Bill 09/07/2018 I admit I am surprised by this. We know Bailey does not approve of being in the bullpen so it will be interesting. Does he go to the DL again or is it a disgruntled Bailey in the pen? Hotto4Votto 09/07/2018 This is from the same guy who said Bailey to the bullpen and Winker was the odd man out of the OF rotation right?… WeÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ll see how it plays out. I honestly donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t believe anything coming from the Reds anymore. Sliotar 09/07/2018 Harvey …. xFIP 4.31 …. WAR 1.2 Bailey ….. xFIP 4.65 ….. WAR – 0.2 IMO, Harvey should not be here after this season, Bailey should be bought out sometime (this winter or next). But, these two haven’t been universes apart this season. There is a reason why ESPN.com does not list W-L at the top of a player page, where the key statistical splits are. Indy Red Man 09/07/2018 Reds are 10-10 in Harvey’s starts. 1-20 in Bailey’s. One is average and one is the worst pitcher in the NL….maybe mlb? Cmon man? We get it….you don’t like Harvey or Scooter. You’re probably right about the Reds keeping Harvey, but he’s not Sir Losealot. greenmtred 09/08/2018 Harvey is also younger. They’re both coming back from injury, and the Reds are not currently flush with replacements, especially for both of them. Jeff Reed 09/07/2018 We’ll wait and see. The bottom line will be if Bailey is or isn’t in the starting rotation come opening day 2019. Steve Mancuso 09/07/2018 I’m glad Mahle will get the starts. I think it’s really important for next season because Mahle has a real chance to make the rotation. If he pitches well the next few weeks, it would also boost his offseason trade value. Whether it is Bailey or Harvey cut out, I’m for Mahle getting the starts. Same with Cody Reed. But if forced to choose, I’d cut Harvey out of the rotation. Bailey has 8 starts since his return from the DL. He’s given up 3 or fewer earned runs in 6 of those 8 starts. xFIP of 3.69. Matt Harvey’s xFIP in the last 8 starts is 4.17. I wouldn’t decide on the basis of that alone. The differing contract status also is an argument for Bailey > Harvey. Either way, Bailey vs. Harvey isn’t as big of a deal to me as getting Mahle starts. scotly50 09/07/2018 I agree. Out of the two, I would have picked Harvey. Bailey has not pitched as bad as his stats are showing. big5ed 09/07/2018 Nobody has ever pitched as bad as Bailey’s stats are showing. CI3J 09/07/2018 Eric Milton says hello. Redgoggles 09/07/2018 I’m guessing we’ll soon hear of an injury to Homer. 60 day DL. He doesn’t strike me as someone who will peacefully go to the bullpen…….kind of like Harvey in NY? What happens if he outright refuses? Does that impact his contract? If so, maybe the Reds are calling his bluff. Jim Walker 09/07/2018 The Reds can’t beat the contract unless Bailey walks away. Pitchers always have some degree of inflammation of tenderness. If the Reds send him to the pen; and, he doesn’t want to go, I suspect he will just put himself on sick call. The season will be over by the time anything would get settled. Jeff Gangloff 09/07/2018 Don’t let Homer Bailey no longer starting games for the Reds distract you from the fact that Matt Harvey is still starting games for the Reds. big5ed 09/07/2018 I could see them giving Wisler or even Lorenzen a shot at a start or two, in Harvey’s stead. If I am Harvey or Bailey, my goal would be to ensure that I do not get injured from now to the rest of the season. That would enable them to have normal off-seasons, where they are not rehabbing an injury, but actually doing an overall strength regimen. Nick Carrington 09/07/2018 I’d be shocked if they gave Wisler or Lorenzen any starts. Sims is probably next on their list if they need somebody. DW said they viewed Sims as a rotation candidate in 2019. Corey 09/07/2018 Why can’t Bailey start but tell him he is only going to pitch one or two innings? Have him go out there and throw hard. Mike Kelsch 09/07/2018 Why not! I like this idea. Jason Birkle 09/07/2018 This is a similar concept to what the Rays have done this year with an “Opener”. The Athletic just had an article on this, but “Opener” could be a perfect role for someone like Bailey who takes a long time to warm up. “Opener” starts the game but only to go 1-2 innings. Jason Birkle 09/07/2018 With September call-ups you can now just sit Bailey the rest of the year and not DFA him. I’m sure he won’t see a game out of the bullpen, but by waiting until now you have the offseason to see if he can get it together since you are already paying him next year. Not that big of a surprise move. Ideally every start from here on out goes to a young arm to see what you’ve got and get experience. Maybe it finally clicks for at least someone in this lost season. At this point a loss is a win anyway since it only increases our draft position. old-school 09/07/2018 How do we know the Reds weren’t simply giving Bailey some shade from 1-17? Have they said anything that rules him out for a rotation spot in 2019? J 09/07/2018 An old Reds saying: “Fool us once, shame on you. Fool us 20 times, we’re going to consider taking action.” Corey 09/07/2018 nice Tim R 09/07/2018 Has anyone on RLN wrote an article about whether the “opener” strategy employed by the Rays and most recently by Texas would be of merit for the Reds to consider? I think that would be pretty interesting to muddle over based on how “successful” the team has been at establishing work horse starters over the years 😉 anyway just curious thanks! Jim Walker 09/07/2018 For me the big question is whether this indicates the Reds will cut the cord on Bailey and eat their losses in the off season. I’d think the rule 5 roster deadline will be the moment of truth. Jim Walker 09/07/2018 Here is an interesting quote from Bailey re: the coaching he has received “If it comes from a pitching coach or a manager, those are the people whose opinions IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m going to listen to. The feedback has definitely been kind of hidden whether itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s good or bad. IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m not really getting a lot of feedback consistently.” Here is the link to the article from the Enquirer https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/mlb/reds/2018/09/07/cincinnati-reds-take-homer-bailey-out-starting-rotation-tyler-mahle-start-sunday-padres-mlb/1225156002/ Bailey also says “All I have to do is use every day to get better,” Bailey said. “Outside of that, hey, whatever decisions are made, itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s completely out of my control, so here we go.” So it looks like classic Reds noncommunication. Jim Walker 09/07/2018 And for the record and what it is worth or not, Riggleman says he doesn’t see Bailey pitching out of the pen this season. Scott Benhase 09/07/2018 But Homer has been getting “feedback,” not from coaches and management, but from the opposing team every five days, which is the most important feedback of all. Living in the deep south as I do, I rarely get back home. But I did on July 2, 2013. With my three adult children in tow, we experienced Homer’s 2nd no-hitter against Los Giantes. It was a magical night. I remember telling my kids that this would no doubt be a singular night for them. Odds are they’d never be present for MLB no-hiiter again. Homer had everything working that night. Even the one walk he issued was a borderline call by the umpire. But truth be told, other than his no-hitters and a few other excellent, magical outings (especially that one playoff win), he’s been basically an average MLB pitcher in his career. I think the metrics will bear that out. I am sure he is very nice person, loves his family and friends, and is generous with his wealth, but he cannot pitch even to the average level of a MLB pitcher right now. Now, maybe in the off-season he will find a way to retool, but right now, he’s not a MLB caliber pitcher. It seems the only reason they have been putting out there every 5 days is for him to earn his quite significant paycheck. I admire his grit and professionalism. It can’t be easy accepting that your team is 1-19 in your starts. Sure he could have more run support, but the Reds are still 1-19 in his starts. That can’t be anything other than hard to face emotionally and athletically. This should have happened sooner and I agree with Steve, Harvey should also be sat down and let one of the other young guys get some experience. Having Homer or Harvey pitching does nothing to build for the future. Spaceman Red 09/07/2018 I know there are Homer Bailey fans and backers on this site. To each their own. But I think the statistical evidence is pretty unequivocal that he is an awful pitcher this season. I also do not think he is a particularly wonderful person judging by his petty behavior this season and in seasons previous. I still remember, for example, complaining publicly about the Jay Bruce trade while and contributing next to nothing once he received his huge contract. Indications are that Homer only was “hurt” this season once they pulled him from the rotation. He has not been professional or shown any particular generosity despite his terrible performance and ridiculous contract. As I say, to each their own. I do not like him as a player and I’ll rejoice when the Reds finally cut ties, just as I did when they paid the Braves to take Brandon Phillips. Earl Nash 09/07/2018 I keep having a creeping feeling that the ultimate ending of the Homer Bailey saga will be the Reds cut bait on him and he goes to the Pirates and they teach him some pitch and he gets good again. Then it all culminates with Bailey hitting a Red in a game and a big brawl. Scott Gennett 09/08/2018 If he manages to stay healthy from now until ST, itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s up for FO to decide whether he deserves a rotation spot or eat up those $28MM, only time will telll. Plenty of rotation candidates for 2019 for three open spots. Eddiek957 09/08/2018 Bailey hasnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t pitched as many innings as he had this season since when? Shut him down hope for better results next season. Bad spring time to dfa sezwhom 09/08/2018 Since 2014. 145 then, 106 now. It’s easy to say DFA because it’s not our money and it’s a LOT of money. He’s 32 years old and owed $23 million in 2019 with a $25 million mutual option or $5 million buyout in 2020. The six-year, $105 million contract to which the Reds signed Bailey in February 2014 is the worst pitcher pact in MLB history. Lucky us! Eddiek957 09/08/2018 Done is done no matter how old you are Abdul 09/09/2018 I read all these comments and have to laugh. All of us forget that the only reason we have had winning seasons the past 30 years was the fact we played in one of the worst divisions in baseball. We got our wins beating up on the Cubs, Brewers, Pirates, and Astros but those days are over. This “rebuild” is a train wreck due to poor trades and coaching (decisions who to play). I’m guessing this nightmare won’t end any time soon.