Hi, Reds fans. That game was long. Really long. And the Reds were going to win and then they didn’t and even though I’ve officially stopped caring about wins and losses it was the freaking Cardinals and who wants to lose to the freaking Cardinals like that? Not me. No, sir. Not me.

So, the offense just kind of didn’t get it done, but the pitching was solid except for when Holmberg lost it.

Certainly, we have to say something about the work turned in by Chapman and Diaz, who together pitched 3 innings and struck out 8 with only 2 walks.

I’m a little tempted to drop a Milton here, but the Cardinals are actually good and stuff, so really, losing to them in 13 innings bears no shame. It’s just crappy.

Better luck tomorrow, kids.

Nighty-night.

Cardinals 4 Reds 3  |  Box Score  | Win Probability Graphs

34 Responses

  1. Wallyum

    Maybe Todd and Billy should switch bats.

    • Redsfan48

      All Frazier needs is a HR or 2 to get his confidence back I think, he will be fine in the end. As for Billy, he definitely still needs some work.

  2. Vicferrari

    Cards are just opportunistic and play well together. Had 4 hits off Reds BP in 8 innings and 3 resulted in runs. I complained a lot of bullpen management during the games but I doubt much would have mattered. Some might argue pitch Chapman in the 8th, but why not last night in similar situation? Not sure why Badenhop and his sub 2.00 ERA since April did not go out for a 2nd inning, plus saw no reason to burn Matheus for 2 outs.
    Just a shame Holmberg pitches 1 hit shutout through 5 on 70 pitches and then gives away free passes, while Martinez was allowing all sorts of base runners in his 5.

    • Vicferrari

      That is probably the things I would have done differently, I commented during the game it did not make sense to bring Matheus in the 7th to face one righty then Wong. Could have used Badenhop in the 13th then followed up with Mathues for 14th and 15th. I figured that gives them a better chance to win than with either AAAA pitcher remaining, but Cards just win in the 16th most likely.
      Maybe all his bullpen guys are available tomorrow when Lorenzen leaves with 1-0 after 5 innings.

      • Tom Gray

        The STL P is going for 13th W. Lorenzen has 8+ ERA in his last 4 starts.

        So they Reds SHOULD win anyway.

    • VaRedsFan

      Vic…Bhop’s ERA looks good, but he routinely allows inherited runners to score making it a little deceiving. 24 inherited runners, 11 have scored 46%.. Not good

      • Tom Gray

        Regardless he is pitching MUCH better since May 1 than he was in April.

        Lately, he is good 4th or 5th guy in bullpen after Chapman, Hoover, and Diaz (maybe Mattheus).

  3. Tom Gray

    You can’t argue with results. Price’s RP strategy got the Reds 76-86 last year and 48-57 (so far) this year.

    Tongue in cheek, obviously. Price has no clue how to be MLB (or any other kind of) manager.

    • Vicferrari

      Question I indirectly asked below. What would you have done differently Wednesday? And then my follow up, why not do the same decision Tuesday night?

      • Tom Gray

        STL didn’t seem to mind pitching their two sub 2.00 ERA relievers more than 1 inning tonight.

        If Parra is your LOOGY why use him in the 5th inning?

        Hoover always pitches the 8th. Chapman always pitches the 9th. Try something different.

        Specifically, NEVER put Axelrod into a 13 inning game.

      • Vicferrari

        Keep in my mind I am not advocating Price should continue as manager but he is limited and it seems unrealistic to expect your bullpen to get 8 shutout innings. I think it is a product of poorer quality players and just overall guys that do not have it. I feel it Would not matter what Price did, but I am not sure I get your arguments?
        Are you saying Parra was a bad choice in the 6th? or are you saying he should have went 2 innings instead 1.1?
        Are you saying do not pitch Hoover then Chapman just for the sake of mixing it up? To me I have seen lots of guys blow the 8th and Hoover probably gives them the best chance despite the recent failures.
        Are you saying Villareal would have been the better choice than Axelrod- which might be a good argument but I just find saying not doing what did not work as petty, especially if there is no sound alternatives.

      • Tom Gray

        Axelrod should not have been in 13 inning game except as pinch runner. Villarreal surely a better choice to P. Even Schumaker has better career ERA (I think).

        If Parra is your only LHP in bullpen, save him for situation where LHP is needed.

        Bring Chapman in the 8th to face the LH batter(s) then P the 9th.

    • Tom Gray

      The manager assigns the right player(s) to do the job. Axelrod has 19+ ERA. What are the chances he would do the job needed in the 13th inning against team with best W-L record in MLB?

    • Michael

      No one was asking the bullpen to give us 8 shut out innings. If they would have done their job, it would have only been 4 shut out innings for the win. It is not too much to ask a 7 or 8 man bullpen to give you 4 shut out innings. The offense stopped producing, but the bullpen is to blame for this loss.

  4. Vicferrari

    Sounds like a great place for Cingrani is he done for the year?, have not heard much since he got rocked up in AAA start after disaster against Cubs

    • lost11found

      At least its not the throwing shoulder this time… how’d he hurt it? any one know?

  5. Jeff Morris

    Not sure what the heck is going on with Frazier??

      • VaRedsFan

        He’s had 2 since the AS game, not counting the days when the whole team didn’t play.

  6. Coldheartedfacts

    Unfortunately last year Frazier also hit horrible after the all star break. Last year thanks to Votto’s injured absence, Bruce’s injury related performance, and the extreme decline of Billy Hamilton’s and Todd Frazier’s hitting, the Reds cratered in the second half.

    Frazier appears to chase bad pitches more often and shows less patience at the plate. Perhaps the all star game was the worst thing that could have happened for the rest of his 2015 season.

  7. Steve Checkosky

    The Recaps are getting skimpier. Comments provide much more information.

  8. [email protected]

    I would have left Parra in longer. I think he shattered 2 bats and was a constant 94

    As far as Carpebter is concerned, I would not have pitched to him if I am Hoover or if a manger is trying to win, I would have brought Chapman in to face him and take the series right there.

    Chapman won’t pitch today because it is the third day in a row

    • VaRedsFan

      Agree about Parra…Only had a righty (Piscotty) then another lefty. (Wong i think).
      I’d rather have the Parra/Wong matchup.

      Chappy can do 3 days in row, but usually not 4. So he’s good to go today. not that they’ll need him because they face Wacha today.

    • Big56dog

      Chapman has thrown 27 pitches in the last 5 days- he is available. He probably through more warming up for an extra inning game in Chicago that he never got in than he did the previous 2 nights

  9. IndyRedMan

    Same old…same old:( I’m not sure how you can blame this one on Price exactly? I just fast-forwarded thru most of it but I saw multiple Reds hacking away on 2-0 pitches against Martinez when he was all over the place to begin with….he walked Holmberg after all? Nothing new there with our obp hating offense! BP was hacking on 3-0 the other day nobody in scoring position. I think I could get Frazier and Hamilton out right now. Why not give them a few days off? DeJesus has been playing pretty well and Duvall has 2 HRs at Lville already? We need to quit challenging the hot hitters too….when we don’t need to. Hoover to Carpenter last night….Lorenzen to McCutcheon the other day too? Oh well….not like it matters at this point

  10. tgarretson82

    I’ve always thought there was so much contrast over the last couple years with the Cards managers use of Rosenthal’s use of over 1 inning appearances very very willingly to win games vs the Reds managers use of Chapman.

  11. jamesgarret

    We only had 7 hits for the game and 4 guys had those.Only 1 hit after the fifth inning.We were lucky it went as long as it did.Hoover missed location by a mile and Carpenter hit 95 out of the park.Axelrod left an 80mph pitch up in the zone and we know the result.Games happen like this but we had this game for the taking and let it get away.We hung on Tuesday and just couldn’t get it done last night.

  12. Westwood Eagle

    Can’t really blame the bullpen for this one when the offense chokes after the 4th inning. Blew too many chances on some poor at bats.

    • DavidTurner49

      It makes no sense for Hoover (lately struggling with lefties) to face three of them in the 8th. Bring in Chapman for that. Let him stay in for the ninth or use Hoover then against lesser hitters. So what if Hoover not Chapman gets the save if the Reds win.