For the first time since I don’t know when (2011), the Cincinnati Reds won the majority of a series of professional baseball games against the St. Louis Cardinals in front of The Best Fans in Baseball.â„¢ They won back-to-back games in St. Louis for the first time in five years. That’s back-to-back shutouts, too, for the first time since FDR’s second administration. One stinkin’ pitch away from a three-game shutout sweep.

Enjoy it, Redleg Nation.

Reds 1  Cardinals 0 | FanGraphs | The Trammps (Disco Inferno)

A little more than seven months ago, the Reds traded Mat Latos to Miami for Anthony DeSclafani and catcher Chad Wallach. Latos made 16 starts for the Marlins and as you read this is in the process of being traded to the Los Angeles Dodgers (creating the possibility of Latos facing Johnny Cueto in the World Series). DeSclafani (25) turned in one of his best starts of the season tonight, shutting out the Cardinals on three hits and three walks over seven innings. DeSclafani struck out three and retired 10 of the last 12 batters he faced.

Jay Bruce accounted for the Reds only run tonight, with his 17th home run this year. It was his #199 playing for the Reds, which moves Bruce to #8 all-time for the club. It’s the third game-winning home run for Bruce in the past three weeks. The Reds beat Marlins 1-0 on a Bruce solo-shot on July 10. The other was on July 20 in a 5-4 win over the Cubs.

J.J. Hoover and Aroldis Chapman pitched two innings of shutout relief.

John Lamb pitched for the Louisville Bats tonight. Lamb was one of the pitchers the Reds received from the Kansas City Royals in the Johnny Cueto trade (Kevin Michell breakdown on Lamb). Lamb struggled in the first inning, giving up 3 earned runs on 3 hits. He settled down and finished giving up just those three runs. He struck out 8 and walked 3.

Joey Votto’s streak of getting on base at least twice was snapped at 15 games. NLE. Votto made an outstanding defensive play at first base to get the first out of the ninth inning.

117 Responses

  1. msanmoore

    Fast recap. Good thing we finished it off. Love the way this one feels.

  2. Nick Carrington

    At this point, I’ll be really sad if the Reds trade Bruce. I’ll understand it, but I’ll be really sad. I don’t believe he has ever looked this good for this long. Strikeout rate continues to plummet. Now at 21.7% when it was over 27% last year. He may be realizing all that potential right before our eyes. If he does, I’d hate to see it happen in another uniform.

    • B-town Fan

      He’s not going to be traded unless some blows the Reds away with an offer. Also the Mets just traded for Gomez from the Brewers so they’re out.

      • vegastypo

        That’s the thing: The better he looks, the more he should fetch in a trade. So unless Walt and Co. under-value him, it should be good news either way.

      • Hotto4Votto

        not so fast….looks like that deal fell apart.

      • B-town Fan

        Sorry I’m wrong the Gomez trade has been canceled.

    • Tom Gray

      Gotta be done before 2017. Not necessarily summer 2015.

      Bruce will get a BIG $$$ contract beyond Reds means.

      • charlottencredsfan

        Not sure about this. It’s not all about dollar value but length. I’m going to stay optimistic.

      • Evan armstrong

        Until I see the books I don’t buy for one minute that the Reds couldn’t afford him.

      • charlottencredsfan

        Never going to happen – Bob has the money, the question is how much of it will he spend?

      • Chuck Schick

        Do you think the Reds have some secret stash of treasure buried under 2nd base? They are marginally profitable and reinvest all their profits back into the team. My guess would be the Votto signing was tied to the expectation that their local cable revenue would increase tremendously after 2016…..and that isn’t going to happen. The huge local cable deals signed 1-3 years ago are blowing up and the Reds will likely see little increase in cable revenue.

      • Nick Carrington

        Cardinals just announced a $1 billion cable deal. Reds unlikely to get that much, but it seems they will likely get a much bigger deal than they currently have.

    • charlottencredsfan

      1 K in 21 PAs. Is that what the mean by seeing the ball well?

      • Chuck Schick

        The most recent estimate I saw indicated the Reds cable revenue was around 30 million per year. The new Cardinals deal averages 66 million. The St. Louis market is roughly 30% larger than Cincinnati. The Reds are likely to average somewhere around 45 million per year…so an increase of 15 million, which would increase payroll modestly.

    • greenmtred

      I’ll be sad if they trade him, too, but I won’t understand it. He’s good, he’s evidently getting better, he’s relatively cheap and seemingly wants to play for the Reds. Mike Trout straight up would change my mind, I guess.

      • JB WV

        He’s more than a year removed from his knee surgery and back close to full strength. Plate discipline definitely improved. Best years ahead.

  3. Tom Reed

    A big series win in St. Loo. Well done DeSclafani, Bruce, Hoover and Chappie.

  4. vared

    This series makes that Cards record a head scratcher for me. Not sure how they accumulated all those wins (okay – pitching) but they may be fool’s gold going into the postseason.

    • Vicferrari

      This is just one of those flukes, caught Cards when they were not fired up. When you are nearly 30 games over .500 in July you can let up. If there was one time the Reds did not need a series win in St. Louis this decade it probably was this one.
      I will take it, but without Votto being incredibly hot and Leake,and Disco pitching arguably the best starts of their careers this is another series loss, possibly sweep.

      • Vicferrari

        My point is that it is just a fluke of baseball, even if Wong makes an out I still think the Cards had a pretty good shot at winning only being down 1-0 and how many teams win a game with only 2 hits in ML history?
        Not going to win too many series with batting like this- but once a decade it will happen-especially if you career starts from your pitchers

      • pinson343

        What makes it a fluke ? The Cardinals lineup is anemic. Just look at their stats. No reason to say that was one of the best starts in Leake’s career.

      • charlottencredsfan

        Maybe we just outplayed them? Is it possible?

    • jdx19

      Unlukcy balls in play for 2 shut-out games. This is why teams rarely win over 100 games. Even the absolute best teams are going to lose 35% of the time.

      Any time a pitcher throws a shut out and doesn’t strike out many guys, he was benefiting from batted ball luck.

      We just caught the Cards at the right time.

    • jessecuster44

      Son, we just got whipped in two straight.

      • doctor

        “…uhhhh, son, dont you know zeroes are GOOD. yeah, thats it…..” LOL

  5. Carl Sayre

    Desclafani looked sharp tonight Iglesais had a bad inning in his start. These kids will still have some growing pains but we have some real good looking arms going forward. I don’t know if Winker is some of the answer for the future or not but we may be on track to make a serious run in 17. When Bruce and JV and Frazier are on and a return of a healthy Mes. We still need an answer in LF and either Hamilton to pull his head out or aquire a lead off hitter. The haul for Cueto looks like at least we shore up a poor Bullpen so yes things are looking better as we go forward.

  6. JMO

    IMO, Bruce and Chapman should NOT be traded, period. Let their contracts play out. Both in their baseball prime. Keep both and enjoy both. I’d even extend Leake.

    Just imagine if Walt brought in JD Martinez on a minor league deal 2 years ago, wow. Our lineup would be set for years and years to come.

    • charlottencredsfan

      A portion of the monies saved with trading Chapman should be applied to extending Jay Bruce and fortifying the hitting. Reds should gamble that they possess the pitching or very nearly so;just going to take some time to mature.

    • Chuck Schick

      Why would you let their contracts play out when you could parlay their inflated value? A great closer on a bad team is like a Ferrari in a trailer park and 2 months ago Jay Bruce was the devil.

      • charlottencredsfan

        Two months ago it wasn’t certain Jay had recovered from his knee injury. Now he looks like 2013 Jay Bruce and probably even better. Context.

      • jdx19

        I get what you’re saying, but it was evident that he’d recovered based on his peripherals. 🙂

      • greenmtred

        I’ll be sad if they trade him, too, but I won’t understand it. He’s good, he’s evidently getting better, he’s relatively cheap and seemingly wants to play for the Reds. Mike Trout straight up would change my mind, I guess.

      • greenmtred

        Why inflated? They are both good and likely to be good for some years to come. It’s very unlikely that the Reds would get anyone in return who is as good. The Reds have a poor season going, and a number of identifiable weaknesses, but they also have a strong core and the clear possibility of being competitive in the near future. Trading strength doesn’t often make you stronger. As for the Ferrari, I’ll avoid the cultural commentary, but suggest that a different manager might use Chapman differently. I’ll also point out that the constant littany of “closers are over-rated” is an oversimplification: A team is clearly better off with good pitching in the ninth than it would be with indifferent pitching in the ninth. Some(much) of the basis for the closer-is-wasted stuff is based upon cost. Well, cost isn’t really our concern, is it? It’s the owner’s concern, and I don’t expect that we know what his limits are.

      • brmreturns

        Reds likely won’t be contending in 2016, Chappy’s final year before FA. He’s 3rd year arb eligible, and likely to receive $10-$12MM. Why would/should the Reds pay that kind of money for reliever who has historically only been average to slightly above average when it comes to save conversion rate? It especially doesn’t make sense on a team that will likely only have 45ish save opportunities.

        I believe they should keep Bruce due to his friendly contract and re-evaluate in July NEXT year, if necessary. However, there are multiple reports that they are looking to move more salary. The most logical would be Bruce, Chappy, and Byrd.

        However, while it would be hugely unpopular with the fans, moving Frazier would net them a king’s ransom…… that forward thinking is out of the realm of the dinosaurs roaming the Reds front office.

      • Chuck Schick

        Inflated in the sense that their current market values may be higher than their tangible worth. Bruce is a good to slightly above good player. Is he a difference maker on a good team? I believe he is…..Is he someone a re-building team can use as a cornerstone?…..I believe he is not. If the Reds could garner a cheaper, “potentially” equal or better long term replacement then I believe he should be moved.

        I agree that a team is better with good pitching in the 9th than indifferent pitching…..the same would be said for innings 1-8 as well. An average closer will convert save opportunities at about the same rate as Chapman at a much lower cost. For the most part, you just need a guy to give up fewer than 2 runs in 1 inning to “save” the game. A bad team doesn’t need a great closer. Does it really matter if you win 77 games with Chapman as the closer vs 75 games with someone else?

        The Reds were built to win in 2012. From a payroll and age perspective that was their year. Things didn’t work out and now its time to rebuild if winning championships is the objective. If being good enough to draw 2 million is the objective then keep Bruce and Chapman.

  7. hof13

    I heard on radio there is talk of trying Suarez in left next spring.

    • Vicferrari

      Would be interesting if he could be a platoon type player, spot starts at 2B/SS to give a rest as Cozart as he recuperates from his injury and BP as he continues to age- while splitting time with another role player in LF

      • Nick Carrington

        It would be nicer if they could trade either Cozart (unlikely because of the injury) or Phillips (unlikely because of his no-trade clause and salary).

      • Tom Gray

        Neither would bring much back in return. Both have GG potential as SS or 2B. Both are decent hitters with some (not much) power.

        Suarez is a good hitter with decent power and iffy fielder at SS. He has more trade value.

      • Nick Carrington

        Suarez is 23 and the Reds have control of him for a while. Phillips and Cozart are more expensive with less control. Phillips has zero power. Slugging .355 with a .081 ISO. Suarez is the obvious keeper.

        I’d love to see the Yankees bite on a Phillips/Chapman package, but I doubt they do. The Yankees second base situation is atrocious, so Phillips would be a definite upgrade.

      • ohiojimw

        On the TV feed tonight they were showing that Blando has really jumped up the prospect lists which complicates the situation even more.

        I saw where Cozart’s recovery time was projected at 9 months which puts him well into spring training still in rehab mode. All of the comments about the knee have been how wrecked it was when they got in there to fix it; so, there would seem to be little reason to be optimistic for him to be ahead of schedule in recovering.

        In addition to the injury issues, Cozart has the same looming age issue (and being a bit behind the curve) as Frazier in terms of retaining him into his FA years. I think the sum effect makes him odd man out sooner rather than later especially given the complications of moving BP.

      • Vicferrari

        I think the one thing Suarez would give them is depth which they lose once they trade Cozart or BP…despite Suarez’s shortcomings on D he becomes more valuable the more positions he can legitimately play

      • charlottencredsfan

        BP is as good as he is going to get. Is it good enough? At some point, it’s bench or trade. Suarez is a gold nugget – hold him.

  8. kmartin

    I did not see the game tonight but just watched the replay of the bottom of the ninth. What Chapman did to Molina was beautiful. The slider at 86 for a swinging strike one and the swinging strike three at 102 were truly insanely unhittable pitches. Please let this man pitch more innings.

    • ohiojimw

      I’d never seen Molina look so openly confused as he did after he had fouled off the 100+MPH fastball after going down 1-2 on three straight sliders. On the final pitch, I think he actually had decided to play it backwards by sitting on the slider and hoping he could spoil the fastball if it came. So much for that plan.

      • kmartin

        An interesting hypothesis. This could well be the case. Last night Molina made the last out on a weak ground ball when Chapman threw him an 87 MPH changeup. Tonight, two of the strikes were off-speed pitches below 90 MPH. Molina may actually have been sitting on an off-speed pitch only to see a 102 MPH fastball break in on his fists. This is exactly why I think it is important for Chapman to throw off-speed pitches even on nights when he can exceed 100. At the minimum Molina did not know what was coming.

      • ohiojimw

        Agreed. RH batters had been starting to wear him out a bit but tonight he took down two good ones, Peralta and Molina, with no issues.

      • pinson343

        Yep. The difference between Chapman this year and last year is that he’s relied too much on his fastball this year. But I’m sure he didn’t like losing to the Cubs by giving up 3 straight hits, so he’s adjusted.

        A similar thing happened in 2014. He gave up 3 rockets in a row to some team in May or so and his next outing he took his slider and change up out of the closet.

      • kmartin

        Yes, last year he threw fastballs 68.8% of the time. This year it is 78.1%.

    • Tom Gray

      If Chapman closed for a team that gets close to 95 or 100 W, he might get close to 50 saves.

      • Vicferrari

        Or if he played for a team that got a lead in the 9th 55 times in a season, like all the other players who have 50 saves on their resume

      • Tom Gray

        Much less likely to happen. The Reds suck and Chapman gets close to 40 saves.

        Put him on an elite team and 10 more saves should be available to him.

      • Vicferrari

        I think you are missing my points, saves are about opportunity as most closers convert something like 90 to 95%. KRod has got the record of 62 because he had 69 opportunities. Thigpen’s got 57 because he got 65 chances..
        If Chapman got 60 chances he mostly has 54 to 57 saves.

      • pinson343

        In 2014-15 Chapman has exactly a 95% save rate, so make that 57 out of 60.

      • Tom Gray

        I didn’t mss yours. You missed mine. Another team (better than Reds) would give AC more save opportunities hence more saves,

  9. Tom Gray

    (Off topic) 3-team trade between LAD, ATL, and MIA as follows:

    Along with Mat Latos and Mike Morse, the Dodgers will get starter Alex Wood, relievers Jim Johnson and Luis Avilan, and top prospect Jose Peraza from the Braves.

    The Braves will get top Cuban infield prospect Hector Olivera and minor league pitcher Zack Bird from the Dodgers, and a compensation draft pick from the Marlins. Injured Dodgers reliever Paco Rodriguez is also going to the Braves.

    The Marlins will receive three minor league pitchers from the Dodgers: Jeff Brigham, Victor Araujo and Kevin Guzman.

  10. pinson343

    I don’t understand any statement about this series being a fluke. The Cardinal offense sucks. They’ve now scored only 7 more runs than the Reds in 2 more games, and the Reds will catch them soon unless the rosters change before the trade deadline.

    Holliday hurt again and doesn’t hit for power any more (slugging .420). Molina at .284/.320/.359. Carpenter in a slump for more than 2 months, now at 254/.358/.415.
    Their best hitter has been Grichuk, .888 OPS in 227 ABs.
    Among full time players, their best has been Peralta at .283/.340/.454, and he’s 33 and is out-performing his career numbers (for now).
    Heyward at .280/.336/.425, I like our RFer better.

    I know their record but they can’t sustain winning 2-1 and 1-0 games. Cardinal fans are on talk radio cussing out Mozeliak for not having traded for a hitter yet.

    • sultanofswaff

      Agreed. It’s the same folks who were lambasting the Reds for getting beat by the Phillies a while back.

      I warned my Cardinals fan coworker that the true test of their team would come in the dog days when these older guys start to wear down. It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if the Pirates caught them or at least made things very interesting.

      • greenmtred

        umm, last time I checked, the Cards had the best record in mlb, and they haven’t hit impressively all season. Maybe pitching does trump hitting? They just lost two out of three to a flawed team with some excellent players. They didn’t lose 8 or 10 in a row. I’d wait awhile before writing post-mortems.

    • jdx19

      It’s a “fluke” because of batted ball variability. If two balls drops for key doubles for the Cards tonight instead of being caught or fielded, they win 2-1.

      Every game has an expected run value based on how the hitters strike the ball. The Reds very well could have scored 3 tonight without doing anything different. Slightly change the angle of a few balls and you get more runs.

      The Cards are a better baseball team, so you need “flukes” to win.

      I put “flukes” in quotes because, much like when discussing “luck,” we’re all just talking about variance.

  11. pinson343

    Hoover threw a meatball to Carpenter and the Reds were fortunate that he only hit a double. Nearly Hoover’s 3rd consecutive blown save by way of a bad pitch to a LHed hitter. He threw one right down Broadway to Schwarber, then one in Cargo’s wheelhouse (low strike on the inside corner), and now a mistake to Carpenter. Ugh.

    He’s the right guy for the 8th inning, but don’t revert to last year please.

    • charlottencredsfan

      I’m guessing we have another closer in the system, we just don’t know his name yet. Keep Chapman’s name out there until the right deal comes around. He didn’t hurt his value tonight.

      • doctor

        right, any of the current crop of “future” starting pitchers who get bumped. Short term might be Cingrani/Hoover combo when/if Chapman gets traded. Might be Amir Garrett or Lorenzen or Nick Howard.(the last 2 college closers) post 2016.

      • ohiojimw

        It could well be Lorenzen what with the influx of the arms from KC; or, even Finnegan.

        With the dearth of legit prospect position players in the Reds system, some of these arms may get flipped for position players. I also think it would be interesting to have Lorensen play winter ball as a position player while he is resting his arm. But I doubt that will happen.

        All the guys covering the Reds comment every game that Lorensen just doesn’t look like a pitcher at the plate. What they got to lose by having a look at him as a position player? He is probably as good as an offensive player at the MLB level right now as the guy they have playing CF; and CF was Lorenzen’s position in college when he wasn’t closing games.

    • charlottencredsfan

      Speaking of Broadway, Yankees should be chasing Chapman with all they have. If that guy pitches in the Big Apple, oh my. Like to think George would have made it happen,

      The potential AC could make in endorsements could outweigh any salary he’ll ever see. He would be a household name within a couple of months.

      • jdx19

        George Steinbrenner or George Costanza?

    • ohiojimw

      Agree 100%. As I see it, Hoover lacks a reliable outpitch. If the batter is patient enough and good at spoiling pitches, there is a substanstial possibility Hoover will hang a breaking pitch or groove a batting practice quality fastball.

      As we said up the thread, even Chapman has to have and use something to keep them honest on the days when he isn’t throwing 102+; and of course Hoover never gets above where Chappie is on one of his slow days.

  12. RedsDownUnderer

    Decided to watch this one on delay (rather than check on the score during the workday–since I live in tomorrow on the other side of the international dateline), and was glad I did, of course. A very satisfying win given the recent history; even if the Cards offense is anemic, the shutout streak should be lauded. I’ve been ambivalent about Price as a manager, but the fact that they went into STL through the emotion and turmoil of the trade situations and played three hard-fought games should be applauded. The series may not “count” for either team in the long run, but both teams seemed to be playing like it mattered. And we won this round.

  13. RedsDownUnderer

    Also: the Brewers-Mets trade fiasco provides some perspective on the supposed Cueto fiasco.

    • lwblogger2

      Social media gets ahead of where the GMs really are in talks and it’s annoying as crap. Nothing is official until a GM makes an announcement that it is.

  14. Scot Lykins

    Wow. The Reds won the game with only two hits. A homer that Grichuk would have caught if he did not slip as he jumped and a bunt hit by Hamilton.

    • brmreturns

      I was having serious flashbacks to Edmonds being out there, and seemingly endlessly “robbing” homer after homer from the Reds. Glad one fell in … err over for the good guys.

      • Tom Gray

        Edmonds was BRIEFLY a Red in 2010. Way past his prime. Heckuva CF he was.

      • brmreturns

        yep, LOVED his play/approach…. dating back to his days with the Angels.

    • gaffer

      If he caught it, would we say that Bruce never hits when it matters? Existecial question for the day.

      • jazzmanbbfan

        Some people certainly would. I happen to be a fan of Bruce and wonder if early career expectations were set higher than he can reach. Overall I’m happy with his production and defense. If he gets traded I hope they get good value in return but I prefer that he stay here.

      • Nick Carrington

        Expectations are likely part of it. But Bruce is closer to reaching those expectations on offense than he has ever been. In his last 260 PA (62 games), Bruce has hit .306/.377/.563 with a 155 wRC+. Strikeout rate during that time is 18.1% While his career mark is 24.2%. That’s a long time of excellent production. Since mid May, Bruce has been one of the best hitters in the league.

        The rest of the season will be interesting. If he continues this pace, we may have to consider whether he is an improved hitter over his really 2010-2013 run.

    • jeffversion1

      I was surprised he didn’t catch it. I assumed he would catch it.

      Are we witnessing the decline of #cardinalsdevilmagic? Please let it be true!

  15. big5ed

    The Cardinals have apparently extended their local TV contract, beginning I believe in 2018, under terms that will pay them $30mm/year more than they presently get. ($1 billion over 15 years, plus an equity stake in the TV business.) While it helps the Cardinals, it is probably very good news for the Reds as they negotiate their renewal.

    While Cincy (#34) itself isn’t as big a TV market as St. Louis (#21), the Reds uniquely have access to other markets–Indianapolis (#25), Columbus (#32), Louisville (#50), Lexington (#63), Dayton (#64), and Charleston-Huntington (#65). St. Louis has maybe Memphis (#48), Little Rock (#56) and Springfield MO (#74), although the Cardinals clearly have a strong fan base.

    • brmreturns

      While Columbus is closest to Cincy (compared to CLE, PIT), it is actually part of Pirates television ‘market’ for baseball, as it relates to blackouts, etc. I found that extremely odd.

  16. jamesgarrett

    The asking price for Bruce and Chapman should be very very high.Both should bring more then what we got for Cueto.Chapman is the best at what he does and should get two or three above average prospects with one being elite.Bruce should get close to the same because of his turn around at the plate.He is now more then an all or nothing guy which has increased his value big time.He is only 28 and I believe his best years are ahead of him.

    • jdx19

      Chapman is the best at what he does, perhaps, but what he does is of middling value.

  17. Michael

    “The Reds ended a nine-series losing streak in St. Louis and have won consecutive games at Busch Stadium for the first time since July 6 and Sept. 2, 2011. It was the first time Cincinnati won consecutive games in the same series since June 2006.”

    I remember how those two seasons ended.

    • ohiojimw

      In 2006 the Reds basically quit on the season with about 10-days to 2 weeks to go only to have the Cards nearly play them back into it by losing 10- of their last 15.

      The clock finally struck midnight for the Reds on 27 Sept when they lost to drop 3.5 back which turned out to be their final deficit as they tanked 2 of 3 to the then lowly Pirates on the final weekend.

      Meanwhile the the ‘Stros pulled an inverse to the Cards and almost stole the division.

      And of course what you were referring to transpired. The RedBirds pulled themselves together and won the WS after winning the division at 83-78 (there was a rainout which was never made up because the ‘Stros were -1.5 games to the Birds after the end of play on the final Sunday)

  18. RedAlert

    Hello , hello …. Walt , you still awake ?????

    • RedAlert


    • ohiojimw

      Peña and Byrd will clear waivers and bring what little they will bring after the deadline as easily as now.

      They lose nothing by holding Chapman Bruce until the off season and may actually be in a better position to move them then.

      Leake is another matter. He seems to have fallen out of the rumor mill. Price, Gallardo, and Samardzija all look to be queued up ahead of Leake right now and Lato too if that megadeal doesn’t get done.

      It could well be the Reds end up holding Leake and making the QO to him for the draft pick or even resigning him.

      • lwblogger2

        I don’t know, someone might block one or the other by claiming them. You know, like the Reds did with Byrd back in 2013… Oh, wait…

      • ohiojimw

        If somebody blocks on Byrd all the Reds have to do is say yours to keep and put between $1m and 1.5m back into the kitty for next year.

        I wonder if post season PA’s count toward Byrd’s vesting option for 2016? If he got on a team that made a deep run into the playoffs and had played regularly, he might just make the option.

      • lwblogger2

        Right. I’d let a claiming team have him.

    • Jake

      He did his one trade for the year. Anything more than that sends him into hibernation

  19. Eric the Red

    I’d be very nervous if I were a Cards fan. Between aging veterans wearing down and bullpen overuse, the odds are the rest of their season will be worse than what they’ve done so far. And their starting pitching advantage won’t be so pronounced in the playoffs.

    Bottom line: that offense is not going to win the WS. They really need to get Lind, plus an outfield bat. I wonder if they’d be interested in Byrd.

    Speaking of Byrd, can anyone explain to me what he’s doing in LF in the 9th inning of a 1 run game? If Bourgeois isn’t a defensive upgrade, what’s he doing on the team?

    • jdx19

      Price doesn’t think about stuff like that, apparently. Or he figured he wants Marlon’s bat in extra innings in case the Cards tie it?

      • ohiojimw

        You just touched on one of my biggest gripes about Price. When he is explaining why he did or did not do things, it almost always comes through he is thinking more about covering situations that end up never coming to be than about grabbing the moment and sealing a win. Then inevitably when he does go all in, it is in the face of virtually certain odds against him.

      • Eric the Red

        Hmmm, I wonder where Price might have learned that approach to managing….

        The Byrd thing has been bugging me all season. I’m convinced–and unhappy–that they don’t keep him out there in case they need his bat later, but because they overestimate his defense. Of course, in the gap between Negron being sent down and Bourgeois rejoining the team, Byrd probably was the 3rd best defensive outfielder on the team. (Gotta love that Schumaker contract!)

  20. lwblogger2

    So Holliday gets hurt and is on the shelf and the 1B position has been an area of concern due to injury for the Cards. What do they do? They go out and get Moss. Not perfect by any stretch but an upgrade and augmentation for both those positions.

    • Eric the Red

      Moss is a very low OBP guy who can hit a homerun occasionally, and the Cards gave up their 2013 first round pick. If we were in this position and Walt made this move, everyone would be up in arms saying Moss isn’t the answer, we overpaid, and a competent GM would have picked up Lind and/or Cespedes.

      • lwblogger2

        Possibly. I know at least a few people would have.

  21. ohiojimw

    Frazier not starting tonight. Metz still looking for a “big bat”. Could there be a deal brewing. Sounds as credible as a lot of the supposedly informed stuff on Twitter. 🙂

    • lwblogger2

      Figures. I’ll be in CBTS Pavilion for this one and no Toddfather with Holmberg pitching. Sounds like it should be a gem… If it was Bruce sitting instead of Frazier I’d agree you may be onto something with having him out of the lineup but Frazier being off feels more like a day off. Of course, everyone was all “a Twitter” last night so you may as well start Tweeting!

      • RedAlert

        Looks like Walt’s taking today and tomorrow off also

  22. George Mirones

    Cardinals Acquire Brandon Moss [July 30, 2015 at 9:02am CDT]

    I guess two consecutive shutouts by the Reds caused some concern!!