|St. Louis Cardinals (53-56)||2||9||0|
|Cincinnati Reds (45-64)||3||9||0|
|W:Ã‚Â Wojciechowski (2-1) L: Leake (7-10) S: Iglesias (19)|
|FanGraphs Win Probability | Box Score|
–Strong five-inning outing for Asher Wojciechowski in his sixth start for the Redlegs: one run allowed on three hits and one walk, with five strikeouts. I can’t ask for anything more than that from Wojo.
–Cincinnati’s top three hitters — Billy Hamilton (run scored, RBI), Jesse Winker (run scored), Joey Votto — each had two hits. Votto had a double and drove in two of the Reds’ three runs.
–The Reds got on the board quickly. Winker collected a one-out single to center field. Joey Votto followed with a double to right field. Winker scored from first, but he ran through third base coach Billy Hatcher’s stop sign, sliding headfirst into home. See the video below.
–Drew Storen pitched a scoreless inning and a third. You know, Storen has quietly been pretty solid this season. I’m surprised there wasn’t more interest in him at the July trade deadline.
–In the top of the third, Wojciechowski surrendered a leadoff triple to Cards 3B Greg Garcia. The next hitter, our old friend Mike Leake, hit a routine grounder to Jose Peraza at shortstop. Peraza clutched once, looked at Garcia, clutched again, and tossed over to Votto at first. Because he took so much time, Leake was safe at first (Garcia scored).
It wasn’t scored an error, but it was absolutely an error. Peraza’s shaky defense at shortstop continues.
Fortunately, Leake was erased one batter later, when Matt Carpenter flew to deep center field. Leake tagged up and took off for second…but Billy Hamilton gunned him down.
–Michael Lorenzen allowed a run on 3 hits and a walk in 1.1 innings. He got a clutch strikeout to end the eighth inning, with bases loaded and just a one-run lead. You know, Lorenzen has quietly been pretty shaky this season.
–That’s four wins in five games for your resurgent Redlegs. Always a fun night when the good guys beat the Cardinals, and that’s happened a lot this season. Cincinnati is now 8-3 against St. Louis this year, and 5-0 at home.
–It was a pretty electric atmosphere at Great American Ball Park tonight, a beautiful Friday night with a Flo Rida concert scheduled after the game. Thom Brennaman was pretty excited about it.
"Fireworks and Flo-Rida on this Friday night!!!"
— Chad Dotson (@dotsonc) August 5, 2017
–In the bottom of the fifth, Billy Hamilton singled to right to score Peraza, who had singled himself to lead off the inning. Tucker Barnhart was waved home by Hatcher and was called out by home plate umpire Brian Knight. The Reds challenged, and every replay available showed that Barnhart was clearly safe.
The umpires, of course, did not overturn the call after review. Who knows what they were looking at?
On the television broadcast, Jeff Brantley suggested that perhaps the Reds had only asked for the collision rule to be reviewed, not the safe/out call. But C. Trent Rosecrans says that both were challenged. So the umps just screwed it up, costing the Reds a run.
–Interviewed on the post-game show, Billy Hamilton revealed some important information: he calls Adam Duvall, “Doovie.”
–Luis Castillo will take the hill for the Reds tomorrow as they attempt to clinch this series, along with their fifth win in six games.
Joey Votto ropes one down the right field line and Jesse Winker hustles home to put the @Reds up 1-0 in the first. pic.twitter.com/KcwxxuF2qv
— FOX Sports Ohio (@FOXSportsOH) August 4, 2017
Mike Leake is easily having the best year of all the Reds' 2012 starters.
— Jason Linden (@JasonLinden) August 5, 2017
thing that's so impressive about Winker is he knows who he is as a hitter and never seems to try to do too much
— C. Trent Rosecrans (@ctrent) August 5, 2017
Including his 2 hits tonight through 5th, in his 9g hiting streak Votto has reached base 24 times (14-29, .483, 2 2b, 1hr, 5rbi, 8bb, 2hbp).
— Reds Media Relations (@RedsPR) August 5, 2017
Watching the game on TV, Asher looked pretty good. His control was a little off here and there, but other times he made some pretty good pitches. I guess he gets another turn next week.
Winker playing like the wants a job up here.Kid just looks like a major league hitter and the knock on him was his power and his defense.While it is a very small sample size looks like both of them play so far and he will hit and get on base as he has always done.
I like Winker. Has a little swagger for rookie.
I wonder what the reds record is in games they get a quality start
If Disco and Finnegan are healthy next year watch out! This team has a solid lineup, good defense and a good bullpen. Only weakness and it’s a big one is the rotation. But Disco, Finnegan, Castillo, Homer and Mahle/Lorenzen is a good rotation.
Well suarez def looked bad at third before being given full time reps. I brought this up after the upteen article redleg did about lorenzen starting. Very little about lorenzen has been clean or stellar in a relief role. He has been given a total pass because ppl think he should start so it’s apparently easy to ignore his actual results and ppl just now seem to be noticing how mediocre he has been as a reliever. With his stuff, he really should dominate a relief role, which I think most reds fans allotted him, but he is def only been mediocre. Meaning he is far far away from being a starter no matter how many articles we write. Give me peraza at short before lorenzen as a starter. Outside of one month, lorenzen has been actually kind of bad, not mediocre, just bad.
Absolutely I would try him as a starter. It doesn’t mean he is just handed the job. Price had an interesting comment about Romano after his last start and the use of his change-up. Essentially said if he doesn’t start using his change up effectively he will be a bullpen pitcher not a starter. We at least know Lorenzen has multiple pitches. He still has to execute with them if he’s going to start at least if Price’s comments can be extrapolated to the other pitchers.
I’ve been an outspoken believer in Lorenzen. It’s more than those three things. For instance, the quality of his pitches has improved substantially in a short time of full-time pitching.
Anyway, he was having a good season before the debacle in Washington. Since that time, he has essentially been Blake Wood, which is obviously bad.
I don’t know why he fiddled with his mechanics so much. He showed amazing command last season and early this year. When he had that command, he was dominant and looked like a good starter. But that command isn’t there right now, and unless he recaptures that, he is a tick above average reliever.
I think he will, if only because he showed that command for a long time before the mechanical change that Chris Welsh has been talking about. But, for the last two weeks or so, he’s been bad.
I feel like Chris Welsh nailed the mechanical issues with Lorenzen. Ever since then, I watch him pitch differently. I think he’s right.
We have seen Lorenzen start though. He’s started as many games as Robert Stephenson and Cody Reed combined.
That said, I agree. All these guys need extended opportunities to see if they can take the next step, although I wouldn’t give Cody Reed another one until he figures things out at AAA.
Questions about pitching….
1) Is Mike Leake (5 years/$80 million), worth ihis contract?
2) Will/should Reds spends this kind of money on a similar pitching whenever they start to contend?
Vic,to me the answers are no and no but his salary is I am sure right on par with every other pitcher like him.Dan Straily last year and even Scott Feldman this year come to mind as similar pitchers.Guys that keep you in the game and give you 5 or 6 innings but will get hammered every once in awhile.Obviously Leake has been a little better then that this year.
So my motivation is …are the Reds going to chase after guys like Mike Leake when they get good,/ are they going to pay Luis Catillo or whomever steps up, if they were willing to pay Bailey 100 million based on 2 decent seasons what can they be expected to do when it comes time to start being a winner
I’ve said all year, the offense, “D” and bullpen are good enough to compete. The SP, or lackthereof due to injuries and inexperience, has killed us. I’d still rather see a more creative Manager too. I call Price Captain Vanilla. He’s so bunt happy it drives me nuts.
Billy is electric on base but he just doesn’t walk enough or hit the ball hard enough to get there much.It will be interesting to see if the Reds pony up 6 million or more to see him do what he does again in year 5.Some have said they felt the Reds were afraid he finally gets it but with some other team so they are giving him every chance possible to get it here.I really understand that and hope he does get it here but if he loses a step for whatever reason well we know what that means.I am rooting for him in a big way.
Lorenzen just needs to be given a chance to start.Only way to find out is just like all the rest let him pitch.He has electric stuff.Looks to be like he is just bored out there and well he knows its for an inning or two regardless.Starting may fix everything.I just can’t personally see him as a reliever and as long as Iggy is here well he is just a set-up guy that could give you a couple of innings.Very valuable of course but his real value to this team and to his career is as a starter.Bull pen guys ride a roller coaster all the time with the exception of the elite closers they are replaceable.He needs to start or prove he can’t.
Lorenzen wasn’t all that bad last night. He gave up a choppy grounder to Gennett, who had no play on a very fast runner (Pham), a grounder that was scored a single but was bungled by Peraza and should have been one out, and an opposite-field ground-ball single to right field. Other than that, he fanned two, gave up a fly ball out, a ground ball out, and walked a guy.
He tends to get up 0-2 a lot (4 times in 8 hitters last night) and then go deep into counts trying to put guys away. He reminds me a bit of Homer Bailey in that regard about 4 years ago, who also would get up 0-2 then end up throwing 7-8 pitches to a guy.
Between the seeing-eye hits and the indecision in how to finish a guy off, Lorenzen ran his pitch count higher than he needed to.
Lorenzen does need to ditch the “re-coil.” He should watch some Roger Clemens video about driving straight to the plate.
I just posted something similar. Homer Bailey would drive me nuts with the same issue on 0-2 counts. I think they are tempted to try to strike the hitters out, hoping to get them to chase a pitcher’s pitch. That is fine strategy if you have great command like Kershaw or Verlander, but Homer and Lorenzen don’t throw an enticing enough pitch, so the hitter doesn’t bite.
The next thing you know, it’s a 2-2 count, and the situation gets dodgy. Once Lorenzen gets better command, which can only come with time, then that problem may go away, like Homer at his best.
I have my doubts about Lorenzen too…but he does seem to get the bad end of some ground balls. I didn’t see the game last night, but it sounds like the first two hits against him were infield hits.
Two weakly hit ground balls and the second one should have been an error on Peraza. He did have to go to his right, but he fielded it and bobbled what would have been an easy out at second.
I believe Winker will be a good player for the Reds but the organization has handled the situation pretty well. The Reds have opened up a lot of opportunities for themselves in the offseason by handling it the way they did. Duvall has proved he is more than a one season flash-in-the-pan, and Schebler has proven he belongs (it’s hard to tell if the struggles he’s had in the second half are injury-related). Trying to force Winker into a 4 player timeshare would have hurt everyone involved.
Winker looks like and is a professional hitter.Not afraid at all to take strikes because he feels he can battle back in the count.Not sure if you can teach that but we need more high on base guys and those guys take walks.Of course it helps if you can hit because if you can’t well you know.
Working the count and getting your pitch makes hitting a baseball one of the toughest things in sports. Whacking away at anything that looks close is much easier.
The Reds waited until he was ready and it’s taken until now. We can argue that he should have been up a month ago or whatever, but frankly it hardly matters. DeShields had some interesting comments about Winker and how much he has matured this year to get to where he is at this point.
I’d rather have a guy pay his dues in the minors than be handed an MLB job before he’s ready. Remember, when a guy gets called up, he’s taking someone else’s job. That guy has friends on the team who are all going to judge whether or not it was “fair” and react accordingly. The situation with Schebler worked out perfectly in this regard. Winker’s excellent start has helped as well. Clubhouse should be happy.
I respect you and your opinion CP but a 4 player timeshare like Cossack came up with is exactly what was needed.If I remember it said all 4 could play 75% of the time which would be 120 games a year which in the case of Billy and Duvall would give them much needed rest.Keeps everybody fresh and motivated.I maybe wrong on the numbers but he posted it a few weeks back and got lots of good comments it.Just my opinion but Winker needs to play.
162 X 3, divided by 4 is 121.5. At this point sitting Winker would be a shame although right now that’s not a concern with Schebler out for a few weeks.
Agree totally, should they have had him ride the bench like Perza last season? There are service time and development issues to consider, Schebler was having a great season prior to ASB, only argument maybe put all 4 in OF rotation a month or so earlier but then there is Super 2 issues (which I do not quite understand so it may not be a good argument)