Johnny Cueto made his return to Great American Ball Park, and faced the Reds for the first time since being traded last summer. It had to be an emotional night for Cueto, facing the only team he ever knew before last year.

Things started off good for Johnny. He retired 6 of the first 7 batters he faced. In the 2nd inning, Cueto was able to sneak a single past Votto and Phillips and drive in two runs. Cueto had a 3-0 lead after two innings, and Reds fans were bracing for a long night against their former ace.

Joey Votto would have none of that.


The Reds scored six runs in the 3rd inning, and the big hit came off the bat of Joey Votto. Before that the rally was started by unlikely sources. Hits by Hamilton, Barnhart, and De Jesus set up Votto for his big three-run blast. Billy Hamilton was dancing all over second base during Votto’s big 7-pitch at-bat. It certainly appeared to have an effect on Cueto.

Brandon Finnegan was acquired as one of the pieces for Johnny Cueto last summer. Tonight had to be a big night for him as well, trying to prove himself. Finnegan struggled early, but settled in and pitched a nice game.

But then things got turned over to the bullpen. You probably already know how this story ends.

J.C. Ramirez and Drew Hayes combined to give up five runs in the 7th inning, and just like that the Reds 6-3 lead turned into an 8-6 deficit. Tonight was the 20th consecutive game that the Reds bullpen allowed a run. That tied a major league record.

The Reds offense couldn’t get anything going for the rest of the night, and the Reds lost for the 7th time in their last 8 games. The Reds fall to 10-16 on the season.

Final R H E
Cincinnati Reds (10-16) 6 8 0
San Francisco Giants (14-13) 8 14 0
W: Mazzaro (1-0) L: Ramirez (0-2) S: Casilla (5) 
FanGraphs Win Probability | Box Score | Game Thread


Biggest Play of the Game

According to Fangraphs WPA statistic (winning percentage added), the most important play of the game was Drew Hayes allowing a 3-run home run to Brandon Crawford in the 7th inning, giving the Giants a 8-6 lead. That play decreased the Reds chances of winning by 37.4% (from 56.8% to 19.4%)

Player of the Game

Joey Votto: 1 for 4, 1 HR, 3 RBI


For a guy who has been struggling for most of 2016, it was a big moment for Votto to blast a three run bomb against his former All-Star teammate. Votto battled with Cueto for 7 pitches, and was finally able to drill a 3-2 mistake to dead center.


Brandon Finnegan pitched a solid game. If Joey Votto would have made a play that he really should have in the 2nd inning, the night could have looked even better for Finnegan. His final line on the night: 6.0 IP, 6 H, 3 ER, 3 BB, 4 K.

Billy Hamilton had a big double during the 2nd inning rally, but it was what he did on the bases that might have made the biggest impact. Hamilton was dancing around second base, and it was pretty apparent that it was getting into Cueto’s head. You are probably thinking the same thing I am…..if he can only get on base more.

There is no silver lining in Devin Mesoraco going to the DL, but the closest thing to it is Tucker Barnhart getting more playing time. Barnhart really is a joy to watch. He had another hit tonight and scored a run. He is hitting .304/.373/.391 on the season.

Jay Bruce, Brandon Phillips, and Scott Schebler all also had big hits in the 6-run, 3rd inning.


That Reds bullpen man. They are setting records, and just making baseball downright miserable for fans in the queen city. Yikes, this is really bad.

Joey Votto had a ball go under his glove in the second inning that cost the Reds two runs. It was really a play that our hero should have made.

The Reds got some really bad news today. Devin Mesoraco was placed on the DL because of a torn labrum in his left shoulder. There is no word yet if he will need surgery or not. It really is such a bummer for Mesoraco. He can’t catch a break.

Not so random thoughts…………

Seeing Joey Votto vs Johnny Cueto was just surreal. The best Reds hitter vs the best Reds pitcher in my lifetime. Well, you could argue Jose Rijo was better, but I was to young to blog about the Reds then…..

Ok, so some clowns were chanting “CUUUUUUUETOOOOO, CUUUUUUETOOOOO” during the game tonight. I’m not usually one to tell the paying customers how to act (I don’t care if people “woo” or do the wave), but come on guys! That is just messed up.

Up Next:

Giants at Reds
Tuesday, 7:10 PM
TV: FOX Sports Ohio
Jon Moscot* (3 GS, 4.02 ERA/7.54 FIP) vs Jeff Samardzija (5 GS, 3.86 ERA/3.59 FIP)

*There is a report that Moscot may not be able to go tomorrow. John Lamb was scratched from his start in Louisville tonight, so he could be called up.

76 Responses

  1. wildwestlv

    I’ve watched this from the first hatchling, this Spring. It’s…inspirational…fascinating…intriguing…competitive…everything the 2016 Cincinnati Reds are not. It’s just the eaglets & the parents. Not much to screw it up.

    • mtkal

      That’s really cool. Thanks for sharing the link. I’ll be checking in them from now on.

  2. vegastypo

    “What’s the level beyond dumpster fires? Bonfires? Forest fires? The Reds bullpen is whatever is worse than a dumpster fire.”

    I’m thinking Chicago, 1871, in a barn, with a lantern, and a cow. And I’m not sure even THAT is sufficient for the ‘next level.’

    And I’ll grant you that Cueto snuck the hit past Brandon, but Votto? Maybe I didn’t see it as well as I thought I did, but sheesh. Make an attempt to get in front of the ball, will ya?

    • lwblogger2

      It was a rather pathetic attempt. Votto is outstanding at picking bad throws to 1B but he often isn’t so hot at the hard grounders.

  3. vegastypo

    You gotta be kidding me… Really?

    Finnegan left the game with hamstring tightness ???????????
    I guess it was his turn to get hurt.

    • RedInIND

      Finnegan felt it after the 3rd inning. He supposedly convinced Price that it wasn’t anything serious. “I’ll be fine. Nothing serious at all,” he said after three more innings. (per Zach Buchanan at the Enquirer.)

  4. Steve Mancuso

    Meanwhile: Dusty Baker used Stephen Drew as his DH tonight because of Drew’s history with Royals pitcher Edinson Volquez. Drew was 4/12 lifetime against Volquez, but the most recent hit was in 2010. As if they are the same players now. As if that sample size means anything.

    Drew went 0-3 vs. Volquez with two strikeouts.

  5. Scotlykins

    Votto is not “our hero”. Maybe yours but certainly not mine. This could be a decent team with a bullpen.

    • Jeff

      This seems like a non-sequitur. Please tell me you don’t believe that Votto is somehow at fault for our historically bad bullpen.

      P.S. Nick was referring to himself and at least me and a few other fans so he’s allowed to use the plural possessive.

    • jessecuster44

      LOL indeed. Because a 3-run bomb to take the lead – vs one of the best pitchers in the NL – is not heroic.

      We all have our favorites, but how a segment of Reds fans can dislike Joey Votto is just baffling.

      • WVRedlegs

        Yes indeed. Incredibly baffling.

    • lwblogger2

      Votto isn’t my favorite player. Mike Trout, followed closely by Buster Posey are my favorite players.. He isn’t even my favorite Red, as Jay Bruce is. That said, he’s an amazing player and the hero of many a Reds’ fans. I think Nick is good using “our hero” in his article. I mean, it is his article after all.

  6. ohiojimw

    How is it that whenever a guy from the Reds pen looks like he gets it, as soon as they hand him the ball with a lead, he becomes clueless???

    • RedAlert

      They mirror their manager 👍

      • Takao

        Tell me how Price could’ve better managed the bullpen today. Please.

        The bullpen has a collective ERA of over 6. There’s not a single pitcher in the pen (besides possibly Cotham, and even he has had meltdowns) that have pitched well this season.

        I don’t think Price is a great manager, but he’s doing the best he can with the forest fire of awfulness that is the Reds roster right now. We have enough starting pitchers on the DL right now that we could staff an entire starting rotation (and that doesn’t even include those like Finnegan and Moscot who look like they might miss at least a start!).

        Our breakout catcher has a labrum tear and is going on the DL. Our breakout LF may or may not have knocked himself into next year last night. Our SS went down with another knee injury last night.

        So tell me. How would YOU suggest Price manage this roster to a winning record? It was bad enough last year when the roster was bad and people were placing all the blame on him. Now the roster is even worse AND it’s been torn to pieces via injury.

      • pinson343

        You’re right, no one could manage this bullpen effectively. Every option is the bad, so Price is just “going with the freshest arm”. What else can he do ?

        Last night Ramirez, Hayes and Hoover all looked like batting practice pitchers. Ramirez could not throw his slider for a strike, the Giants were just sitting on his fastball. Haynes is a AAA pitcher, and Hoover’s body language (and pitching) show a complete loss of confidence.

      • RedAlert

        I don’t care how he manages his roster – regardless of the talent at his disposal , he is a bad manager. He has proven that on more than one occassion over tha last 3 years. Really no expectations of the Reds this year , so makes no difference to me what he does. Looking forward to a new manager at year’s end .

  7. ohiojimw

    What difference would it have made if they could have gotten another inning out Finnegan? They still would have needed to cover 6 outs; and, there is no indication this pen could do that.

  8. TheNextJanish

    I’m starting to pretend that the games only go for 6 innings. The Reds bullpen is the outlier of bad.

    • lwblogger2

      I liked when I was a kid and my games only went 7. Can we do that for Reds games for a while?

  9. ohiojimw

    The Reds pulled Lamb from his AAA rehab start tonight presumably because they may need him to start versus the Giants Tuesday in place of Moscot. In a last minute bullpen game, Sampson, Someson, Chad Rogers, and Dayan Diaz combined to throw a shutout with the Bats winning 1-nil on a 9th inning walk off HR by Kyle Waldrop.

    Maybe they should give these 4 pitchers a day to recover then bring all 4 of them to the Reds and just pick any four current pen guys to be sent down.

    • tourniquette15

      I haven’t been a commentor in a couple of years, but a very avid reader of everything, including comments.. That is a +1 sir.

      • tourniquette15

        The Latos pic should give some creedance to the statement lol

      • ohiojimw used it on the title page of their Reds blog clear through the 2015 season 🙂

    • lwblogger2

      I like it. Bring up 4, send down 4.

    • Westfester

      You realize Sampson was already up here at the beginning of the year. He was DFA’d after a couple of weeks.

      • ohiojimw

        Yep. But the replacements have been as bad or worse. The other 3 involved in the AAA shutout have not pitched for the Reds this season. Somsen was called up when Bruce went onto paternity leave, sat unused for 3 days, and was returned to AAA.

  10. Mark Lang

    Worse than a dumpster fire? How about a Fukushima? Not just a nuclear disaster, but laying waste to the surrounding lands for years.

    How would you write that in the past tense? They’ve “Fukushimad”? They’ve gone full Fukushima?

    • tourniquette15

      They’ve “Fukushima’d”

  11. ohiojimw

    It is sounding like the situation with Mesoraco could be heading toward getting really messy. Apparently (by inference) Dr. Kremchek has said surgery is called for, period. Meso is saying he’s not sure he, is ready to have surgery and thus most likely miss the entire season (again). He says he accepts that eventually his shoulder will need surgery but maybe he should try to “play through” the problem and have the surgery later.

    This is a tough break for Meso but hopefully he will get over the shock; and, he and the team can end up on the same page without rancor.

    • lwblogger2

      I can understand not wanting surgery again but someone needs to convince him that the longer he puts it off, the longer he’ll be ineffective. If he really doesn’t want to do it, he should consider talking to the Reds about restructuring his contract for retirement as if he retires now, he won’t get any of the remaining money on the deal. I love Mes but those really should be the choices.

      • ohiojimw

        If Kremchek would sign off on it, they could see if Meso would accept being optioned and playing in the minors. If so on both ends, have Meso sign an informed consent that playing in his condition could result in damaging his future earnings capacity etc. and holding the Reds and their medical staff harmless then send him to the minors to play until he was effective or convinced he needed to go on and have the surgery.

      • CP

        You guys are inferring a whole bunch that isn’t there.

      • ohiojimw

        The team says he needs to have surgery now. The player isn’t ready to submit to surgery. The player has even said he might consult with his agent about a second opinion. This is all within his right to do; but what is the team supposed to do in the meantime to try and resolve the impasse?

      • CP

        It’s been like 24 hours. I’d look for a second opinion too. Bronson was initially diagnosed with a labrum tear also.

      • lwblogger2

        I’m certainly ok with him pursuing a 2nd opinion. That’s his right under the CBA as well. I mentioned it in response to Cossack below but failed to mention it here.

      • ohiojimw

        And per Mark Sheldon Meso will seek that second opinion. Asw what a shock it all must be for him, it was written yesterday that even as he went for the MRI he thought there was a good chance it was going to clear him for action and that he would be starting Monday night. Just a bad and sad situation all the way around.

  12. pinson343

    When I tuned in and saw it was the 6th inning and the Reds led 6-3 but Finnegan was done, I felt as if the Reds were behind 9-6. At the end of the game, I still felt like it was 9-6.

  13. pinson343

    I’ve imagined this before, and always been wrong, so I’m hesitant to even mention it. But isn’t Hamilton hitting more ground balls and little line drives lately ? Just asking.

    One chronic issue with him is that with his base running style, his hands and recently a thumb are always hurting. You need strong hands to hit.

    • PDunc

      According to Fangraphs his ground ball % is up, his line drive % is up and his fly ball % is down. He has also lowered his soft-hit % and is swinging at fewer pitches outside of the strike zone.

    • lwblogger2

      He hit the ball hard a couple times last night. He’s been hitting it hard and on the ground or on a line quite a bit lately. It’s one of the few positives out of this miserable, disgusting season.

  14. CaribRed

    Reliever (and hence bullpen) performance is one of the most highly variable things in baseball. Yes, the bullpen is atrocious right now. But if and when management decides to “try” then I think the Reds have a chance to be a decent team. You can’t help but wonder if Williams and crew know this, know they’re not going to win anything this year anyway, and are just saving money and positioning themselves for a good pick. Once they get that, they invest some money in the bullpen and voila, instant respectability.

    • pinson343

      I like to think that way but it’s hard to watch, and I don’t know that losing 100 games a season – especially this way – is a good thing for the young players or the Reds organization. Who wants to watch them right now ? What’s happening with the next TV contract ?

      It’s true that we all agreed that the Reds should not go out and spend money on a reliever. But this current group is historically bad and there’s no reason to feel they’ll do better as the season goes on, they are pretty much pitching to expectations (except Hoover, no one thought he’d be this terrible).

      I suppose it comes down to the multiple injuries to the Reds pitching staff – even Price has just now admitted that the organization needs to “look into that problem”.

  15. pinson343

    I was very disappointed to hear that some Reds fans were doing the hateful Cu-e-to chant, especially given its origins. It started in Pittsburgh in that 1 game playoff play-in game when Cueto started although he’d missed most of the season and was not yet back in form. Latos was injured and Dusty went with Cueto over Homer.

    After that Pirates fans were always doing that chant and it never worked. They even came to Cincinnati and tried to bother him with the chant while he was winning his 20th game of 2014 on the final day of the season.

    Sure root on the home team but show a little respect for a guy who deserves it.

    • Steve Mancuso

      I was at the game, in the lower deck near home plate. I didn’t hear the “Cue-to” chant and I was kind of listening for it. That’s not to say that fans weren’t doing it. But the idea that it was a stadium-wide sound that Johnny Cueto could hear is almost certainly wrong. And I’m glad because it’s a really dumb idea. I stood up to cheer when he took the mound in the first inning, but after that I was cheering strongly for the Reds. But that Cue-to cheer is one of the low moments of recent Reds history, one only brain-dead fans would want to recreate.

      • Steve Mancuso

        Must have been right where their microphones are. Or I could have missed it. I was paying pretty close attention, though. No way it was anything more than a few people.

  16. redsfan06

    No surprise with Mesoraco. He’s just following form for Reds players signed to long term contracts. First Votto, then Bailey and now Mes missing most of 2 seasons.

    • Steve Mancuso

      This season and last year were arbitration seasons for Mesoraco, not extensions. He would have been with the Reds at about the same salary regardless of signing the contract.

  17. Daytonian

    Is there some sort of law of baseball that prevents a manager from using his best relievers in winnable situations? I know the entire Reds bullpen is bad, but that does not mean that all of the Reds relievers are equally bad.

    Last night’s line-up of relievers was a parade of the worst of the ‘pen–a parade that began when the Reds were winning! Why not use your worst arms in the many games where you fall behind? That would then allow you to use your better relievers (and even on this team some members of the bullpen are clearly better than others) when your team has a lead or the game is close? I just can’t figure out if last night’s calls to the ‘pen were unreal or surreal.

    • brmreturns

      Before last night, Ramirez & Hayes had the 2nd & 3rd best ERA out of the bullpen(behind only Cotham). Also, both were top 4 in WHIP. Also, keep this in mind:
      The Reds have had 14 pitchers used in 2016 with at least 3 appearances (so not counting Melville, Bob Steve, or Sampson). Of those, SIX have an ERA over 6…… who exactly are the Reds ‘best’ (haha) relievers????????

  18. Kj

    I think this bullpen is an invaluable teaching tool, instructing our young pitchers in the value of complete games. By this standard, they are doing an excellent job.

  19. jessecuster44

    Votto deserves better. That HR is what an MVP caliber player does. It was a beautiful thing to watch.

    The bullpen is sickening. The rash of injuries is sickening. It is more than just “Bad Luck.” I’ve been saying this since 2012. There must be a fundamental flaw in how injuries are diagnosed and treated, or in the strength/training program. People talk all the time about how the Reds doctors are highly regraded and respected. Why? Everyone gets hurt, then recovers slowly. If these people were my doctors, I’d find another practice.

    There’s no point in investing in future talent if said talent is just going to break down.

    The Mesoraco situation? Ridiculous. He’s going to be the Sean Marshall of position players. Get his contract off the books as quickly as possible.

    • wizeman

      Wait for it. I just snapped my fingers and voila…. Mesoracos contract is off of the books.
      I am doing my best to stay positive every day. The refrain of better players are coming soon has taken a bruise due to injury setbacks.
      4 relievers at Pensacola pitchine well. Perhaps we should flip some spots.

    • greenmtred

      Jesse: Are you sure that it isn’t just a case of you following the Reds and thus being aware of their injuries? It was only a few years ago that their starting pitchers didn’t miss a start for the whole season, or close to it. It’s a very stressful game (long periods of relative inactivity punctuated by extreme physical demands) and people on all teams get hurt, and the injuries are often serious and require long rehab. It’s hard to watch, though. The whole thing is hard to watch.

      • jessecuster44

        followed the Reds since 1978. Never seen a multi-year run of injuries like this. Never. Of course baseball is a stressful game, but you don’t see any other franchise with a 4 year run of lingering injuries like the Reds. Something stinks.

      • greenmtred

        I see, on the bottom line crawl, a constant stream of injuries to players on other teams but, no, I haven’t verified that the Reds don’t have more. I’ve followed the Reds since 1972 (Indians before that, I blush to say) and, like you, don’t recall a run of injuries to match the last few years. But memory is selective, and those were good years, many of them. I doubt that I’d remember the injuries on the BRM. Also, pitchers now are throwing much harder, which may contribute to the problem.

  20. cfd3000

    I seem to recall a Reds team not so many years ago that only used five starting pitchers the whole season (okay, six, but only because of one scheduling quirk, not an injury). That seems so long ago but it did happen. And both Cozart and Bailey have recovered remarkably well from major injuries, despite recent and minor setbacks. They’ll both be fine. Votto and Bruce and Suarez and for that matter Barnhart all healthy and there’s no reason to think that will change. Phillips and Hamilton both seem to get banged up a lot, but that’s how they play the game. Yes, this spate of injuries is disheartening and yes, this bullpen meltdown is disappointing. I was actually glad to see Ramirez on the hill and surprised he struggled so much. But except for what appears to be the loss of a top catcher probably for good this spate of injury is just part of the cycle of a game played at high intensity for an extended time. I choose to remain optimistic. Surely it can’t get much worse, right? Which means it will inevitably get better. And with a host of talented arms on the way – Bailey, Lamb, Stephenson, Reed, Lorenzen and more – I’m actually looking forward to it. Plus I love seeing my hero (maybe yours too) coming out of his hitting funk. Go Joey. Go Reds.

  21. mtkal

    I wonder if the Reds’ relievers can even look the starters in the eye, especially after a game like last night. Of course nearly ALL of their games this season so far have followed the same pattern as last night’s game.

    • greenmtred

      It is the same pattern, and familiarity breeds contempt.

    • ohiojimw

      Going back to Finnegan’s previous start in NYC, I count 4 quality starts in 6 games (Finnegan (2), Straily, Adelman) against pretty good competition (Metz, Pirates, Giants). The previous game to these six, Moscot was lifted after 5 innings due to injury but was on line for a QS if he could have made it through the 6th inning giving up 2 or fewer additional runs. The Reds record over this stretch is 1-6

      Over the same stretch the Reds pen has allowed 21 runs in 20 innings.

      • vegastypo

        Despite the anguish over the bullpen, and anguish might not be a strong enough word, the starting pitchers need to realize they need to raise their game a bit too. Ninety to 100 pitches through 5 or 6 innings might get you a ‘quality start’ — a stat I really don’t like, by the way — but how about the starters looking the bullpen guys in the eye and acknowledging that a few 7-inning or even 8-inning starts might give the bullpen a break.

        What’s worse than a bad bullpen? An overworked bad bullpen.

    • ohiojimw

      And on the other side of the coin, he allowed an inherited runner (2nd base) to score in the process 🙂

  22. james garrett

    We will get better but it will take this year to get there.The Reds are snake bitten right now with so many pitchers hurting but we know what we have pitching wise.Its just getting them healthy.The key to me is to find out what we have position player wise as we head toward the future and the only way to find out is to play these guys.Its a safe bet that BP,Cosart and Bruce won’t be around when we become competitive again so why aren’t we letting some of the younger guys play.Steve said it best when he said we are along way off from putting a good offense on the field so to me this is the number 1 priority this year.We have to find out who we already have in the organization that will be part of the future so weknow where to spend our money as we go forward.Hopefully the front office will bring up players mid season and find out.

  23. Shchi Cossack

    Enough of the nonsense! Last season, the Reds were intending to be competitive and it was the last season for competitiveness before losing vitually their entire starting rotation enmass. When Mesoraco went down with his hip condition, the obvious and logical option was to try and maintain as much offensive production from him as possible without sacrificing or risking his future health. The Reds screwed that scenario up about as bad as it could have been screwed up.

    This season, the Reds have nothing to lose by shuting down Mesoraco and getting him back as close to 100% healthy as possible (it may never be conmpletely possible depending on the severity of his shoulder injury). The Reds have nothing to gain by pretending they need Mesoraco performing this season and trying to squeeze out any little cojntribution in an obvious losing season. SHUT HIM DOWN…NOW!!!

    Put him on the 60-day DL immediately and as soon as medically feasible, schedule his surgery. Do not let Mesoraco pick up a bat, a baseball or a baseball clove until adfter the surgery and the beginning of his rehabilitation from the surgery.

    Mesoraco made $2.5MM last season and was deserving of that raise in his 1st year of arbitration. The raise to $5.0MM for this season was predicated on a successful and productive 2015 season. The 2015 season was neither successful nor productive. If the Reds and Mesoraco had not signed the contract extention, then Mesoraco’s 2nd year of arbitration (2016) would have been at a minimal raise, at best, over his 2015 salary, but the $5MM is a sunk cost for this season and the additional $2MM represents a minimal cost in the risk/reward of signing a multiple year contract. The real issue will be the 3rd year of arbitration (2017) and the FA season (2018) at $7.3MM & $13.1MM respectively.

    The Reds need Mesoraco healthy and contributing in 2017 & 2018, if physically possible. Forgoing the rest of the 2016 season is a small sacrifice toward that goal. Let Barnhart play and let Cabrera play enough in a backup role to prevent Barnhart from breaking down. Delaying Mesoraco’s surgery last season cost the Reds and Mesoraco significantly when he wasn’t physically ready to play when spring training opened. Did that contribute to his shoulder injury? Who knows for sure, but the Reds need Mesoraco fully recovered and ready to play before spring training next season. The plan this year was to give him time in LF early in spring training to let him get comfortable and evaluate the efficacy of such a move. So keep that option on the on the table and get Mesoraco healthy. Quit fooling around.

    • lwblogger2

      Mesoraco seems to be the one holding back surgery. It’s his right to get a 2nd opinion so maybe he should do that. I will agree that there is no way he should be allowed to play baseball if surgery is deemed necessary.

  24. Adrian J Loder

    I decided to poke around B-R to see just how bad the Reds bullpen has been. Here are some “fun” facts (not really very fun for us):

    The combined, MLB average win% when entering the 6th, 7th, 8th and 9th innings with the lead is 90%. For the Reds? 70%. The Reds are basically blowing 20% more holds/saves than the MLB average.

    Also, typically the 1st inning sees the most run-scoring of any inning, and this is true this year as well, with more runs scored in the 1st than any other, followed by the 4th inning. Across all of MLB, 25% of all runs allowed are given up in the 1st + 4th innings. But not the Reds! The Reds give up more runs in the 7th and 8th innings than any other, combining for a whopping 35% of all runs given up.

    Not good times. Bad times.

    • Yippee

      This bullpen is historically bad. I’m not a big Bryan Price fan, but he has been dealt a horrible hand this season. I know injuries have been a part of this, too, but the FO has been more than willing to just let this ride out no matter how painful it’s going to be. If the bullpen was just average or slightly above average, Reds could be sitting at .500 or better right now and be in a decent spot when some of these pitchers come back from injury.

  25. StillRed

    Of all the years to finally sign up for MLB.TV so I could watch my Reds. I know this was meant to be a rebuilding period…but it is so hard to watch…a relatively mediocre offense (although seemingly of greater potential) who’s leads, when they got one, are blown 70% of the time…and who rarely are able to recover. I don’t know what Price can do…who’s job is it to make sure strikes are thrown, not to get behind in the count, to put a batter away when they are ahead. Do the catcher’s share the blame? If the FO is just auditioning this year, waiting to get a couple great picks, save a little $$ to buy a dependable reliever or 2 and there is no improvement as the year goes on, I’m afraid there will be a defeatist attitude in the locker-room that will be hard to replace.

  26. big5ed

    They seem to have several guys–Jumbo, Ramirez, Blake Wood, Hoover, etc.–who can throw pretty hard, but only with max effort. They therefore have no command, no movement, and no ability to throw any breaking pitches over the plate. “It’s turrible.”

    Adleman, on the other hand, sits at about 91 mph fastball but commands it, and throws other pitches for strikes. I understand that it was one game and that he may well never match it, but I would give him a shot in the pen and demote the bigger arms. Adleman kinda has David Weathers stuff; it isn’t overwhelming but at least he knows what to do with it.