The Reds have made a habit of picking pitchers up off the scrap heap and later flipping them for promising young players who have shaped today’s roster. In 2014, they turned Alfredo Simon, a former waiver-wire addition, into eventual third baseman of the future Eugenio Suarez. In 2017, they dealt another waiver claim, Dan Straily, for Luis Castillo and Austin Brice.

They’re hoping former Mets ace Matt Harvey, acquired in exchange for Devin Mesoraco one week ago, will be the latest pitcher whose value they can rebuild. Harvey has the name recognition and track record of success that even a few steps in the right direction might send teams calling in July. Pitching coach Danny Darwin will have his work cut out for him if that’s going to happen, however.

In reality, Harvey is nothing more than a reclamation project at this point in his career. Although he’s only 29 years old and was once among the most dominant pitchers in the game, the last two-and-a-half seasons have not been kind to the right-hander. Injuries, off-field debauchery, clubhouse question marks, and — the most important thing at the end of the day — poor performance have riddled Harvey since 2016.

While there’s no reason to believe Harvey will ever return to his former prominence, the Reds are hoping to turn him into July trade bait at the very least. His first start with the club, while brief, was solid. In Los Angeles on Friday, he threw four nearly perfect innings, with the only hit being a flyball that was lost by Scott Schebler in the bright lights of Dodger Stadium. If nothing else, the outing provided a little glimmer of hope for Harvey’s future in Red. But is it warranted?

Let’s start with the bad news first.

Matt Harvey’s Fall From Grace

A 2010 first-round draft pick out of North Carolina, Harvey quickly became a star. By 2012, he was in the majors. By 2013, he became the youngest pitcher to start an All-Star Game since Dwight Gooden in 1988 and finished fourth in NL Cy Young voting (and he likely would’ve won the award if he’d pitched a full season). Even Tommy John surgery didn’t slow him down, as he posted a 4.4 fWAR when he returned in 2015. Through his first three-and-a-half seasons, Harvey held a 2.53 ERA, 26.6 K%, and 5.6 BB% — numbers that held up with the best of the best.

Harvey’s calling card was velocity. He topped 100 on the radar gun on several occasions and averaged 96 mph on the heater in 2013 and 2015. The year in between was when he had Tommy John surgery and didn’t pitch at all, so the fact that he came back and was just as effective shows you how far the procedure has come. But not all recoveries from surgeries are so smooth. In 2016, at age 27, Harvey’s reign as a dominant pitcher came to a sudden and screeching halt.

The troubling signs came early in the season, as his heater suddenly had a little less sizzle. There was hope he could pitch through it, as his fastball velocity had dipped a bit toward the end of the 2015 season and he still threw effectively. Despite continuing to sit in the mid-90s, however, Harvey’s effectiveness disappeared. He posted a 4.86 ERA in 17 starts and saw his strikeout rate plummet from 24.9% to 18.9% in 92 2/3 innings before being shut down for the year with right shoulder problems. Harvey later had surgery for thoracic outlet syndrome, a nerve condition that is much harder for pitchers to return from than a torn UCL.

Former Astros pitcher J.R. Richard is the most famous example of the severity of thoracic outlet syndrome. After pitching with the condition for an extended time, his arm eventually went “dead.” He would later have a major stroke brought on by the condition and never pitched again, his career over at age 30. Even with the medical developments over the last three decades since Richard’s playing days ended, recovery is no sure bet.

Josh Beckett, Chris Carpenter, and Shaun Marcum are just three pitchers who’ve seen their careers derailed by the problem in recent years. But they were all in their mid-to-late 30s at the time they had the surgery, so Harvey’s youth perhaps gave more reason for optimism. Pitchers like Tyson Ross, who had the procedure at 29, and Jaime Garcia (27) bounced back and have been productive pitchers again. Matt Harrison also had the operation at age 23 and returned to effectiveness in 2011 and ’12.

So far, though, Harvey has looked nothing like his former self on the mound. Last year, he missed more time with a stress fracture in his scapula and posted a 6.70 ERA, 6.37 FIP, and 5.39 xFIP in 92 2/3 innings. His fastball velocity dropped further, averaging 93.8 mph and touching 96 only on occasion. Per FanGraphs, Harvey maintained a career-worst minus-15.6 pitch value on his fastball. Of 149 pitchers to throw at least 90 innings, only 11 had a worse fastball than that.

His strikeout rate (15.6%) continued to spiral downward, too, while his walk (10.9%), hard contact (32.3%), and home run (2.04 per nine innings) rates soared. As the numbers would tell you, his secondary pitchers offered little solace for the fastball’s diminishing returns. His slider was affected the most, dropping from an 18.4% whiff rate in 2016 to 11.9% in 2017. His changeup had been on a steady decline since returning from Tommy John and came in at a 12.8% whiff rate. The curveball actually went up from 2016 (11.8%) to ’17 (12.9), but that still paled in comparison to its 16.4% clip in 2015.

Those numbers are even worse in 2018.

After Harvey’s fastball showed signs of returning to its former glory in spring training, its velocity has dropped another full mile per hour, sitting at 92.8 mph. All four of his former plus pitches are unrecognizable compared to Harvey’s peak. Not only is he failing to generate whiffs, but he’s also not getting batters to chase, an indicator that his pitches aren’t fooling the opposition at all. The league average O-Swing% (percentage of pitches swung at outside the strike zone) for pitchers is 29.8%. Harvey has a worse rate than that on all of his offerings. He’s also largely scrapped the curveball this year, throwing it only 17 times despite it being his best swing-and-miss offering in 2017.

As a result, he’s been hit even harder in 2018. His average exit velocity allowed is 89.3 mph, which is far from the worst in baseball but is also the lowest mark for Harvey in the Statcast era (since 2015). That problem is exacerbated by his lowest groundball rate (39.6%) since his rookie year in 2012, as Harvey has allowed six dingers in 31 innings after allowing 21 in 92 frames last year. In Great American Ball Park, luck probably won’t be on his side as much as it was in Dodger Stadium on Friday.

Clearly, the overall picture is not an appealing one. The deeper you dive into some of the numbers, the worse it gets. But there are at least some encouraging signs — even if it might take some squinting to see.

Searching for a Silver Lining

Obi-Wan Kenobi isn’t walking through that door, but all hope is not lost for Harvey. Some pitchers have needed over a year to fully recover from thoracic outlet syndrome and regain any semblance of their former self. The aforementioned Tyson Ross is a perfect example of this. The former San Diego Padres all-star had the procedure following the 2016 season. Ross returned to a big-league mound with the Texas Rangers last June and posted numbers worse than Harvey’s over the last two-and-a-half years.

His big-league career seemingly on life support, Ross re-signed with the Padres on a minor-league deal during the past offseason and made their rotation out of spring training. Ross has proceeded to be their best starter again, just as he was in 2014 and ’15. Although Ross’ velocity hasn’t returned to his pre-surgery levels, his feel for his wicked slider has, fueling a 26.7 K% one year after posting a dismal 15.1 K%. By no means does that indicate Harvey is due for such a rebound, but Ross has shown it’s possible to flourish again after a debilitating surgery.

Similar to Ross, Harvey’s slider has shown signs of improvement in 2018. The results aren’t there in terms of missing bats, but hitters are having far less success against it than they did a year ago, slugging just .179 versus .418 in 2017. That’s largely because the pitch is still generating a high groundball rate at 55.0% and a drop in average exit velocity from 86.0 mph to 85.2 mph.

Better control is fueling Harvey’s success with the pitch. Unlike last year, he’s not missing up in the zone as much (four of his 21 homers allowed came on the slider, second most of any pitch behind the fastball), and he’s not missing so far off the plate that it’s an easy take for hitters. Here’s a look at the slider location in 2017 (left) vs. 2018 so far (right):

Harvey’s control in general is also better. His walk rate has fallen from a terrible 10.9% to a much more manageable number at 6.6%, and he’s throwing his fastball in the zone 58.3% of the time compared to 55.7% last season. That’s not all good, as the pitch is getting blasted by 5 mph more. While the control is better, Harvey still has work to do on his command and keeping the ball out of the middle of the plate.

Fortunately, his fastball velocity has increased over his last two outings, which may help him get by with some of the mistake pitches if (and that’s a big if) that trend continues. In his first game with the Reds, he averaged a season-best 94.6 mph and hit a maximum of 96.9, his fastest pitch since June 2, 2017.

There’s obviously a lot more bad than good with Harvey over the last two years; the Mets wouldn’t have given up on their former ace otherwise. But if the Reds aren’t going to give Amir Garrett a shot in the starting rotation — which seems like a fading possibility with each passing day — there’s not much harm in seeing if Harvey can build himself back into a decent trade chip by the time July rolls around, or at least until Anthony DeSclafani returns.

17 Responses

  1. Bill

    Harvey has two things going against him. The first is the reputation he has gotten from his extra curricular activities and seemingly poor attitude. This he can overcome and is potentially aided by getting out of New York and going to Cincinnati after the embarrassment of being DFA’d. The second is the track record of pitchers with thoracic outlet syndrome. It is something that was blamed for ruining Chris Carpenter’s career, which he probably still blames on Rolen for attacking him. I don’t think he ever figured out how to explain that to his son.

    • Aaron Bradley

      I never heard about Rolen attacking Carpenter, what is the story on that?

      • Bill

        He never attacked him, but those were his comments. It was the BP/Molina fight where Cueto kicked Larue in the head.

        “Dusty had something to say, I had something to say, and the next thing you know all hell broke loose,” Carpenter said “I come home and try to explain to my son why is Scott Rolen attacking me? Why is everybody pushing you into the net?””

      • greenmtred

        My recollection, for the little it is worth, is that Carpenter was menacing Dusty and Rolen got in front of him, causing Carpenter to (wisely) back down.

  2. Indy Red Man

    Harvey had good stuff vs LA although they were just extremely flat. Lets see how he looks tomorrow night. GABP will be a big test too….how will he react to a cheapie oppo hr?
    Yankee Stadium is another bandbox….just ridiculously small. They want to jazz up baseball a little bit? Install trampolines on the warning track then Billy will really make some catches:)

    • greenmtred

      Billy don’t need no stinkin’ trampolines.

    • daytonnati

      Agree. There were a couple of shots in Dodger Stadium that would have been out of GABP. So, an almost perfect performance in LA turns into homer run derby in Cincinnati.

  3. Mason Red

    So the whole deal for Harvey was just in hopes he could be traded for more prospects instead of thinking maybe he could actually turn his career around and help this team? Yeah that’s the kind of thinking I want in a franchise supposedly trying to win.

    • Matt Wilkes

      His contract is up at the end of this year and they have other pitchers who could step into the rotation down the road. Why wouldn’t they try to trade him if he pitches well?

    • Keith

      I love this kind of thinking. Let’s capitalize on a short-term opportunity and possibly turn it into a long-term gain at relatively low cost and no risk to the team.

    • Indy Red Man

      They did get Castillo that way! If he has some measured success and likes the Reds then maybe they could work something out? Its really a no-risk proposition the way I see it.

    • greenmtred

      That’s our thinking. We’re frequently wrong.

  4. WVRedlegs

    Harvey looked pretty good last week vs. LA. His fastball seemed deceptively fast. It looked on TV as though he was throwing as hard as Castillo, but 93 and 94 and a couple of 95’s kept popping up on the TV screen radar. He also had some movement with it at times.
    It will be interesting to see him pitch each time out and see how it plays out for him. I like having Harvey and Homer back to back in the rotation. I just hope it helps get Homer more focused on his performance. He can’t continue on leading MLB pitchers in giving up HR’s.
    If Bailey can get his act together, this rotation might finally get to where it needs to be when DeSclafani returns soon in 2-3 weeks.
    Harvey/Bailey/Castillo/DeSclafani/Mahle might have some promise with a pretty decent bullpen to follow up. Just need a couple of offensive upgrades.

    • Indy Red Man

      Only one issue. They have atleast 2-3 guys with more talent and a higher ceiling then Bailey. That’s what I predicted in March and its finally coming true. Will the Reds pull the plug or just let him stink like the Giants did w/Matt Cain? I wonder if SF had anyone else at the time?

      • WVRedlegs

        That is a good question. I think Bailey has a long rope. I don’t think the Reds have a #6, #7, or a #8 starter at AAA that deserves to start over Bailey at this point. That probably doesn’t change when DeSclafani is activated. But that could change by the all-star break. I think the Reds will be doing a lot of re-evaluation over the all-star break. A lot. August and September have to be about setting the tone for 2019, not more sorting.
        No doubt though, Bailey needs to get his act together.

      • Reaganspad

        When DeSclafani is activated, it will be time to send Mahle to AAA for a few weeks to gain the extra year. He is building his innings and another suggested that he might be able to skip a start there to manage his workload.

        That all makes sense to me. Then, as Harvey is traded, Mahle finishes the year in the bigs for the duration (and the playoffs) and never sees AAA again.

  5. JB WV

    Nice analysis, Matt. It’s a crap shoot. I’d probably hit the bottle a little harder after those injuries too, so that’s no big deal. Harvey has about 10 weeks to show that he’s possibly on track to regain his former dominance for some team to take a chance on him. Chances are he won’t resign with the Reds at the end of the year, so the FO has to work this one at the AS break. It’s a small window.