We now know why it was taking so long for Reds closer Aroldis Chapman’s reported trade to the Dodgers to go through.

That’s because Chapman is now under investigation by Major League Baseball following an Oct. 30 incident in which Chapman’s girlfriend accused him of choking her and pushing her against a wall following an argument, per a police report obtained by Yahoo Sports. Chapman also admitted to firing eight shots from a handgun into the garage wall of his home in Miami.

Chapman’s attorney has denied the allegations. Police declined to make arrests “due to conflicting stories and a lack of cooperation from all parties involved,” per the report obtained by Yahoo. Four days after the alleged incident, Assistant State Attorney Marcie Zaccor declined to press charges against Chapman, citing insufficient evidence. Per C. Trent Rosecrans of The Cincinnati Enquirer, both the Reds and MLB have claimed that they unaware of the alleged incident until Monday.

Reds President of Baseball Operations Walt Jocketty would not comment on the alleged incident, but did not rule out a potential deal with the Dodgers, adding a trade of Chapman could “take several weeks.”

The Boston Globe reported late Monday night that the Red Sox considered a possible trade for Chapman in November before turning their attention to Craig Kimbrel after a background check revealed Chapman’s alleged domestic dispute.

Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports reported at 10:25 a.m. Monday morning that the Reds and Dodgers had agreed to a Chapman swap pending the review of medical documentation. Minutes later, Jon Heyman of CBS reported that shortstop Corey Seager, left-handed pitcher Julio Urias, and right-handed pitcher Jose De Leon, three of the Dodgers’ top prospects, would not be included in the deal.

At 3:06 p.m. Monday afternoon, Mark Sheldon of MLB.com reported that the trade was not yet completed and that “multiple teams could be involved.”

88 Responses

  1. rhayex

    Reading the article, it is incredibly inappropriate to say, “Chapman choked his girlfriend” given what is known. Everything that has been released points to incredibly inconsistent stories from both sides.

    • Joey

      Wait, I thought Chapman was married and his family was still overseas? Did I miss something?

      • jazzmanbbfan

        Don’t think he was married to the mother of the child born in Cuba. She and the mother are in the U.S. now. Has a child with this girlfriend (or ex-girlfriend?) as well.

      • Miguel5

        3 kids, 3 different baby mama’s.

  2. WVRedlegs

    We won’t get to see Chapman and Puig on the loose in LA now.
    I guess MLB can breath a sigh of relief on that. Both have left a mark on Miami in this short off-season so far.

  3. RFM

    A big question now is if the Reds knew about this incident and tried to bury/hide it, or if it was just brought to their attention for the first time by the Dodgers conducting a background check or something.

    The smart thing for Chapman to do would be to inform the team… quickly, if not immediately. But after this incident associates ‘Chapman’ and ‘smart’ together? Assuming that the Reds must know everything that goes on in the lives of their players seemingly assumes that the Reds possess more… I don’t know… information, foresight, whatever… than we typically associate with the team.

    If the Reds knew and tried to keep it a secret for the purpose of trading him before the story broke, they should be ashamed. If Chapman, his lawyer, and/or his agent chose to hide this from the Reds, they are idiots. I hope the issue is the later, but we’ll probably find out in the next day or so, what the Reds knew and when.

    • Grant Freking

      Just updated the post with new info. Reds and MLB claim that they were unaware of the alleged incident until Monday.

    • joe

      If the Reds knew about this, it has tarnished the faith other clubs has about the Reds. According to Zacary Rymer of Bleacher Report, “To boot, clubs may be skepitacl of the Reds them selves.” MLB needs to investigae the Reds and see if , and when they knew of the incendent. If Jocketty, knew and withheld this information from MLB, he needs to be fired immediately! That way the club can repair damage to thier image, and move forward to a brighter future.

      • gaffer

        That is BS, the Red Sox apparently found out before they traded for Kimbrel. Walt must be fired over this!

      • greenmtred

        Wouldn’t it be a good idea to wait and see what actually happened before you fire WJ? Teams do not, nor should they, know every detail of their employees’ private lives

      • PvtGripweed

        You want to fire someone for sitting on information after the DA decided not to prosecute based on insufficient evidence? I hope you never sit on a jury…

  4. ohiojimw

    We are supposed to believe that the BoSox knew/ found out and didn’t tell the Reds? That stretches believability pretty thin.

    • RFM

      Teams rarely volunteer to share ANY information they gather, it seems. How would the industry respond to the Red Sox breaking the story about the midsdeeds of a Cincinnati Reds player? Corporate sabotage? Attempted defamation and devaluation of another team’s asset? I could certainly understand the Red Sox wanting to stay out of it, and not get involved… abruptly crossing Chapman off their list, rather than picking up the phone to spread their findings to others.

      Imagine if the Cardinals had conducted a background check of all the Reds players, found this, and revealed it…. or vice versa.

      It’s looking like a mess for MLB, with the Red Sox seemingly having been in a no-win scenario. Reporting=bad, not reporting=bad. Red Sox didn’t inform anyone? Frankly I can see that….

      • ohiojimw

        MLB has a domestic violence policy. The BoSox and Reds are members of MLB. By what twist of logic is a team who discovers a whiff of such an incident freed of obligation to report what they know to MLB?

      • Chris Miller

        For starters, it is public knowledge. If the Red Sox found out, anyone can find out. Why would the Reds divulge something that didn’t even equate to any sort of criminal arrests? Should the Reds divulge that he was speeding too? How about having a drink one too many?

      • ohiojimw

        Read what I said above again. MLB has a domestic violence policy. The Reds (and BoSox and every other team) are licensed franchisees of MLB. They are bound to support the policies of MLB. Part of that is reporting possible breeches for investigation.

      • ncboiler

        It’s one thing to mention to the press about something you found on someone’s background check or “spreading their findings to others”, but it’s crazy to think that they didn’t tell the Reds or MLB what they found.

      • MrRed

        Agreed. That’s the real issue. The Reds were in talks with the Sox about trading Chapman weeks ago. The official word was that the Reds were asking too much and that’s why a deal fell through. Now it comes out that the deal fell through when the Red Sox uncovered this incident and the Reds are claiming they didn’t know until Monday? Something isn’t adding up here and the Reds have got some explaining to do.

        Not only do they have a potentially disastrous image problem but their offseason plan to move certain players is now seriously jeopardized. This may very well spill into next season and their rebuilding plans will be off track.

        This looks to be quite an inauspicious start to Williams’s GM career.

  5. RFM

    This incident really SHOULD be called the Cuban Missile Crisis.

  6. Dan

    If this does prove be to true (innocent until proven guilty) then he should be deported and his major league baseball days behind him. To many good guys out there who are genuine gentleman. Last thing baseball needs is another monster that thinks that they are above the law. Red or no Red abuse of this nature should mean goodbye and good riddance.

    • Chris Miller

      I agree with this 100%. Any of these foreigners found guilty of any felony should be kicked out of the country.

      • steve

        The Blue Jays have their fingers crossed I’m sure.

      • Sam Spond

        Chris that is a RIDICULOUS stance to take.

      • Michael Smith

        Sam that is a common practice. If you are a foreign national in the United States and you are convicted of a crime often your Visa is revoked and you are asked to leave the country.

        If you are nationalized or have citizenship then it would be ridiculous.

      • ryan

        it’s simple assault domestic, it’s a misdemeanor not a felony. First offense half the time gets dropped or requires anger management. also, let’s not accuse someone of a crime they weren’t even arrested for. Abusers often times will lie an blame the victim in DV situations. Should we just have police arrest anyone accused even without evidence? Remember, you could be falsely accused of something one day. Would you think it’s fair sitting in a jail cell wondering what’s gonna happen next if you’re accused of something and there wasn’t even evidence to justify arresting you?

    • lwblogger2

      No matter what MLB uncovers, it would be very unlikely that Chapman will be prosecuted. It would seem that no charges were even filed due to the conflicting stories of all parties involved. I don’t see how we can deport someone when there isn’t even enough evidence to press formal charges.

      • Michael_Øk

        Agreed, the reason the police did not press charges was because of the conflicting and varying stories. Let us not forget that some people do lie, so his girlfriend could be. With that said, the same goes for Chapman and his attorney.

        Personally, I don’t think anything will come of this from a law-perspective. The only thing that could happen is if the MLB wishes to model itself after the NFL with its domestic-violence policy that allows for no errors. According to my knowledge, I don’t believe Chapman has been in any criminal wrongdoing since he has been in the U.S. (Though I could be wrong, in which case you can gladly tell me otherwise), and there were no injuries. Also, his girlfriend was not reported to have had any marks on her body, per police report.

        The whole thing just seems like he was pushed over the edge in an argument, and he made a mistake. With that said, seriously? This is something between him and his girlfriend, and he was not even charged. I mean I understand that a team may be wary of signing him, but to put his career in jeopardy on a situation that seemed to have gone over extremely well (keeping in mind the circumstances)?

        In no way am I a Red Sox fan, but I applaud what they did. They were unsure of what they allegedly found, so they simply retracted their pursuit for Chapman. It was none of the Red Sox’s business to possibly destroy a career because of a report (that he may not have even done), nor the MLB’s.

      • ryan

        People DO lie bro! Ask any police officer. DV calls are the most common calls police respond to. Abusers almost always lie and blame the victim as well. If police just arrest based on accusations, innocent victims would be having their lives ruined when abusers lie to police and accuse them. Police show up, they question both sides, look for inconsistencies, observe any possible injuries, and if there is nothing there, they separate the parties and take down a report. Trust me, I have a cousin who was being emotionally abused and threatened with physical violence, a neighbor called the police and when they got their my cousin’s husband lied and said she actually attacked him. That’s what abusers do. People lie all the time in DV situations. Luckily the police didn’t buy that story. Like I said, police investigate these situations and if there is even the slightest mark on someone an arrest will be made. If nothing exists, they have nothing to arrest on.

    • gaffer

      The Yahoo report last night already said he cut his left hand (pinkie) busting a window.

  7. Redleg1144

    How many lawyers are there in this room? Jeez…how bout we stick to baseball.

    • ryan

      If there was even the slightest mark on the alleged victim an arrest would’ve been made. Police handle these calls on a daily basis. They are aware people lie and make up stories. Some people are vindictive, some people are flat out psychotic. Police are aware and they know what to look for. Police know of what a pc nightmare it would be if they didn’t arrest if there was evidence to make an arrest. However, it’s clear the police investigated, got both sides of the stories, neither story matched, the alleged victim had no injuries. No injuries, no witnesses, neither story matched, take a report, separate parties, case closed.

  8. JoshG

    wow, guess they should have traded him at the trade deadline

  9. Dan

    Does anyone know how such a thing would affect Chapman’s upcoming arbitration hearing? Is the arbitration based exclusively on performance?

    • redsfan06

      Arbitration hearings are based upon all things considered to create value. Jim Bowden told how he lost an arbitration hearing to Sean Casey where Casey’s agent put together numerous video clips, radio blurbs and newspaper articles extolling how Casey was the face of the Reds. He made a case that Casey’s value extended beyond his on field contributions to build the Reds brand name.

      Not sure how or if this incident will affect Chapman’s hearing, but it could be given consideration if brought up.

  10. Peter Pond

    This team needs an exorcism, ‘Murphy’s Law” should be renamed as ‘ Reds’ Law’. Our best trade chip, minutes away to be traded to begin the offseason, becomes ‘damaged goods’ all of a sudden.
    Of course, the always candid bunch will blame WJ for not knowing Aroldis would be a domestic abuser, stop him or better yet, find him another girlfriend…… 3,2,1

    • Redgoggles

      I blame Skip; after all, he was brought in for his clubhouse leadership. Clearly, he didn’t spend enough time on domestic relationships.

    • ohiojimw

      The Reds could make a huge statement by waiving Chapman thus getting his salary off the books and putting the mess behind them.

      • lwblogger2

        I doubt that would happen but it would be a huge statement. I have another idea that I’m going to describe below.

    • Hotto4Votto

      You’re right, no one should blame WJ or the Reds FO for not predicting that Aroldis may (allegedly) be charged with domestic abuse. If (innocent until proven guilty) he made poor choices, that’s not on the Reds, that’s on Aroldis.

      What we can be critical of the FO and WJ for is not employing appropriate risk assessment to the situation especially in the light of a previous major red flag.

      Does anyone recall the situation from 2012 with Chapman’s (married) girlfriend where she claimed she was tied up and robbed in his hotel room in Pittsburgh and that ended up being a hoax? I don’t believe, or recall, Chapman having anything to do with that situation, other than being associated with her in the first place and having her stay in his hotel room while he was playing in game. That does demonstrates poor judgment.

      I’m sure the Reds know more about who Aroldis is than we do. But from what little we do know through the news, he hasn’t always made the best decisions in whom he associates with or is engaged with in a relationship. Does that make him a bad person? No. As his employer, should the Reds have assessed risk and reward of keeping him as an employee?

      It’s possible they did and decided his once in a lifetime arm was worth a few questionable decisions. And other than some reckless driving charges, I don’t recall Aroldis being in the news until now. I also don’t think anyone is surprised by this allegation. And the fact that he did admit to firing off shots into his garage wall during the dispute certainly doesn’t bode well for his recent decision making either.

      All of that being known, the one thing I think fans can be critical of the FO is for not trading him in July. The risk/reward factors don’t even seem close.

      The reward was that instead of dealing with a handful of teams that are contending and have a need at closer, now you can deal with all 29 teams, opening up potential trade partners.

      The risk was that he’d have less 2 months less control and wouldn’t be able to impact two post season pushes for the receiving team. The closer market could be more saturated with quality options over the off season. He could have been injured in a season when the Reds were out of contention by May. And finally, having some history of questionable associations and decision making, he could do something that would jeopardize his value and/or injure himself during the off season (he wouldn’t be the first player to hurt himself at home).

      Could the Reds have predicted this specific situation. No. Did they take a risk? Yes. Did the reward outweigh the risks? I would say no. And that is where I think it’s fair to be critical of how the front office handled trading Aroldis Chapman.

  11. UglyStrike

    Nothing to see here!! Move Along!!! Move Along!!

    No charges, neither side of the incident speaking. MLB cannot take action on something that may or may not have happened. Physical on the hand and some time will resolve this.

    If there were actual evidence or charges, that would be a entirely different matter.

    • lwblogger2

      The only actual evidence and the only thing that Chapman could certainly be charged with is discharging a weapon and only because one round escaped his home.

      • ryan

        It’s scary how in this world we now live in even an accusation now makes you innocent. People seem to not comprehend the police thoroughly investigated. Heck, like I’m trying to tell people, talk to any actual police officer and hear their stance on DV. They get these calls on a daily basis. Most of the time it’s two sides with completely different stories, no witnesses, and both sides accusing the other of assault, yet neither party having any marks or injuries. Should we just have police arrest anyone anytime there’s an accusation made against them? Is that the world people want to live in?

  12. jessecuster44

    Forget the domestic violence charge for a sec. Chappy fired a gun 8 times into a wall in his own home. That’s very scary, and points to a person that may be a bit unhinged.

    Sorry, I don’t care about the return now. Get this man off the team any way possible.

    And if the Reds knew about it? (The Red Sox did) Clean house of anyone who covered it up.

    … I can’t believe this is my favorite team. What the hell has happened in the past three years?

    • CP

      This isn’t the government dude. The Reds’ organization is basically a small business–once the business learns about about it, the first thing they do is to tell the owner and bring in General Counsel.

      I’m fairly certain the Reds did not know about the domestic issue, and that Chapman likely breached his contract with the Reds and MLB by not self-reporting to the organization. The question now, is what do the Reds want to do about it?

      • sultanofswaff

        Well, considering the Reds ‘nothing to see here’ approach to the Alfredo Simon incident, I don’t see them doing anything.

      • jessecuster44

        How did the Reds not know if the Red Sox did? If another team knows more about your players than you do, you’re doing something very wrong.

      • RFM

        The Red Sox and Dodgers both conducted background checks on a player they were looking to acquire, while the Reds saw no need for the background check between the end of the season and the winter meetings in December. I guess they assumed that their player would be smart enough to inform them about… legal issues. What industry conducts monthly background checks of their employees?

      • MrRed

        It’s interesting to think about but a fair question would be why didn’t the Reds keep better tabs on their best trade chip?

      • jessecuster44

        Because the Reds are stupid. If I had a player with a history of off-the-field problems, I’d at least have a google alert set to police blotters across the country. Good lord.

  13. sultanofswaff

    If Chapman gets suspended (which seems likely), that gives the Reds even less bargaining power. None of this would be the Reds problem had they traded Chapman at the deadline. The season was lost, we had no need for him, and the return would’ve been closer to the Kimbrel deal. An EPIC miscalculation by the Reds front office.

    If there’s ever been a better instance of NOT maximizing the return on investment for a player in the last, oh, 100 years, I’d like someone to tell me. Here was our best chance to bolster the everyday lineup with a cost controlled position player, and now it’s likely shot. This just makes me sick to my stomach.

    • gaffer

      Actually, there COULD be another wrinkle. A 50 game suspension would make him NOT ELIGIBLE for free agency next year!

  14. sultanofswaff

    Oh, and good luck negotiating with other teams this week. I’m sure the trust levels will be very conducive to making deals.

  15. jessecuster44

    This franchise is an absolute disgrace.

  16. Chuck Schick

    One of the great leadership lessons I’ve learned is that when something doesn’t make sense to me, it usually makes sense to someone who knows more about a topic than I. Theres usually a broader, deeper reason for a decision than what appears rationale on the surface.

    Perhaps the Reds decision to not use him as a starter or to generally limit his usage to one inning traditional save situations was tied to concerns around his emotional make up, maturity and self discipline. My guess is the Reds know Chapman much better than the fans.

  17. redslam

    Not going to jump to conclusions about mismanagement specific to the alleged incident, but it is another lesson in “selling high” and “de-risking” – waiting longer not only lowered the asking price of Chapman, it also left open the possibility of some bad thing occurring (which I would have normally thought of as exclusively injury-related)…

    The bad press around this right now is just another black cloud that makes the Reds dealing position likely worse for the winter…. terrible, terrible stuff when I was looking forward to seeing how we positioned ourselves. COuldn’t have asked for a worse start.

  18. WVRedlegs

    If the Reds did not find out about this until Monday, that is a big if, then it is the RedSox who have got alot of ‘splainin to do. They did not inform the Reds of their findings, nor MLB. They simply decided to switch gears and focus on a trade for Kimbrel, make the trade for Kimbrel, and then go on their merry way.
    This is going to come down to a who-knew-what-and when situation. The Reds and RedSox are now in precarious places, the Dodgers in a holding pattern, and Chapman’s career and life are on hold. What a mess.

    • RFM

      It looks like a no-win scenario for the Red Sox, making this discovery. The Reds’ front office would be pissed if another team released… what is basically opposition research… which only seems to serve their purposes of lowering the value of a trade target, destroying the reputation of a Cincinnati fan favorite, and possibly leading to a suspension. Imagine how we’d respond if the Cardinals did such a thing. Imagine how pissed the Red Sox would be if we dug up a police report and got one of their players in trouble.

      Bringing the allegations to light might have been the moral and correct thing for the Red Sox to do, but I don’t believe for a second that it was that simple, and I certainly can understand them wanting to stay out of the mess.

      Here’s my rendition of how I think it’d be handled by the Red Sox organization:
      Intern: “Hey boss, we found some shady stuff in Chapman’s record”
      Mike Hazen: “Do I want to know what it is?”
      Intern: “No, absolutely not.”
      Mike Hazen: “Should we avoid a deal because of it?”
      Intern: “Yes.”
      Mike Hazen: “Should I report it to someone?”
      Intern: “Report what? You haven’t been told anything to report”
      Mike Hazen: “Hey, there’s this Kimbrel guy who’s available also… maybe Dombrowski likes him. He’s so good, we never wanted Chapman anyway.”

  19. lwblogger2

    Here’s a thought and it is pretty far out of the box and would be a complete 180 from the original plan…

    The Reds trade assets are losing value fast. It seems possible that the return in trade for Chapman, Bruce, or even Frazier won’t bring in the kind of return that the Reds were hoping. So, really, the only benefit of trading them would be rebuilding with perhaps lesser prospects and/or getting their salaries off the books. Therefore, maybe it’s best not to trade them. Go ahead and sign a couple players, and flat out go for it one more time.

    If you’re out of the race at the deadline, try to move them again. With their values being what they are now and with perhaps other questions of trust and integrity surrounding the Reds right now, their values at the deadline may not be much less than they are now.

    I’m sure most will disagree with this plan but seriously, there are a few starting pitchers that would help this team and there are a couple OF on the market that could help a lot. Going for it would be a long-shot, no doubt, but at this point, why not?

    • Chuck Schick

      Not a terrible idea but there are some items that make that unlikely:

      1. You have 6 guys taking up 80 million in payroll so there isn’t much flexibility.
      2. It took 97 wins to make the playoffs last year and the Reds have won that many games twice in the past 40 years….so the chances that they can reach that threshold…even with some signings and luck….given the division they play in….would be incredibly unlikely.
      3. Attendance was inflated last year due to Season tickets sales connected to the ASG…given the expected decline associated with that and the fact that they’re coming off a 98 loss season…it’s reasonable to believe they’re projecting a major drop in attendance/revenue
      4. The cable deal expires in October and until that is resolved it would be difficult to make any additional major long term financial commitments.

      • ohiojimw

        About the 97 wins to make the playoffs…. I pointed out several weeks back that the Cards and Cubs got to their win totals largely on the backs of the Reds and Brewers. If the Reds and Brewers win several games each more versus those two teams, they are likely to drop down into the more typical 90 win range. And it is not like the Cards at least are looking a bit vulnerable right now themselves.

      • lwblogger2

        It’s risky that’s for sure and all your points are good ones. I am just approaching things differently because the current plan has probably gotten a lot harder and if I’m the Reds’ front-office, I have to wonder just how feasible it is to rebuild, especially with a 2017 timetable. 2018 at this point may be a stretch and the fans certainly aren’t going to buy 2019. You end up getting in the “We’re rebuilding for the opening of the new ballpark in 2003” situation. That rebuilding effort finally payed dividends in 2010.

      • ohiojimw

        I like your plan. I’ve said before here that sometimes letting a player play out his contract as fair value for money spent is a reasonable alternative to flipping them for some lesser return to reseed the building process.

        When I take a step back and look at your plan that is what I see it doing because Frazier, Phillips, and Bruce are under team control thru 2017, the latter two cost certain, the former under market for 2016.

        I would go on and try to get Chapman’s salary off the books aside from this latest situation because that ~$13M could go a ways in filling the other needs and they have the like fo Finnegan and Lorenzen to shore up the back of the pen.

        On the other side of the coin, it would still give them two years to try and acquire/ develop position players for 2018 and beyond.

  20. james garrett

    This is kind of beyond belief to me.Many many questions need to be ask of the Reds just to find out what they knew and when they knew it.If their is a policy in place agreed upon by all parties(owners and the union) then I am sure the Reds are bound by that agreement to report any and all possible issues to MLB.This would not be just a team issue but rather a league issue.Lets not forget the Ray Rice goof up and how its was handled.Keeping that in mind if any of this mess turns out to be true you can bet that the league will be looking at somebody to punish severely.Finally in this day and time it would be really really hard to keep something like this quiet for even a few minutes and it allegedly happened 6 weeks ago.Hard for my one brain cell to comprehend that one.

  21. PDunc

    I can understand a scenario where the Reds and MLB didn’t know about Chapman’s domestic incident but the Red Sox did.

    The incident did not make the news as far as I know, there were no charges pressed and no arrests made. Unless the team or league runs weekly/monthly/random/etc. background checks on their players they would have no way of knowing and no reason to suspect anything had happened.

    The Red Sox, on the other hand, were about to bring in a new employee and were therefore running a background check during which they discovered the incident.

    Why the Red Sox did not tell the Reds or MLB, I don’t know. Or maybe they did but because there were no charges or arrests made there wasn’t a need to release the news to the public?

    • ohiojimw

      The BoSox didn’t really need to tell the Reds. All they needed do was advise the league enforcement office. If such referrals aren’t confidential then shame on MLB for that part.

  22. big5ed

    1. Chapman has had other incidents with women, including some strange story I believe in Pittsburgh with an unidentified woman. Let’s face it: Chapman has a $100 million arm and a 78 cent head. Some of that could be explained by his coming from nothing in Cuba and being thrown into an entirely different culture in the U.S., with little guidance. But this is why I believe that it to be folly to assume that Chapman would translate to a starter. If he had Johnny Cueto’s makeup, he could be a great starter, but he doesn’t.

    2. Chapman’s issues are not lost on the rest of MLB, nor were they last summer. Not knowing, or really having any idea, what the Reds were offered for Chapman last summer, how can we really criticize Jocketty (and I am no Jocketty fan) for not pulling the trigger on a trade?

    3. Who knows what actually happened here, but he does not appear to have hurt the woman, which he was certainly physically capable of doing.

      • gaffer

        Agree with all except that Walt should not have traded him last year. No matter WHAT was offered, it will be the best we will ever get now.

  23. bearcatnation

    This franchise is a mess. I wonder what it’s like to root for a franchise that actually knows how to run their organization?

    • gaffer

      Yep, just posted that too above. NOW THAT COULD SOLVE THINGS!

      • BMBLUE

        And assume the previous year salary?

  24. B-town Fan

    Here’s another thing to think about. It was just mentioned on MLB network that if Chapman is suspended and misses service time he He will not be a free agent after the 2016 season.

  25. Brian

    would help with trade value a little bit for his FA to be delayed a year, but doubt it would help much given his tendencies. I honestly went from a chapman fan to someone I would prefer not be on my favorite team regardless of rebuilding, going for it, etc.. I don’t want any perception that the reds are how the bengals used to be or the dallas cowboys are now with the greg hardy signing/situation.

    • Okla red

      given his history strange this latest dumb/irresponsible act would change your opinion so drastically. He is what he always has been extremely talented with decision making challenges.

  26. RedAlert

    Jocketty/Willaims just need to pack their bags and go on back home – Reds won’t do any other business at the winter meetings. Par for the course !!! Out all their eggs into basket on trading Chapman – per judge Smails, “YOU’LL GET NOTHING AND LIKE IT !”

  27. Chuck Schick

    I doubt that the Red Sox had any obligation to report their findings. No arrests were made…no charges were filed. From their perspective, it’s a character red flag. It isn’t the job of the Red Sox to help the Reds or to report things that are part of a public record.

    Given the strength of the players union, I doubt any disciplinary action will occur unless charges are filed. The NFL has far broader powers than MLB when it comes to “character” issues that aren’t adjudicated.

    • ohiojimw

      The RedSox responsibility flows out of the MLB domestic violence policy. They are an MLB team. They found credible information that an MLB player might be in violation of that policy. If any league policy is to be worth the paper it is written on then they are compelled to report what they know to the appropriate MLB offices.

      • CP

        I just read the policy: there is no compulsion for other teams to report player misconduct.

      • ohiojimw

        If there is not already a provision in MLB bylaws that by inference would require teams to report such knowledge to the league, they need to address that situation if they want policies such as the domestic violence policy and drug abuse policies to be taken seriously.

        This would be a good question for someone to ask Rob Manfred.

  28. Brian

    from Buster Olney (interesting):
    ‏@Buster_ESPN
    ICYMI: MLB has left question of whether to proceed with the Chapman trade in hands of CIN/LAD. The Dodgers are undecided about what to do.

    • TR

      I hope the Cincinnati Reds are in the decided column about what they want to do.