Homer Bailey threw 31 pitches the 1st inning and 30 pitches in the 2nd inning before he was lifted. The 31-year-old Bailey pitched about the way you’d expect a guy coming off the DL and surgery, his first game of major league action against a group of guys playing in their 74th game of the year.

His fastball velocity was 93-95 mph, which was where he’s been in his rehab starts. Bailey did strike out Bryce Harper twice. But overall, the Nationals lineup was murderous. Bailey contributed to his plight with three walks. Things will be better for Bailey when he isn’t subjected to a BABIP of .600. The main thing is that Bailey feels normal the next few days.

Considering what the Nationals are doing to all the Reds pitchers today, it makes Luis Castillo’s start yesterday look better.

Cincinnati Reds 3 • Washington Nationals 18 || Box || Play Log || Statcast

News: Bryan Price announced before the game that Brandon Finnegan will start Monday in the make-up game in St. Louis. That makes the current starting rotation: Homer Bailey, Scott Feldman, Brandon Finnegan, Luis Castillo and Tim Adleman.

Milton was unhappy with Cincinnati’s performance today.

38 Responses

  1. Skyline

    Bailey has never been a great pitcher. He will be better than today, but never better than a #3. Being a first round pick and managing a no hitter don’t make a career.

    • Michael E

      Yep, when they gave him the contract, he was knocking on SP1/Ace door. His ERA was down near 3.00 and likely would have been sub 3 for the last two seasons had he been healthy. That would make him SP1- material for sure, or at least SP2+. Add in his ability to be lights out every few starts, including two no-hitters, and yeah, he was trending in a good way.

      Unfortunately, for the Reds, for Homer and for all of us fans, the contract and subsequent health roller coaster ride has been quite trying and maddening. It was just bad timing and bad luck for all. Homer surely didn’t want this, the Reds didn’t and we didn’t. Had they NOT signed him, and he remained healthy and an SP1 elsewhere, there would be precious few posters here (some of them most anti-Bailey-contract now) that would be thumping the Reds management for NOT extending Bailey when they had the chance.

    • Dewey Roberts

      I am not sure Bailey will ever be much anymore. Pitchers with arm injuries lose their control before they lose their velocity. It doesn’t matter to me that Homer is able to jack it up to 93-95 mph. He can hardly get anyone out and is being shelled like a washed up batting practice pitcher.

  2. Jeff

    So I happen to be flying from Chicago Midway to Norfolk today, look out the window and what do I see? I see a meandering river, a ball park right on the river, and a football stadium nearby. I see a smaller river flowing into the bigger river right across from the ballpark. A distinctive pattern it seems, perhaps I can identify said city. I think, “Could
    this be the Queen City, the home of my beloved Reds? Could it be an omen? Perhaps it’s a sign that Homer Bailey will burst on the scene, pitching a perfect game while staying well within his pitch limit! Like in 61 pitches or something. That would be so awesome!”

  3. Geoff

    Let’s face it other than maybe Castillo every starting pitcher on this team is a complete bust. None of them have improved. This team is years from contending

    • Still a Red

      It seems like something is systematically wrong to have so many pitchers on the roster that can’t throw strikes consistently and at historic levels.

    • Michael E

      Also in fairness, the Reds new operations plan seems to be ploughing funds into developement tools, such as better nutrition, better coaching and better physical training. I don’t know if that will help pitching or not, but there are major changes the past full year and it will take a few seasons to see if suddenly the Reds are taking good pitchers in drafts and FA signings and having a significant percentage reach their potential. The past 40+ years it certainly has been the opposite. Other than a rare Browning or Soto flash for a few seasons, the Reds home grown pitching has been some of the worst in baseball in my lifetime.

      At least there has been some real soul-searching and changing of how funds are allocated and more importance on the minor league system.

  4. Jeff

    It’s the Licking River, by the way. As in “Takes a Licking.” Maybe it was an omen after all.

  5. 666wolverine

    Well with this rotation run total over bets in Vegas are almost locks at this point!!

  6. Chuck Schick

    I ain’t seeing no way you getting your $200 refund.

  7. [email protected]

    Does it really matter who starts anymore? I know, give Homer time but this a disaster. Why is Blake Wood still on the team?

  8. davy13

    A sliver of a silver lining in the midst of today’s massacre: Ariel Hernandez. Another nice outing from him. It is time to start seeing the young players’ stuff with greater regularity: Winker, Castillo, Hernandez, Romano, etc. I want to see a smart rebuild from the Reds FO. A stew of young talent with a dash of strong veteran presence and productivity (like Votto, Mesoraco, DiScalfani, Bailey (maybe), etc.). It’s time to start looking ahead toward 2018 and be judicious sellers in 2017.

    • Still a Red

      Not really…we’ve been burned way too many times now by a few good outings by our rookies just to see them crumble with time…perhaps as opponents get a bead on them. Actually, Bailey threw some pretty good change-ups and curve-balls…to no avail at the end of the day (or I should say at the end of an inning and a third).

      • davy13

        Point well taken and agree overall with your thoughts. But read again my first sentence: a “sliver of a silver lining.” So I did not mean to convey that he had an great outing. Admittedly, that the positive was judged on a relative scale. Yet, Ariel has shown something that we, as REDS fans (I actually live in Miami), would like to dream that it can become realized as a contributing cog in a future contending team. If we can’t let ourselves dream a little with some of these prospects, then being a REDS fan will be thoroughly miserable. I have followed this team, and baseball overall, for far too long (since the mid 70’s) to put too much stock on a couple rookie outings and conclude that a star is born for sure. I want to enjoy something…

      • Still a Red

        I hear you…didn’t mean to sound like a downer…I’ve followed Reds since the 60s, live now in DC, and with MLB.Tv can watch Reds regularly. I’m not jaded by the last three years…just trying to tend to my emotional well-being.

  9. Jason Linden

    Senzel has been a pro for exactly one full season and just got promoted to AA. Maybe chill on him a bit.

    The notion that Suarez or Cozart are or have ever been replacement level is laughable. Duvall and Schebler have both proven themselves. The Reds have been one of the best offensive teams in the league.

  10. Jason Linden

    I don’t think “about how you’d expect” is accurate. I didn’t expect a no-hitter today, but maybe 4 runs over 6 innings or something in that neighborhood.

  11. Alex

    “this pitching staff is uncalled for.”

    Rec’d a thousand times

  12. Scotly50

    Whew, that was ugly, and i didn’t even watch the game past 8-0. Bailey just was not ready for big time baseball yet.

    Offensively, contrary to the stats, this does not look like a good offensive team, especially without an on-fire Cozart. But Gennett is filling in adequately, so who knows, but Hamilton, for sure, needs some time on the bench. But sending Winker back down likely answered that question.

    It does not feel like we are closing in on the end of the rebuild. Oh well, it has been 27 years since we were in the World Series so what is 5, or so, more years

  13. brunsfam

    While the losing streak & starting pitching are tough to watch, remember that 2017 is the “sorting out” year. And the sorting can be brutal. But after a Cardinal sweep two weeks ago, we were all aboard with a firm rebuild plan that just needed some starting pitching. Now we’re like rats on a sinking ship – every man and his opinion for himself! “Bench this guy!” “Demote that guy!” “Trade that guy.”
    Every single team has a stretch where they can’t seem to coordinate pitching & offense. We’ll get hot and hopefully make a run at 80 wins – but to expect anything more is just not realistic at this time given our team youth & pitching uncertainty. And the Dodgers & Nationals are playing some of the best ball on the planet right now – what can you do when they happen to be the opponent the past 2 weeks?
    You stay positive, you hope the young guys learn from this, hate this feeling and want to get better. You don’t fold the tent because you had a rough couple weeks.

  14. Sliotar

    Old School’s comment about the sky not falling in 2019 is well put.

    At the end of this season, I expect Dick Williams to say something like, “because of injuries, the season of sorting will really be in 2018.” Or, “we solidified the offense in 2017, solidifying the pitching will be the focus next season.”

    A “the plan is working, and we are on course” type of re-assurance to offset the public angst of the 90+ losses.

    Plenty to still watch and enjoy right now. It just takes the Rosiest Reds-colored glasses to envision this team breaking Spring Traning in 9 months and competing on the same level with the Dodgers, Nationals, Cubs, etc.

  15. Indy Red Man

    Pros: Castillo has a chance to be the real deal and Tyler Mahle actually outpitched him all season at AA and he’s now at Lville. Scooter & Kivlehan look like they can provide some real pop off the bench for several years! Finnegan will be back and he’s had a 2.50 since August last year. The bullpen is a strength…just going thru a rough patch along with everyone else.

    Cons: We have to go to work tomorrow so I can’t list everything but Suarez is hitting .237 since April. Thats almost 2 months worth of numbers. Price should wake up and make a few changes. Suarez is drawing walks so why not bat him 2nd in front of Joey?

    • da bear

      Totally agree. Suarez may benefit the most from batting in front of JV, put Cozart cleanup, and Schebler leading off. Mez fifth, Duvall sixth, Peraza seventh & BH eighth or ninth.

  16. Streamer88

    I share none of the pessimism after yesterday’s game. Homer FB velocity is up, he didn’t leave hurt, and Finnegan is back too. When you’re young and unproven, you can go 1-13 and a month later go 11-2 with the same crew.

    We’ll be fine and my guess is 2018 we’ll fight for a wild card spot.

  17. da bear

    Very accurate. With too many boom and bust offensive pieces….Duvall, Schebler, Suarez….and add a couple weak streaking bats like BH & Peraza, losing in bunches happen more often than a lineup with a few higher OBP guys, Winker types. When Cozart returns hopefully Price sits Peraza for Scooter until Peraza understands he has the ability to be so much more effective if he were to stop swinging at inside pitches on his fists and those far outside off the plate. Winker will be wasted within this organization until a less robotic manager and perhaps more progressive upper management take hold.

  18. Scott Carter

    All things “wax and wane” At one time it was thought that pitching was going to rule baseball, now it is offense. Power in Washington politics keeps shifting back and forth, the weather keeps changing. Its been that way since time began. The only constants are that I hate the Cardinals in baseball, the Steelers in football and Duke basketball.

  19. bouwills

    Yesterday was not a day I’ll soon forget. Today we read where Bailey didn’t have command & still not ready to pitch vs players with 74 games under their belt. What are rehab starts for? What’s the prognosis for Finnegan? Does the Reds brass expect he’ll get shelled by the Cards tomorrow? At what point shouldn’t Williams & Price be held accountable for putting starters in untenable positions? Arroyo’s cortisone shots? I just grow weary of these “after the fact” rationalizations as to why our starting pitchers can’t compete

    • bouwills

      I just don’t see the stats to support your position. Most teams expect their starters returning from both the 10 day & 60 day DL to compete.. I don’t remember any culonary references in my post. It’s about accountability. (But to your point, A GM in Redsland has a real “cupcake” job, as opposed to other ML cities, where success is expected).

  20. Jack

    Wow! Abandon ship asap here. Let’s come in off the ledge people and take a breath. Duvall, Suarez and Schebler are replacement players? You all expected to much out of this team. It’s a rebuilding year. Just because everybody sucks in the division doesn’t mean drop the rebuild and trade , trade , trade. You guys need to listen to other announcers for the teams the Reds are playing against. They see an up and coming team with a lot of talent. Is it embarrassing at times? YES but they are close to getting there.

  21. Still a Red

    I was at the game…it looked like to me that Bailey was pissed that Barnhart did not try to run home on the bunt. Problem was it was a little pop-up that might have been easily caught, doubling up Barnhart. It did move Peraza to second, and take away a possible double-play. Problem was Hamilton was up next. Hamilton didn’t hit his two singles up the middle until later (exist velocities, 85 and 97 MPH).

    I’ve mentioned it a couple times…Bailey did throw some impressive changeups and curveballs…something positive to look forward to besides his velocity.

    • Still a Red

      Excuse me…Peraza at third. I concur that it is a must to keep your mind in the game… Also, I agree that Peraza has some learning to do. However,

      1. the onus may be on the third base coach. If Peraza goes down the line with the third baseman and watches the play unfold at the plate, he is unlikely to see where the SS is moving…once he sees it pop up, first instinct is to run back to third. The third base coach is in the best position to know where the SS is.
      2. There does not seem to be anyone on the team that knows how to bunt.
      3. If Bailey was frustrated now…good luck with that…we are all being asked to be patient…maybe he hears his clock ticking.
      4. If Bailey got frustrated with Price and the coaches, that might explain Price’s somewhat terse comments about expecting Bailey (Finnegan and Disco) to be ready to perform after rehab.

  22. bouwills

    I have high regard for your posts but, not so sure it’s ever helpful for a player to take another player to task on the field.That’s what dugouts & locker rooms are for. Besides Peraza didn’t do anything more than at least half the position players on this team do occasionally, & that’s been going on all season. As for Finnegan, I’m not sure he’s ready, but I believe he’ll do a better job of competing tomorrow. I still project Garrett as a regular in the 2nd half rotation. He just needs a few starts in Louisville & the Reds still need that extra year of team control.

  23. Chris Whitmore

    I take exception to complaints about Duvall. He proved himself a quality middle of the order hitter last season and was an All-Star. So far this year his stats are similar . . . he’s headed for 30+ homers and 100 RBI’s. Expect a .260-.270 batting average which is okay. With the problems the Reds have, Duvall is the least of their worries. Put him on the trading block and just watch the stampede of interest. Wouldn’t the Giants love to have him back?