The Short Version: The Cardinals jump out to a 5-0 lead, but home run heroics from Eugenio Suarez and Jesse Winker can’t bring the Reds all the way back. Cincinnati drops to 0-9 this season against St. Louis.
|St. Louis Cardinals (35-27)||6||7||0|
|Cincinnati Reds (22-43)||4||10||0|
|W: Wacha (8-1) L: Castillo (4-7) S: Hicks (1)|
|FanGraphs Win Probability | Box Score|
–Jose Peraza was 2-4 with a double and a run scored. Peraza has now hit in 12 consecutive games.
–Jesse Winker absolutely crushed an eighth inning home run to center field that came within inches of hitting that Toyota sign that has been so elusive over the years. This kid has some power, despite reports.
–Eugenio Suarez hit his 12th homer of the season, a two-run shot in the fourth that gave Suarez the NL lead in RBI. Joey Votto was 2-4 with a double.
–David Hernandez pitched two shutout innings, allowing just one walk.
–I guess I have to put this in the “bad” category, since he gave up five runs, but Luis Castillo looked simply brilliant for much of this outing. He pitched six innings, giving up those five runs in the first and the third, but he only allowed four hits and struck out ten Cardinals. I don’t know what else to say, but this:
Luis Castillo looks more dominant and his stuff looks more dazzling than any other pitcher in baseball who allows 5 runs a game.
— Chad Dotson (@dotsonc) June 9, 2018
–Austin Brice gave up a run on three hits and a walk in his one-plus inning of work.
–The Reds stranded ten runners.
–This game wasn’t the best ever. The Reds are now 0-9 vs. the Cardinals this season.
–Down 5-0 in the bottom of the fourth, the Reds finally struck. Scooter Gennett led off with a single, and Eugenio Suarez went all the way up into the second deck for his 12th homer. Suarez now leads the National League in RBI. Because he’s good.
–The Cardinals scored again in the top of the seventh, but the Reds got that run back immediately. Jose Peraza led off the inning with a double and, one out later, Scott Schebler traded places with him, an RBI double that made the score 6-3.
After Tucker Barnhart flew out, Joey Votto walked and a wild pitch moved the runners into scoring position. Scooter was unable to get them home, however.
–The Reds are 6-21 against NL Central division opponents. That’s the worst record of any team in baseball against their division.
–Cincinnati is 21 games under .500 and 17.5 games out of first place. Why do we bother?
–I guess I’ve discovered that three 90-loss seasons is my breaking point. When the team is still getting worse in the fourth year of a rebuild…well, no thanks.
I choose to be encouraged by Castillo being good the third time through the lineup even though the first time through wasn’t ideal.
— Jason Linden (@JasonLinden) June 9, 2018
Reds starters have thrown 6.0 innings in back-to-back games (Harvey 6.0, Castillo 6.0) for the first time since 5/20 (Romano) and 5/22 (Harvey).
— Reds Media Relations (@RedsPR) June 9, 2018
Peraza's 12-game hitting streak is 1 shy of his career high, the longest by a Reds batter this season and the longest active hitting streak in the Major Leagues.
— Reds Media Relations (@RedsPR) June 9, 2018
DOES THIS COUNT AS HITTING THE TOYOTA SIGN?!?!?!?!? pic.twitter.com/RWW3ZE5bVJ
— paco (@AllaireMatt) June 9, 2018
#Reds fall to season low 21 games under .500 at 22-43.
— Lance McAlister (@LanceMcAlister) June 9, 2018
I feel all the sentiment here. I have no motivation to be a Reds fan anymore. The team is hopeless and I’m tired of losing to the other teams that were rebuilding when we were. The Cards are always competitive. Our organization is embarrassing.
Reds Killers within their Division: (Have specifically Hurt the Reds for a While Now, more than most players)
Pirates=Josh Harrison and used to be Andrew McCutheon.
Ryan Braun is on that list.
He has hit a ridiculous amount of HR’s at GABP.
Castillo, overall is pitching well…last two outings, he has been done in by one pitch. Grand Slam vs Padres and Three Run Double/Triple to Reds Killer Molina. Walk to the Pitcher and another Walk the same inning, hurt big time. He has to figure out how to get that one big out to limit to 2 or 3 runs in his 6 innings.
I do not recall which RLN fan compared Winker to Will Clark, but I think he is looking pretty smart right now.
Ã¢â‚¬Å“What is Indy Red Man in March 2016?Ã¢â‚¬ÂAlex IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢d like ridiculous rebuilds for $500.
Ty sir….you win!
That was me. I’m a genius:)
Castillo will be fine, but don’t pretend he pitched well. Two home runs, a leadoff walk to the opposing pitcher, and a bases loaded triple are not good. He showed some impressive “stuff” and hopefully he learned something about focus and pitching at the highest level. And that will pay dividends. But he did not pitch well today. Disappointing because I thought there was a good chance the Reds would break this Cardinals streak today, and I’d have been happy to see Wacha take the loss. Sigh.
This is one of the major frustrations I have about the current Reds situation. A starting pitcher gives up five runs and yet people look past it because he had a couple of good innings. Understandably, there’s not much else to do if you want to continue following the team. All of these guys — Romano, Castillo and Mahle — have had enough starts now where the good-try trophy should no longer be handed out. Somebody has to start demonstrating that they can pitch six or more innings and give up three runs or less on a consistent basis. Hopefully DeSclafani can begin doing that tomorrow.
I see what you’re trying to say, Jim. I just don’t see it.
Stephenson is walking AAA batters 14% of the time. I hope he has given up fewer homeruns per flyball in AAA than the others have in the Majors. The hitters are just so much better in MLB. Stephenson has been really bad.
The others have issues too, especially Romano. But their struggles don’t make Stephenson’s awful season look much better.
Also, Stephenson walked 14.1% of batters in those 11 starts at the end of last season. His homerun rate was uncharacteristically low (higher in AAA this year with inferior hitters). I would take Castillo since May began or Mahle all season over Stephenson’s 11 starts last year. ERA over a short term is deceiving.
Nick, I fear that we have fallen into a mindset because of the absolute dearth of quality starting pitching we have seen from this team for years that we look at Mahle and think a 4.33 ERA performance is acceptable. It is if we strive for mediocrity (which frankly, right now wouldn’t be so bad, but it can’t be the ultimate goal). We have to see progress, a performance trend chart that is slanted in a positive direction. None of the young starting pitchers have exhibited that this year except for an isolated game here or there.
I’ve never been a big supporter of Stephenson, but I’d just as soon give him another shot than run Romano out there again.
By the way, bush league move to claim that Winker’s home run didn’t hit the Toyota sign. That’s the kind of deal where you have to err on the side of generosity.
Jim it looks like the Reds as an organization are in a rut, someone once told me a rut is a grave with both ends kicked ouy.
Go out and get another center Jackets
Lol Nash is so past his prime. As a Ranger fan he had nothing left that would describe him as “Sniper”.
People would have said the same about Vanek this time last year and in fact at the time CBJ got him; but, likely CBJ don’t make the playoffs without what he did in the last 6 weeks.
Every blind squirrel finds a nut once in awhile. Sign both of them and good luck.
Just bought a new home so I’ve been completely out of the loop. No TV for a week is beyond brutal but thank gawd for cell phones. However, every time I look, the Reds lose so I really haven’t missed anything. When you’re 21 games until .500 before the middle of June, it pretty much tells you everything one needs to know.
I’m so sick of hearing about “stuff” and “kids”. That means nothing. The only thing that counts are OUTS. Either you can get them or you can’t. This crop can’t. They should not be wearing a major league uniform.
The Reds starting pitching, going on four years, are major failures. And the Reds organization is fully to blame.
Milton padding his appearance totals, ASG looking more likely for the veteran.
Cards vs Reds = Men vs Boys. No comparison.
An organization that keeps rolling along and a organization that keeps having one flat after another.
A frustrating part of the Reds situation right now is the organization and some of the fans.
The Reds cannot get rid of this player, that player, or that player. This player is so good at X and it will just click at some point and all come together. The current collection of players has produced a 21 game under .500 record in early June. This is coming off 3 straight 90 loss seasons. There is little to zero help in the minors.
Continuing to play the same players and expect a different result is not an answer. There needs to be a complete purge of the roster.
Remember in the offseason when the plan for starting pitching was that DeSclafani, Finnegan, and Bailey were going to be the guaranteed starting 3. Those were good times. Hoping for the best is not a plan.
I agree with some of your logic but I will say that every team does a certain amount of wishing and hoping. You are reasonable in saying that the Reds organization (and many fans) do it too much. Also, “zero to little help in the minors”? I think it is more than that. We have the eighth ranked system per mlb. com: https://www.mlb.com/news/top-10-farm-systems-ranking-by-mlb-pipeline/c-267360666
I think the Reds have decent talent in the minors, yet, the Reds have decided to slowly promote levels. The Yankees are winning games with Andujar, Torres, Judge, Bird, etc. Braves have brought up all their young players who are well under the age of the Reds prospects. Yet, the Reds and their fans keep talking about how Duvall, Hamilton, Peraza, Gennett, Schebler, etc. need to keep playing. It is a broken team that does not fit together.
Do the Reds have the talent to replace players that have produced 3 straight 90 loss seasons and are currently 21 games under .500 or not? What exactly is the plan and what is going on? The current state is not working and to continue on the same path makes no sense.
Growing high quality starters from scratch is very painful.
The Reds have had some bad luck. Disco was a great acquisition and shouldÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ve be a two time ASG alternate by now. Homers bad luck too.
All teams have pitching injury bad luck, but when your vets get hurt when youÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re trying to grow starters from scratch instead of sign established free agents, all of it just detonating at the same time Ã¢â‚¬â€- ugly.
This is a trying time for the Reds. LetÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s see if their leadership can steady the ship.
I guess you can believe what you want, but I still wouldn’t play Billy until he learns to choke up on the bat, take shorter swings and bunt. No matter how fast a guy is, you can’t play someone as bad at the plate as Billy. The bottom of the order has been a rally killer for Reds
This organization is a dumpster fire.
Agreed. We’re becoming too tolerant of mediocrity because it’s a welcome change from horrendous. Not that the Reds have ever had someone like this, but I’m looking for someone to be so dominant in the minors that there is no question they belong in the bigs, someone like Dwight Gooden was. The National League AVERAGE for team ERA is 3.99. The Reds don’t have ONE starter at or below that number. They are miles away from being just AVERAGE. I’ll start getting excited about a pitcher when he has success like Castillo did last year. I sure wish he had continued it this year. I sure hope Danny Darwin wasn’t giving him high-fives for the 10 strikeouts yesterday while he was giving up five runs. If you give up five runs, I don’t care if you throw 110 mph. That’s not acceptable.
Reds fans do not demand accountability. They see average players and want to keep them because they like them. It will just click for each player and everything will be great, just wait.
The starting pitching is a huge problem with little help on the way. Free agent acquisitions will be needed.