The Reds (55-79) may get swept by the Brewers. That sentence isn’t as surprising as it was a couple of months ago because the Reds have now proven they are definitively worse than the Brewers, but still, it hurts to realize you’re in the cellar. As for #DraftWatch, the Reds and Marlins are now tied at 3.0 games above the Phillies and 2.0 above the Braves, but the Reds sit below the Marlins at .410 because they have played two less games. The Rockies currently sit a half game above the Reds.

All stats are 2015 actuals:

Jimmy Nelson 3.70 3.97 0.87 8.7% 20.6%
Michael Lorenzen 5.66 5.75 1.51 12.5% 16.2%

After his nearly three-week long vacation in Louisville, Michael Lorenzen returned to the Reds last week only to get hammered by the Cubs. Lorenzen seemed to have things figured out down on the farm–he was 2-1 with a 1.13 ERA–but none of it translated to the Major League setting as he was run after 4.2 innings, giving up five runs on six hits with five strikeouts in the process. Lorenzen hasn’t had a decent start since July 7 against the Marlins, and even that outing was marred by four walks allowed.

Jimmy Nelson has had an up and down year for the Brewers, and nowhere is that reflected better than in his three starts against the Reds. In his first, Nelson threw an 8.0 innings gem, allowing one run on three hits. His very next time out was also against the Reds, but in that one, he was chased after 2.1 innings having already surrendered seven runs. Finally in August, Nelson took the win in a game where he lasted 5.2 innings and yielded three runs. Currently, Nelson is coming off of a nice 7.0 inning, one-run start, but had an eight walk disaster start before that so who knows where his head is at.

Ramon Cabrera gets his first Major League start in today’s Reds’ lineup:

1. Jason Bourgeois (R) CF
2. Todd Frazier (R) 3B
3. Joey Votto (L) 1B
4. Brandon Phillips (R) 2B
5. Jay Bruce (L) RF
6. Ivan De Jesus (R) LF
7. Eugenio Suarez (R) SS
8. Ramon Cabrera (S) C
9. Michael Lorenzen (R) P

The Brewers’ lineup:

  1. Scooter Gennett 2B
  2. Jonathan Lucroy C
  3. Ryan Braun RF
  4. Adam Lind 1B
  5. Khris Davis LF
  6. Shane Peterson CF
  7. Jean Segura SS
  8. Elian Herrera 3B
  9. Jimmy Nelson P


Losing isn’t fun. It’s worse when it doesn’t seem like you’re playing for anything. Maybe if some young guys were getting playing time, the next month would be bearable. But the fans don’t want to see that. They pay to see the experienced regulars. If only we had Bartolo Colon.


66 Responses

    • Shchi Cossack

      Baby steps…as long as Schumaker is NOT in LF (or CF or 2B), it’s a move in the right direction. We can’t expect too much from Price.

      • vegastypo

        Don’t worry, Cossack, I expect so little from Price that he can’t further disappoint me.

  1. wizeman

    hoping lorenzen pitches like he did before getting hit on the hand. went out next inning after getting hit and struggled. might or not might not be the case but truthfully… it might have been important to your story.
    we are all frustrated here… but you could have at least acted like you saw the game or read anything about what happened. just saying.

    • Shchi Cossack

      Wow, that was a bit and needlessly chippy.

      • Shchi Cossack

        Everyone is kinda on edge as a very frustrating season winds down.

      • Ben

        It’s a good point and worth mentioning, but yes a more civil tone would be nice.

    • tct

      It’s the old marketing strategy of “people love free stuff, so let’s give away something that no one would buy to get them in the door, and then maybe they will actually buy something good.”

      Anyone who buys books on Amazon knows this strategy well. They always have a daily deal on a book for 0.99 cents or less, but usually it’s some woman’s fantasy with a shirtless male model wearing a cowboy hat and a title like “Lasso my Heart.” (Not to be confused with the true story of the 2014 Reds entitled “Lasso my Clubhouse Attendant”, with a shirtless Homer Bailey on the cover.)

  2. pinson343

    Frazier’s trying to steal in the 3rd was an exceptionally stupid time to run, with the way Votto and BP have been hitting, Nelson off to a shaky start, and only 1 out. Ans a good chance of course that Votto advances him with a walk anyway.

    That cost the Reds a run. If the pattern of the whole season holds, that run will come back to haunt. Yet another thing I don’t like about the Reds under Price – always trying to run, even when the risk isn’t worth it.

    • pinson343

      Actually, Frazier’s getting caught stealing may have cost the Reds more than a run, with the Reds later loading the bases. Just a very bad time to give away an out.

  3. John Ring

    Agreed. There’s a big difference in being aggressive or reckless. This season is a nightmare. WJ is not blameless for sure, but Price is wearing me out. I’ve given up on him.

  4. pinson343

    A 4 run lead against the Brewers has meant nothing. For a 3 run lead to hold up, the Reds need to play better than they have.

  5. jamesgarrett

    My first thought on Frazier’s attempt was WHY? No way they pitch to Joey now even if he makes it.You have to think and the Reds don’t think.This is a direct reflection on Price.I too have given up on Price.Nobody can be this clueless and if Frazier went on his own then bench him because he is clueless as well.

  6. DavidTurner49

    Last start Lorenzen’s velocity and K’s were up and walks down. Then the HBP and the meltdown. Today only 2 K’s and 1 walk. Is his control/command improved since the AAA stint or are we just holding our collective breath until the next meltdown?

  7. RedAlert

    Tell you what,I keep Brandon Phillips and let Suarez play SS next year . I have no problem with Brandons’s bat or glove – realize he doesn’t have same power as in previous years , but he’s also not gonna hurt this team being on this roster. Seems to me that he has had a pretty nice year overall. Also, don’t think Cozart will ever come close to Suarez with the bat.

    • RedAlert

      And no sooner than I type this , Eugenio “the rake” Suarez lines another hit

    • pinson343

      I like BP and he has had a good year. Which is why now is the time to trade him.

    • Chuck Schick

      They really have no choice but to keep Phillips. The Reds would need to eat most of his salary in a trade so that defeats the purpose of moving him.

      • pinson343

        I’ll address that in the recap !

  8. RedAlert

    Lorenzen 95-96 but no movement – straight as an arrow

    • DavidTurner49

      Not watching the game- are these seeing eye singles or are they hitting him hard?

      • RedAlert

        Kinda of a mix – I haven’t been watching the entire game either though

      • pinson343

        Yes it was a mix. Lucroy and Davis hit the ball hard. Braun a ground single off the fists, Pederson a bloop. The only obvious mistake was a bad pitch, up and inside, to Davis, just where he likes it.

  9. pinson343

    Nice job by Sam. And I’m glad that Price took out Lorenzon while the Reds still led.

  10. RedAlert

    Ok – time for a Brewer to get one in the back !

  11. msanmoore

    Yeah, that Votto kid can hit a little.

  12. RedAlert

    Vottomatic ! Amazing – dude is a batting clinic

    • RedAlert

      Joey has CLEARLY restored his elite status

      • RedAlert

        Not that it was ever gone for very long anyway

      • Tom Reed

        But has it been verified by the ‘All Knowing One’?

  13. Jeff Morris

    I don’t know what the heck is going on with Cueto in KC. He gives up 5 runs today. He probably is not adjusting well to the american league hitters. He needs to get it fixed before the playoffs though!

      • pinson343

        That’s his 4th straight bad start, I think. Can’t recall that long a slump when he was with the Reds. I wonder of the elbow is barking.

    • pinson343

      Yeh I really don’t want to see Cueto tank in the playoffs.

    • Tom Reed

      If not, the KC fans are not going to feel good about the Red’s haul.

  14. pinson343

    Mattheus has good stuff. If someone would screw his head on right, he’d be an asset.

  15. pinson343

    LeMarre as defensive replacement, I like that.

  16. RedAlert

    HomerunHoover has returned to Cincinnati – JJ has sucked the 2nd half

  17. jamesgarrett

    I am not watching but is Hoover just grooving them down the middle?

    • pinson343

      No. He got behind 2-0 on Braun , who has then looking for a breaking pitch on the outside corner, which he got. Lind almost hit it out. Hoover’s just not fooling anyone right now (except Davis with 2 strikes).

  18. pinson343

    Hoover gets it together and becomes “warning track power” Hoover.

  19. pinson343

    Awful AB by Frazier. Cabrera, LaMarre, and Bourgeiois all looked better.

    • vegastypo

      It looks sometimes like he just wants to avoid striking out, rather than looking for a good pitch.

      • pinson343

        He was clearly anxious, swinging at a first pitch breaking pitch that wasn’t even close to being a strike. No one else was fooled by a breaking pitch from Goforth.

  20. jamesgarrett

    Two walks,two hits,1error and 1 run.Our season in a nutshell.

  21. pinson343

    Only 1 run there, against an inexperienced pitcher who didn’t have it, was pathetic.

    • vegastypo

      AGainst the last batter, he threw a beauty of a change-up. I believe it was strike 2 in the at-bat. I wonder why he doesn’t use that pitch more often.

      • Shchi Cossack

        Because he doesn’t pitch that often…